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dhallftworth

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Pepper spray help...
« on: June 28, 2009, 01:51:30 PM »
I'm trying to get the girls in my life to carry pepper spray on them at all times. They wont carry it if it is bulky or ugly.... I really need to find some that comes in either pink or a decent looking black... The4y are kinda girly girls ages 18, 18, 21, and 28....

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Re: Pepper spray help...
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2009, 02:05:33 PM »
http://www.coldsteel.com/pepper-spray.html

how about this? yeah, probably not the big can ( although that would be awesome ) but the keychain, or the pen mace would work. the formula is great for stopping invaders.

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Re: Pepper spray help...
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2009, 04:23:53 PM »
You might want to check this out - http://www.peppersprayplus.com/pinkpepperspray.html .

I got mine to carry pepper spray, 6% OC. It's what I carried as LEO. I would not reccomend carrying anything less than 4%. And buy one for training purposes. I highly reccomend giving them a small "dose" as back splash is likely to occur if they have to deploy the spray against an assailant. It would be much better if they knew the effects of the spray beforehand. Just my .02 .

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Re: Pepper spray help...
« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2009, 04:52:29 PM »
Get them one of these, both 10%

a lipstick pepper sprayer-

http://www.pepper-spray-store.com/products/kiss-off.shtml

or a pretty key chain
http://www.pepper-spray-store.com/products/keychain-10.shtml

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Re: Pepper spray help...
« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2009, 05:16:26 PM »
You might want to check this out - http://www.peppersprayplus.com/pinkpepperspray.html .

I got mine to carry pepper spray, 6% OC. It's what I carried as LEO. I would not reccomend carrying anything less than 4%. And buy one for training purposes. I highly reccomend giving them a small "dose" as back splash is likely to occur if they have to deploy the spray against an assailant. It would be much better if they knew the effects of the spray beforehand. Just my .02 .

thats a great idea TysonC! a good way to do that is to like spray it at an angle off a mirror or something

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Re: Pepper spray help...
« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2009, 06:09:12 PM »
For anyone who hasn't used pepper spray, try it in an enclosed space. It's a bitch to anyone sprayed, but it also permeates a room. I walked into a hallway after a jackass sprayed a buddy of his, and my eyes became near useless. I think shooting is more humane.  ;D

But for those who choose it, how about his for ease of use.

http://www.bodysecurity.com/pepper-spray-ring.htm

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Re: Pepper spray help...
« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2009, 06:55:33 PM »
I carry Sabre Defense Pepper Spray and have given my wife one too.  http://www.sabrered.com/servlet/the-125/NBCF-PINK-Pepper-Spray/Detail

This particular model comes in a plethora of colors (black, tan, green, blue, yellow, pink, etc.).  I like the various colors because I can match them to my gear to help camo them.  I have a black one on my black, EDC laptop bag (Maxpedition Aggressor Tactical Attache), a green one on my green, range bag (Mountainsmith Tour Lumbar Pack), and plan to get a tan one for my tan Get Home Bag (Maxpedition Jumbo Versipack).

The selling point for this particular model is the quick release key chain.  You can attach it to whatever gear you have, but easily use the quick release if you want to detach it from the gear and throw it into a pocket or whatever.  My wife likes that because she keeps it on a keychain, but doesn't want to take the whole set of keys just to go walk the dog.  With this, she just detaches the defense spray and off she goes.

I'm not sure what the active ingredients are, but big, mean dogs sure hate the hell out of it and respond as you would wish them to when hit in the face with it.

Can't recommend this one enough, again because of the quick-release setup!



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Re: Pepper spray help...
« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2009, 08:33:24 PM »
Pepper Spray 101
By: James Yeager

   People use the word "mace" as a generic term for any type or brand of aerosol chemical weapon. They use it much in the same way as saying Kleenex for any facial tissue. Shop wisely because not all personal defense sprays are created equally. Some people choose them because O.C. can be carried in some places that guns are not allowed. Others just want more options.

   The single biggest misconception about aerosol chemical weapons is the "percentage" of O.C. (Oleoresin Capsicum) like 5% or 10%. A person might be led to believe the 10% formula is better than a lower one like 5%. The higher percentages make it last LONGER because there is more pepper in that formula. They do not make it HOTTER and heat is what makes it effective.
 
   Let’s say brand “A” uses a very low grade of pepper and makes the formula 10%. Brand “F” uses the highest quality peppers available and makes the formula 2%. The only way to determine how good either of them might be is to check the label for Scoville Heat Units. Heat is what makes O.C. effective. Heat of O.C. is measured by S.H.U.s (Scoville Heat Units). In my opinion, you should consider nothing less than 1 million S.H.U.s, for self-protection or Law Enforcement work.

