List of NO GUNS ALLOWED stores / businesses?

[Roundabouts]

Did a search and couldn't find a list of stores / businesses that have no guns allowed posted on their doors.  Any one know where I could find such a list?  I really don't like having my head up my behind.  Went to Ikea today and didn't see the sign until I came out and then it hit me oh crap I think I remember something like that from some time ago.  Guess I wont go back. 

Course as usual I just couldn't help myself had to embarrass hubby.  How?  um basically I was asking where do we stand in line for our armed guards or protectors.  Because surely they wanted to keep customers safe.  So I just wanted to know the procedure.  I mean if I am not allowed to protect myself they who will protect me while I shop go to the bathroom and walk to my car?  Hey I just wanted to know.  Because I would be more than happy to protect my self.  Well they looked at me funny and said I will go find out for you I am not sure who it is.  I don't even think we offer that kind of protection service.  Well after talking to several people even security they said nope we only offer cameras and we can call the police.  Which of course I couldn't help myself.  "No no not prosecution help.  Protection as in preventive No? well I guess I can't shop here because I don't feel safe.  Will take my money else where"   Shoot I could feel hubby just crapping himself.  "Do you always have to open your mouth?" 

"Why yes I do!"   I can guarantee I will be talked about as the crazy lady.  At least until the first time one of their female customers or employees is mugged or raped in their store or parking lot.  Or the first time someone that hears that story has to go identify a body or visit a loved one in the hospital.  Bet they will think I am not so crazy after all.


So to save embarrassment of hubby and an uncomfortable ride in the car  I thought it might be best if I had a list of stores to BAN.  Then I can just send them each a letter telling them why I wont shop there.  Course I have to admit it did make feel just a bit better to let some one have it.  I could see the look on one guys face he was thinking about it.  Where he had said he had never really thought about it before. 

Oh and I might as well get this off my chest or hubby is going to get cold feet in the middle of his back tonight.  He said there is no point and if you see that sign just get in your car and drive away.  NO WAY.  Just crawl under a rock and hide?  Are you frigen kidding me!  BS you had at least better send the company a letter telling them WHY you are not shopping there.   Then he found on line where many just carry any way.  NO NO NO That makes you a law breaker.  Don't just roll over tell the manager write a letter to corp.  Tell them why they won't get any money from you.  If enough people did that they would change their policies.  If not oh well other places will love getting my money.   I even sent a letter to Starbucks thanking them and letting them know I will continue to shop there.  I also let starbuck employees know that their company supports freedom and the constitution by supporting the 2nd amendment.  How many didn't even know.  Were happy to hear it (even though most didn't really understand )  Plant a seed.  An idea maybe it will grow maybe not. 


So a list of anti gun stores shops businesses would be great. 

[Roundabouts]

Starting the list with

Ikea 

[cheryl1]

 

[ncjeeper]

I believe O'Rileys auto parts stores are anti gun.

[Bonnieblue2A]

Anti-gun lists of business can usually be found on the CCW forum(s) of a state.

Recently there is an APP out for that. It is called Gun Free Zone on iTunes.  The APP is only as good as those entering the information on a volunteer basis.

[rikkrack]

Our local gun group has a running list and even a card to give to the manager/owner stating they have lost your business because they will not respect your 2nd amendment rights. One that sticks out is Buffalo Wild Wings. This may be just locally. I OC and no business I have gone to has ever said anything. If there is a sign, I don't go in, and don't go back, then tell others that carry, not to frequent those places. I in the thread to keep up in the posting, but also to come back. If anyone is in Indiana here is the site. You have to be a member (it's free), so I will try and find the info and be back. www.ingunowners.com aka INGO

[FrugalFannie]

I try not to support any business that either posts "no guns allowed" signs or has a policy less than full support. Some of my lists include:

use this list:
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/celebrities/nra-releases-list-celebrities-organizations-support-gun-control

or this:
http://scopeny.org/antigun.html

here's another:
http://www.armedlutheran.us/anti-gunners/anti-gun-companies/

That should get you started.

