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Title: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Carver on May 28, 2020, 06:04:22 AM
A prelude to a long hot summer in nice Minnesota
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/05/27/live-updates-george-floyd-protests-continue-in-minnesota/ (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/05/27/live-updates-george-floyd-protests-continue-in-minnesota/)
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Polar Bear on May 28, 2020, 06:24:26 AM
When the people of a city see those that are supposed to protect them and obey the laws they have sworn to defend corrupt and abuse them instead, people will voice their anger in what way they can.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Polar Bear on May 28, 2020, 06:57:00 AM
Evidently the police didn't learn.

  https://www.theroot.com/here-we-go-again-video-shows-michigan-cop-repeatedly-p-1843709350  (https://www.theroot.com/here-we-go-again-video-shows-michigan-cop-repeatedly-p-1843709350)
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Carver on May 28, 2020, 07:06:39 AM
Hurts to see this happening, the murder and riots taking place a few blocks from where I grew up and on the corner where we hung out.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/minneapolis-burning-buildings-torched-stores-looted-protests-over-george-floyd-intensify (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/minneapolis-burning-buildings-torched-stores-looted-protests-over-george-floyd-intensify)

My view: Someone commented that George shouldn't have resisted arrest, true, but I wonder if that would've made any difference.
Police departments need to clean out officers with records of brutality and unprofessional conduct.
Protestors need to learn how to publicize their reaction without rioting.
 
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on May 28, 2020, 08:02:09 AM
 :sarcasm:  Stealing 70 inch flatscreen TVs and burning down places of business is all about securing justice for George Floyd.  ::)
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: David in MN on May 28, 2020, 09:07:04 AM
Well I'm no defender of Minneapolis PD which has long been a strongarm group of thugs and I can't rationalize that "forgery" led to a death but I am a little afraid of the response as well.

We don't have any love for Minneapolis police because of the times they laughed about my wife getting mugged, mocked me for reporting a stolen bicycle, and the time an officer castigated us for 10 minutes after we had flagged him to report what looked like a homeless man having a seizure in the river. Yup, yelled at us for being out too late while likely letting someone drown while we were in tears begging for help. No love lost there.

You've got to remember what a disaster the downtown LEO situation is. Minneapolis has the sad distinction that one of its police chiefs openly said that the police had lost the good will of the community. Our former county sheriff, Rich Stanek, was tapped by Obama to pursue gun bans. To say that the downtown LEO community is off the rails is not a big stretch and it has been for some time. Now that I spend most of my time in Anoka it's like night and day. Hennepin needs to clean house.

All that said, the riots are just one more reason to never, ever go downtown.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Morning Sunshine on May 28, 2020, 09:24:03 AM
Well I'm no defender of Minneapolis PD which has long been a strongarm group of thugs and I can't rationalize that "forgery" led to a death but I am a little afraid of the response as well.

I remember you saying a while back that the MPD has a serious corruption problem.  I was wondering about your take on this.

:sarcasm:  Stealing 70 inch flatscreen TVs and burning down places of business is all about securing justice for George Floyd.  ::)

and this is why I do not support things like black lives matter.  If it was the LIVES that mattered, they would be acting more like Dr. King.  I saw a picture of his peaceful - prayerful - protests recently, and thought "I could join and support THIS."
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: David in MN on May 28, 2020, 11:05:44 AM
I remember you saying a while back that the MPD has a serious corruption problem.  I was wondering about your take on this.

While the corporate media and agenda driven politicians  will hype up the racial aspect which may or may not have been a factor I see something different. Minneapolis PD somehow managed to turn a situation of a forged $10 bill which we don't know the history of (could be the victim had it passed to him innocently) into a situation where a man lost his life. Over $10. That's pathetic.

You don't see these issues out of the Twin Cities. Even St. Paul is a little better than Minneapolis. As a benchmark, Minneapolis is the only police department in the state that actively uses civil asset forfeiture.

I also don't hold a lot of hope for the civilian leadership. the mayor if Minneapolis is, much like most of his predecessors, a very lost little guy with a permanent "deer in headlights" look intent on saving the world through bike paths. He spinelessly demanded an investigation. Dude, you're the mayor. If you want changes implement them.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Carver on May 28, 2020, 12:03:54 PM
The racial aspect is feeding special interest groups, but I see this more as a rogue killer cop situation. Jesse Jackson is coming to town, Al Sharpton will have something to say, and Minneapolis will go into full blown self-loathing over their racism. The media will open up their files and pull out all their editorials blaming racism on Trump, conservatives, Christians, Christopher Columbus, Republicans, Thomas Jefferson....

Minneapolis will be forced to remember Memorial Day as "George Floyd Day".
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on May 28, 2020, 01:56:27 PM
The racial aspect is feeding special interest groups, but I see this more as a rogue killer cop situation. Jesse Jackson is coming to town, Al Sharpton will have something to say, and Minneapolis will go into full blown self-loathing over their racism.

They are late to the party. From radio, the violent riots and fire bombing (not the peaceful protests earlier) were led by Ilhan Omar's daughter, Isra Hirsi.  Omar Ilhan called for police not to interfere tweeting "We can rebuild, but we cannot bring back lives."  Several innocent people were beaten, stabbed, and shot dead. From what his friends have said about him, i cant imagine that George Floyd would have wanted all this violence done in his name. 

Another thing, what is going on with the one police officer not being charged yet?  The video is very clear that Floyd was complying. And the four officers have already been fired.   Are they purposely delaying his charges to keep the riots going?
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Carver on May 28, 2020, 02:50:42 PM
Sounds familiar: Mayor 'told police to STAND DOWN while Baltimore began to burn during riots' claims damning new report as calm returns to city after stringent curfew enforced by 3,000 National Guard and cops restores order despite clashes
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3060903/Calm-returns-Baltimore-Police-hail-strict-curfew-success-despite-brief-clashes-2-000-National-Guard-troops-1-000-extra-officers-arrest-10-ensure-order-restored-city.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3060903/Calm-returns-Baltimore-Police-hail-strict-curfew-success-despite-brief-clashes-2-000-National-Guard-troops-1-000-extra-officers-arrest-10-ensure-order-restored-city.html)
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on May 28, 2020, 07:37:16 PM
Ah, now it is making more sense why they tried to cover this up and not charge the cop.

https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/05/amy-klobuchar-vp-chances-take-a-big-hit/amp/ (https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/05/amy-klobuchar-vp-chances-take-a-big-hit/amp/)
Kiss Amy Klobuchar’s VP chances goodbye after revelation she once failed to prosecute cop involved in George Floyd killing

During her time as Hennepin County attorney, Klobuchar failed to prosecute Derick Chauvin, the cop at the center of George Floyd’s death. Chauvin, the officer who kneeled on Floyd’s neck, had multiple complaints of excessive use of force. Complaints that received no reprimand under Klobuchar’s watch.
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Klobuchar did not prosecute Chauvin and other officers involved for the first death, which occurred in Oct. 2006 while she was running for Senate. The case was under investigation when Klobuchar took office in the Senate in Jan. 2007, and later went to a grand jury, which declined to charge the officers. Chauvin was later placed on leave when he and other officers shot and wounded a Native American man in 2011.As The Washington Post noted in March, Klobuchar “declined to bring charges in more than two dozen cases in which people were killed in encounters with police” as Hennepin County attorney. Instead, she “aggressively prosecuted smaller offenses” that “have been criticized for their disproportionate effect on poor and minority communities,” the Post continues. And as Klobuchar undergoes vetting to become a possible vice presidential candidate, that track record is being scrutinized and criticized once again.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on May 28, 2020, 08:30:06 PM
https://freebeacon.com/latest-news/armed-civilians-save-local-businesses-during-minneapolis-riots/amp/ (https://freebeacon.com/latest-news/armed-civilians-save-local-businesses-during-minneapolis-riots/amp/)
Armed Civilians Save Local Businesses During Minneapolis Riots

A group of armed civilians successfully defended a pair of stores as riots tore through Minneapolis on Wednesday.

Protests about the police killing of George Floyd have escalated into riots that have torched many businesses in downtown Minneapolis. Four men, two white and two black, stood guard outside GM Tobacco and Sally Beauty Supply as rioters looted a Target store across the street and set other nearby businesses on fire.

"These guys are out here with machetes and shattered windows trying to keep looters out of their business because cops can't get in here," one of the armed men told Max Nesterak of the Minnesota Reformer. "So, I figure, before there were cops there were just Americans. So, here we are."

The two men who spoke with Nesterak said they had initially ventured into the area to support the protests over the killing of Floyd, a black man, by Derek Chauvin, a white police officer. Chauvin and three other officers involved in the incident were fired by the police department but have not been arrested or charged over it. The group of armed men became concerned for local businesses once looting broke out. When they stopped to try and buy cigarettes, they found the owners were trying to ward off looters without any assistance from the police.

"They said they're closed and they're defending their businesses," the first man said. "We heard that and were like, ‘Well, we better kit up and go see if these guys need help.'"
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Carver on May 28, 2020, 08:50:33 PM
From March of this year: History - And Psychology - Predict Riots And Protests Amid Coronavirus Pandemic Lockdowns
https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicolefisher/2020/03/21/historyand-psychologypredict-riots-and-protests-amid-pandemic-lockdowns/#3721c3e14a64 (https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicolefisher/2020/03/21/historyand-psychologypredict-riots-and-protests-amid-pandemic-lockdowns/#3721c3e14a64)

Covid quarantines, lockdowns have resulted in riots throughout the world.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on May 29, 2020, 05:38:16 AM
On radio they are reporting Floyd and police officer Chauvin worked together at a nightclub for 16 years.  Floyd was one of the head bouncers and Chauvin was off duty security.  So it is looking more and more like this was personally motivated.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Carver on May 29, 2020, 06:50:44 AM
CNN Crew Arrested While Covering Minneapolis Riots
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/cnn-crew-arrested-while-covering-minneapolis-riots (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/cnn-crew-arrested-while-covering-minneapolis-riots)
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The same police department that hired the officer who cruelly and arbitrarily murdered George Floyd has responded to the intensifying media coverage of the riots that are now beginning to spread across the US with what some might describe as 'Stalinist' tactics.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on May 29, 2020, 03:14:29 PM
Finally!  Not sure how this isn't second-degree.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/05/29/george-floyd-minneapolis-protests-live-updates/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/05/29/george-floyd-minneapolis-protests-live-updates/)
Derek Chauvin charged with third-degree murder and manslaughter in death of George Floyd
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: mountainmoma on May 29, 2020, 09:31:34 PM
So, I just saw a video clip of some jerk just bashing on the drivers side window of a car on the freeway, they went and stopped all the cars on the freeway, and this poor woman inside, the driver seat, screaming her head off for help, thank God for how strong they make windows .... so he left, but... at which point does the person in the car have justifiable reason to shoot the person attacking ?  Hypothetically, of course ( I mean, that was San Jose)  but, a good time to be transporting your locked handgun everytime you drive  -- even better to stay home, stay away from crowds

It is not "protesting" to be doing such things

https://twitter.com/selfdeclaredref/status/1266514285989171200?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1266514285989171200&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.zerohedge.com%2Fpolitical%2Fviolent-demonstrators-attack-cnn-headquarters-atlanta-during-second-night-nationwide
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Carver on May 29, 2020, 10:07:15 PM
Liberal commentators have a common theme about this event which goes like this: we don't condone the violent rioting, but it is understandable (it's okay).
Violent rioting is not an appropriate response when there is a constitutional alternative.
Street anger is not capable of impartial judgment.
The torment of injustice is not appeased by revenge, but by justice.

It appears that this event is red meat to a blood thirsty media that is starving for revenue and to hell with anything that doesn't contribute to that end. Our local news has wisely ignored the event.

Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on May 30, 2020, 06:26:56 AM
but... at which point does the person in the car have justifiable reason to shoot the person attacking ?  Hypothetically, of course ( I mean, that was San Jose)  but, a good time to be transporting your locked handgun everytime you drive  -- even better to stay home, stay away from crowds

Generally, when you reasonably believe that not doing so would lead to death or great physical harm.  How that is verified varies from state to state.  Some like my state have strong castle and stand your ground laws so in circumstance of someone attacking you in your car or home it isn't over scrutinized.  Other states have laws which state you must try to retreat or flee first.  In these states some prosecutors will try to charge you even in clear cases of self defense.

Either case you must be prepared to deal with aftermath.  Having self defense insurance is a great deal.  USCCA is awesome. Not only will their insurance cover the legal cost, they will stand by you each step of the way.  And their training materials are top notch.  For those out West, taking the 2 or 4 day course at Front Sight Nevada is great.  They have classroom sessions which go into good detail about what to do in these situations.  Many of the instructors live in California so deal with circumstances there.  PM me if you would like details. 
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Morning Sunshine on May 30, 2020, 07:01:40 AM
  For those out West, taking the 2 or 4 day course at Front Sight Nevada is great.  They have classroom sessions which go into good detail about what to do in these situations.  Many of the instructors live in California so deal with circumstances there.  PM me if you would like details.

this.  We went a few years ago, and I wanted to take the family this fall.  But this fall is iffy  ::)
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on May 30, 2020, 07:39:36 AM
Finally, a politician outside the Libertarian Party speaks out against violence.  Burning down cities and beating/stabbing/shooting innocent defenseless people is not legitimate protest. Kudos to the mayor of Atlanta for speaking up.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/05/29/politics/atlanta-protests-keisha-lance-bottoms/index.html (https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/05/29/politics/atlanta-protests-keisha-lance-bottoms/index.html)
Atlanta mayor to vandalizing protesters: 'This is not a protest ... this is chaos'

Atlanta Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms on Friday evening denounced vandalism in her city as "chaos" after demonstrations over the death of George Floyd while in in the custody of Minneapolis police turned violent.

"What I see happening on the streets of Atlanta is not Atlanta. This is not a protest. This is not in the spirit of Martin Luther King, Jr. This is chaos," an impassioned Lance Bottoms said at a news conference.

"A protest has purpose. When Dr. King was assassinated, we didn't do this to our city," she said. "If you want change in America, go and register to vote. ... That is the change we need in this country."

Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Carver on May 30, 2020, 07:53:42 AM
Up until a year ago these two guys worked for the same business as bouncer and the other on security. The black man was engaged to a white woman. Was this a love triangle that ends in nearly destroying a city and upsets a nation?
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on May 30, 2020, 08:03:40 AM
While city burns, Minneapolis mayor erges rioters to wear masks because of Covid-19 and starts a mask distribution program.  Where does Minnesota find these insane politicians?

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/minneapolis-mayor-urges-protesters-to-wear-masks-and-practice-social-distancing (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/minneapolis-mayor-urges-protesters-to-wear-masks-and-practice-social-distancing)
Minneapolis mayor urges protesters to wear masks and practice social distancing

“The City has made hundreds of masks available to protesters this week.”
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on May 30, 2020, 09:02:14 AM
Up until a year ago these two guys worked for the same business as bouncer and the other on security. The black man was engaged to a white woman. Was this a love triangle that ends in nearly destroying a city and upsets a nation?

Very well could be.  His spouse is moving to dissolve their marriage.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/us/live-news/george-floyd-protest-updates-05-28-20/index.html (https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/us/live-news/george-floyd-protest-updates-05-28-20/index.html)
Accused officer’s wife files for dissolution of marriage, lawyer says

An attorney for Kellie Chauvin, the wife of ex-Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin, has filed for a dissolution of marriage, according to a statement from the Sekula Family Law office.
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“This evening, I spoke with Kellie Chauvin and her family. She is devastated by Mr. Floyd’s death and her utmost sympathy lies with his family, with his loved ones and with everyone who is grieving this tragedy. She has filed for dissolution of her marriage to Derek Chauvin,” the statement said.
“While Ms. Chauvin has no children from her current marriage, she respectfully requests that her children, her elder parents, and her extended family be given safety and privacy during this difficult time.”
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Carver on May 30, 2020, 09:50:18 AM
It appears that the riots have evolved into something more sinister.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/america-descends-chaos-nationwide-unrest-erupts (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/america-descends-chaos-nationwide-unrest-erupts)

Pharmacies are being targeted which will become a big problem for those in need of prescription or over the counter medications.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Carver on May 30, 2020, 12:35:55 PM
Officer Derek Chauvin's wife, Kellie Chauvin, who filed for divorce, is the sister of Tou Thao, the other officer in the event who was also fired. She is Laotian and was Mrs. Minnesota 2019.
https://socialstarswiki.com/kellie-chauvin/ (https://socialstarswiki.com/kellie-chauvin/)
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Carver on May 30, 2020, 01:31:54 PM
Minnesota To Deploy Record Guard Force To Contain Unrest Over Death Of George Floyd
https://www.npr.org/2020/05/30/866094145/minnesota-to-deploy-record-guard-force-to-contain-unrest-over-death-of-george-fl?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&fbclid=IwAR3XPe4Z617ddF1J0wEdBEjvl7xgw-1qONrfEuvtMce8OEKUkb5RaVtDYzQ (https://www.npr.org/2020/05/30/866094145/minnesota-to-deploy-record-guard-force-to-contain-unrest-over-death-of-george-fl?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&fbclid=IwAR3XPe4Z617ddF1J0wEdBEjvl7xgw-1qONrfEuvtMce8OEKUkb5RaVtDYzQ)
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Officials expected to deploy some 2,500 soldiers and airmen by midday Saturday and will soon mobilize the state's full National Guard force of more than 13,000 — "an action that has never been taken in 164-year history of the Minnesota National Guard," according to Gov. Tim Walz, who spoke at a joint news conference with Jensen.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: surfivor on May 30, 2020, 04:15:53 PM

 It sounds like there are crazy violent protests breaking out in cities everywhere possibly with Antifa

I am not sure they are practicing social distancing while rioting either
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on May 30, 2020, 04:53:44 PM
Rapper Killer Mike nails it: https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1266561792806916096?s=19 (https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1266561792806916096?s=19)

Comedian Terrence Williams is speaking out too. So sad to see this happening to innocent people.  ANTIFA came in and destroyed all their food sources: https://twitter.com/w_terrence/status/1266821679642079237?s=09 (https://twitter.com/w_terrence/status/1266821679642079237?s=09)
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Carver on May 30, 2020, 05:28:38 PM
What did George Floyd die from?
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/george-floyd-death-what-know-dont-know-andrew-mccarthy (https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/george-floyd-death-what-know-dont-know-andrew-mccarthy)
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on May 30, 2020, 05:56:37 PM
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/05/30/george-floyd-protests-riots-violent-outside-agitators-minnesota/5291658002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/05/30/george-floyd-protests-riots-violent-outside-agitators-minnesota/5291658002/)
'There are anarchists': Minnesota officials say 'outside agitators' are hijacking peaceful protests

Drifting out of the shadows in small groups, dressed in black, carrying shields and wearing knee pads, they head toward the front lines of the protest. Helmets and gas masks protect and obscure their faces, and they carry bottles of milk to counteract tear gas and pepper spray.

Most of them appear to be white. They carry no signs and don't want to speak to reporters. Trailed by designated "medics" with red crosses taped to their clothes, these groups head straight for the front lines of the conflict.

Night after night in this ravaged city, these small groups do battle with police and the National Guard, kicking away tear gas canisters and throwing back foam-rubber projects fired at them. Around them, fires break out. Windows are smashed. Parked cars destroyed. USA TODAY reporters have witnessed the groups on multiple nights, in multiple locations. Sometimes they threaten those journalists who photograph them destroying property.
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Leggat, the security consultant, said intelligence reports from his colleagues indicate most of the hard-core protesters in Minneapolis are far-left or anarchists, and that far-right groups have not yet made a significant appearance. He said looting is typically done by locals – usually people with no criminal record who just get caught up in the moment.

But direct conflicts with authorities come from a mix of both locals and outside groups who see these conflicts as a core part of their mission. Many of the anarchists, he said, target banks, chain-type businesses and even luxury cars as symbols of corrupt institutions. He said even a peaceful protest can turn violent if outside agitators decide to participate, hijacking the message.
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A protester who has been outside some of the most intense scenes this week – the Minnehaha Mall on the south side on Thursday and Uptown on Friday – said his experiences with riots and protests leads him to believe most violence demonstrators are not from Minneapolis or St. Paul.

Arsonists and people breaking into buildings are "definitely" not from the neighborhoods they are damaging, Augustine Zion Livingstone said.

"Ain't no black person burning down no damn barbershops in their hood," Livingstone, 23, said. "We're not doing that."

Some locals are participating in looting once buildings have been breached, but he said they're in the minority when compared with peaceful protesters.

"We're not destroying buildings, we're not burning buildings," said Livingston, who also was a main speaker during Friday's marches and protests at the Hennepin County Government Center.


Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on May 30, 2020, 06:06:50 PM
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/500268-st-paul-mayor-says-arrested-protesters-were-from-out-of-state?amp (https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/500268-st-paul-mayor-says-arrested-protesters-were-from-out-of-state?amp)
St. Paul mayor says arrested protesters were from out of state

St. Paul, Minn., Mayor Melvin Carter (D) said Saturday that all of the protesters who were arrested in his city the previous night were from out of state as demonstrations in and around Minneapolis over George Floyd's death descended into violence.
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"As I talk to my friends who have been in this movement for a very long time, who wake up in this movement every day, and I ask them what they're seeing, what they're feeling, what they're hearing, to a person, I hear them say, 'We don't know these folks. We don't know these folks who are agitating. We don't know these folks who are inciting violence. We don't know these folks who are first in to break a window,'" he added.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: mountainmoma on May 31, 2020, 12:01:46 AM
See a headline that a truck drove thru protesters, Florida, but in scanning the article, protesters where hitting the windows with a bottle first -- so maybe these people inside feared for their lives. 

Ignoring the violence "just" damaging cars, it is not just damaging when people are inside.

So, person inside car in Portland was shot by a "protester", while car was surrounded by protesters.  This person lived thru it and is in hospital. 

Obviously, it is not safe to be in a car surrounded by a mob -- the mob and the media need to come to terms with that, surrounding a vehicle and threatening violence and not letting the vehicle leave is the same as physically holding a person down and pushing and screaming at them, people have the right to take what force is neccessary to get out of there.

This is going to escalate. 
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on May 31, 2020, 07:39:10 AM
Reports are ANTIFA has deployed assassination squads targeting security and police force members in Oakland, Berkeley, Portland, Chicago, and Philidelphia.   It is time to crush them   Remember, Floyd worked in security.  So this is a total dishonor to his memory.

https://abc7news.com/george-floyd-protest-oakland-federal-officer-killed-patrick-underwood-in/6221576/ (https://abc7news.com/george-floyd-protest-oakland-federal-officer-killed-patrick-underwood-in/6221576/)
Family identifies federal officer shot, killed in connection with George Floyd protest in Oakland

Angela Jacobs posted on her Facebook page saying,"My brother, Dave Patrick Underwood, a federal officer, was murdered 5/29/20 in Oakland California, while on duty during the riots. This Violence Must Stop."
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Federal officials say the two were at the Ronald Dellums Federal Building on Clay Street when a vehicle approached just before 10 p.m. Authorities say someone inside the vehicle fired shots at the contract security officers.


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Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Carver on May 31, 2020, 08:35:09 AM
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/minneapolis-jacob-frey-white-supremacists-out-of-state-instigators-george-floyd-protests (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/minneapolis-jacob-frey-white-supremacists-out-of-state-instigators-george-floyd-protests)
First the mayor blamed 400 years of abuse, now it is white supremacists. How about the buck stops here?
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on May 31, 2020, 08:55:02 AM
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/minneapolis-jacob-frey-white-supremacists-out-of-state-instigators-george-floyd-protests (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/minneapolis-jacob-frey-white-supremacists-out-of-state-instigators-george-floyd-protests)
First the mayor blamed 400 years of abuse, now it is white supremacists. How about the buck stops here?

Doesnt help that Keith Ellison, Minnesota's Attorney General, has been tweeting out pictures of himself holding the ANTIFA handbook and inviting rioters.

(https://2kpcwh2r7phz1nq4jj237m22-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/anti-fa-450x600.jpg)
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on May 31, 2020, 09:15:04 AM
More info is coming out on the attacks on the police vehicles.  ANTIFA deployed a new tactic.  They were mobbing police cars to get police to abandon them.  Then they would go about destroying them and stealing the M4 rifles in the trunk.  The idea is to get guns to kill police that trace back to the police.  They are also using them to get protesters to stampede as you can see in this video:

https://twitter.com/BrandiKruse/status/1266924674107109377?s=09 (https://twitter.com/BrandiKruse/status/1266924674107109377?s=09)

Once people figured out what they were doing they fought back.  Here is video of a private security person deftly disarming one of them:

https://twitter.com/CalebJHull/status/1266883740216823814?s=19 (https://twitter.com/CalebJHull/status/1266883740216823814?s=19)

This is why police were refusing to abandon their vehicles to the mobs.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on May 31, 2020, 10:15:05 AM
'cause George would want her to have a snack after busy day of destroying minority neighborhoods.

https://thepostmillennial.com/antifa-stages-seattle-riot (https://thepostmillennial.com/antifa-stages-seattle-riot)
Antifa stages Seattle riot, looter steals a cheesecake

What began as a peaceful protest in downtown Seattle, became a full blown riot due to antifa activists. Hundreds of protestors showed up Saturday for the “March for Justice #George Floyd” event. As the peaceful march reached the Westlake area Saturday afternoon, a second group arrived in the area and according to witnesses it was made up of mostly white, young, masked antifa activists began throwing rocks and attacking police officers.
...
Anarchists and antifa activists began throwing Molotov cocktails and lit serval police cruisers aflame. Police deployed flash bang grenades to disperse the attackers. The peaceful protestors began leaving the scene while the aggressive rioters remained.
...
Rioters began breaking into retail stores and looting while police began firing tear gas. Many businesses downtown have been boarded up for weeks because of local coronavirus response shutdown orders, but this did not stop business owners from coming down to check on their locations, many seen overcome by emotion watching their life’s work and livelihood destroyed.


(https://heavy.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/The-Cheesecake-Factory.jpg?quality=65&strip=all)
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Carver on May 31, 2020, 10:51:56 AM
This WCCO-CBS video was taken one block where our family lived until I was three years old on 31st & Grand avenue. I remember the electric street cars that ran in front of our house, torn down years ago.
https://youtu.be/ZZgXZdhdOtI (https://youtu.be/ZZgXZdhdOtI)
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on May 31, 2020, 03:41:12 PM
This WCCO-CBS video was taken one block where our family lived until I was three years old on 31st & Grand avenue. I remember the electric street cars that ran in front of our house, torn down years ago.
https://youtu.be/ZZgXZdhdOtI (https://youtu.be/ZZgXZdhdOtI)

Hits close to home.

This is a bookstore run by Saint Paul Sisters that I know:

https://twitter.com/SrBethanyFSP/status/1267192262481543169?s=19 (https://twitter.com/SrBethanyFSP/status/1267192262481543169?s=19)

You have to be a  [censored :pissed:] to loot a religious bookstore.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on May 31, 2020, 05:02:14 PM
Wise words:

https://youtu.be/kPEhVSrcKPQ (https://youtu.be/kPEhVSrcKPQ)
MLK Jr.'s niece quotes her uncle following nights of violent protests
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Carver on May 31, 2020, 06:04:58 PM
Susan Rice has an opinion about the rioters.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/susan-rice-suggests-russians-behind-violent-george-floyd-demonstrations (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/susan-rice-suggests-russians-behind-violent-george-floyd-demonstrations)
Now I know who not to blame.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on May 31, 2020, 06:40:11 PM
ANTIFA has people going around breaking up sidewalks with hammers to create stones for smashing windows in riots tonight.  Now peaceful protesters have started rounding them up and handing them over to police.  Here's an example:

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1267249136937689089?s=09 (https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1267249136937689089?s=09)

And the peaceful protesters are also preparing to call them out in the crowds:

https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1267236623705669633?s=09 (https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1267236623705669633?s=09)
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on May 31, 2020, 06:52:02 PM
Susan Rice has an opinion about the rioters.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/susan-rice-suggests-russians-behind-violent-george-floyd-demonstrations (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/susan-rice-suggests-russians-behind-violent-george-floyd-demonstrations)
Now I know who not to blame.

I think I heard on CNN that Putin himself was riding shirtless on a white horse leading the ANTIFA forces. :sarcasm:
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Carver on May 31, 2020, 07:44:39 PM
Twitter is giving looters a hand: https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/05/31/twitter-allows-looters-to-coordinate-criminal-behavior-while-it-declares-blacklivesmatter/ (https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/05/31/twitter-allows-looters-to-coordinate-criminal-behavior-while-it-declares-blacklivesmatter/)

and this:

"It's A Setup": Mysterious Brick Piles Appear Throughout Major Protest Cities
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/its-setup-mysteriously-staged-bricks-appear-throughout-major-protest-cities (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/its-setup-mysteriously-staged-bricks-appear-throughout-major-protest-cities)
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on May 31, 2020, 08:16:00 PM
More info is coming out on the attacks on the police vehicles. 
...
This is why police were refusing to abandon their vehicles to the mobs.

Looks like the daughter of the mayor of New York City was either involved or got caught in the middle.

https://nypost.com/2020/05/31/mayor-de-blasios-daughter-chiara-arrested-at-manhattan-protest/ (https://nypost.com/2020/05/31/mayor-de-blasios-daughter-chiara-arrested-at-manhattan-protest/)
Mayor Bill de Blasio’s daughter, Chiara, arrested at Manhattan protest

New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio’s daughter was arrested at a Manhattan protest on Saturday night, law enforcement sources told The Post on Sunday.

Chiara de Blasio, 25, was taken into custody around 10:30 p.m. after cops declared an unlawful assembly at 12th Street and Broadway in Lower Manhattan, the sources said.

She had allegedly been blocking traffic on Broadway and was arrested after refusing to move, the source said.

“That was a real hotspot, police cars were getting burned there, people were throwing and yelling, fighting with cops. There were thousands of people in that area at that time,” the source said.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Carver on May 31, 2020, 08:59:01 PM
The Ellison/Antifa connection is on the table.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/son-of-minnesotas-attorney-general-declares-support-for-antifa (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/son-of-minnesotas-attorney-general-declares-support-for-antifa)
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on May 31, 2020, 09:28:01 PM
What type of utter madness is this?  The driver laid on horn so they all knew he was coming and could scramble out of way.  And they could have killed hundreds if they would have swerved but they went straight.  Then they stopped vehicle, and got out instead of driving away.  So it doesn't look like a
straight up terror attack by racist extremists and it definitely doesn't fit MO of Antifa.  Just a crazy person?

https://www.foxnews.com/us/semitrailer-speeds-into-crowd-of-george-floyd-protesters-on-minneapolis-bridge-injuries-unclear (https://www.foxnews.com/us/semitrailer-speeds-into-crowd-of-george-floyd-protesters-on-minneapolis-bridge-injuries-unclear)
Semitrailer speeds toward crowd of George Floyd protesters on Minneapolis bridge; driver arrested
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Carver on June 01, 2020, 07:06:46 AM
Disturbing evidence of outside help:
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MINNEAPOLIS -- Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz says state authorities were hit by cyber attackers before law enforcement launched operations Saturday to clear protests.
Walz described the incident as a "a very sophisticated denial of service attack" and said it was executed on "all computers." He did not offer additional details.
Walz pointed to the hack as evidence that unrest in his state in recent days has been stoked by coordinated, outside groups trying to sow mayhem.
"That's not somebody sitting in their basement," he told reporters. "That's pretty sophisticated."

Minnesota authorities say 20% of those arrested had out-of-state addresses.
https://wxow.com/2020/05/31/minnesota-leaders-say-aggressive-approach-helped/ (https://wxow.com/2020/05/31/minnesota-leaders-say-aggressive-approach-helped/)

More validation of the "mysterious bricks" appearing at protests.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/random-piles-of-bricks-reported-at-george-floyd-protests (https://www.foxnews.com/us/random-piles-of-bricks-reported-at-george-floyd-protests)
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on June 01, 2020, 07:29:44 AM
Trump says US will finally designate ANTIFA a terrorist organization.  I guess the assassination squads were the final straw.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1267129644228247552?s=19 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1267129644228247552?s=19)

Meanwhile, Orange County ANTIFA announced on Twitter that they were an undercover intelligence gathering organization and for three years have been compiling lists of ANTIFA leaders and their political and academic funders and were releasing them.  Twitter immediately vanished their account despite no TOS violations   But a few journalists captured the screen shots.

(https://i.redd.it/o9iopnqp69251.jpg)
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: fred.greek on June 01, 2020, 11:13:54 AM
Charlotte-Mecklenburg Fraternal Order of Police spokesman. ...70% of those arrested in race riots in that city this week were not locals.  "This is not Charlotte that's out here," he said. "These are outside entities that are coming in and causing these problems. These are not protestors, these are criminals... They were coming in on buses from out of state.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/09/23/charlotte_police_70_of_rioters_arrested_had_out_of_state_ids.html?fbclid=IwAR0RQMwbgGATACAXEuicj1
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: surfivor on June 01, 2020, 11:32:47 AM

We had riots, vandalism, and looting in Boston last night

my mother said she couldn't believe what she was seeing on TV with riots in Boston. I said: "Mom, I understand these things and what is going on because I am a long time conspiracy theorist and I have studied how it all works"
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Carver on June 01, 2020, 12:23:13 PM
We had riots, vandalism, and looting in Boston last night

my mother said she couldn't believe what she was seeing on TV with riots in Boston. I said: "Mom, I understand these things and what is going on because I am a long time conspiracy theorist and I have studied how it all works"
There was once a "tea party"in Boston harbor....
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on June 01, 2020, 12:56:06 PM
https://abc13.com/amp/george-floyd-brother-terrence-wants-peace-protests-for/6223612/ (https://abc13.com/amp/george-floyd-brother-terrence-wants-peace-protests-for/6223612/)
GEORGE FLOYD'S BROTHER CONDEMNS VIOLENT PROTESTS: 'MY BROTHER WASN'T ABOUT THAT'

Terrence told ABC News he condemns the violent protests happening and wants everyone to know George stood for peace.
...
"I'm outraged too," he said. "Sometimes I get angry. I want to go crazy. My brother wasn't about that. You'll hear a lot of people saying, 'He was a gentle giant.'"
...
"I just had to come down here, and let people know, just channel your anger elsewhere," he said.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on June 01, 2020, 01:21:55 PM
https://romans8v29.blogspot.com/2020/06/pauline-bookstore-chicago-looting.html?m=1 (https://romans8v29.blogspot.com/2020/06/pauline-bookstore-chicago-looting.html?m=1)
Pauline Bookstore Chicago looting update and how you can help

We don't yet know if our insurance will cover damaged caused by insurrectionist movements (this is really new for us), but considering what so many others have suffered across the country, we are getting off lightly. My heart is breaking for the small business owners who watched their livelihoods go up in smoke, their losses incalculable, their pleas unheard by callous ideologues bent only on making a statement without regard for the cost that others (not they) would have to bear. If I had money, I would track down some of those business owners (maybe through the news reporters who told their stories) and send them what I could to help them rebuild or at least get through the next few weeks. But God is trying to convince me that my greater contribution will be to pray for the conversion of all those who have used media in this tragedy to provoke more tragedy; who have co-opted a man's death and people's justified sense of despair and outrage in order to gain ground in a political battle with no winners. (I would also pray that phone data would be used to track down the masterminds of destruction, but I suspect that the real puppet masters are too smart to have used traceable phones. I guess they would rather wait for the ultimate Day of Accounting, which is coming.)
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: David in MN on June 01, 2020, 01:24:50 PM
It's a mess. We have friends who live walking distance to the downtown Target that got burned. There was a Twitter feed that reported planning a riot where my wife works. Reading reports from our downtown super liberal friends it's like the end of days. First of all, we need more masks and social distancing but we must also support rioting and the purpose of it all is "to make white people feel scared". I don't know why that makes anything better but it definitely is keeping me out of downtown.

Something's gotta give. We've had the killing of Fernando Castille with a lot of shady questions because he was a legal concealed carry holder, Justine Diamond the Australian who the police gunned down after responding to her own 911 call, and now George Floyd where (without all the facts) the tactics employed look real bad. Not to disparage all peace officers but our downtown police departments are putting forward a bad track record where they get too violent too quick. I don't support rioting and looting but I can very much empathize with the frustration that this keeps happening.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on June 01, 2020, 03:54:59 PM
Not to disparage all peace officers but our downtown police departments are putting forward a bad track record where they get too violent too quick. I don't support rioting and looting but I can very much empathize with the frustration that this keeps happening.

Nearly 100% of people were behind serious reforms to to how police act.  But now the riots have destroyed progress on that.  And what we are left with is 40% of public trying to justify looting and burning down buildings while people like Joe Biden suggest unserious proposals like retraining police to shoot suspects in the legs rather than in the heart:

https://twitter.com/FreeBeacon/status/1267567972824088577 (https://twitter.com/FreeBeacon/status/1267567972824088577)
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: David in MN on June 01, 2020, 04:41:50 PM
Nearly 100% of people were behind serious reforms to to how police act.  But now the riots have destroyed progress on that.  And what we are left with is 40% of public trying to justify looting and burning down buildings while people like Joe Biden suggest unserious proposals like retraining police to shoot suspects in the legs rather than in the heart:

https://twitter.com/FreeBeacon/status/1267567972824088577 (https://twitter.com/FreeBeacon/status/1267567972824088577)

I hope you're wrong but I suspect you're right. But the question really needs to be asked why Minneapolis (and surrounding localities) have 3 very suspicious officer involved fatalities where use of force was escalated rapidly. When the police have a record of being so unprofessional as to shoot a guy in his car because they couldn't control the situation or to0 gun down an unarmed woman who called them you live in an uneasy situation. Understand that in Minneapolis calling the police for help might be less safe than vigilantism. That's not good. We're seeing people die over $10 or a routine traffic stop. That's not a one-off. That's a list of failures and officers making poor choices when it really counts.

My sister in law had her work broken into. I'll admit she's a pharmacist without going into more detail but she was shaken. I can't accept this rampant rioting and looting and I do think the mayor of Minneapolis should step down as he has been worthless and this incident has destroyed his future political dreams. I also think the peaceful side of the protest is correct in that Minneapolis PD has a problem with use of force.

It's really sad that in all my adult life people who were so close to "getting it right" we co-opted. Whether it's the failed Tea Party tax protestors or Occupy Wall Street that turned communist rather than looking at the FED to this protest where we really should be taking a comb to Minneapolis police but instead we'll burn a Target and walk out with a TV. ANd the saddest thing of it all is the rioters are people I'd never say a kind word to and George Floyd seems like the type I'd have coffee with and laugh about our prior indiscretions.

I don't know what will come of this but after shouting for years that Minneapolis police are off the rails and being treated like a loon (not our beloved state bird) I am finding some traction. Maybe we good people can wrestle a change out of this.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on June 01, 2020, 04:54:31 PM
I hope you're wrong but I suspect you're right. But the question really needs to be asked why Minneapolis (and surrounding localities) have 3 very suspicious officer involved fatalities where use of force was escalated rapidly. When the police have a record of being so unprofessional as to shoot a guy in his car because they couldn't control the situation or to0 gun down an unarmed woman who called them you live in an uneasy situation. Understand that in Minneapolis calling the police for help might be less safe than vigilantism. That's not good. We're seeing people die over $10 or a routine traffic stop. That's not a one-off. That's a list of failures and officers making poor choices when it really counts.

Absolutely.  The path forward seems pretty simple:

End qualified immunity for police officers.
Replace mayor appointed police chiefs with directly elected sheriffs.
Roll back Obama's militarization of police forces.
Wipe out Antifa.
End the war on drugs to reduce police force numbers and the harrassment that causes.
Encourage minorities to become well trained gun owners so they can protect their homes and businesses.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Carver on June 01, 2020, 05:35:29 PM
I'm making an effort to see this from black-colored sunglasses and I wonder why us white folks are so outraged by this murder. Was our outrage over the blatant murder or was it because it exposed obvious racial intent as a motive to murder? We do not want to think that any white cop was unjustified in killing a black man. Did this white cop think he also could get away with it being there is a history of so many white cop/black victim incidents end up with the white cop exonerated? Does my tendency to believe he was psycho a way of excusing the possibility of the naturalism of racist murders in police confrontations between white cops and black men?
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: surfivor on June 01, 2020, 05:44:06 PM
Replace mayor appointed police chiefs with directly elected sheriffs.

I agree, but it is interesting that if you search for "power of sheriffs", there's actually more bad press or propaganda against sherrifs than there is positive by quite a bit. All kinds of things like abuse of power, racists etc. No doubt the media and the liberal establishment doesn't like them

https://www.google.com/search?q=power+of+sheriffs&ei=TZHVXv2aFeWzytMPmP-YqAg&start=20&sa=N&ved=2ahUKEwi99YnD5OHpAhXlmXIEHZg_BoU4ChDw0wN6BAgMEEA&biw=1514&bih=696&dpr=1.25
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Carver on June 01, 2020, 07:34:57 PM
Concrete evidence of organized looting and pillaging:
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/its-setup-mysteriously-staged-bricks-appear-throughout-major-protest-cities (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/its-setup-mysteriously-staged-bricks-appear-throughout-major-protest-cities)
Organized looting:
https://www.foxnews.com/us/george-floyd-riots-looting-destroy (https://www.foxnews.com/us/george-floyd-riots-looting-destroy)
Quote
As riots continue to wreak havoc on cities across the country, officials have continued to point to "outside influencers," along with anarchists and opportunists, who have hijacked the otherwise peaceful demonstrations against police brutality following the death of an African-American man, George Floyd, in Minneapolis last weekend.

