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Re: Food prices increasing, possible shortages (merged topics)
« Reply #270 on: April 13, 2011, 04:42:42 PM »
OK, folks... it is really time to get going on food storage. My last visit to the Atlanta LDS warehouse was in November. At that time, the cost for a 25 lb bag of hard white wheat was under $6.00.

I just checked online to put another order together and found that the same item (5 months later) is almost double the cost at $11.45. I know they keep the costs as low as possible to help people store as much food for their families as possible.

Start now, if you haven't already... just saying.

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Re: Food prices increasing, possible shortages (merged topics)
« Reply #271 on: April 13, 2011, 08:19:49 PM »
OK, folks... it is really time to get going on food storage. My last visit to the Atlanta LDS warehouse was in November. At that time, the cost for a 25 lb bag of hard white wheat was under $6.00.

I just checked on line to put another order together and found that the same item (5 months later) is almost double the cost at $11.45. I know they keep the costs as low as possible to help people store as much food for their families as possible.

Start now, if you haven't already... just saying.

Just checked with the LDS Store House in Tucker Ga.today, they advised me that as of 3 weeks ago they no longer sell to non LDS members unless you are escorted there by a LDS Member.

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Re: Food prices increasing, possible shortages (merged topics)
« Reply #272 on: April 13, 2011, 08:27:50 PM »
The majority of the posts on this topic refer to rising prices, but now we are seeing more relating to the second part of topic title "possible shortages". I haven't personally seen empty shelves but that might be due to the high prices, people are doing without. An odd thing I saw at Wal-Mart groceries: an entire 50' long aisle on side nothing but bottled water.

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Re: Food prices increasing, possible shortages (merged topics)
« Reply #273 on: April 14, 2011, 06:36:06 AM »
this is not food shortage, but it is due to a crop shortage:

"The apparel industry was hurt after poor weather hurt cotton crops in China and Pakistan over the past several years and speculators then cornered the market. Demand far outstripped supply, and prices skyrocketed. Cotton hit a record high of $2.44 per pound on March 8: last year, cotton averaged about 77 cents a pound."

http://articles.boston.com/2011-04-07/business/29393358_1_cotton-apparel-prices-clothing-prices


and it also leads to shortages and less of a family's budget for non-necessities.


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Re: Food prices increasing, possible shortages (merged topics)
« Reply #275 on: April 14, 2011, 10:30:22 PM »
Just checked with the LDS Store House in Tucker Ga.today, they advised me that as of 3 weeks ago they no longer sell to non LDS members unless you are escorted there by a LDS Member.

Dang... I waited too long. Thanks for the information.

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Re: Food prices increasing, possible shortages (merged topics)
« Reply #276 on: April 15, 2011, 12:41:21 AM »
I bought wheat (alot of wheat!) only three weeks ago at the LDS warehouse.  Buying the same thing today would cost me 45% more!  Unbelievable!  I know that the LDS folks aren't selling to profit so that is pure inflation.  I'm not waiting on anything else!

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Re: Food prices increasing, possible shortages (merged topics)
« Reply #277 on: April 17, 2011, 01:18:55 PM »
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-04-16/zoellick-says-world-economy-one-shock-away-from-food-crisis-1-.html


World Bank President Robert Zoellick.....estimated 44 million people have fallen into poverty due to rising food prices in the past year, and a 10 percent increase in the food price index would send 10 million more people into poverty. The United Nations FAO Food Price index jumped 25 percent last year, the second-steepest increase since at least 1991, and surged to a record in February.

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Re: Food prices increasing, possible shortages (merged topics)
« Reply #278 on: April 18, 2011, 09:10:55 AM »
Trucking company steals tomatoes, cucumbers, frozen meat

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...the criminals appeared to have set up a bogus trucking company with the intention of stealing loads of produce and other goods. ...

At each pick-up, a driver working for E&A showed up at the wheel of a tractor with a refrigerated trailer. The shippers loaded the pallets of tomatoes or the other goods into the trucks and the driver drove off. None of the loads got to their destinations. ...

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14% raise in Wholesale foods just in Mar alone
« Reply #279 on: April 19, 2011, 07:35:59 AM »

From Survivalblog

http://www.survivalblog.com/2011/04/inflation_watch_66.html

An average of a 14% increase in one month for base wholesale foods.  I have attempted to calculate what this would mean in the course of the non inflation forward to Mar 2012 .. but the answer does not look correct since I am getting something like an inflation rate in food of 168%

Even the LDS Canneries report jumps as high as 49% in some items just from their Jan prices.

http://www.examiner.com/finance-examiner-in-national/prices-at-lds-canneries-show-inflation-for-food-up-between-11-and-49

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Re: 14% raise in Wholesale foods just in Mar alone
« Reply #280 on: April 19, 2011, 08:07:08 AM »
wow, scary articles.  sigh.