[rikkrack]

found this

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/technology/gadgets/gun-free-zone-app-identifies-businesses-ban-guns-video

Searching my group threads, I can only find individual posts of when they were asked to leave or signs at local area establishments. At least in our area if there is a sign it holds no weight of law until they ask you to leave. Then if you refuse it is trespassing. I am not a lawyer, so take that as an opinion.

I know all starbucks as pro 2A.

[nelson96]

A list is good to have so that you know what businesses that don't deserve your business.  But, when you need something you need something, so if I must, I frequent them anyway (with my CC).  Nobody knows when I carry so no harm no fowl.  I'll accept the consequences if I ever have to use my weapon in these establishments.  I would rather be alive with an arrest than dead.

[rikkrack]

second that. I do CC if I have to. While not posted at church, I do CC there. Sometimes the smaller CC is more comfortable if doing a lot of physical work/activity.

[Virginian]

FRIENDORFOE.US

[ncjeeper]

One that sticks out is Buffalo Wild Wings.

Are you allowed to ccw in a place that sells and serves alcohol in your state? In NC you cant.

[rikkrack]

yup. no requirements on alcohol. You cannot carry in a casino the only place I can think of where you cannot that has alcohol. From memory, and again IAMAL

No carry at:
casino
at a school, k-12 public or private
federal buildings i.e. court, court house per federal law
on plane commercial/chartered
on a school bus, and i believe operated by state/district.
Government center campus
penal facilities
controlled access of airport
during state fair, on fairground

All other places at owners discretion.

I also carry a copy of the Indiana codes with me at all times pertaining to laws if I ever get hassled. to date I never have (going on 4 years OC) but it does come in handy to educate those who are under false belief of what they were "told" was the law.

Here is a bonus, it is a state law that you can carry in your locked vehicle while at work if not in any of the forbidden above places. Your employer may not take ANY negative action against firearms in your vehicle. They are also forbidden from asking if you own, carry, or are in possession of firearms, or and negative repercussions involving firearms unless you are just plain being stupid. hence the CC for many occasions. It stipulates the employer may and should be sued for such actions. again IAMAL. but friends of lawyers who are VERY active on chasing wrongful termination under this new law. Went into effect a year or two ago.

[soccer grannie]

Are you allowed to ccw in a place that sells and serves alcohol in your state? In NC you cant.

SC State Law: No CWP carry in any establishment which serves alcohol, including restaurants. There are Bills in the SC Senate & House to repeal this.

Here's a little info: "Guns in Restaurants:  A Senate Committee has approved its version of a 'restaurant carry' bill which would allow those with Concealed Weapons Permits (CWP) to carry guns into restaurants that serve alcohol as long as they don't consume alcohol. I'm the primary sponsor of a similar bill in the House." - Enewsletter, SC Rep Bill Taylor, 2-23-13

[theBINKYhunter]

concealed is concealed

[LibertyBelle]

concealed is concealed

My thoughts exactly.  When I was in college I always carried on university campus even though it was prohibited (I'm a country girl and I always carried around the farm, and IMHO the city is even more dangerous).  Campus police were available on a "call if needed" basis and since I "lived" at the campus library and was often there until the wee hours, there was no way I was walking across campus at night unarmed.  And no one was any the wiser.

The only places we don't carry is in federal buildings where they make you go through a metal detector...oh, and Six Flags (they do the same, and manually check all pockets/bags).  BTW, the last time we were at Six Flags we were pleasantly surprised at the total lack of riff raff there. But then it seemed like there were armed police around every corner. 

[theBINKYhunter]

SC State Law: No CWP carry in any establishment which serves alcohol, including restaurants. There are Bills in the SC Senate & House to repeal this.