According to multiple U.S. intelligence sources, law-enforcement officials in various departments nationwide and analysts monitoring the activity, the playbook in every city is almost the same: the peaceful protests are organized, and a point place is designated for people to gather in the daylight hours.

But, as the night falls and thousands go home, the looting and discord are ignited by a fresh round of people camouflaged with dark clothing and masks, armed with spray paint for graffiti and sometimes homemade weapons, and their nefarious behavior continues well into the early hours.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on June 01, 2020, 09:19:00 PM
Truth.  People are starting to get it.

https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1267650315848990722?s=19 (https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1267650315848990722?s=19)
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Carver on June 01, 2020, 09:24:32 PM
I like this:
Quote
Kristin Fisher @KristinFisher I almost can’t believe what I’m seeing. POTUS just walked out the front door of the White House and into Lafayette Square - the epicenter of the DC protests - to visit historic St. John’s Church, which was set on fire last night.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Docwatmo on June 02, 2020, 05:24:24 AM
Absolutely.  The path forward seems pretty simple:

End qualified immunity for police officers.
Replace mayor appointed police chiefs with directly elected sheriffs.
Roll back Obama's militarization of police forces.
Wipe out Antifa.
End the war on drugs to reduce police force numbers and the harrassment that causes.
Encourage minorities to become well trained gun owners so they can protect their homes and businesses.

Again 1000% this ^^^^
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on June 02, 2020, 05:52:38 AM
It is spontaneous actions.  No one is organizing and bankrolling the violence.  It's not like one of Hollywood's top law firms, with deep ties to the democratic party, has its associates handing out incendiary devices to ANTIFA and then bailing them out when they get caught.   It's all spontaneous. And no way a sitting democratic member of a Brooklyn community board would burn down their own city.  That is silly talk

https://nypost.com/2020/06/01/molotov-cocktail-tossing-lawyers-tried-to-pass-out-explosives-cops/ (https://nypost.com/2020/06/01/molotov-cocktail-tossing-lawyers-tried-to-pass-out-explosives-cops/)
Molotov cocktail-tossing lawyers tried to pass out firebombs to protesters: feds

The two attorneys busted for throwing a Molotov cocktail through a police car window during protests in Brooklyn early Saturday were trying to pass out the incendiary devices to demonstrators in the crowd, federal authorities said Monday.

Brooklyn community board member Colinford Mattis, 32, and his alleged accomplice, 31-year-old Urooj Rahman, were driving around in a tan minivan near a clash between police and demonstrators at the 88th Precinct stationhouse in Fort Greene, federal prosecutors for the Eastern District of New York said in a detention memo Monday.

A bystander snapped a photo of the pair in the car while they were allegedly trying to pass out the homemade explosive devices, according to the memo.

“Rahman attempted to distribute Molotov cocktails to the witness and others so that those individuals could likewise use the incendiary devices in furtherance of more destruction and violence,” the witness later told authorities.

“They knew their acts endangered the NYPD officers and protesters on the street, as well as their own futures, and the defendants were undeterred,” they wrote.
..
Mattis, a graduate of Princeton University and the New York University School of Law, is an associate at corporate Manhattan firm Pryor Cashman. Brooklyn Community Board 5 in East New York lists Mattis as one of its members.

Rahman is also registered as an attorney in New York state, who was admitted to the bar in June 2019 after graduating from Fordham University School of Law.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Carver on June 02, 2020, 07:49:03 AM
Ultimately, this is the best way to handle civil unrest, rioting:
https://youtu.be/ur23lWUHJU0 (https://youtu.be/ur23lWUHJU0)
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Docwatmo on June 02, 2020, 08:07:00 AM
Outstanding!!  And hopefully they are exercising their 2nd amendment rights to ensure their own safety should the terrorists decide to make an effort anyway.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on June 03, 2020, 08:10:21 AM
Message from Pope Francis.

Dear brothers and sisters in the United States, I have witnessed with great concern the disturbing social unrest in your nation in these past days, following the tragic death of Mr George Floyd.

My friends, we cannot tolerate or turn a blind eye to racism and exclusion in any form and yet claim to defend the sacredness of every human life. At the same time, we have to recognize that “the violence of recent nights is self-destructive and self-defeating. Nothing is gained by violence and so much is lost”.

Today I join the Church in Saint Paul and Minneapolis, and in the entire United States, in praying for the repose of the soul of George Floyd and of all those others who have lost their lives as a result of the sin of racism. Let us pray for the consolation of their grieving families and friends and let us implore the national reconciliation and peace for which we yearn.

May Our Lady of Guadalupe, Mother of America, intercede for all those who work for peace and justice in your land and throughout the world. May God bless all of you and your families.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: David in MN on June 03, 2020, 08:46:35 AM
It's a strange time to live Minneapolis adjacent. Those of us in the burbs have 8 pm curfews so emergency crews can get to the riots where the Minneapolis mayor issued a "stand down" order. It's literally more wrong to get a haircut than to burn a Target. I can't go bowling but I can take a hammer to the windows of an Autozone.

I was heartened by the mayor of Saint Paul who lambasted rioters for destroying what little economy we have surviving COVID and how they were setting fire to minority owned businesses in stark opposition to their claimed goals. He, unlike the feckless mayor of Minneapolis who should be subject to some kind of medieval justice, is welcome at my house anytime for an iced tea or something stronger.

You might be surprised but we don't live here for the weather. Nor do we relish our high taxes. What keeps us here is the community and the knowledge that any Midwesterner is the salt of the earth. If we lose that I don't know what's left.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Carver on June 03, 2020, 09:06:43 AM
Like the way the Covid-19 epidemic took everyone by surprise, likewise the universal and unanimous shock and condemnation of the murder of George Floyd was so swiftly and stealthily hijacked into a "get whitey" movement spearheaded by self-loathing young white liberals.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on June 03, 2020, 10:37:21 AM
Uh oh.  Word on the street is Nancy Pelosi was furious at the.Pope's message and went into a tirade with staffers.  They tried to put the pressure on and reportedly the Vatican told her to stick it in her ear, but in a nice way. 

I've never seen Catholics so upset with the Democratic Party. On the other hand, the president placing a wreath at Saint John Paul II monument was extremely well received by the lay people, especially those of Polish descent in Chicago. The looting of Churches, Catholic bookstores, food banks, and homeless shelters as well as the abuse of the poor may haunt them for years to come.

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/amp/news/cathedrals-in-6-states-damaged-by-violent-protests-91111 (https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/amp/news/cathedrals-in-6-states-damaged-by-violent-protests-91111)
Churches in 6 states damaged by violent protests

Catholic churches and cathedrals in several cities were among the buildings damaged in the protests and riots that occurred nationwide over the past week.

Church buildings in California, Minnesota, New York, Kentucky, Texas, and Colorado were attacked. Many of the defaced or damaged churches were cathedrals. The Cathedral Basilica of the Immaculate Conception in Denver sustained permanent damage.

Vandals repeatedly struck the Denver cathedral on multiple nights of the protests and riots over the weekend. The church building and rectory were spray painted with the slogans “Pedofiles” [sic], “God is dead,” “There is no God,” along with other anti-police, anarchist, and anti-religion phrases and symbols.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: LvsChant on June 03, 2020, 10:54:18 AM
With the widespread nature of the looting and destruction, I'm reminded of the Katrina days in New Orleans.

Our little town (on the Westbank) was geographically separated from the city by bridges, so there was no easy way for potential looters to get there unless they went over a bridge or used boats.

They tried both and were turned back. The local sheriff and a few deputies remained behind when the majority of the populace evacuated in our town. He and his men determined who was there in terms of citizenry and deputized many of them to assist in keeping the town safe. One of our friends was deputized and ended up patrolling the canal in his flat-bottomed boat and turning many would-be looters back.

It's just a fact that the police and military do not have the manpower to keep an entire nation secure when this type of rampant lawlessness occurs. We have to take some of the responsibility to keep things in order on ourselves. I think the deputization of citizens is an excellent way to accomplish this, particularly in small towns. I'm sure some aspects of this could be applied to neighborhoods and business areas as well in larger towns. 

Our next door neighbor watched our particular street in a lawnchair with a glass of iced tea and a shotgun. No looting... no destroyed businesses... no one hurt.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Carver on June 03, 2020, 11:44:52 AM
This is a very unique situation; liberals listen to and believe it when they hear that "white supremacists" are doing the rioting and feel morally justified in putting a bullet in their heads. White supremacists or ANTIFA or communists or whatever; I don't care what group is doing the rioting or who wants to get rid of them.

It is also very encouraging to see that everybody is recognizing the clear distinction between the groups rioters & looters and the peaceful protesters.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: David in MN on June 03, 2020, 02:56:36 PM
I don't understand the feigned racial anamace. First off, I find it dubious to claim that mild mannered Minnesota is awash in racists and 3 of the 4 officers involved aren't white. The mayor of Minneapolis is Jewish, the mayor of St. Paul is black, and the Minneapolis chief of police is a black man who sued the city over racial discrimination (years ago) and came up vowing to clean out city hall. If we really are dealing with a massive racist population we are really playing it close to the vest.

Also bear in mind the big employers in the state are massive international businesses. At my last corporate gig my team had a Pole, a Trinidadian, our manager was Moroccan, our director Egyptian, and my operations contact was Ethiopian. We're pretty open to people of all walks.

I'll confess freely there is a strain of racial politics that rears its ugly head when dealing with ethnic issues with the Hmong in Frogtown or the Somalis who have been isolated on the West Bank. But it's not so much that there has been person to person racism as much as the state relocating refugees in bad parts of the city with little hope to escape. I'm not  joking when I say a good chunk of our Somali population lives in a decrepit set of concrete buildings designed by a socialist and those kids have to hop over heroin needles to go to school. The stste should have had a better plan and integrated our refugees into our society but they did a horrible job and it's a stain on all of us.

But these are the exceptions. We don't live here because we like the weather and tax burden. It's that there is a giant chunk of flyover country in the middle of this land where the best people in the history of the world live. We're all 3 generations removed from the farm and in this state we joke about our "Minnesota Nice" and it's not really a joke. Outside our corrupt big cities you could do a lot worse than finding yourself in a small town in the Midwest. My grandparents' farmhouse didn't even have locks and dad tends to leave his keys in the car.

Now if we want to have a discussion about the Minneapolis police and their use of force, I'm game. Too many people have died because our police didn't control themselves and the situation. I'd like to see a change with a emphasis on community support rather than undercover "gotcha" police work and I think most of us who have been downtown would agree. And I don't think we're unique. Whether it's NYC politicians bragging that their police are one of the largest standing armies on earth or a Mesa Arizona cop who feels justified gunning down a half naked man with a rifle that had been engraved "You're Fucked" I do worry. I would like to see a policy change because the vast majority of people in this country are decent and letting bad cops run roughshod over the community poisons the well.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on June 03, 2020, 03:17:35 PM
Are they purposely delaying his charges to keep the riots going?

Finally!  Not sure how this isn't second-degree.

They finslly changed the charges to 2nd degree which was the obvious level from the start.  There is zero doubt now that Keith Ellison slow rolled the propper charges to flame outrage and give rioters cover.  He only pulled the trigger because national guard was getting ready to hit his ANTIFA associates hard.  Expect the riots to greatly diminish starting tonight.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Morning Sunshine on June 03, 2020, 03:32:27 PM
legal Insurrection has a good write up on what exactly has to be proven for a second degree murder charge to stick in MN.  Honestly, I do not see how it does.  But I am neither a lawyer nor do I play one on tv...

https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/06/minnesota-ag-keith-ellison-to-up-charge-in-george-floyd-case-to-2nd-degree-murder-also-charge-other-officers/
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on June 03, 2020, 03:56:06 PM
legal Insurrection has a good write up on what exactly has to be proven for a second degree murder charge to stick in MN.  Honestly, I do not see how it does.  But I am neither a lawyer nor do I play one on tv...

https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/06/minnesota-ag-keith-ellison-to-up-charge-in-george-floyd-case-to-2nd-degree-murder-also-charge-other-officers/

It's pretty straight forward.  There is no premeditation therefore 1st is out unless new evidence emerges otherwise.  This was obviously felony level assault so if death is unintentional it would be murder 2.  Not to mention desire to cause injury also makes it murder 2 even if assault not felony.  And if intentional, which could be argued given other police officer suggested he change position but declined to do so, that too would be murder 2.  Murder 3 makes no sense.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: FreeLancer on June 03, 2020, 11:29:53 PM
Mad Dog Mattis has spoken.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Greekman on June 04, 2020, 01:04:56 AM
if you haven't seen this yet, take note at what the protestors say to the police at the end.... ;D ;D ;D ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UG_VoTwdR0
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Morning Sunshine on June 04, 2020, 05:34:33 AM
if you haven't seen this yet, take note at what the protestors say to the police at the end.... ;D ;D ;D ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UG_VoTwdR0

I do not know if this is the video you meant to link?  I saw no police, and I could not understand what the protestor said :(
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on June 04, 2020, 06:34:05 AM
Mad Dog Mattis has spoken.

LOL. He is still fuming from getting pushed into retirement because his entire staff said they had no confidence in him.  It's pretty bad when you are forced to resign by presidents of both parties.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on June 04, 2020, 08:35:41 AM
Broad agreement across the political spectrum that military should assist police if riots continue.  Other polls show even higher support for use of just national guards (around 75%).

https://www.newsweek.com/majority-americans-support-calling-military-assist-police-during-nationwide-unrest-polling-shows-1508210 (https://www.newsweek.com/majority-americans-support-calling-military-assist-police-during-nationwide-unrest-polling-shows-1508210)
Majority of Americans Support Calling in Military to Assist Police During Nationwide Unrest, Polling Shows

New polling shows that a majority of Americans, including nearly half of Democrats, support calling in the military to assist local police in handling the nationwide unrest that has accompanied peaceful demonstrations commemorating George Floyd, who died last week in Minneapolis police custody.

Morning Consult conducted the survey from May 31 to June 1 and found that 58 percent of voters support using the military to deal with protests and demonstrations across the country, alongside the police. Just 30 percent of respondents said they'd oppose such a measure.

Furthermore, 33 percent (one-third) of respondents said they "strongly" support sending in the military, while an additional 25 percent (one-quarter) said they "somewhat" support the move. Only 19 percent of voters "strongly" opposed deploying the military, while 11 percent "somewhat" opposed it. The survey's margin of error was plus or minus 2 percentage points
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: bigbear on June 04, 2020, 09:37:38 AM
https://www.npr.org/2020/06/04/869255813/former-defense-secretary-mattis-issues-stunning-rebuke-of-trump

Mattis joins Esper in stance against using the military in this 'battlespace.'  He points to the 'photo-op' with Trump carrying a Bible to St. John's as "an abuse of executive authority." 

Pres. Trump should not invoke the Insurrection Act based on a poll.  He should remain true to the state government request precedent.

Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: David in MN on June 04, 2020, 10:49:27 AM
How about the city's lackluster response waiting to charge the 3 officers who stood by? Suppose I went downtown and an officer decided to shackle me to a tree at gunpoint and carve his name in my flesh? Would the other officers just watch and the city drag its feet in dealing with them? That didn't help anybody.

Let's be honest about how tone deaf Minneapolis government is. You had an officer act in a very cruel manner that may have contributed to a man's death over $20 not for a brief second in the heat of passion but for 8 long minutes in full view of other officers who did nothing to help and civilian witnesses who begged for a more peaceful resolution.

Then the city took over when they took their time recognizing the other officers were accessories and the mayor (who is unqualified to mop the floor in my opinion) could only speak in large platitudes about investigations. The only voice of sanity in the state was the mayor of St. Paul who heroically praised peaceful protest while decrying looting and rioting.

Well now we'll overcorrect the other way. City Hall is talking about disbanding the police. The police are having to provide provide convoy service to people leaving Children's Hospital because the rioters know their real enemy: cancer kids. And of course being a worthless leader the mayor did what all state politicians seem to be doing these days and threw his hands in the air and demanded big daddy Trump come fix everything.

I've never liked Minneapolis politics but I didn't think it was this bad. If they had tried to stir tension and destroy the city it would have looked the same.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Carver on June 04, 2020, 11:40:58 AM
How about the city's lackluster response waiting to charge the 3 officers who stood by? Suppose I went downtown and an officer decided to shackle me to a tree at gunpoint and carve his name in my flesh? Would the other officers just watch and the city drag its feet in dealing with them? That didn't help anybody.
An explanation I heard was that if they went for murder #1 and couldn't prove intent they would get off and then there would really be hell to pay. Perhaps that is why they initially avoided M#2?

Did the cops in this incident get tested for drugs or alcohol following this?
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on June 04, 2020, 12:44:23 PM
An explanation I heard was that if they went for murder #1 and couldn't prove intent they would get off and then there would really be hell to pay. Perhaps that is why they initially avoided M#2?

Murder 1 was never officially on the table.  That requires proof of premenditation.not just intent.  So unless there is some big revelation about their past history, that is not an option.  Ellison would never go down that path anyway as it would suggest race wasnt a factor.  Murder 2 doesnt require intent.  If there was intent and no premeditation then it is definitely murder 2.  But even if there wasnt intent it would still be murder 2 because the underlying actions were felonious, if nothing else felony assault.  Murder 3 made no sense at all as that is just about broad, impersonal acts that lead to death such as distributing tainted drugs.  He wasnt blindly and recklessly firing a gun like in the Mohamed Noor case.  His actions against Floyd were deliberate and targetted.

Ellison admitted on national telivision yesterday that he was responsible for the delays and undercharging.  The question is only as to why he did it. A highly popular view is that it was done for political reasons.  One, they wanted to give cover to Amy Klobuchar, in fact she was tweeting out the change in charges prior to Ellison's release so we know they have been colluding.   Two, Ellison wanted to use this case for his political advancement and his activist causes. Best way to do that was to delay charges to get protests going.  It was always going to be Murder 2 for Chauvin and acessory for the others.  The next step will be a pleading down by the other officers in exchange for making statements about systemic issues within the department.

Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Greekman on June 04, 2020, 01:09:51 PM
I do not know if this is the video you meant to link?  I saw no police, and I could not understand what the protestor said :(

you are correct...I first saw the vid in FB, searched for it in YT and linked it, but did not go to trouble to see t again.
In the original there are police on the end of the wall, just observing.
And when a protestor pass them by, he says "thank you"! ;D ;D ;D

FB link
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2326292011000786
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Mr. Bill on June 04, 2020, 01:42:07 PM
Mattis is held in very high regard by all the veterans I know personally.  I think his opinion is worthy of more than a "LOL".

Currently, the unrest is at the low end of what I remember from the Vietnam and Civil Rights era protests.  If it's true that 58% of the public supports putting the Army on our city streets (which I doubt), why could this be?  Any chance it's because the media are saturating us with images and stories of violence 24/7?  Gosh, I can't think of any other recent events that got blown all out of proportion due to media hype.

There's a threat that the violence may start to die down, but if Trump plays his cards right, we could probably have martial law or even a civil war by November.

Meanwhile, let's get those soldiers out there enforcing the stay-at-home orders.  Or do I mean curfews?  I'm having trouble remembering which is which.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: nkawtg on June 04, 2020, 02:19:30 PM
Mattis lost my regard!
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: nkawtg on June 04, 2020, 02:20:34 PM
This is making the rounds today...

Antifa terrorists to be bused to Sparta, Illinois with orders to burn farm houses and kill livestock in rural “white” areas

(Natural News) Today Natural News has learned that Antifa operatives are organizing a plan to bus large numbers of Antifa terrorists to the vicinity of Sparta, Illinois, where they will be directed to target rural white Americans by burning farm houses and killing livestock. The purpose of the attack, according to sources, is so that Antifa can send a message to white America that “not even rural whites are safe” from the reach of Antifa, and that if their radical left-wing demands are not yet, all of America will burn (not just the cities).

Sources tell Natural News that Antifa terrorists are currently expected to move along state routes 154 and 4, seeking out rural targets including isolated homes and farms to cause maximum mayhem and property destruction. Although our sources did not specifically mention the methods by which killing livestock would be accomplished, it seems almost certain that firearms would be the most effective way for Antifa terrorists to achieve that morbid goal....

Edited due to copyright issues -- please see here (http://thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/index.php?topic=20714.0) for Fair Use info.

https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-06-03-antifa-terrorists-sparta-illinois-burn-farmhouses-kill-livestock.html
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: LvsChant on June 04, 2020, 03:46:19 PM
Thanks for sharing nkawtg. I had no idea... I was seeing memes today about Antifa coming to Rural America which looked like a really bad idea for the thugs... but I wasn't thinking of states where they are largely disarmed.