  Another misconception is that the O.C. spray will affect people of different ethnic backgrounds less because they eat so many peppers as part of their staple diet. This is absolutely not true.

   The three physical effects that you want your formula to cause are a burning sensation of the contaminated skin, respiratory distress, and an involuntary eye closure. The burning sensation is the least important tactically. The desired respiratory effect is to decrease the ability for the badguy to breathe enough to keep attacking you. The involuntary eye closure is the most important tactically. The O.C. dries the fluids in the eye on contact and forces the person to shut their eyes. If the potential felon can’t see you it will be more difficult to catch or kill you.

   Most Personal Defense Sprays are available in Fog, Cone (sometimes called Mist), Stream and Foam. Each of these spray patterns has its strong points. Fog is the most effective delivery system because it is the most readily inhaled. It causes the most cross contamination onto unintended areas and is the easiest to blow back into your own face. Cone has a “shotgun” type pattern and is my personal favorite for general use. It has a more wind resistant delivery but still atomizes the O.C. well for inhalation. Stream is not inhaled as readily but has the greatest distance and even less likelihood of blowback. Foam has an almost shaving cream type consistency. It is highly unlikely it will be blown back by wind and is the best choice for indoor use as it causes the least cross contamination. Foam, however, is the least effective because it is rarely inhaled.

   Some manufacturers would have you believe their product is superior to any other defensive option. Nothing works 100% of the time. NOTHING. Not your shotgun, not your baton, not your brain. Do not fall into the trap of thinking your O.C. will handle anything that comes along. It will not. Beware of any company who says their spray is the greatest thing ever invented. I have seen demonstrations of people sprayed with pepper sprays and still attack. Goal oriented people. They are dangerous and you must remain vigilant.

  You must also have a back-up plan. Just like going to your back-up gun if your primary becomes damaged or taken. If your O.C. doesn’t work you need to be prepared to go to a higher level of force or be ready to run away. Always keep in mind your self defense tools are likely to give lackluster performance when it comes down to it.

   If you carry O.C. as a defensive option put some thought into it. Just like with your gun-holster-ammo combination. Police officers use the O.C. on their belt far more often than the gun beside it. Consider which spray pattern and formulation will best suit your needs. Also consider placing several cans in strategic locations like in the car, at the office, by the front door and in your vest pocket.

   Using O.C. isn’t as complicated as shooting but you do need to practice with it. Many companies sell inert training units that will work for practice but I suggest just using a live can. Practice like you would use it and think ahead and know which way the wind is blowing. If it blows back into your face have you really made yourself safer?
 
   While on the topic of accidentally (or otherwise) being sprayed there are some simple guidelines you can follow to speed recovery along. Water and lots of it will help immensely. If you have non-oil based soap available (like Dawn or J&J baby shampoo) you should use it to wash the excess spray out of your hair and off your face. Make sure to get it all so you don’t get recontaminated later when you shower. Never use salves or creams to ease the burning sensation. It will only trap the O.C. under the skin and cause blistering. Never remove another persons contact lenses, always let a medical professional take them out.

   If you ever are forced to spray someone you should move afterward. Two or three one half second bursts will do it. If the face is covered it will make it no hotter to spray more and it could actually wash some off. It should produce a reaction within three seconds of contact. If you do not get the desired effect go to your “plan B”.
 
   Chemical Weapons can be a good choice for people who choose not to have a gun. They can also help us bridge the gap between no force and lethal force. If chosen and used correctly they can be a great asset to anyone who is worried about their personal safety.

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Re: Pepper spray help...
« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2009, 09:08:16 PM »
Yeager beat me to it.....

I've used the fog and stream varieties.  The stream is almost entirely worthless.  You get ZERO respiratory effects.

The fog is a fight-stopper.........MOST of the time.

I'm going to recommend the ASP Key Defender.  It's basically a kubotan keyring that houses an OC cannister.  Its advantage is that it's highly likely to already be IN THEIR HANDS when they need it, and very few attackers will recognize exactly what it is until it's too late.

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Re: Pepper spray help...
« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2009, 10:28:17 PM »
Covered it here a few weeks ago.

http://thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/index.php?topic=5951.0

I use Punch II in the smallest can (1/2 oz).

http://www.defensivechemicals.com/product_info.php?cPath=7&products_id=12

I have documented usage of OC on over 100 suspects. Additionally I've taught it for at least 13 years, sprayed over 30 folks last week. Great equalizer. Blowback (collateral amount that drifts back towards you) is nowhere near what a burst to the face/eyes would be.

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Re: Pepper spray help...
« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2009, 12:07:30 AM »
sprayed over 30 folks last week.

who says there aren't any good jobs left! :D