Here's a little info: "Guns in Restaurants:  A Senate Committee has approved its version of a 'restaurant carry' bill which would allow those with Concealed Weapons Permits (CWP) to carry guns into restaurants that serve alcohol as long as they don't consume alcohol. I'm the primary sponsor of a similar bill in the House." - Enewsletter, SC Rep Bill Taylor, 2-23-13

AZ has this.

[Mexican_Hippie]

Every state's a little different on postings.   In Texas there posting is under penal code 30.06 so they're usually called 30.06 signs.

http://texas3006.com/signs.php

As others have said,  this database is only as good as the data that's submitted.  There's even a "Valid" field.  If the language doesn't match the penal code perfectly, isn't in both english and spanish, isn't in at least 1" in height and with contrasting letters then it's not valid and you can walk on by.  The ghostbusters signs are invalid.  Even properly worded signs posted on public (e.g. city/county) buildings are invalid.

You also can't carry in establishments that derive more than 51% of revenue from alcohol here.  They have to be posted with a 51% sign from the TABC.  So liquor stores and restaurants are G2G, but bars are a no-go legally.

[Mexican_Hippie]

My thoughts exactly.  When I was in college I always carried on university campus even though it was prohibited (I'm a country girl and I always carried around the farm, and IMHO the city is even more dangerous).  Campus police were available on a "call if needed" basis and since I "lived" at the campus library and was often there until the wee hours, there was no way I was walking across campus at night unarmed.  And no one was any the wiser.

The only places we don't carry is in federal buildings where they make you go through a metal detector...oh, and Six Flags (they do the same, and manually check all pockets/bags).  BTW, the last time we were at Six Flags we were pleasantly surprised at the total lack of riff raff there. But then it seemed like there were armed police around every corner.

Yeah, I too was carry when carry wasn't cool.

[16onRockandRoll]

O'Reilly auto parts was anti, but there was an internal memo sent out from Corporate that outlined their new policy. Follow the law of the land. If they can carry legally, they can carry in the store. Basically the same as Starbucks.

Safeway grocery is the latest to post No Firearms signs in my area. I stopped shopping there, and emailed the company letting them know why. No response.

[theBINKYhunter]

i noticed my local costco took down their sign... i'm not going to ask about it in case it was a mistake (i was asked to leave once when i OCd there) but i will be a little more confident with them.

[16onRockandRoll]

Signs don't have any athority in Ca, but I try not to patronize posted stores. I have heard some Costcos were posted, but I've never seen one around here that was. Though I give them a little bit of slack on the issue since the incident in Las Vegas where the guy was licensed, but through a series of bad choices of various people including himself, he was shot to death by police in one of their stores. It's hard to tell a company that having CCWers in their stores will not endanger people, blah blah blah, when this is their experience with it. Not that the employees were innocent in the incident, but neither was the deceased or LVPD.

[d3nni5]

I'm a relative noob to this.   Everywhere I frequent regularly, I've never noticed a sign on the door.   Short of the school, I'm not aware of anywhere I'm normally going to have to stow my gun.  Guess I'm going to the right places already.

So far as boycotting a "no gun" store....I'll have to think about it.    If it is a private business, local, I'd have to say I respect that.   Thier choice.   Bigger business, corporate, not so much, seems more political.   Saying that, I would bet most local "ma and pa" stores are cool w/ it anyway.

[BassManNate]

It should be interesting here in Illinois in the coming months. No businesses have it posted here because no one can legally carry. That is at least for a couple more weeks.

[armymars]

  My local gas station and party store has a sign that says " Open and Concealed carry welcomed here.
  In Michigan we use the ghost buster signs by law. At lest 6" in diameter . I've only seen one once. At the post office.

[RitaRose1945]

i noticed my local costco took down their sign... i'm not going to ask about it in case it was a mistake (i was asked to leave once when i OCd there) but i will be a little more confident with them.