Probably we should all be on alert this weekend. I'm certain they are not limiting this to such a small area of the US.

Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Mr. Bill on June 04, 2020, 04:09:52 PM
This is making the rounds today...

Antifa terrorists to be bused to Sparta, Illinois with orders to burn farm houses and kill livestock in rural “white” areas

There have been numerous reports like this.  Twitter staff traced one of them back to Identity Evropa, a white-power group.  I don't know the source of this one, but the fact that it's in Natural News tells me that it was selected for outrage/clickbait value rather than for verifiability.

[Also, please remember that it is illegal to repost entire articles here unless the copyright owner has given clear permission to do so.]
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: cmxterra on June 04, 2020, 04:11:05 PM
Any rioting moving to the suburbs is going to end badly for the rioters. Liberal Minneapolis is one thing but moving to the more conservative burbs will be a mistake. Liberal in general see violence as a sliding scale where as those with a more firm believe in the 2nd see it as an on/off switch. These rioters do not want to see that switch flipped.

Living in the Minneapolis Burbs.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: FreeLancer on June 04, 2020, 06:19:45 PM
Mattis is held in very high regard by all the veterans I know personally.  I think his opinion is worthy of more than a "LOL".

Former White House chief of staff, John Kelly, agrees:

“The president did not fire him. He did not ask for his resignation," Kelly, a retired Marine Corps general, said in an interview. "The president has clearly forgotten how it actually happened or is confused. The president tweeted a very positive tweet about Jim until he started to see on Fox News their interpretation of his letter. Then he got nasty. Jim Mattis is an honorable man."
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Docwatmo on June 04, 2020, 07:32:49 PM
I respect Mattis, I also agree with quite a bit of what he said.

I believe the high percentage of people that are agreeing with the use of troops to quell the terrorists is exactly that.  Both the good people on the left who do not initiate violence and loot, and damage property of innocents as well as the bulk of those on the right who feel the same toward the terrorists, and even people in the middle. (Hell, I'm a libertarian/anarchist) and when it comes to terrorists, since we won't be expanding liberty any under any left/right administration, and they have already stolen enough of my money in taxes to do "What they think is best for me".  I would rather see that money going to defending innocent people from terrorists, than bombing tents in 3rd world countries, or giving it away to other countries, or funding idiotic programs that serve no purpose.   

 The second you attack innocent people or their property, you are no longer a protester, you become a terrorist.  You are also no longer an american citizen if you attack innocent people and their property.   

Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Carver on June 04, 2020, 08:44:40 PM
Is the threat to go into the burbs and rural areas assumes they are conservatives, or don't they care? If you cruise in my part of the world around election time it looks pretty Democrat in small towns and countryside, and they are well-armed. So apparently this isn't a political offensive but simply a brown shirt terrorist threat. I guess you have to take everything serious now days no matter how ridiculous it sounds.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Docwatmo on June 05, 2020, 05:53:51 AM
I guess you have to take everything serious now days no matter how ridiculous it sounds.

This is pertinent.  With so many "Wack-a-loons" willing to harm innocents over ideology, even the dumbest looking basement dwelling antifa terrorist communist wannabe has the potential to be dangerous to innocents. 
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on June 05, 2020, 11:15:54 AM
The ANTIFA threat is real.  Talked to a local law enforcement officer yesterday.  ANTIFA is planning to infiltrate the peaceful rally near here this weekend.  They tried to loot a retailer earlier this week but law enforcement intercepted the communications and several of them were caught and arrested at the store, including an instigator from Florida.  Word is spreading through all the local businesses and many are now preparing to protect their establishments.  Local group hosting peaceful demonstration is on board with pointing them out. Police have been greenlit to do whatever is necessary to protect the public.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Greekman on June 05, 2020, 01:28:33 PM
all, what you are going through in the US is what happened on Greece in 2007 and 2012.
It was actually a move to overthrow the right wing governments of the time.
many things i can tell of the similarities.

remember these?
https://www.newsbeast.gr/greece/arthro/642504/i-mera-pou-kaike-i-athina

stand strong and chose to moral high ground. eventually the sickening plan will come to light.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: David in MN on June 05, 2020, 03:51:01 PM
Our attorney general Keith Ellison (whose pastimes include being photographed with his ANTIFA handbook and blaming the Jews for pretty much everything) upped the charges to 2nd degree. That's really stupid because it would require intent in the action and the autopsy didn't bear out that the improper knee to the neck was a cause in the death. We have to bear in mind that Floyd was high on narcotics, a smoker, tested positive for meth and COVID, and had a long history of cocaine use.

Had Ellison been smart (would that it were possible) and stuck to manslaughter he would only need prove a wreckless and wonton disregard for human life. That's a low hurdle when you tell jurors that a knee to the neck is not part of training and not an acceptable use of force. It's a slam dunk.

What will it look like if a jury tosses the murder 2? Ellison has chosen to put our community at risk by over-reaching the case if he fails and no justice is metered out.

It has been shocking how devoid of any real leadership Minneapolis has been. Not that I've seen great leadership in New York, Washington, or L.A. but we have been a remarkable failure and exported our issues in a bad way. I don't know why we can't have one elected person step up and lay out these exact concerns and calmly walk through what we will do moving forward. We're going to have to live together and have respect for one another to move past this and nobody is laying that road. Again, other than the mayor of St. Paul who will likely go to a national position because he has been pretty solid.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on June 05, 2020, 03:54:59 PM
Well, we are all set for supporting peaceful rallys and crushing any riots.  Every major political leader has made a statement calling for only a peaceful rally on the set path.  It has been made clear that any one causing trouble will be arrested and prosecuted to the highest extant possible. 

Lots of actions taken today.  The residents have brought in all flower pots, tables, etc. that can be used as impromptu weapons.  The big city flower pots have been heavily watered down so they cant be moved.  Patrols are picking up everything which has been dropped off so no piles of bricks or stones are left.  Fencing has been put up to give police an extended operating area.  Preparations have been made to direct out of state busses to secure preassigned area.  Horse patrols are set  to remove trouble makers identified by the peaceful rallyers.  Police have sent out statements to residents that scouts made up of off duty sheriff officers from surrounding areas are being posted on rooftops throughout area.  National guard armory is 10 minutes outside city.  Firefighters are on all hands status.  Pretty much every business has armed security ready and many residents are equally prepared.  Neighborhood watch groups are set to report any issues and the ham repeaters are being monitored to relay any needed information.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on June 05, 2020, 04:04:58 PM
Our attorney general Keith Ellison (whose pastimes include being photographed with his ANTIFA handbook and blaming the Jews for pretty much everything) upped the charges to 2nd degree. That's really stupid because it would require intent in the action and the autopsy didn't bear out that the improper knee to the neck was a cause in the death. We have to bear in mind that Floyd was high on narcotics, a smoker, tested positive for meth and COVID, and had a long history of cocaine use.

Minnessota Murder 2 doesnt require intent.  It includes causing someone’s death without intending the death of anyone, while committing a felony.  The felony can include felony assault which the video clearly shows.  Ironically, Murder 3 would be harder to prosecute in this case.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Mr. Bill on June 05, 2020, 04:14:25 PM
Meanwhile in Buffalo NY, police are doing their best to quell the violence.  Oh wait, I meant escalate.

Original video of 75-year-old activist Martin Gugino being pushed over and smacking his head on the pavement:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSBZGv5wzK4
You aren't allowed to view this without signing in and being old enough for Youtube's guidelines.

Slowed-down copy of the same video (still visible without signing in, for now):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N703XiJC_i0

This occured in broad daylight but a few minutes after the start of the 8PM curfew.

Newsweek article (6/5/20) about the victim:
Martin Gugino, Elderly Protester Shoved to the Ground By Police, Is a Longtime Peace Activist (https://www.newsweek.com/protest-martin-gugino-fall-police-1509083)

Gugino tweeted this a day before the incident:
Quote
Protests are exempt from curfews because Congress (and mayors) may make no laws that abridge the right of the people peaceably to assemble and complain to the government.

The government should receive the complaint with thanks, not arrest the people or beat them.

The Buffalo riot squad's response:
Buffalo News, 6/5/20: 57 members of Buffalo police riot response team resign (https://buffalonews.com/2020/06/05/57-members-of-buffalo-police-riot-response-team-resign/)

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All 57 of the members of the Buffalo Police Department's Emergency Response Team resigned Friday from the unit which responds to riots and other crowd control situations, the president of the union that represents Buffalo police officers told The Buffalo News. ...

The Emergency Response Team members have not quit the police department, but have stepped down from the tactical unit, according to the sources. ...

The union representing Buffalo police officers told its rank and file members Friday that the union would no longer pay for legal fees to defend police officers related to the protests...

"Our position is these officers were simply following orders from Deputy Police Commissioner Joseph Gramaglia to clear the square," said Buffalo Police Benevolent Association President John Evans. "It doesn't specify clear the square of men, 50 and under or 15 to 40. They were simply doing their job. I don't know how much contact was made. He did slip in my estimation. He fell backwards." ...

Evans said: "We stand behind those officers 100%."

The PBA will pay for any defense costs for the two officers, Evans said, but not for any members of the Emergency Response Team or SWAT in regards to the protesting. ...
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on June 05, 2020, 05:13:04 PM
Meanwhile, police are quickly suspended and under investigation while thugs continue to beat, maim, and kill innocent people and be let free to roam streets while some online root for them.

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/06/05/cuomo-applauds-suspension-of-buffalo-police-who-shoved-75-year-old-man.html (https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/06/05/cuomo-applauds-suspension-of-buffalo-police-who-shoved-75-year-old-man.html)
Cuomo applauds suspension of Buffalo cops who knocked down 75-year-old man

How about some justice for these people? 

https://mobile.twitter.com/PatrolRpd/status/1267202275895803904 (https://mobile.twitter.com/PatrolRpd/status/1267202275895803904)
https://mobile.twitter.com/WHAM1180/status/1267031930308104197 (https://mobile.twitter.com/WHAM1180/status/1267031930308104197)
https://mobile.twitter.com/notanalien4real/status/1267146204447748101 (https://mobile.twitter.com/notanalien4real/status/1267146204447748101)

Why dont their lives, liberty, and happiness matter?


Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Mr. Bill on June 05, 2020, 05:29:41 PM
It shouldn't be either/or.  Everyone deserves justice.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Docwatmo on June 05, 2020, 06:28:19 PM
The only "Either / Or" is good and bad.   Both sides have people doing bad.   Each and every person who is doing bad (Causing harm to innocent people) needs to be held accountable for their actions. Neither excuses the violence of the other side. 

We can be against police violence at the same time we are against the terrorists who are harming innocents and their property/livelihoods. 

Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on June 05, 2020, 07:07:20 PM
We can be against police violence at the same time we are against the terrorists who are harming innocents and their property/livelihoods.

Exactly.  So why are these terrrists being allowed to run free without any repercussions?  Why no justice for everyone they have harmed?
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Docwatmo on June 05, 2020, 07:43:37 PM
Just as the good cops who don't turn in the bad cops, the good protesters, who don't turn in the terrorists/rioters/looters and instead join them are the problem. 
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on June 06, 2020, 09:46:28 AM
Just as the good cops who don't turn in the bad cops, the good protesters, who don't turn in the terrorists/rioters/looters and instead join them are the problem.

But the peaceful protesters have been turning them in and in some instances risking life and limb to do so.  Multiple examples are shown earlier in thread.  Here is another:

https://baltimore.cbslocal.com/video/4574788-watch-video-shows-protesters-turn-in-person-who-threw-firework-at-police/ (https://baltimore.cbslocal.com/video/4574788-watch-video-shows-protesters-turn-in-person-who-threw-firework-at-police/)
WATCH: Video Shows Protesters Turn In Person Who Threw Firework At Police

But the politicians in many of these cities are ordering that they be released.  And the Biden campaign staff is funding bail for those that are so dangerous the police defy orders and arrest them.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/money/biden-staff-minneapolis-bail-donations (https://www.foxbusiness.com/money/biden-staff-minneapolis-bail-donations)
Biden staff donate to group that pays bail in riot-torn Minneapolis

On the plus side, more and more information is coming out about ANTIFA's tactics, training, and international funding, for example:

https://youtu.be/VLR76_e_koE (https://youtu.be/VLR76_e_koE)

So hopefully that will help turn the tide and all people who are for peace and civil rights in America will press for Justice and get them arrested and prosecuted.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on June 06, 2020, 09:49:32 AM
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Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on June 07, 2020, 12:19:31 PM
The rallys here went off without a hitch.  No buildings burnt down, no stores looted, no people beaten.  Just a large showing for redress of grievances.

Some things worked really well.  The business owners along the rally route set up water stations.  And the organizers had a popsicle social afterwards.  So heat related issues were kept to a minimum.  Police kept the heavy equipment out of sight behind a fenced in area so besides the rooftop scouts, their presence felt normal just like any other large event. A separate area was set aside for kids where they were given some type of chalk in squeeze bottles to color sidewalks on one of the main streets.  Much better idea than using kids as human shields as we have seen in riots elsewhere. Some of the LGBTQ priders came bringing their rainbow banners and other parade paraphernalia.  But to their credit they appeared to figure out it may be innappropriate given the somber tone and switched to carrying organizer's signs.

A couple dozen ANTIFA members showed up mostly in vehicles with Missouri license plates.  So the intel of a group from St. Louis coming proved correct.  They came donned in black from head to toe including black jeans and some wearing leather jackets and hoodies.  Given it was about 90 degrees outside and everyone locally was wearing bright colored t-shirts and shorts, they stood out like a sore thumb.  They checked out the situation then got back in the vehicles and left.  They didnt even stay for the silent moment.

The only really odd thing at the rally was a small group which stood out from everyone else and did their own thing.  They were dressed in medical scrubs and lab coats.  They claimed to represent the medical community and were primarily pushing for funding of additional abortion clinics.  Everyone thought they were odd and some thought disrespectful.  No-one seemed to know where they were from.  They claimed to be doctors and nurses but most appeared to be teenagers with just a few 20-somethings and a couple older than that.  The media reported they were "medical students" but apparently they declined to say from where.  Only a handful of them participated in the main rally.

Net, it is possible to gaurantee the right of citizens to peacefully assemble while curtailing violent riots.  It might not make for clickbaity media coverage but it gets the message heard and things moving in the right direction.

There was one more odd thing but it didnt happen at the rally.  It was reported by police that someone has been shopping using fake $20 bills.  Here is example incident from police report:

"Upon arriving officer spoke to the reporter. She is a manager at the store.  She reported that yesterday a cashier accepted two $20 bills that appear to be counterfeit. The store had already marked the bills with a counterfeit marker. The marks indicated they were counterfeit. Many of the markings on the bills are fuzzy and the back of the bill is a darker shade than it should be. No fibers were observed on the bills and they do seem to be thicker than a bill should be.
The reporter said they know which cashier the bills were accepted by but do not know which transaction the bills were used in. They do not have any suspect information."
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Mr. Bill on June 07, 2020, 02:51:40 PM
I'm seeing some hopeful signs about reduction of violence.  In our area, there was one tiny outburst, and a local armed citizens group immediately formed to protect local businesses.  On Friday, that group got together with Black Lives Matter leaders and local police to jointly announce they were working together against violence associated with the protest.  This is fairly amazing.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: David in MN on June 07, 2020, 03:23:46 PM
There's even some pushback in the terms of empathy for police. One of the 4 involved officers was on his 3rd shift and one on his 4th. So while their actions were bad there's at least some level of not wanting to go as hard against rookie officers.

The legal battle will be a tough one. MN law allows for neck restraint as long as pressure is not applied to the trachea (something I did not know) so there is at least a possible defense of training. Not sure if the spirit of the law was to use a neck restraint for 9 minutes but let's just say that within the legal context there's at least a possibility that it was in line with training despite how bad it looks to outsiders like me. And with the murder 2 charge you would need to show that an officer had intent to kill someone with a technique allowed by the state law. That's not an easy win.

I'm not sure how we as a community heal if the legal system starts kicking these counts because the state bowed to public pressure and over-charged. I do think the involved officer used excessive force but my standards aren't codified law. And while I can see it fine to give officers in their first week a slap on the wrist I'm not sure everyone here feels the same. But beware they will go into court saying they used a state approved restraint on a man resisting arrest who was on drugs and had a heart attack.

As time plays out this case looks more nuanced than I would have initially thought. I don't think it bodes well for public safety.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Morning Sunshine on June 07, 2020, 03:45:42 PM
As time plays out this case looks more nuanced than I would have initially thought. I don't think it bodes well for public safety.

That was my initial reaction.  I have learned to never trust the first week of sensational headlines.  I just cannot trust those.  There is nuance, and there are different POVs

Quote
There's even some pushback in the terms of empathy for police. One of the 4 involved officers was on his 3rd shift and one on his 4th. So while their actions were bad there's at least some level of not wanting to go as hard against rookie officers.

and I wonder how much of the offending officer's actions were to "show off" to and for his rookie partner - "look this is what you can get away with, and no damage."
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on June 07, 2020, 04:29:32 PM
and I wonder how much of the offending officer's actions were to "show off" to and for his rookie partner - "look this is what you can get away with, and no damage."

This is the most insightful theory I have heard.  Makes a lot of sense why he would continued for so long.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: David in MN on June 07, 2020, 05:25:38 PM
I'm also a little curious about the decision to send a rookie cop to the car of a convicted felon who has been reported to be on drugs. That officer saw something that made him draw his sidearm. So from the jump the use of force continuum was kinda ratcheted up. And while I might not like the choices made there were 2 other passengers left unscratched. And there are some possibilities such as Floyd  having COVID and spitting on people that would not make me believe what happened was OK but go a long way to explain how this went so disastrously wrong.

I do have the generalized belief that officers are showing up to the scene a little too amped up and I see that when I see cases like the 3 in Minneapolis, the Mesa AZ case or something like Eric Garner where any kind of de-escalation could have saved lives. And to hold to another pattern that bugs me it's not happening in our small towns. Unlike the stereotype of the small town sheriff hassling a guy passing through these are happening in our big cities under leadership that is 100% democrat who ran on police reform.

We've all had both positive and negative interactions with law enforcement. I am hopeful that the outcome here is to encourage changes from a systemic standpoint. Because the beat cop in New York was great when I was a little turned around. She got me going to the correct train and I was appreciative. I want officers to live where they work and feel part of the community. And I want to see less of a comply or die mindset because when the average people see you can snuff out a life for a loose cigarette or a fake $20 we rightly feel that the premium of human life has not been given high enough regard. I can't imagine that the overwhelming majority of people won't feel the same as me.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Carver on June 07, 2020, 07:05:23 PM
Aside from, and before the George Floyd crises the militarization of the police has been a concern for a number of years, or decades even. Drugs and gangs perhaps has a lot to do with it. Citizens want police to be tough on crime, but when innocent people are murdered in their own house due to wrong information from an unannounced swat team invasion, property is confiscated as a routine technique of funding and so forth then something has gone wrong. 
https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=militarization+of+police&ia=news (https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=militarization+of+police&ia=news)
I don't think anybody knows what "to protect and to serve" means or should mean, or if it is even a good idea.
https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=to+protect+and+to+serve&ia=web (https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=to+protect+and+to+serve&ia=web)
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: cmxterra on June 07, 2020, 09:46:10 PM
To add more fuel to the MN fire. Seems there is a veto proof majority in the city counsel that has pledged to disband the Minneapolis police.  That should quiet everything down up here. Not.

Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Carver on June 07, 2020, 10:12:26 PM
I'm pretty confident that I'm in a community that isn't going to follow their example. Minneapolis has become the ideological headquarters for global extremism.
What happens In Minneapolis isn't going to stay in Minneapolis.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Greekman on June 08, 2020, 01:58:38 AM
I do have the generalized belief that officers are showing up to the scene a little too amped up and I see that when I see cases like the 3 in Minneapolis, the Mesa AZ case or something like Eric Garner where any kind of de-escalation could have saved lives. And to hold to another pattern that bugs me it's not happening in our small towns. Unlike the stereotype of the small town sheriff hassling a guy passing through these are happening in our big cities under leadership that is 100% democrat who ran on police reform.

this chimes in with what with the eyes of a foreigner I am seeing in the US.
In the large cities. aka centers of power, the way the "state" (officials) is seeing the people is more like subjects than anything else. A true schism might have developed.
Policing will eventually fit the perceptions/belief of the city officials, and these cities being Democrat only enforces this, as the left is always state-centric.
Cops are to enforce the will of the state and not principles like honor, community etc.
Don't you get alarmed that in all the T series the cops start the bust by shouting "Do Not Resist"?

just my 2 cents worth...
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Greekman on June 08, 2020, 02:03:33 AM
..........

