My link was not good for others ,a mental lapse, but for somewhat better batteries and a whole watt more power the FT-818 ,at a couple of hundred dollars more than the FT-817 is not so much a bargain. I have owned TWO FT-817's and they are an impressive radio that,on internal batteries,gives you about 2 1/2 watts out for a couple of hours before needing recharge ( a charge cycle ...within the radio) and only 5 watts with external power. It is FUN to use QRP...like riding a bicycle compared to a motorcycle...sometimes minimal is fun. As a second ,or better third radio,the QRP rigs are fun and promote operator skill enhancement.