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Re: Food prices increasing, possible shortages (merged topics)
« Reply #281 on: April 19, 2011, 10:14:24 AM »
I need to get more supplies into storage quickly. It's getting crazy out there.

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Re: Food prices increasing, possible shortages (merged topics)
« Reply #282 on: April 19, 2011, 11:09:23 AM »
I need to get more supplies into storage quickly. It's getting crazy out there.

Yes, gonna go buy another 50 pounds of beans today, maybe rice too.

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Re: Food prices increasing, possible shortages (merged topics)
« Reply #283 on: April 19, 2011, 08:16:32 PM »
Now's really the time to look into local smaller farming operations since they seem to be a little behind the curve on raising prices, at least so far. I bought a whole mess of wheat, barley, lentils, and beans from a local guy via a food co-op and paid a fraction of what it cost to order from bigger suppliers--even at wholesale prices.

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Re: 14% raise in Wholesale foods just in Mar alone
« Reply #284 on: April 21, 2011, 06:06:35 AM »
wow, scary articles.  sigh.

Scary indeed.  I wish someone would do their own math on these two articles.  I either do not believe or do not like the numbers I am seeing ( food non-inflation in the 200% per year range )

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Re: Food prices increasing, possible shortages (merged topics)
« Reply #285 on: April 21, 2011, 06:13:57 AM »
Yes, gonna go buy another 50 pounds of beans today, maybe rice too.

I picked up a 50# bag of rice at Sam's yesterday, the price had jumped from $13-ish last year to almost $19. No shortage, lots of bags on the pallets, but a 50% price jump? Sugar was almost $10 for 25#, another big jump.

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Re: Food prices increasing, possible shortages (merged topics)
« Reply #286 on: April 21, 2011, 08:37:49 AM »
I bought a 50# bag of bread flour yesterday from Costco, $15.89, two bucks more then it was a couple of months ago.  At least I know bread will be on the menu for the forseeable future.

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« Reply #287 on: April 21, 2011, 11:43:17 AM »
I still don't see food shortages in the US as a problem and really don't see significant shortages in the future here.  What I do see is global prices rising causing more conflicts, more foreign than domestic, but certainly some increase in communities where money is already tight.  It's the belt tightening that concerns me.  It's the people who live on frozen food and fast food for the majority of their diets that don't have a clue how to prepare a meal with raw, whole foods that are truly on the bubble.  Those are the folks that have the fewest options in their own eyes.  They have to eat, but they also perceive that they have to make a car payment, car insurance, cell phone bill, utility bill, rent or mortgage, etc., without recognizing there are other places to save and their are other ways to put food on the table.

As Jack has brought up in recent shows, now is the time to consolidate and secure your positions.  If you want to hang on to a middle class way of life and you see food prices doubling or more in the next couple of years while energy prices also rise, you make decisions with that lens.  When choosing your next vehicle, you assume gas prices are going to rise.  When you buy a new furnace, you assume energy prices will continue to rise.  You plant that garden, you plant those trees, and you create new sources of productivity in your lives.  When you think about that new flatscreen, you consider what else could the resources be going toward.  If you choose to make the purchase anyway, you buy the size you need with the best energy efficiency rating. 

Prepping for the zombie apocolypse by storing food you'll eat if you must vs. creating production capacity and storing food you want to eat tonight for dinner (but will put away for tomorrow) is a risky proposition.  If you eat beans and rice, great.  But if it's the food of last resort for your family, think carefully about how much you put up, learn new preparation techniques you like today, and also store things you enjoy with a passion.  Heck, macadamia nuts are a part of my preps.  Why?  Because they make the best breading for trout I've ever had.  Otherwise, I hate trout, but it's all that grows in the local streams.  Prepare accordingly.

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Re: Food prices increasing, possible shortages (merged topics)
« Reply #288 on: April 21, 2011, 08:23:10 PM »
Perhaps a subtopic to this one would be how to stretch your food reserves. I've found that to deal with avoiding redundant meals you can use the same rice & bean concoction by doing something as simple as using different sauces, broths, soup stocks. Smoked ham hocks are cheap and pump up the flavor. Sometimes I toast the rice before cooking. We never use white rice, brown is more nutritious and versatile.

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Re: Food prices increasing, possible shortages (merged topics)
« Reply #289 on: April 21, 2011, 11:06:20 PM »
Perhaps a subtopic to this one would be how to stretch your food reserves. I've found that to deal with avoiding redundant meals you can use the same rice & bean concoction by doing something as simple as using different sauces, broths, soup stocks. Smoked ham hocks are cheap and pump up the flavor. Sometimes I toast the rice before cooking. We never use white rice, brown is more nutritious and versatile.

I love brown rice myself, but white rice stores longer. You can't put 150 pounds of brown rice away and expect it to be good in ten years.