On the plus side, more and more information is coming out about ANTIFA's tactics, training, and international funding, for example:

https://youtu.be/VLR76_e_koE (https://youtu.be/VLR76_e_koE)
.......

all, what are yuo getting from this?
Me, maybe partial after socializing with a lot of people of the left, what i see in the video is the description of the "leaders" to fish stupid/eager/naive volunteers to commit violence on the behalf of. Sort of expendable accomplishes, that will soon be trapped in the mechanism of ANTIFA, while the big guys stand back and watch.

Am I overeaching in assumptions?
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Docwatmo on June 08, 2020, 05:50:43 AM
Living in the county seat, I have grown up with and am either related to, or close family friends with 1/2 the police force and 1/2 the Sheriffs office in my town.   The last county Sheriff who retired 2 years ago was a very close friend who I served in the guard with before I went active Army.

He used to tell me that police work was soooooooo boring 95% of the time, just drive around give tickets, do paperwork, serve papers, stand in courthouses, etc, etc.   That most of them were bored out of their minds, and any time anything even remotely crazy happened, they would all get excited and jump at the chance to go.  Adrenaline spiked etc.   He also told me that if I was ever in a self defense situation, I was in as much danger from cops on adrenaline as the bad guys so it was best to have my hands up the second they arrived.  (This was 20 some years ago when I got my carry permit)   

It's understandable, and human nature for some of what we observe in the cops.  However, once a situation is under control, there needs to be a de-escalation, and sometimes that doesn't happen, the adrenaline is still flowing and the officer is still hyped up and ready for a fight etc. 

Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on June 08, 2020, 06:03:14 AM
Don't you get alarmed that in all the T series the cops start the bust by shouting "Do Not Resist"?

Yep.  They are pushing peace officers to become compliance officers.  Peace is no longer a virtue. The mob is now supposed to be the new magnetic north.

all, what are yuo getting from this?
Me, maybe partial after socializing with a lot of people of the left, what i see in the video is the description of the "leaders" to fish stupid/eager/naive volunteers to commit violence on the behalf of. Sort of expendable accomplishes, that will soon be trapped in the mechanism of ANTIFA, while the big guys stand back and watch.

Am I overeaching in assumptions?

No, you are not overreaching.  They have become a cult.  They isolate mentally vulnerable kids from their families and friends so as to be able to brainwash them.  Most are underachievers who they promise a place in their new hierarchy after the revolution is won.  It is a communistic order merged with Nazism tactics
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on June 08, 2020, 08:30:44 AM
In case there is any question about what the riots are about.  Hint, it has nothing to do with Floyd or ending police brutality.

(https://i.redd.it/e1alhlmv0i351.png)
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Morning Sunshine on June 08, 2020, 08:31:51 AM
In case there is any question about what the riots are about.  Hint, it has nothing to do with Floyd or ending police brutality.

(https://i.redd.it/e1alhlmv0i351.png)

oh man... they are cruising for a war, aren't they?
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Carver on June 08, 2020, 09:03:46 AM
Lemmings.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Carver on June 08, 2020, 11:39:00 AM
a good listenhttps://youtu.be/RILRdOPH4S0 (https://youtu.be/RILRdOPH4S0)
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on June 08, 2020, 02:47:41 PM
The blowback begins. Check out video.

https://www.startribune.com/manufacturer-that-burned-during-mpls-riots-plans-to-relocate-from-city/571104922/ (https://www.startribune.com/manufacturer-that-burned-during-mpls-riots-plans-to-relocate-from-city/571104922/)
Manufacturer that burned as Minneapolis protests turned violent plans to relocate from city
'They didn't protect our people,' 7-Sigma owner says of city officials.


“They don’t care about my business,” said Kris Wyrobek, president and owner of 7-Sigma Inc., which has operated since 1987 at 2843 26th Av. in south Minneapolis. “They didn’t protect our people. We were all on our own.”

Wyrobek said the plant, which usually operates until 11 p.m., shut down about four hours early on the second night of the riots because he wanted to keep his workers out of harm’s way. He said a production supervisor and a maintenance worker who live in the neighborhood stuck around to keep watch over the business. He said they became alarmed when fire broke out at the $30 million Midtown Corner affordable housing apartment complex that was under construction next door.

“The fire engine was just sitting there, but they wouldn’t do anything,” Wyrobek said. “That’s the frustrating thing to us.”

Shortly after the riots, Gov. Tim Walz described the city’s response as an “abject failure.”
...
The Star Tribune recently obtained the city’s first survey of property damage, which shows that nearly 1,000 commercial properties in Minneapolis were damaged during the riots, including 52 businesses that were completely destroyed.

Owners and insurance experts estimate the costs of the damage could exceed $500 million. That would make the Twin Cities riots the second-costliest civil disturbance in U.S. history, trailing only those in Los Angeles in 1992, which were also sparked by racial tensions with police and had $1.4 billion in damages in today’s dollars.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on June 08, 2020, 04:00:02 PM
https://babylonbee.com/news/cnn-death-star-blows-up-alderaan-in-mostly-peaceful-demonstration (https://babylonbee.com/news/cnn-death-star-blows-up-alderaan-in-mostly-peaceful-demonstration)
CNN: 'Death Star Destroys Alderaan In Mostly Peaceful Demonstration'
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on June 08, 2020, 04:09:04 PM
On a serious note, let's hope ANTIFA doesn't learn where these wonderful girls live.

https://sports.yahoo.com/9-old-girl-raises-50-181740889.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/9-old-girl-raises-50-181740889.html)
9-Year-Old Girl Raises $50,000 for Minneapolis with Friendship Bracelet Fundraiser

As protests supporting racial equality took place across the country last week, Kamryn Johnson, a 9-year-old Minnesota resident, and her friends got together to figure out how to help support their community. The friends ultimately decided to make and sell friendship bracelets and donate all the proceeds to help Minneapolis residents in need. 
...
Kamryn’s bracelet drive has raised more than $50,000 for the people of Minneapolis. The family is donating all money raised to the Sanctuary Church Food Drive, the Kyle Rudolph Food and Supply Drive for Minneapolis, and supplying funds to help rebuild local businesses.
...
Her parents say the impact in their neighborhood is just as moving as the money they’ve been able to raise for the community. "Not only are we meeting some of these neighbors for the first time, we are going deep right away into the issues happening in the world right now," Kamryn's mother, Shani Johnson, said on Good Morning America.

"I don't know if they really ever fully understand the impact they're having until they're older about what a big deal this was. They're just loving well and serving well, and if we all do that, I don't know what this world can become."


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZ_k9WCWoAAt3iS?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Carver on June 08, 2020, 07:58:56 PM
One of my favorite commentators (Anthony Brian Logan) on current events: Minneapolis City Council Votes To DISMANTLE The POLICE!
https://youtu.be/l36zEDaWv8E (https://youtu.be/l36zEDaWv8E)

And now the police precinct arsonist is unmasked: Minnesota man hit with arson charge after police precinct burned down in George Floyd riots
https://www.foxnews.com/us/minnesota-man-arson-charge-police-precinct (https://www.foxnews.com/us/minnesota-man-arson-charge-police-precinct)

In other news:
Oh-oh, there goes the anti-gun agenda for the Democrats:
In fact, in the age of President Trump, firearm retailers across the nation have reported a rise in the number of African Americans interested in purchasing guns. As of recent, especially with social unrest across many inner cities, and now, radical leftists are attempting to defund and disband police forces, gun ownership among blacks is quickly gaining popularity, which could prove disastrous for anti-gun Democrats come election season.
The National African American Gun Association (NAAGA) has also reported an "explosion in the number of black gun owners nationwide," said The Daily Beast.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/black-gun-ownership-soars-nations-inner-cities-burn (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/black-gun-ownership-soars-nations-inner-cities-burn)

Meanwhile the Democrats are still struggling to get the hang of politicizing this tragic George Floyd event:
Author Obianuju Ekeocha posted a video demanding Democrats stop "virtue signalling" by wearing African cloth in the Capitol.

    "Excuse me, Democrats," she continued.

    "Don't treat Africans like we're children. These fabrics and these colorful things that we have within our culture and tradition, they all mean something to us. I know you look at us and you say, 'Oh, Africans are so cute in all of your colorful dresses.' Well, some of those dresses and patterns and colors and fabrics actually do mean something to us."

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/democrats-virtue-signaling-goes-11 (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/democrats-virtue-signaling-goes-11)
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Redman on June 09, 2020, 04:54:04 AM
I haven't followed this thread but my take away from this and everything else the Democrats have allegedly been behind since Trump has been President is simple. The Democrats have been shooting themselves in the butt, continue to do so and there isn't much left. Next will be above the shoulders.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on June 10, 2020, 09:03:16 AM
Check out this thread from on the ground coverage in Seattle

https://twitter.com/Julio_Rosas11/status/1270432529581932544?s=19 (https://twitter.com/Julio_Rosas11/status/1270432529581932544?s=19)

Again, this is clearly not about police reform.

And dont think the politicians are serious about reform.  They just want to strip police protection from the poor and middle classes to turn the police into their own exclusive security force paid for by the tax payers.

https://spectrumnews1.com/ca/la-west/news/2020/06/08/lapd-members-slam-city-council-over-private-security-details-amid-budget-cut (https://spectrumnews1.com/ca/la-west/news/2020/06/08/lapd-members-slam-city-council-over-private-security-details-amid-budget-cut)
LAPD Slam City Council Over Private Security Details Amid Budget Cut

While LA City Council President Nury Martinez was filing a motion last week seeking to cut $150 million from the LAPD budget, she had an LAPD unit standing watch outside her home providing her family with a private security detail since April.

The round-the-clock protection unit, often staffed by two officers, infuriated some members of the police force when Martinez introduced the motion, which reads in part:

“We need a vision for our city that says ‘there is going to be justice.’ American society is founded on a racial hierarchy, one that is born out of slavery, followed by Jim Crow segregation and corporate abuse of labor. As such, police departments are asked to enforce a system of laws that are designed to reinforce and maintain economic and racial inequality.”

“It’s kind of ironic. Here she is demanding $150 million be reallocated from the police budget, but yet she has security at her house by the Los Angeles Police Department,” said Det. Jamie McBride, who serves as director of the Los Angeles Police Protective League, the LAPD’s union.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: surfivor on June 11, 2020, 01:14:44 PM

yes, it's not the white supremacists who seem to be a problem and it seems like more and more people like Alex Jones have been basically correct in the long term analysis 
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on June 11, 2020, 10:49:13 PM
And dont think the politicians are serious about reform.  They just want to strip police protection from the poor and middle classes to turn the police into their own exclusive security force paid for by the tax payers.

Congressman Rush, who made a career out of leveraging his black panther past, got caught on video having the CPD guard his office during riots.  Now that video got out he is trying to save his street cred by reporting it as a breakin.  Nobody is buying it.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1230191 (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1230191)
Chicago police caught on tape 'lounging,' making popcorn in congressman's office amid looting
Around 13 officers entered the office of U.S. Rep. Bobby Rush at differing times as nearby businesses were targeted by looters,


Illinois Rep. Bobby Rush received a call that the office had been burglarized almost two weeks ago. Security footage didn't show burglars — but about eight officers “lounging” in the office, the Democrat said in a joint press conference with the mayor on Thursday.

Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on June 11, 2020, 11:09:33 PM
Very well could be.  His spouse is moving to dissolve their marriage.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/us/live-news/george-floyd-protest-updates-05-28-20/index.html (https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/us/live-news/george-floyd-protest-updates-05-28-20/index.html)
Accused officer’s wife files for dissolution of marriage, lawyer says

An attorney for Kellie Chauvin, the wife of ex-Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin, has filed for a dissolution of marriage, according to a statement from the Sekula Family Law office.
...
“This evening, I spoke with Kellie Chauvin and her family. She is devastated by Mr. Floyd’s death and her utmost sympathy lies with his family, with his loved ones and with everyone who is grieving this tragedy. She has filed for dissolution of her marriage to Derek Chauvin,” the statement said.
“While Ms. Chauvin has no children from her current marriage, she respectfully requests that her children, her elder parents, and her extended family be given safety and privacy during this difficult time.”


Apparently not a love triangle but they did butt heads. On radio they are saying Chauvin wasc recently short changed in his nightclub pay and got in argument with Floyd over it.  There goes any chance of a hate crime conviction. 

https://nypost.com/2020/06/10/george-floyd-derek-chauvin-bumped-heads-at-nightclub-coworker-says/amp/ (https://nypost.com/2020/06/10/george-floyd-derek-chauvin-bumped-heads-at-nightclub-coworker-says/amp/)
George Floyd, Derek Chauvin ‘bumped heads’ at nightclub, former co-worker says

George Floyd and Derek Chauvin reportedly “bumped heads” while working security together at a nightclub years before their fatal encounter.

A one-time co-worker at El Nuevo Rodeo on Lake Street in south Minneapolis revealed the duo’s purported shaky history in an interview with CBS Evening News.

The tension, David Pinney told the outlet, “has a lot to do with Derek being extremely aggressive within the club with some of the patrons, which was an issue.”

The owner of the club, Maya Santamaria, had previously told local outlet KSTP that Floyd and Chauvin overlapped shifts on popular music nights within the last year.

Santamaria said Chauvin stood guard outside, acting as the nightspot’s “off-duty police” for 17 years, while Floyd worked inside.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on June 12, 2020, 07:13:17 AM
As expected the two rookie cops are going to vigorously argue they were following orders to only observe in a dangerous situation.  Expect them to be offered a deal (e.g. charges dropped for agreeing to never be police offficers)  in exchange for testifying against the other two.

https://www.startribune.com/two-fired-minneapolis-police-officers-charged-in-george-floyd-death-cast-blame-on-derek-chauvin/571009922/ (https://www.startribune.com/two-fired-minneapolis-police-officers-charged-in-george-floyd-death-cast-blame-on-derek-chauvin/571009922/)
Two ex-Minneapolis police officers charged in George Floyd's death cast blame on more senior colleague
First appearances are typically procedural, but Thursday's hearings for three fired Minneapolis police officers quickly turned contentious.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Morning Sunshine on June 12, 2020, 07:16:00 AM
Apparently not a love triangle but they did butt heads. On radio they are saying Chauvin wasc recently short changed in his nightclub pay and got in argument with Floyd over it. 

if this is true, it looks like it might have been a cop with a personal vendetta against a guy.  That is all.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on June 12, 2020, 07:19:57 AM
if this is true, it looks like it might have been a cop with a personal vendetta against a guy.  That is all.

On radio they said the worker and his family lives were threaten so he has retracted the story, cancelled all media interviews, and stated he will make no statement about the situation. Other workers have said they too will not comment on their work relationship.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on June 12, 2020, 07:39:00 AM
Found his original statement.  It was corroborated by a second coworker who remained anonymous - smart move.

http://www.citypages.com/news/cbs-derek-chauvin-and-george-floyd-bumped-heads-at-el-nuevo-rodeo/571159281 (http://www.citypages.com/news/cbs-derek-chauvin-and-george-floyd-bumped-heads-at-el-nuevo-rodeo/571159281)
CBS: Derek Chauvin and George Floyd 'bumped heads' at El Nuevo Rodeo

David Pinney says he worked with both Floyd and Chauvin at El Nuevo Rodeo, and that they'd "bumped heads." As Pinney ("and another person," who remains unnamed) told correspondent Jeff Pegues, Chauvin "took issue" with how much he was paid out one night, and blamed Floyd, who'd merely handed Chauvin his paycheck.

"It's not George's responsibility of what [Chauvin] receives as pay," says Pinney, who adds that he made Chauvin leave the club when the cop's anger turned toward him.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on June 12, 2020, 08:19:33 AM
What Democratic Party really thinks about BLM. It's all for show.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/democrats-radical-black-lives-matter-memo-resurfaces.amp (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/democrats-radical-black-lives-matter-memo-resurfaces.amp)
Dems' confidential 2015 memo warned against interacting with 'radical' Black Lives Matter movement

The secretive document, first leaked in 2016 by the hacker "Guccifer 2.0," was characterized as insensitive and condescending at the time. Now, as Democrats are confronted with a newly resurgent Black Lives Matter (BLM) movement that has led politicians to kneel in kente cloths and changed free speech norms across the country, the memo threatens to undermine their stated commitment to reform following the in-custody death of George Floyd.
...
"This document should not be emailed or handed to anyone outside of the building," the memo from Troy Perry, a top DCCC official, begins. "Please only give campaign staff these best practices in meetings or over the phone."

Perry, who is black, goes on to characterize Black Lives Matter as a "radical movement to end 'anti-black racism.'"
...
Black Lives Matter advocates for a "collective ownership" economic model, reparations and the "immediate release" of everyone convicted of a drug offense, in addition to defunding police forces and other left-wing agenda items.

If approached by Black Lives Matter activists, Perry advises in the memo that House candidates offer to meet with them -- but that they shouldn't "offer support for concrete policy positions."

Under no circumstances, Perry says, should Democrats "say 'all lives matter' nor mention 'black-on-black crime.'"

"These are all viewed as red herring attacks," the document reads. "This response will garner additional media scrutiny and only anger BLM activists. This is the worst response."

Perry, now a political consultant, and the DCCC did not respond to Fox News' request for comment Thursday.

Reaction to the memo was scathing. Deray Mckesson, a prominent Black Lives Matter spokesperson, wrote in 2016: "The DNCC memo re: the movement highlights a serious lack of attention to issues related to black people.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on June 12, 2020, 06:17:45 PM
https://www.foxnews.com/us/national-guard-soldiers-found-glass-in-pizza.amp (https://www.foxnews.com/us/national-guard-soldiers-found-glass-in-pizza.amp)
National Guard soldiers found glass in pizza they ordered while deployed in DC, report says

Two soldiers from South Carolina’s National Guard who were recently deployed to the nation’s capital to quell unrest following the death of George Floyd reportedly found shards of glass baked into a pizza they had ordered there.

The startling discovery was made amid the dough and cheese after the pie arrived at the Marriott Marquis Hotel where the troops had been staying, according to The Post and Courier newspaper, citing a report from the Department of Defense.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on June 12, 2020, 11:36:55 PM
Pulitzer prize level journalism from the BBC.  Orwell couldnt have donecnewspeaknany better.i am sure the NYT and CNN are trying hard to hire them away.

(https://i.redd.it/4cz446snel351.jpg)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8398095/BBC-blasted-Black-Lives-Matter-protests-largely-peaceful-headline-despite-27-officers-injured.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8398095/BBC-blasted-Black-Lives-Matter-protests-largely-peaceful-headline-despite-27-officers-injured.html)
BBC blasted for headline saying Black Lives Matter protests in London were 'largely peaceful' after 27 police officers were injured

BBC under fire from Twitter users over Black Lives Matter protest headline
Headline prompted anger from politicians such as Brexit Party's Nigel Farage
BBC's headline was later changed to 'anti-racism protest leave 27 officers hurt'
It comes as 35 London officers injured across the week in anti-racism protests
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on June 13, 2020, 10:05:05 AM
Remember how the council supposedly had a veto-proof majority to immediately eliminate the police department?  Well after business owners and residents said they were withholding all taxes, they went into full retreat. Now they claim their hands are tied without a vote of the people.  In other words, the radicals on the board are setting it up for massive riots on election day since there is no way general public will vote for this.

https://nypost.com/2020/06/13/minneapolis-city-council-pitches-vote-on-elimination-of-police-department/amp/ (https://nypost.com/2020/06/13/minneapolis-city-council-pitches-vote-on-elimination-of-police-department/amp/)
Minneapolis City Council pitches vote on elimination of police department

Several in the Council have already promised to “dismantle” the department in the wake of nationwide protests following the police-custody killing of George Floyd in Minneapolis on Memorial Day.

“We are going to dismantle the Minneapolis Police Department and replace it with a transformative new model of public safety,” Council President Lisa Bender tweeted back on June 4.

But Bender and others who supported abolishing the police have since stressed that it could only happen after a year of planning and outreach.

Council Member Jeremiah Ellison, who supports the department’s dismantling, told the Star Tribune the current charter provision mandating police staffing based on population is a significant roadblock for abolishing the city’s police force.

“Without [the charter provision’s removal], we can’t actually have an earnest yearlong conversation with the community that will mean anything,” Ellison told the paper.

“And by making this change, it doesn’t eliminate the police. … Until we have an emergency response system that is ready to deploy, we’re going to have police in its place.”

The Council and, the Minneapolis Charter Commission would have to act fast to add the measure to the ballot before an Aug. 21 deadline, the paper reported.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: David in MN on June 17, 2020, 07:40:29 AM
Heads up on this because it isn't being widely reported. In the wake of our protests many of the protesters took shelter at the Minneapolis Sheraton. Here's a story from Mother Jones which is as favorable as possible to the protesters.

https://www.motherjones.com/crime-justice/2020/06/minneapolis-sheraton-george-floyd-protests/

What they're barely showing in the photos is the physical damage done to the building. The normal guests had been evacuated so the entire building was left to protesters.