That's especially interesting since, here in Vegas, we had an issue with that at our local Costco about 3 years ago.  We have open carry here, and concealed with a permit, so a guy was shopping there, someone spotted it and freaked out.  They called security, who told the guy he couldn't carry in the store.  he was annoyed and said there was no sign saying he couldn't, and state law said he could, so he was going to finish his shopping.  The rest of the conversation is up for debate since the security guard was trying to cover his arse and the guy carrying isn't around to tell his side.  The security guard saw this as an aggressive move so he called the cops and said there was an armed suspect in the store who was on narcotics (I think because the guy thought he was telling something to his wife when she had walked away, so it looked like he was talking to himself).

By the time the cops got there, it was suddenly a "hostage situation" and the cops were on edge.  He was singled out, made a motion to either show or remove his gun (depending on which witness you believe) and was shot by 3 cops.

Big lawsuits, big press.  After that, I'm really surprised to hear a Costco doesn't have a sign 10 feet wide at every entrance.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2010/sep/24/shoppers-recount-police-shooting-outside-costco/#axzz2UPLEURC3

[theBINKYhunter]

That's especially interesting since, here in Vegas, we had an issue with that at our local Costco about 3 years ago.  We have open carry here, and concealed with a permit, so a guy was shopping there, someone spotted it and freaked out.  They called security, who told the guy he couldn't carry in the store.  he was annoyed and said there was no sign saying he couldn't, and state law said he could, so he was going to finish his shopping.  The rest of the conversation is up for debate since the security guard was trying to cover his arse and the guy carrying isn't around to tell his side.  The security guard saw this as an aggressive move so he called the cops and said there was an armed suspect in the store who was on narcotics (I think because the guy thought he was telling something to his wife when she had walked away, so it looked like he was talking to himself).

By the time the cops got there, it was suddenly a "hostage situation" and the cops were on edge.  He was singled out, made a motion to either show or remove his gun (depending on which witness you believe) and was shot by 3 cops.

Big lawsuits, big press.  After that, I'm really surprised to hear a Costco doesn't have a sign 10 feet wide at every entrance.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2010/sep/24/shoppers-recount-police-shooting-outside-costco/#axzz2UPLEURC3

i know the story, that's why i thought it was interesting that the sign is no longer there.

[Bonnieblue2A]

It is important to understand that state laws do not treat "no gun" signs equally. While in some states you may be committing a crime by carrying concealed into a posted property in other states the same may not apply.  I'd argue that it is better to know state laws where one will be exercising his/her RKBA than have a "list". 

Some people choose to vote with their pocket books in regard to "no carry zones" and others could care less. I'd suggest knowing to what political causes a corporation donates speaks more to how they support RKBA than the absence or presence of any "no guns" sign.

[PrepperJim]

It is important to understand that state laws do not treat "no gun" signs equally... I'd argue that it is better to know state laws where one will be exercising his/her RKBA than have a "list". 

I could not agree more. It is better to know the laws than have a "list". In Texas, the sign is simple and standard. It is called a 30.06 sign like this:

http://www.compliancesigns.com/NHB-16362.shtml

Of course, there are places like Post Offices, court houses and schools where it is illegal to carry even if signs are not posted. There are also restrictions on places that derive more than 50% of their sales on alcohol consumption. That is another sign that must be posted.

That being said, I went to a store recently that had a corporate sign stating no weapons. Technically, I did not have to comply because it was not the legally required 30.06 sign. However, I went back to the car and left my pistol there.

Even if they do not have the sign posted and they see your weapon, they can still ask you to leave. If you don't that is called trespassing and the police can be called. The Costco incident referenced above serves as a lesson on this. If the ask you to leave, you leave.

[riptide]

Here in Georgia the "you are unwelcome - take your dirty money and leave" signs are very rare. There is one at the local BrandsMart that I never noticed until a friend pointed it out to me and so I took them up on it and other places get my money. Since I OC less than 5% of the time these dunces would never know. Their sign does not carry the force of law; here in GA they have to ask you to leave and you are trespassing if you do not.

After the Costco incident I chose not to renew. I will NOT support a business that is that stupid, I do go to the local O'Riley autoparts since they saw the light.