I generally eat what I store, but there is a place for long term storage. I aim to have 2 years worth of the stuff I eat and rotate through it since most stuff keeps that long, but I also plan to have some long term storage that I don't use on a regular basis.

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Re: Food prices increasing, possible shortages (merged topics)
« Reply #290 on: April 22, 2011, 04:57:38 AM »
Dry beans are great if you have a pressure cooker.  Otherwise, the fuel requirement to cook them becomes a serious drain.

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Re: Food prices increasing, possible shortages (merged topics)
« Reply #291 on: April 22, 2011, 06:56:34 AM »
Dry beans are great if you have a pressure cooker.  Otherwise, the fuel requirement to cook them becomes a serious drain.

crockpot method:
place 2 c dry beans in a 2-qt crockpot.  rinse once, if you like, then fill to the top with clean water.  plug in and turn on.  leave overnight (or 8-10 hours).  rinse the finished beans, and use in recipes.  voila!  


http://www.squawkfox.com/2009/03/14/6-reasons-to-use-a-slow-cooker-or-crock-pot/
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Cooking with a crock is also very inexpensive when compared to the costs of running an oven. Using my Kill A Watt power meter, I’ve found that a crock pot consumes around 250 watts of power while an oven can draw up to 4000 watts – depending on how you’re cooking. This means that using a conventional electric oven for one hour can cost around 20 cents while operating a crock pot for 7 hours costs only 10 cents – an energy savings of 50%.

also, if needed, use a rocket stove to bring your pot of beans to a boil, then a cookbox, like the one in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQ-vgEUWZjc#
 and you can have soft beans with relatively low energy use.



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Re: Food prices increasing, possible shortages (merged topics)
« Reply #292 on: April 22, 2011, 07:24:43 AM »
Dry beans are great if you have a pressure cooker.  Otherwise, the fuel requirement to cook them becomes a serious drain.

Soak them overnight, drain and replace the water. Then cook them in a solar oven using zero fuel. Just and idea.

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« Reply #293 on: April 22, 2011, 01:50:39 PM »
Soak them overnight, drain and replace the water. Then cook them in a solar oven using zero fuel. Just and idea.
Dry beans are great if you have a pressure cooker.  Otherwise, the fuel requirement to cook them becomes a serious drain.

These are both excellent ideas, which I do, but if you are cooking outside use a campfire style Dutch Oven and you can cook for free with a few chunks of wood in the grill underneath the oven and on its' lid.


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Re: Food prices increasing, possible shortages (merged topics)
« Reply #295 on: April 22, 2011, 05:40:56 PM »

 The worst case scenario would/will be with mother nature like Typhoons,earthquakes,droughts.floods and volcanoes and of course oil spills and radiation pollution can be dangerous as collateral damage. it seems like a perfect storm is upon us. Not much we can do but wait and prepare.

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Back on topic: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/are-these-the-20-signs-that-point-to-a-global-food-crisis/

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Re: Food prices increasing, possible shortages (merged topics)
« Reply #296 on: April 26, 2011, 02:11:31 PM »
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at the OKC storehouse and the date was cancelled due to a shortage of most all their long term goods. They are re-scheduling it for July. It seems that many of the Mormons who have not heeded the advice to stock pile and are now trying to catch up as well as get their family in on it also. This is also coupled with the fact that everybody is a little more nervous than usual and are buying out of their anxiety due to the terrible economic and geo-political outlook.

Well that certainly doesn't bode well for a noob prepper here in OKC.

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« Reply #297 on: April 28, 2011, 02:39:27 PM »
today on the drudge report there is an article about crop problems due to Drought

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110428/us_nm/us_usa_drought

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« Reply #298 on: April 30, 2011, 06:12:05 PM »


  Five Million dead chickens due to Tornadoes which means a shortage of chickens for awhile with prices and demand going up! Anybody seeing a pattern yet? Not global warming? Not 2012 Mayan doomsday? Over 300 dead people and things are just getting worst day by day! Maybe there is more here than meets the eye,don't you think?

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« Reply #299 on: May 12, 2011, 09:10:18 AM »
With the vicious dust storms in China right now (their own dust bowl) I went poking around and found an interesting article from the Chinese perspective:  Can the US feed China? – Expert worries Americans farming for Chinese

Probably the most interesting little blurb was this:
Quote from: Bejing Today
“Now, after 15 years of near self-sufficiency in grain, it seems likely that China will soon turn to the world market for massive grain imports, as it already has done for 80 percent of its soybeans.”

And, according to Brown, the US has no choice but to send it. “When the US Treasury Department auctions off securities every month to finance the US fiscal deficit, China has been a major buyer. It holds over $900 billion worth of US Treasury Securities. China is our banker.”
They've got a point.  As long as we're buying their goods and they hold US treasuries, we're going to sell.  We stop selling, they stop buying treasuries and we can't afford to run our government.  Hell of a barrel we put ourselves over.