It would be impossible to know what proportion just crashed on a couch vs. what proportion were happy to wreck the place but it goes more to a physical safety concern that staying in a downtown protest adjacent hotel probably isn't a good idea.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Carver on June 17, 2020, 08:04:48 AM
Let's see what Powderhorn Park will look like after they've squatted there for awhile:
‘We Need A Place To Put People’: Residents Cleared Out Of Fmr. Sheraton Hotel Turned Shelter
https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2020/06/12/we-need-a-place-to-put-people-residents-cleared-out-of-fmr-sheraton-hotel-turned-shelter/ (https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2020/06/12/we-need-a-place-to-put-people-residents-cleared-out-of-fmr-sheraton-hotel-turned-shelter/)
This hits home, we lived two blocks away from the park and in the summer that is where kids went to ride bikes, play ball, etc. The 4th of July celebrations attracted people from all over and every square inch of lawn was filled with blankets for the fireworks. Due to riots in the late 60's that all came to an end. Today I wouldn't have children be anywhere near the park with the present habitats of unknown character "living" there. Minneapolis, oh Minneapolis, what happened?
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on June 18, 2020, 02:38:56 PM
https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/atlanta/17-year-old-raises-160k-help-black-owned-businesses-damaged-protests/7HVGRDTGUVD6DAVHRG5Q4HOU2A/ (https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/atlanta/17-year-old-raises-160k-help-black-owned-businesses-damaged-protests/7HVGRDTGUVD6DAVHRG5Q4HOU2A/)
17-year-old raises $160k to help black-owned businesses damaged in protests

A metro Atlanta teenager is working to help local black-owned businesses recover from protests, raising thousands of dollars online for stores to make repairs.

Channel 2′s Kristen Holloway talked to 17-year-old CJ Pearson, who raised more than $160,000 in the course of just a week.

On Thursday, Pearson handed a $10,000 check to the owners of Wilbourn Sisters Designs. The owners said the money will help tremendously after their store suffered significant damages during protests after the death of George Floyd.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Carver on June 18, 2020, 05:30:35 PM
Atlanta Wendy's arsonist were white women.
https://www.11alive.com/article/news/crime/fire-suspect-wendys-atlanta/85-02984f03-6d42-4181-8ddd-c6a1869fae52 (https://www.11alive.com/article/news/crime/fire-suspect-wendys-atlanta/85-02984f03-6d42-4181-8ddd-c6a1869fae52)
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Carver on June 23, 2020, 08:17:35 AM
Rise In Mpls. Shootings Alarm City Leaders
https://youtu.be/IjuC1usjBso (https://youtu.be/IjuC1usjBso)

Not looking good for Mpls.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on June 23, 2020, 08:27:34 PM
Must watch video!

Bellevue WA Police annouced they have made dozens of arrests of looting rioters and hundreds more are incoming..  Through leads of public they have been identifying the ring leaders and have established "gang" ties.  They have also established links between the protest organizers and the rioters.  They also have uncovered that the lead organizers coordinated the riots in multiple cities across the country.  So while there was some opportunists, they were organized attacks primarily geared to dividing police attention.  They are pursuing fullscale unmasking and prosecuting.  Glad they set a lot of non-violent criminals free during covid scare because they are going to need a lot of room in prison for ANTIFA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiau2Gk8R2k&t=188s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiau2Gk8R2k&t=188s)
Bellevue police announce arrests in May 31 riots
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on June 24, 2020, 10:33:26 PM
Well, any chance of serious reform is now dead because of Democrats blocking it in the Senate.  Media is refusing to carry Senator Tim Scott's speech.  Youtube keeps removing the full speech, only allowing short cuts of sections.  Here it is.  Very important to watch to understand what is happening.

https://mobile.twitter.com/BlazeTV/status/1275934013023272965?s=09 (https://mobile.twitter.com/BlazeTV/status/1275934013023272965?s=09)
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on June 25, 2020, 02:40:24 PM
Justice for George Floyd has been cancelled.  Co-founder and leader of largest chapter of Black Live Matters just admitted it is a conspiracy by them to use this for profit and establishment of a sovereign ethno-state.  Havent heard anything like this since Idi Amin, the Butcher of Uganda.

https://nypost.com/2020/06/25/blm-leader-if-change-doesnt-happen-we-will-burn-down-this-system/ (https://nypost.com/2020/06/25/blm-leader-if-change-doesnt-happen-we-will-burn-down-this-system/)
BLM leader: If change doesn’t happen, then ‘we will burn down this system’

“If this country doesn’t give us what we want, then we will burn down this system and replace it. All right? And I could be speaking figuratively. I could be speaking literally. It’s a matter of interpretation,” Hawk Newsome said during an interview Wednesday evening on “The Story” with Martha MacCallum.

“Let’s be very real,” he told the Fox News host. “Let’s observe the history of the 1960s, when black people were rioting. We had the highest growth in wealth, in property ownership. Think about the last few weeks since we started protesting.
...
He said in past incidents involving fatal encounters with citizens, police officers were always allowed due process, but when people begin to destroy property, things change.

“What is this country rewarding? What behavior is it listening to? Obviously not marching. But when people get aggressive and they escalate their protests, cops get fired
...
this country is built upon violence. What was the American Revolution? What’s our diplomacy across the globe?”

“We go in and we blow up countries and we replace their leaders with leaders who we like. So for any American to accuse us of being violent is extremely hypocritical,” Newsome added.
...
As the interview concluded, Newsome added, “I just want black liberation, and black sovereignty. By any means necessary.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on June 26, 2020, 06:12:07 PM
Justice for George Floyd has been cancelled.

Democrats are not serious about justice at all.  Pelosi doesnt even know his name.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pelosi-misspeaks-police-reform-george-kirbys (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pelosi-misspeaks-police-reform-george-kirbys)
Pelosi says police reform bill is worthy of ‘George Kirby’s’ name

Pelosi was speaking to reporters and said Floyd’s brother asked her if the Democrats’ police reform bill would be named after George Floyd
...
“And I said 'I'll recommend that to the Judiciary Committee and to the Congressional Black Caucus who have shaped the bill, but I only will do that if you tell me that this legislation is worthy of George Kirby’s name,' and he said it is, and so we’re very proud, we’re very proud to carry that," she said.


Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: David in MN on June 26, 2020, 06:47:54 PM
Democrats are not serious about justice at all.  Pelosi doesnt even know his name.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pelosi-misspeaks-police-reform-george-kirbys (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pelosi-misspeaks-police-reform-george-kirbys)
Pelosi says police reform bill is worthy of ‘George Kirby’s’ name

Pelosi was speaking to reporters and said Floyd’s brother asked her if the Democrats’ police reform bill would be named after George Floyd
...
“And I said 'I'll recommend that to the Judiciary Committee and to the Congressional Black Caucus who have shaped the bill, but I only will do that if you tell me that this legislation is worthy of George Kirby’s name,' and he said it is, and so we’re very proud, we’re very proud to carry that," she said.


She was once a stalwart of the senate who could rally troops, so to speak. I don't know how the democrats have circled around Pelosi, Biden, and Ginsberg who are all seeming to show their age. You've got to see a boxer who has been knocked out too many times and bench him. I saw this with the republicans during the years of McCain and Romney and it doesn't look good on the other side.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on June 26, 2020, 07:09:06 PM
I saw this with the republicans during the years of McCain and Romney and it doesn't look good on the other side.

Yes. i personally saw Dick Lugar's rapid decline.  Back then there was a hard stop because there was an expectation that a politician, no matter how established, had to debate. If they couldnt debate, they had to drop out.  Now they are allowed to hide.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on June 27, 2020, 12:18:58 PM
Now Schumer is calling him "Floyd Taylor" and "George Taylor".

https://twitter.com/jason_howerton/status/1276560108328235009?s=19 (https://twitter.com/jason_howerton/status/1276560108328235009?s=19)

And many African Americans are taking them to task for wearing the Kente cloths of the West African slave traders who captured people from other tribes and sold them into slavery.  Fitting.

(https://dw-wp-production.imgix.net/2020/06/GettyImages-1248255253.jpg)
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: David in MN on June 29, 2020, 12:51:30 PM
Getting back to local, there is a disturbing trend going on that nothing will change. Sure the city "defunded" the police but they're still on duty. They're talking about renaming the police but if their function isn't changed what good will it do? They may also change Chicago Ave to Floyd Ave which is again maybe nice but symbolic. The council also throws around interesting words like "community focused" or "compassionate" but again, those aren't policies. There have been a couple policies that would have some effect like treatment for drug offenses and mental health work rather than using the police. These aren't bad options as police shouldn't be the ones treating mentally ill on the streets and we all know how bad domestic calls can be.

But there needs to be more on the serious policy changes from the ground up. We could be talking about qualified immunity or the union both in how it protects bad officers and how much it gives to  the people who write the laws. We need out of the box ideas on how officers can safer deal with a criminal for all parties involved whether that means more training or something like a new less leathal option. None of this stuff.

And why are we only talking police? We should be talking about the DAs of this country and how rigged the court system is. Is it a fair fight if the DA can access limitless resources? How about telling a kid he can plead out for 5 years but if it goes to trial you'll ask for 20. That's not an honest negotiation. Hey ,here's a goofy one: How about that we talk about the Prison Guards Union lobbying to keep pot illegal?

None of these ideas are being pursued. It's a change the names smoke in mirrors act. And we don't need the smartest people on it. I'm just some yutz on the internet.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Carver on June 29, 2020, 01:17:10 PM
Some good ideas there, I had a friend that was a cop in a small town and he said by far the most dangerous and unpredictable situations were domestic. More than once a woman would call and they would show up to restrain the man and the woman would turn on the police.

I think the less-than-lethal idea has to be considered; taking a person's life over $20 resulting in riots is cause enough.

We are being so rapidly caught up in a civil war that nobody has time to think about it.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on June 29, 2020, 06:27:28 PM
Serial BLM ANTIFA rioter rejected by non-violent protesters, randomly fires gun in crowd hitting one in head killing him.  Luckily, there was reportedly a counterprotester there who returned fire stopping him from killing others and police were able to seize him.

https://news.yahoo.com/man-charged-fatal-louisville-shooting-132833400.html (https://news.yahoo.com/man-charged-fatal-louisville-shooting-132833400.html)
Man Charged in Fatal Louisville Shooting Had Been Already Arrested Twice for Rioting

Steven Lopez, 23, is facing charges of murder and first-degree wanton endangerment, Louisville officials said in a Sunday press conference. Mayor Greg Fischer said Lopez was part of a crowd camping out in Jefferson Square, but had been asked to leave earlier by other protesters due to “disruptive behavior.”

Police chief Robert Schroeder added that Lopez had been arrested “a couple of times” in the past several weeks.
...
Video footage shows Lopez firing multiple times into the park, resulting in the death of Louisville resident Tyler Gerth, 27, who was shot in the head.
...
Camping in Jefferson Square Park is prohibited by the city, but had not been enforced to allow protesters to “come together to demand change,” Amy Hess, chief of public services said.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Carver on June 29, 2020, 06:41:20 PM
We are being so rapidly caught up in a civil war that nobody has time to think about it.
Nah, I don't think so. It's an attempt by Marxist revolutionaries to overthrow the government and they are getting a lot of support from useful idiots.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on June 30, 2020, 05:48:53 PM
In Provo a BLM extremist tried to execute an innocent person driving a car, shot into other vehicles, then hid weapon and continued rioting.

https://www.deseret.com/platform/amp/utah/2020/6/30/21308526/gunman-shot-driver-then-hid-weapon-continued-protest-provo-police-say-blm (https://www.deseret.com/platform/amp/utah/2020/6/30/21308526/gunman-shot-driver-then-hid-weapon-continued-protest-provo-police-say-blm)
Gunman shot driver, then hid weapon and continued to protest, Provo police say
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on July 01, 2020, 06:28:48 AM
While BLM burns down public housing for disadvantaged African Americans, it's leaders are becoming rich by funneling donations into their own pockets.

https://freebeacon.com/democrats/blm-activists-sent-pac-donations-to-their-own-companies-documents-show/ (https://freebeacon.com/democrats/blm-activists-sent-pac-donations-to-their-own-companies-documents-show/)
BLM Activists Are Funneling Donations Back to Their Own Companies, Documents Show
Shaun King's PAC gave $460,000 to consulting companies registered to PAC leaders
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Greekman on July 11, 2020, 02:58:19 AM
Seems Antifas should catch up on their history studies

Anti-Fascist, Trump protesters applaud speech comprised entirely of Hitler quotes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNMAp8kXWrc

Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on July 12, 2020, 09:49:04 AM
Who would have thought that burning down people's businesses and homes while beating, raping, and mudering them would be against their teachings?
Shocking.

https://amp.indystar.com/amp/5416737002 (https://amp.indystar.com/amp/5416737002)
Bishop who suspended Carmel priest criticizes Black Lives Matter organization

"I support those who choose to demonstrate peacefully in favor of social equality, equity and justice," Doherty of the Diocese of Lafayette-in-Indiana said in his latest statement Friday. "However, The Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation and Antifa promote beliefs and stances that directly contradict Catholic Church teachings."

He added that he has "never supported those who bring violence to otherwise peaceful demonstrations."
...
"The only lives that matter are their own and the only power they seek is their own," Rothrock wrote of Black Lives Matter organizers. "They are wolves in wolves clothing, masked thieves and bandits, seeking only to devour the life of the poor and profit from the fear of others. They are maggots and parasites at best, feeding off the isolation of addiction and broken families, and offering to replace any current frustration and anxiety with more misery and greater resentment."

He went on to say the church must oppose Black Lives Matter and Antifa and called both groups "serpents in the garden."

He also criticized the destruction of monuments and questioned whether Frederick Douglass and Martin Luther King Jr. would have been marching with the Black Lives Matter organizers because of the "alleged systematic racism."
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on July 12, 2020, 01:40:56 PM
https://youtu.be/3EGzOTrzPts (https://youtu.be/3EGzOTrzPts)
BLM Supporter Shoots Woman For Saying 'All Lives Matter' And News Tries To Cover It Up
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on July 15, 2020, 12:49:18 PM
This has everything to do with justice for George Floyd, right?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12113824/alaska-airlines-passenger-kill-everybody-jesus-black-man/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12113824/alaska-airlines-passenger-kill-everybody-jesus-black-man/)
Jet makes emergency landing after passenger’s threat to ‘kill everybody…unless you accept Jesus was a Black man’

AN ALASKA Airlines flight had to make an emergency landing on Saturday night after he allegedly threatened to “kill everybody ... unless you accept Jesus was a Black man.”

Flight 422 from Seattle, Washington, to Chicago, Illinois, took off just after 11pm but the flyer is accused of threatening people roughly 20 minutes into the flight.

“The man became extremely belligerent and physically aggressive during the ascent,” an Alaska Airlines spokesperson told The Sun on Monday.

Video from a passenger on the flight published by KING-TV shows the masked-man shouting at those onboard, telling them he’d kill them “in the name of Jesus.”

“I will kill everybody!” he shouted. “I will kill everybody on this plane unless you accept Jesus was a Black man.”

“Accept it! Die in the name of Jesus!” the man shouted as two passengers work together to grab him.


For the record, Jesus is recorded in all contemporary historical sources as a Galilean Semite.  So much so, that he wasnt easily discernable from his disciples (hence the need for the kiss by Judas to point him out).  To get a sense of the types of features Jesus might have had,  some forensic scientists created a composite sketch based on verified skulls from that region and historic records. They came up that the typical Galilean Semite from that time would look something like this:

(http://sundayexpress.co.ls/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/The-real-face-of-Jesus.jpg)

Of course, depending on degree of sun tan, the skin tone could be darker or lighter.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on July 15, 2020, 04:00:16 PM
More details on the ambush by BLM activists where young mom was murdered:

https://youtu.be/kCOjeox5PN4 (https://youtu.be/kCOjeox5PN4)
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: FreeLancer on July 15, 2020, 07:45:53 PM

(http://sundayexpress.co.ls/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/The-real-face-of-Jesus.jpg)


And all this time I thought we were praying to this guy with those peircing blue eyes....

(https://religionnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/thumbRNS-HEAD-OF-CHRIST-Sallman1-062420.jpg)
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Mr. Bill on July 17, 2020, 02:19:15 PM
Imagine that Obama is still president, and federal agents in unmarked vehicles are grabbing people off the city streets nowhere near any federal facilities, blindfolding them, and hauling them off without saying why they were arrested.  How would the prepper community react?

But no, it's okay when Trump does it.

OPB, updated 7/17/20: Federal Law Enforcement Use Unmarked Vehicles To Grab Protesters Off Portland Streets (https://www.opb.org/news/article/federal-law-enforcement-unmarked-vehicles-portland-protesters/)

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...Federal law enforcement officers have been using unmarked vehicles to drive around downtown Portland and detain protesters since at least July 14. Personal accounts and multiple videos posted online show the officers driving up to people, detaining individuals with no explanation of why they are being arrested, and driving off. ...

Officers from the U.S. Marshals Special Operations Group and Customs and Border Protection’s BORTAC, have been sent to Portland to protect federal property during the recent protests against racism and police brutality.

But interviews conducted by OPB show officers are also detaining people on Portland streets who aren’t near federal property, nor is it clear that all of the people being arrested have engaged in criminal activity. ...

Here's a Facebook post (https://www.facebook.com/robin.rennick/posts/3498952536802470) from an eyewitness:

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This is what is happening in Portland. This is what I am witnessing. My living room, with the two 5'x10' windows, overlooks one of the two parks closed (which are on adjacent blocks).

I have watched innocent people be shot with rubber bullets. I have watched innocent people be chased through the streets. The unmarked vehicles park on my street. They have blocked the exit to my parking garage, effectively trapping me in my home (since they shoot pedestrians in the area regardless of what said pedestrians are doing).

I want to be very, very clear. The responses I am seeing RIGHT NOW are more extreme than the very first night of protests in Portland. And a reminder - that first night there were thousands of people. The entirety of downtown was covered on graffiti. There were windows broken and property damage throughout the area. There were fires set in multiple locations. The courthouse was broken into and set on fire.

The responses from "federal agents" (there are credible claims that some of these people are from Blackwater but I can't verify them) to protesters are violent. Unprovoked. And they are drawing more protesters out. They were winding down. And now it's getting worse again. Now they are also protesting the fact the federal government is stomping all over civil rights and attacking civilians.

The scariest moment I have seen so far in months of riots and protests was a few nights ago, when in a thick cloud of tear gas, 8 people in full fatigues and gas masks engaged in clearing formations, with weapons raised and aimed, pursued and repeatedly shot innocent civilians fleeing the area. I know they were innocent because I had been watching them for over 30 minutes. I know they were fleeing because I saw them run. I know they were shot at because I heard the gunfire and the screams. I know it was tear gas because it leaks into my apartment.

This is what's real. There is no justification for what happened. None.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Docwatmo on July 17, 2020, 02:50:33 PM
Are they just randomly grabbing "innocent" people, or are the executing warrants on known individuals they have been looking for or tracking?

 
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: mountainmoma on July 17, 2020, 04:29:24 PM
What does trump have to do with it also ?  The president is not micro-managing and directing who federal officers are arresting --

Also, Im with DOCW and would like to see something substantiating taking random people off the street ! 

I am glad if they are actually looking for the people who have destroyed federal property
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on July 17, 2020, 05:54:51 PM
Just more fake news.  They are all identified and know by Oregan''s attorney general who asked for them.  They just are using rental vehicles as agents do when investigating in remote locations.  And they arent just randomly picking up people,  They are simply arresting people assaulting federal officers and destroying federal buildings.  Examples below.  Meanwhile, Obama got a complete pass by media for flying around drones killing Americans.

https://www.kgw.com/amp/article/news/investigations/who-are-these-federal-officers-sent-to-portland-to-deal-with-protesters/283-b2c3b375-cd6a-4e8a-b2c3-25cbbb911335 (https://www.kgw.com/amp/article/news/investigations/who-are-these-federal-officers-sent-to-portland-to-deal-with-protesters/283-b2c3b375-cd6a-4e8a-b2c3-25cbbb911335)
WHO ARE THESE FEDERAL OFFICERS SENT TO PORTLAND TO DEAL WITH PROTESTERS?
Interviews and court records help answer questions about the federal officers deployed to Portland.


Who are these federal officers?

Four federal law enforcement agencies including U.S. Marshals, Federal Protective Service, U.S. Customs and Border Protection and Homeland Security Investigations have rotated officers through Portland since early July. The U.S. Marshals Service is the lead agency.
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What are they protecting?
Federal officers are protecting federal property and personnel in downtown Portland including the Mark. O Hatfield federal courthouse, Pioneer Courthouse, the Edith Green-Wendell Wyatt Federal Building and Terry Schrunk Plaza. Local federal officers don’t have enough people to secure all federal buildings.

“We needed some assistance and got that assistance,” said Billy Williams, U.S. Attorney for Oregon.
...
How many arrests have the feds made?
Federal prosecutors said nearly a dozen people have been arrested. They’re facing a variety of charges from assault on federal officers to destruction of federal government property and disorderly conduct.

“They’re not protesters- they’re just lawless actors,” said Williams.

Recent cases involved one protester who allegedly attacked a federal agent with a large hammer. Another demonstrator is facing federal charges for allegedly shining a green laser at officers’ eyes causing temporary blurred vision.
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Who is holding federal officers accountable for their actions?

Federal law enforcement must comply with agency protocol and standards for use of force. The U.S. Marshals Services asked for an internal investigation of this weekend’s incident involving a federal officer’s use of a less-than-lethal round that struck and seriously injured a Portland protester. The case has been referred to the Department of Justice Office of Inspector General for review.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Mr. Bill on July 17, 2020, 06:03:06 PM
Are they just randomly grabbing "innocent" people, or are the executing warrants on known individuals they have been looking for or tracking?

Well, we don't know.  The individuals in the article say they were guilty of wearing black while walking home from a peaceful protest.  The feds say there are no records these people were ever arrested.  Videos show multiple incidents like this.

What does trump have to do with it also ?

I'm not talking about Trump, I'm talking about the prepper community which is apparently not up in arms about unmarked vehicles full of federal agents performing actions like this.

From the OPB article:

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...O’Shea said he ran when he saw people wearing camouflage jump out of an unmarked vehicle. He said he hid when a second unmarked van pursued him.

Video shot by O’Shea and provided to OPB shows a dark screen as O’Shea narrates the scene. Metadata from the video confirms the time and place of the protesters’ account.

“Feds are driving around, grabbing people off the streets,” O’Shea said on the video. “I didn’t do anything fucking wrong. I’m recording this. I had to let somebody know that this is what happens.”...

Blinded by his hat [which the officers had pulled over his face], in an unmarked minivan full of armed people dressed in camouflage and body armor who hadn’t identified themselves, Pettibone said he was driven around downtown before being unloaded inside a building. He wouldn’t learn until after his release that he had been inside the federal courthouse.

“It was basically a process of facing many walls and corners as they patted me down and took my picture and rummaged through my belongings,” Pettibone said. “One of them said, ‘This is a whole lot of nothing.’”

Pettibone said he was put into a cell. Soon after, two officers came in to read him his Miranda rights. They didn’t tell him why he was being arrested. He said they asked him if he wanted to waive his rights and answer some questions, but Pettibone declined and said he wanted a lawyer. The interview was terminated, and about 90 minutes later he was released. He said he did not receive any paperwork, citation or record of his arrest. ...

Doesn't something seem a little wrong here?  Or, looking at it another way, if a van full of people in camo tried to grab you, would you shoot in self-defense?
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on July 17, 2020, 06:09:48 PM
Police officer explains what is going on in Portland:

https://youtu.be/U71Yy5B8ghw (https://youtu.be/U71Yy5B8ghw)
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on July 17, 2020, 06:19:47 PM
Doesn't something seem a little wrong here?  Or, looking at it another way, if a van full of people in camo tried to grab you, would you shoot in self-defense?

Not at all.  How is arresting rioters who tried to burn down a federal courthouse wrong?  This is the safetest wsy to make these arrests.  I dont know many preppers out rioting, burning down property, etc,  Good discussion of it here:

https://youtu.be/tfhxBfcgZfQ (https://youtu.be/tfhxBfcgZfQ)
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: mountainmoma on July 17, 2020, 06:37:49 PM

I'm not talking about Trump, I'm talking about the prepper community which is apparently not up in arms about unmarked vehicles full of federal agents performing actions like this.

?

Maybe that is what you meant, but not what you said

you said

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But no, it's okay when Trump does it.

That is talking about President Trump, and says that there is something that he did

which made no sense, just sounds like TDS

So, now you are saying what you meant was either " it's ok when it happens during Trumps presidency " or " it's ok when it happens during a republican administration"  ?   
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on July 17, 2020, 06:55:55 PM
Meanwhile, the Portland Place couple who protected themselves and there home from a violent mob have had their weapons seized and are facing malicious legal actions from an activist prosecutor.  i think most preppers would be worried about this as it could be any one of us.

https://www.lawofficer.com/warrant-served-on-st-louis-couple/ (https://www.lawofficer.com/warrant-served-on-st-louis-couple/)
Warrant Served On St. Louis Couple Who Defended Private Property, Rifle Confiscated

Reports out of St. Louis indicate that law enforcement has allegedly served a search warrant on the St. Louis couple who recently defended their home when a large mob of angry demonstrators allegedly trespassed onto their private property.

“5 On Your Side has learned St. Louis police officers executed a search warrant Friday evening at the home of Mark and Patricia McCloskey, the Central West end couple who confronted protesters with weapons in June,” KSDK News reported. “Sources tell 5 On Your Side police seized one of the weapons, the rifle, from the couple and they told police their attorney has the pistol seen in photos.”
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Mr. Bill on July 17, 2020, 07:52:38 PM
“We needed some assistance and got that assistance,” said Billy Williams, U.S. Attorney for Oregon.
...
How many arrests have the feds made?
Federal prosecutors said nearly a dozen people have been arrested. They’re facing a variety of charges from assault on federal officers to destruction of federal government property and disorderly conduct.

“They’re not protesters- they’re just lawless actors,” said Williams.

KGW, 7/17/20: US Attorney for Oregon calls for investigation after reports of federal agents in unmarked vans hauling away protesters (https://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/protests/portland-protests-investigation-federal-agents-detaining-protesters/283-85fd157d-33e7-4c09-bac0-55fd5cb2a6b4)

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U.S. Attorney Billy Williams called for an investigation into federal officers who reportedly pulled Portland protesters off the street and into unmarked vans.

“Based on news accounts circulating that allege federal law enforcement detained two protesters without probable cause, I have requested the Department of Homeland Security Office of the Inspector General to open a separate investigation directed specifically at the actions of DHS personnel,” Williams said in a statement. ...

It's fake news, but the DHS Inspector General is going to investigate it.

How is arresting rioters who tried to burn down a federal courthouse wrong?

The two people I'm talking about were released.  So apparently there wasn't enough evidence that they tried to burn down anything.  But somehow there is no official record that they were arrested.  Why?

Maybe that is what you meant, but not what you said

I am sorry.  I said "But no, it's okay when Trump does it."  I should have said "But no, it's okay when federal law enforcement who were sent to Portland by Trump's order do it."  I did not mean that Trump was sitting in one of the unmarked vans chortling in glee while his camo-clad subordinates seized people.  I meant that many conservatives and many preppers, who were worrying about FEMA concentration camps when the Democrats were running things, are strangely accepting of federal crackdowns and lack of accountability when it's the liberals who are getting hauled away.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on July 17, 2020, 08:01:02 PM
I am shocked, SHOCKED! that this peaceful protester was plucked off the streets by unidentified federal agents.  It is the rise of pure fascism!  :sarcasm:

https://lawandcrime.com/crazy/man-stood-outside-door-hit-deputy-u-s-marshal-with-hammer-during-portland-protests-prosecutor/amp/ (https://lawandcrime.com/crazy/man-stood-outside-door-hit-deputy-u-s-marshal-with-hammer-during-portland-protests-prosecutor/amp/)
Man Stood Outside Door, Hit Deputy U.S. Marshal with Hammer During Portland Protests: Prosecutor

As seen on video, a man hit another individual using what seemed to be a hammer in Portland. The Department of Justice in the District of Oregon says that attacker is Texas man Jacob Michael Gaines, 23, and his target was a federal officer.

The defendant was seen using the tool to damage a barricaded entrance at the Hatfield Federal Courthouse, prosecutors said. Federal law enforcement was inside and tried to stop Gaines from breaching the barrier.

They tried to detain him, but the defendant hit a U.S. Marshals Service deputy three times using the hammer, authorities said.
...
As seen on video, another person and the man identified as Gaines leaned against a door. Law enforcement stormed out as the man apparently struck one of the officials multiple times using an object that does look an awful lot like a hammer.
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Gaines’s attorney of record, federal public defender Bryan Francesconi, declined to comment
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Portland police reported the allegation back on Saturday.

“Federal Officers reporting a subject was breaking down a door of the Federal Courthouse with a hammer creating a hole in the door,” they said. “Officers came out and one was deliberately struck in the head and shoulder with the hammer. An arrest was made. Pepper spray and CS gas deployed.”


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ec1p0yVWkAUwuPO?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ec1p0yTWkAM11bF?format=jpg&name=900x900)
(https://am22.mediaite.com/lc/cnt/uploads/2020/07/Jacob-Michael-Gaines-via-Multnomah-County-Sheriffs-Office-man-identified-as-Gaines-via-DOJ.jpg)
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: mountainmoma on July 17, 2020, 08:06:04 PM
People are detained based on probable cause and released without being arrested all the time.  There is a limit on how long they can be held without charges being filed.  The guy in the article complaining was off the streets for under 2 hours.  Most people are happy when they are detained, refuse to answer questions ( which could implicate themselves, so he did the correct thing and did not answer questions) and are then quickly released without charges or an arrest,  most of us think of this as a win -- especially when we were just leaving the scene of a riot.....


They always have to investigate, so they will make a couple calls, or make a file, doesnt mean they think anything bad is going on, but it is their job to double check that and to answer to citizens

But, when rioters are working to deface and destroy a federal building, every night, for a couple months, it is past time for something to be done and detainments/questioning, and arrests are all what should be happening.  I have read everything linked to and more -- So far, I have heard or read nothing that shows any rights being violated.  Non-violently taken into custody, I thought that is what people wanted to see.   Releasing a person quickly, no night spent uncomfortably in custody, they have decided they dont have enough on to press charges, and so did not arrest, also what people want to see.  Kind of funny that people would all dress alike to make it difficult to be identified individually, and then complain that federal officers may have trouble identifying them individually without detaining them and taking a closer look....
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: FreeLancer on July 18, 2020, 01:51:59 AM
I meant that many conservatives and many preppers, who were worrying about FEMA concentration camps when the Democrats were running things, are strangely accepting of federal crackdowns and lack of accountability when it's the liberals who are getting hauled away.

Funny how that works.....
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Docwatmo on July 18, 2020, 06:55:55 AM
Depends on who the "Victims" of the government are.  If they are innocent people stockpiling food and weapons without harming anyone or damaging property, then yes, the prepper community would be chastising the government for it's actions.  But when the "Victims" are terrorists who harm others, destroy innocent peoples property, interfere with the rights of others,  then the prepper community sees it as the state doing what it's supposed to do.    Not all preppers are anarchists who think the state is evil, most preppers tend to lean toward mini-archism where we understand we are stuck with the state, so we want it to be as least intrusive in innocent lives as possible, but to do the basic job of protecting us with the money it steals from us.   

What we are seeing here is that very case.    That's why nobody is up in arms when the state culls terrorists from the herd.   I guess it's all a matter of perspective.  Seems to be two sides.  Those who see terrorism against innocents as bad and needs to be culled, and those who see terrorism as "Ok" as long as it's done in the name of (Insert pet movement here), even if they harm innocents and their property. 
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: David in MN on July 18, 2020, 08:46:53 AM
Just a friendly reminder that for those of us on the ground floor this isn't some fun theory. It's unsafe to take my daughter to the college I met my wife at. Granted Minneapolis is a second tier city that will never rival a New York or Chicago or Dallas but for the foreseeable future Minneapolis is done. Whether you believe the police are on a rampage or you believe that the city council will prevent them from protecting you doesn't really matter. You can hold whatever reason you want but the conclusion is the same: going downtown is unsafe.

This is very close to home for my family. Up until 2020 we were season ticket holders at both the Guthrie Theater and the Ordway Theater and selectively bought shows at the Orpheum Theater. If the ~$100ish per ticket doesn't scare you enough we'd eat before the show at such places as James Beard winner Restaurant Alma, the Chambers, or get a "vault room" at BANK in the Westin. Yeah, dinner was ~$250. After the show we'd hit a bar or two in Nordeast on the way home for drinks and appetizers and before you know it we'd spend $500 on the night. That's fine with me because my wife loves the theater (minored in it in college) and I love food so to go paint the town red a few times per year is awesome.

So when I say that's all gone now... It is. If there are just 100 couples like us the basic math says Minneapolis lost $50,000 in revenue 6-8 times per year. And forget about the art shows where I would normally be selling woodwork and coming home broke because we bought 2 paintings, jewelry, and ceramics. That's all gone. And just a couple of events like the Uptown Art Fair and the Stone Arch Art Fair represent untold millions in revenue.

When I say Minneapolis will go through a very bad time because of all of this rightly or wrongly it will. I'm nervously anticipating that it will become a ghost town. It doesn't take much for those of us who put money into the city to stay home.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: mountainmoma on July 18, 2020, 11:11:57 AM
Funny how that works.....

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Quote from: Mr. Bill on Yesterday at 07:52:38 PM

    I meant that many conservatives and many preppers, who were worrying about FEMA concentration camps when the Democrats were running things, are strangely accepting of federal crackdowns and lack of accountability when it's the liberals who are getting hauled away.


Funny how that works.....

Political bias in treatment of the rioters ?  not in a more "crackdown" way, actually political motivations are what has let people throw fits and riot and destroy for a few months now without arrests or detainments for questioning, it should have been happening all along and shoudl be expected.  I have been in protests. Not these this year.  We have been giving this new group the wrong impression of what to expect, and now they are surprised, they are shocked to be taken into custody briefly, or arrested.  They should be stopped form destruction from the start.

I would think that we all know better by now than to take any headline seriously -- no matter the source.   I take it all with a grain of salt, actually read the article, then look for more information, and wait for more information to come out before over reacting, that has served me well the past few years.  Headlines are click bait, have to look to see what has basis


- No-one is being put in a FEMA camp.  DO you have nay information to the contrary ?  If anyone was, you bet people would be more than worried, they would be up in arms

- If you have any information about lack of accountability, please pass it on.  No-one is worried because there is nothing to be worried about -- I am keeping my eyes and ears open, so far, nothing. 
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Mr. Bill on July 18, 2020, 02:30:26 PM
- No-one is being put in a FEMA camp.  DO you have nay information to the contrary ?

Please don't twist my words.  No one is being put into a FEMA camp in 2020 (as far as we know).  No one was being put into FEMA camps between 2009-2016, but we had continuous fearmongering posts about how they were imminent, based on zero evidence.

Members with access to our archived boards can see these threads:

Merged Topics: The American Detention Camp Thread (http://thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/index.php?topic=2510.0)

FEMA Camps? For My 5 Grand Children? (http://thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/index.php?topic=3651.0)

revival of FEMA camps (http://thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/index.php?topic=15035.0)

The (original?) roots of the idea that we really do have FEMA camps out there (http://thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/index.php?topic=32496.0)

Coordinated preparations to turn malls into FEMA camps... (http://thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/index.php?topic=56166.0)

But now it's 2020, and we have continuous "isolated incidents" of militarized police and militarized federal law enforcement using violence against nonviolent protestors, and showing up with their identitification concealed allegedly to protect them from doxxing, and now using unmarked vehicles to detain people without explanation and whisk them off blindfolded to wherever... but this is just normal police action and nothing to worry about.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: David in MN on July 18, 2020, 03:11:22 PM
I can say with 100% confidence based on my wife's jury duty that the Minneapolis police routinely lease offices in the big buildings downtown. And they just sit up there and take photographs of everything.

So FEMA camps, not really. But there is definitely an eye of Sauron on you if you're in a big city. And I also get real weirded out by the incredible increase of undercover officers and cars which I would prefer to title as "secret police" which doesn't have such a nice ring to anyone who remembers East Germany.

I'll even go so far as to admit there is a systemic side to law enforcement. It's no big secret that marijuana was largely banned to oppress Mexicans, that Nixon used the drug war to entangle young liberals, that Obama used the tax law to oppress Christians, and so many other examples of fiat rule enforcement. I don't think I'll shock anyone by saying that "stop and frisk" was largely perpetrated on minorities and that's wrong. Likewise, I can predict death penalty cases based on the ethnicity and gender of the victim because in America it's more wrong to kill a white woman than a black man.

There's a lot we need to work through. Anyone who thinks this is easy is really fooling themself.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: LvsChant on July 18, 2020, 03:54:17 PM
There does seem to be a pattern of government overreach in some states/cities more than in others. For example, in NY, MI, CA, NM, and others, the lockdown rules are much more stringent upon non-protesters than in other places, such as TN, FL, TX, etc. The states with the most stringent lockdowns and infringement upon civil liberties do tend to be in Democrat-controlled regions, from what I can see. Why is that? And yet, the complete disconnect in those same regions between what is expected of the average citizen living his/her life vs. protesters looting/burning/etc. is hard to accept.

For example: I recently learned that the archdiocese of San Francisco was issued a cease-and-desist order by the city attorney because it was reported (by a helpful citizen) that some of the people attending Mass were not wearing masks and/or maintaining social distancing as mandated. That cease and desist order by the city forbids the public from attending indoor Masses and limits OUTDOOR Mass to no more than 12 people. At the same time, city buses are crowded with 50+ people at bus stops outside the affected churches, groups of people gather in large groups at Golden Gate State park every day with no masks and hundreds of people are free to go to Costco from 9-9 every day. The mayor addresses hundreds of people in protest gatherings at city hall. This is extreme overreach and actually seems to be a pretty dramatic infringement upon the right to worship freely.

I see no evidence of any Federal controls of this type now or in the future. Since FEMA is federal, I'm not too worried about it. Current policy seems to be to let individual states decide for themselves how to handle things in their own states, which I think is good. It's a lot easier for people in a particular city or state to vote out their leaders if they don't like the policies than it is on a federal level.

And I guess I'm wondering where most of those reports of militarized federal law enforcement actions against peaceful protesters are. I cannot really think of one that happened recently [disclaimer: I am not really a news junkie and haven't been looking for this type of thing, either, so I understand that something of this sort may have actually occurred]. And maybe it's because most of the protests are hardly peaceful when looking at a sort of macro level. An awful lot of people have been harmed by protesters and property damaged, so I'm not considering them to be peaceful if that is how they are conducting themselves.

If it is local law enforcement that is using militarized equipment or has requested assistance from a federal agency -- again, it is at a local level, so the local politicians should be held to account for it if it was used against peaceful protesters (which I doubt). If it was used to protect federal property, they are certainly within their mission to do so.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: FreeLancer on July 18, 2020, 04:16:09 PM
But now it's 2020, and we have continuous "isolated incidents" of militarized police and militarized federal law enforcement using violence against nonviolent protestors, and showing up with their identitification concealed allegedly to protect them from doxxing, and now using unmarked vehicles to detain people without explanation and whisk them off blindfolded to wherever... but this is just normal police action and nothing to worry about.

“Little Green Men” skulking around in minivans.....totally normal.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: surfivor on July 18, 2020, 08:05:55 PM
Police were militarized under Obama, no one I listen to was in favor of police militarization

FEMA camps were a concern based on alleged government plans of such things. There have been no direct instances of FEMA camp detentions. The real case of detention is with assange whom the left dislikes and whom trump has not helped because of fear of the left no doubt
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: surfivor on July 18, 2020, 09:09:48 PM
War like behavior ..

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/07/breaking-portland-antifa-blm-launch-explosives-federal-building-barricading-agents-inside/?fbclid=IwAR3f0orwxknZBLG5lEGRWxnfKRT5IF6ALIQWpSa-aIez8OlwpHe1NQwE_3o

Portland Antifa and Black Lives Matter launched explosives at the Federal Courthouse and Justice Center while attempting to barricade agents inside on the 50th night of riots in the ultra liberal city.
There was also severe violence against random citizens that they disagree with politically during Friday night’s chaos.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: David in MN on July 20, 2020, 07:33:04 AM
But now it's 2020, and we have continuous "isolated incidents" of militarized police and militarized federal law enforcement using violence against nonviolent protestors, and showing up with their identitification concealed allegedly to protect them from doxxing, and now using unmarked vehicles to detain people without explanation and whisk them off blindfolded to wherever... but this is just normal police action and nothing to worry about.

Actually way weirder. As I've dug into it, it seems that the actions were taken by some group in Customs and Border Patrol. That made me sit up because their job is really to protect the border from (primarily) terrorist threats and drug cartel violence. In other words, they really are a paramilitary group that ought not to be tasked with generalized policing within American cities.

Now one might say that we need to quell violent activity (and don't lie there's been plenty) but the method to escalate typically goes from a mayor to the governor to the National Guard. Not a federal agency going undercover on the city streets.

It also brings up some troubling questions with regard to the past. Did they coordinate with local police or leadership? Such a small thing was one of the big problems with Waco and maybe we haven't learned the lesson. Did they violate state rights? And I am a little sick of seeing these federal agencies overstep their bounds be it what we've seen with ATF, FBI, BLM, and now possibly CBP. How many 3 letter agency goon squads do we have?
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on July 20, 2020, 08:32:04 AM
Actually way weirder. As I've dug into it, it seems that the actions were taken by some group in Customs and Border Patrol. That made me sit up because their job is really to protect the border from (primarily) terrorist threats and drug cartel violence.
...
Such a small thing was one of the big problems with Waco and maybe we haven't learned the lesson. Did they violate state rights?

Why do you think it is odd that when rioters tried to fire bomb their office building, some officers came outside of it to defend it, and detain/arrest some of the perpetraitors?  Wouldnt it be more odd if they didnt?

This isnt anything like WACO or Ruby Ridge.  Neither of them were running around assaulting/killing officers or setting their marked vehicles and buildings on fire.  The agents in those cases invaded their homes.  Now it is reversed and equally as bad.

No state rights were violated.  The constitution gives clear authority for the federal government to protect its installations.  Sure, it is fair game to argue against the size and scope of these agencies. IMO we should abolish most of the alphabet soup.  But to think that officers should allow themselves and their colleagues to be murdured and terrorists to burn down the city center where they are located is nutty.  Officers have rights too.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on July 20, 2020, 08:56:23 AM
https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2020/07/anarchists-provoke-tear-gas-use-during-portland-protests-police-tell-oregon-lawmakers.html (https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2020/07/anarchists-provoke-tear-gas-use-during-portland-protests-police-tell-oregon-lawmakers.html)
Anarchists’ provoke tear gas use during Portland protests, police tell Oregon lawmakers

High-ranking Portland police officials told state lawmakers they’ve tried to de-escalate violence at nightly downtown protests but a small group of anarchists intentionally try to injure officers and require them to use tear gas and other munitions that affect entire crowds.

Portland Police Deputy Chief Chris Davis testified Friday that officers who face off with violence-prone demonstrators know “who a lot of them are,” but the risks are usually too high to forge into the crowd and immediately arrest people they see engaged in criminal activity.

“It’s very challenging to go into a large, dynamic crowd and pluck one person out of there without creating an even bigger problem for ourselves,” Davis said.
...
In their testimony, the pair characterized a small group of protesters who gather downtown each night as harboring “a very criminal element.” They portrayed officers, many of whom are outfitted in body armor, as at serious risk of dying from the impact of items protesters throw at them from a distance, including rocks, water bottles and fireworks. Davis said leaders of the group are “motivated by an anarchistic ideology.”
...
Davis told lawmakers while city and federal officers have no authority over what the other is doing, Portland police "try to coordinate as much as we can with the federal authorities."

He said a member of the Federal Protective Service has regularly been in the Portland Police command post during downtown demonstrations. This is as Mayor Ted Wheeler repeatedly says the city doesn’t want or need federal aid during protests.
...
Portland officers who control crowds have been subjected to it to know what it feels like and if people want to stop feeling its effects, “all you have to do is walk out of the area.”

Davis and Dobson said officers give several warnings and allow time for people to leave before they shoot out tear gas.

Dobson later likened some of the fireworks thrown toward Portland officers to improvised explosive devices like those deployed against U.S. soldiers in Iraq and said that several officers have reported permanent or temporary hearing loss.
...
“The water bottles aren’t just filled with water, often those water bottles are filled with urine or feces or some other kind of putrid type substance that they’re throwing at us,” Dobson said. “When we talk about fireworks, they’re not sparklers. These are fireworks that if they hit us and land correctly, they will kill us.”

Davis and Dobson said officers try to keep out of the crowd’s view during protests unless incidents escalate to where they feel they have to intervene. He cited the time when protesters set a fire in a dumpster next to the police bureau’s North precinct as a prime example of an urgent threat to officers’ lives that demanded police response.

“When it comes to de-escalation, we run the gamut, but at this point, we won’t present ourselves unless we have to,” Dobson said. “This group is an anarchist group who shows up with the purpose of continually poking at us and doing things until we do show our face and they present themselves so that they create life safety issues such as trying to burn a building down or hurting someone in the crowd.”
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: David in MN on July 20, 2020, 10:06:06 AM
Why do you think it is odd that when rioters tried to fire bomb their office building, some officers came outside of it to defend it, and detain/arrest some of the perpetraitors?  Wouldnt it be more odd if they didnt?

This isnt anything like WACO or Ruby Ridge.  Neither of them were running around assaulting/killing officers or setting their marked vehicles and buildings on fire.  The agents in those cases invaded their homes.  Now it is reversed and equally as bad.

No state rights were violated.  The constitution gives clear authority for the federal government to protect its installations.  Sure, it is fair game to argue against the size and scope of these agencies. IMO we should abolish most of the alphabet soup.  But to think that officers should allow themselves and their colleagues to be murdured and terrorists to burn down the city center where they are located is nutty.  Officers have rights too.

I wouldn't argue against that idea but they used tactics and gear that went well beyond that purpose. And while I guess at 80 miles from the coast Portland is within the 100 mile jurisdiction of CBP on paper it still feels wrong.

I can see both sides of the argument. Hopefully some of these concerns get addressed.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Docwatmo on July 20, 2020, 10:26:46 AM
I wouldn't argue against that idea but they used tactics and gear that went well beyond that purpose.

Actually the tactics and gear are exactly what I would expect if they was executing a warrant on a terrorist who who was hiding out inside a large crowd.  They go in fast and snatch and grab and leave before the mob can come together with overwhelming force.  If I had to arrest someone in that situation, I'd use the same tactics.  In and out as fast as possible, and as incognito as possible, yet fully prepared for the potential huge disparity of force that could occur if things go sideways.   
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: surfivor on July 20, 2020, 12:26:04 PM

hey, they are saying that feds where in unmarked vehicles without uniforms etc. Duh, that all came from 911, Bush, Obama police militarization so why don't they just change all that and get rid of unmarked vehicles and police militarization ? I'm all for it but this government and everyone in it is who did all that well before Trump came along.

That's probably one reason I left the democrat party, Obama didn't do squat to change what Bush started
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Docwatmo on July 20, 2020, 04:28:32 PM
The unmarked vehicles is a non issue.  The feds fly in, rent vehicles (They dont' drive their cars across the country, duh).  We can scratch the whole unmarked thing off the list, it's totally irrelevant. 

They are also not just runnign around "Snatching up innocent people" randomly off the street.  They are targeting people with warrants who are staying in groups in public areas in attempts to stay out of jail. 
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: surfivor on July 20, 2020, 05:45:48 PM
A number of years ago i started seeing feds or who knows who these guys where. They drive black SUVs with tinted windows. You would see them by the toll booths sometimes. If they get out of the car they have all black clothes with a black cap and no badges or any identifying anything. There's always unmarked police cars around too.  It's not something that I favor
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Mr. Bill on July 20, 2020, 09:04:55 PM
Can someone explain this video to me?

https://twitter.com/PDXzane/status/1284726088187310080

Apparently this protester's offense was to ask the federal officers "Why are you not honoring your oath to the Constitution?"

More from the Washington Post: A Navy vet asked federal officers in Portland to remember their oaths. Then they broke his hand. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/20/christopher-david-portland-protest-video/)
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Docwatmo on July 20, 2020, 09:13:42 PM
I guess 50 nights of rioting would take it's toll. 
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: mountainmoma on July 20, 2020, 10:18:14 PM
Can someone explain this video to me?

https://twitter.com/PDXzane/status/1284726088187310080

Apparently this protester's offense was to ask the federal officers "Why are you not honoring your oath to the Constitution?"

More from the Washington Post: A Navy vet asked federal officers in Portland to remember their oaths. Then they broke his hand. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/20/christopher-david-portland-protest-video/)

I heard that you need to see what happened before that video was shot, as usual.   There is a riot going on, they push back the rioters, then one finds a break in the line of rioters and goes up front to engage law enforcement, they asked him to get back, he did not, they pushed him and he stumbled back, and then he went forward in their faces again -- and the video clip we see starts now
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on July 21, 2020, 05:19:46 AM
Yep.  They are experts at conveniently clipping videos.  Just look at what they did to Covington Catholic kids.  But people get suckered into the fake news cycle again and agai by this tactic. Also it isn't clear but it looks like he was wearing one of the backpacks they were using to distribute the IEDs targetting the police area that nearly killed an officer just before.  Walking up to guards with a bomb potentially strapped to you isn't exactly conducive to conversation.

Community members are coming forward begging for city to be returned to them and that protests for George Floyd return rather than the riots for radical leftest causes.

https://www.kptv.com/news/they-dont-represent-me-community-members-condemn-nightly-violence-in-portland/article_4c6b17da-ca54-11ea-908a-cfd338b830d5.amp.html (https://www.kptv.com/news/they-dont-represent-me-community-members-condemn-nightly-violence-in-portland/article_4c6b17da-ca54-11ea-908a-cfd338b830d5.amp.html)
'They don't represent me': Community members condemn nightly violence in Portland

Local leaders and community members are condemning nightly violence in Portland that’s gone on for more than a month and a half.


Johnson is a Marine veteran and lives just about a block from the Justice Center and federal courthouse with all that’s gone on here the past month and a half he says he can’t even relax in his own home.

“On Friday night I counted 82 explosions house full of gas. I’m on the 12 floor here it reminded me of being in Iraq and my experience of being Iraq not here in Portland not where it’s supposed to be safe not where it’s supposed to be peaceful,” he said.

Johnson believes the demonstrators who act violently are taking advantage of the initial cause.

“These people aren’t about Black Lives and they don’t represent me,” he said.

FOX 12 asked Portland NAACP President E.D. Mondaine what he thinks of that.

“I think it’s the leftists co opting the black lives matter movement,” Mondaine said.

He says the nightly violence we’ve seen is part of an overall revolution but with a different agenda.

“We have to somehow bring it back on point and we’re going to have to have a bigger voice than that of the leftists that have co opted this movement to take the attention from what really matters and what really matters is justice,” he said.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Docwatmo on July 21, 2020, 08:01:57 AM
Yep.  They are experts at conveniently clipping videos.  Just look at what they did to Covington Catholic kids.  But people get suckered into the fake news cycle again and again by this tactic.


Ding, Ding, Ding, we have a winner.  There is always more to the story than the manipulators will show you.    This is one of the many reasons I take anything produced by mainstream media with a grain of salt and wait for the truth to come out, rather than the "Bit-O-Fake" that is generally produced to manipulate.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Mr. Bill on July 21, 2020, 08:58:48 AM
I guess 50 nights of rioting would take it's toll.

Those were federal law enforcement -- they had only been in Portland a few days at most.

I heard that you need to see what happened before that video was shot, as usual.   There is a riot going on, they push back the rioters, then one finds a break in the line of rioters and goes up front to engage law enforcement, they asked him to get back, he did not, they pushed him and he stumbled back, and then he went forward in their faces again -- and the video clip we see starts now

This is consistent with that the protester himself reported to the news -- except that "in their faces" means he was standing about 6 feet away from them, as you can see in the video.

Also it isn't clear but it looks like he was wearing one of the backpacks they were using to distribute the IEDs targetting the police area that nearly killed an officer just before.  Walking up to guards with a bomb potentially strapped to you isn't exactly conducive to conversation.

Now that is really imaginative.

If they thought he had a bomb, why did they hit him with a baton?  Why did they let him walk away without searching his backpack?
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on July 21, 2020, 10:26:04 AM
If they thought he had a bomb, why did they hit him with a baton?  Why did they let him walk away without searching his backpack?

Arresting them doesnt seem to do any good.  for last decade the radical prosecutor just lets them walk like in this case:

https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2012/09/officer_wounded_in_occupy_port.html (https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2012/09/officer_wounded_in_occupy_port.html)
Officer wounded in Occupy Portland melee receives award, standing ovation

And chances are, they were already distributed to the other rioters.  So he could have carried them in wearing his Navy shirt so as to not seem like one of the violent rioters.  Then after distributing them, he acted as a decoy and create a PR scene.  But the police wouldnt know if he was live or not.  So their only defense would be to push him away thereby creating distance so he couldnt deploy.

This is a common BLM/Antifa tactic.  They did the same thing with Molotovs in NewYork. There they had lawyers driving around in high price vehicles distributing them.  They want their mules to look as innocent as possible.  Luckily in New York they have better prosecutors there and the one perp was stupid enough to throw it herself into a police vehicle.

https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/ny-molotov-cocktail-george-floyd-protests-20200624-24el6hlodrhytm4omyjtu4pune-story.html (https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/ny-molotov-cocktail-george-floyd-protests-20200624-24el6hlodrhytm4omyjtu4pune-story.html)
Judge compares Molotov cocktail thrown at cop car to 1970 Weather Underground explosion

(https://www.nydailynews.com/resizer/wMYXQdOfk7OfSBjn3reLWDEcRHk=/1400x0/top/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/tronc/YIXFXPKL3BEQ7IMILNQLSC2NFM.jpg)
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on July 21, 2020, 10:33:22 AM
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/07/portland-protests-democratic-authorities-tacitly-endorse-violent-riots/amp/ (https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/07/portland-protests-democratic-authorities-tacitly-endorse-violent-riots/amp/)
The Disgrace of Portland

For months, Democratic authorities have tacitly endorsed violent riots.
If only mobs were allowed to destroy federal property without consequence.

Then, there wouldn’t have to be any dispute over federal agents defending a federal courthouse in Portland, Ore. It could simply be overrun and burned to the ground with no unwelcome resistance.

As it is, Portland’s mayor, Ted Wheeler, who presides over a city that has become a watchword over the years for left-wing thuggery unchecked by municipal authorities, has roused himself to state of high dudgeon — over federal officers trying to counter ongoing assaults on a federal building.
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Although the federal courthouse has done nothing to provoke protestors and has been standing at the same spot since 1997, it has been a constant target. Protestors have smashed its glass doors, covered its exterior with graffiti, and repeatedly attempted to light it on fire. This has been happening since at least early July.

True to form, protestors over the weekend took down fencing and lit a fire at the building’s entryway. As a statement from the Portland police put it, “dozens of people with shields, helmets, gas masks, umbrellas, bats, and hockey sticks approached the doors” of the courthouse — but surely it was just a misunderstanding that led the federal officers to believe they had to repulse them with tear gas.
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This isn’t hard: It is the people attacking federal property who bear moral responsibility for what’s happening in Portland. In all the cities around the country where nihilistic mobs aren’t trying to burn down symbols of our justice system, there’s no enhanced presence of federal officers.

The feds haven’t been wearing badges with their names and have been using unmarked cars — for fear of retaliation against the officers involved and mob actions against vehicles. Both are unquestionably legal tactics. According to DHS, the officers are wearing the insignias of their agencies and unique identifiers; they are arresting only people suspected of involvement of attacks on federal property; and they are identifying themselves to arrestees, although not to crowds.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: mountainmoma on July 21, 2020, 10:56:38 AM
Those were federal law enforcement -- they had only been in Portland a few days at most.

This is consistent with that the protester himself reported to the news -- except that "in their faces" means he was standing about 6 feet away from them, as you can see in the video.



How many times do they have to tell someone to get back behind the yellow caution tape or whatever other marker they happened to be using ?  WHy did he not listen to instructions to back away ?  Why did he come right back up to them after he was pushed away ?  Why did he not leave even when hit once ?  Who is realy liable for injuries when he wants to be hit ? When being pushed away did not work, when being hit did not work, they stopped hitting and used spray....  What they did not do was gang up and beat him - they were trying to use least force to have him stay back behind the  boundry they were asking for

It is realy easy for a bunch of keyboard quarterbacks to say that being 6 feet away is not a threat, but they were faced with a mob, and if one of the mob escapes the boundry and is up that close and is not stopped, the others will follow.  They are allowed to have safe distance from a mob.   This was not some lone person being conversational, this was in the middle of an active riot and is one person who for a minute broke thru the line of the mob specifically to be confrontational, he was part of the rioting mob
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Mr. Bill on July 21, 2020, 02:46:24 PM
I'm just curious where there is anybody on the forum who thinks that the reaction of these specific federal law enforcement personnel to this specific protester was inappropriate.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: FreeLancer on July 21, 2020, 02:53:16 PM
I'm just curious where there is anybody on the forum who thinks that the reaction of these specific federal law enforcement personnel to this specific protester was inappropriate.

It is inappropriate AF.

Just like it was inappropriate for Obama to send little green DHS goons to Malheur to deal with the vandalism/occupation of National Park property by antigovernment terrorists.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: surfivor on July 21, 2020, 03:43:41 PM
I'm just curious where there is anybody on the forum who thinks that the reaction of these specific federal law enforcement personnel to this specific protester was inappropriate.

I'm not totally sure what all the details are and haven't had time to try to make sense of it in great detail

It does seem like a lot of people have lost sympathy because they don't agree with the protests and riots

 I'm not too thrilled with these groups either but it is always a possibility that feds or police do bad things
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: David in MN on July 21, 2020, 05:02:03 PM
I'm just curious where there is anybody on the forum who thinks that the reaction of these specific federal law enforcement personnel to this specific protester was inappropriate.

I thought I had agreed that I at least have serious problems with a federal SWAT team enforcing the law using their methods. That said I'll continue to believe their employ was a miscarriage of justice and a bad precedent unfortunately put into place between Bush and Obama.

One specific event... Always hard to judge until you know everything. But I'll agree I think it looks bad.

What will be more telling will be the paper trail created. Imagine how stupid they'll look if they brought in a militarized SWAT team in undercover vehicles with (at best) nametags covered and (at worst) no identification and their listed concern was "graffiti".

What I'm getting at is that there are a lot of bad possiblities for the feds and only one possible positive story. Let the story unfold.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: surfivor on July 21, 2020, 05:04:39 PM
Well there does seem to be a lot of articles claiming brutality and the like by feds including reason.com and Rand Paul. The rioters also seem pretty out of control at least some of them but if the feds are too heavy handed when its not required I fear it could reflect badly on trump. Even if the rioters do bad things, I am not  sure what the objective s of the feds are supposed to be or if it just reflects poor training under DHS for years or what
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: surfivor on July 21, 2020, 09:03:02 PM
This may have the characteristics of a war. Many might overlook or downplay brutality of the feds due to extreme dislike of the leftist rioters etc and leftist violence

The end result can be a volatile and dangerous situation like most wars
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Docwatmo on July 22, 2020, 05:24:34 AM
Another thing to remember, a few individual incidents like this one do not dictate the entirety of the response to 50 days of violent riots.  For every 1 person who oversteps and gets excessive, there are hundreds for days who did not.     These minute incidences are not the entire response.  These are human being also, prone to mistakes, or misinterpretations of peoples actions, etc.   Like anything, if we strip out the few incidents, and look at the median.  Address the few individual incidents individually, not as "Indicators of the entire group", and we have a more realistic understanding of what's really going on.  Just like not all cops are bad, or all lefties are anti gun etc, etc. 

So, did this guy do anything to mandate a couple wacks with a baton and some pepper spray?  Maybe, maybe not (I haven't see the actions leading up to it so judging it based on a snip-it of the event isn't very realistic).  On principle based on this tiny snip-it of the event, I would say no.   But based on the actions of the bulk of the group, and the damage and destruction they are causing to innocents, realistically, his actions may very well make him culpable.  So rather than judge based on the tiny edit of video and judge the entire group of people trying to protect citizens and their property from the terrorists and rioters.  I take these incidents and drop them in one bucket, and put the bulk of the others in another bucket and deal with these individually. 
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Docwatmo on July 22, 2020, 05:36:56 AM
It is inappropriate AF.

Just like it was inappropriate for Obama to send little green DHS goons to Malheur to deal with the vandalism/occupation of National Park property by antigovernment terrorists.

What vandalism? and what innocent peoples property or innocent individuals were harmed?  (other than the protesters) That's the defining difference between terrorists/rioters and protesters.   Harm to innocents and their property.  They occupied government property, not private property, and they did not burn down or destroy the property, government or not.   If BLM occupied the Michigan police precinct over their misguided idea that all police are bad because of a relatively small number of incidents by individuals, they would not be seen as terrorists and rioters.  But when they burn and destroy and loot innocent peoples property, attack innocent people etc, they prove well beyond a reasonable doubt, that they are terrorists. 

It is incredibly simple to identify the difference between "protesters" and  "Terrorists/Rioters".    If you interfere with innocent peoples rights, if you harm innocent people, if you destroy or damage property of innocent people and steal from innocent people, you are not a protester.     Once we identify the difference between protester and terrorist/rioter, the rest gets pretty simple.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on July 22, 2020, 06:57:31 AM
Here is a better question.  Who here is willing to invite this crowd of "mostly peaceful" protesters to hold these rallies on their own property?

There, problem solved.  The "protesters" won't have to worry about any one interfering with their activities.  The residents of these cities can get back to living their lives rather than hiding in fear.  And the fed agencies no longer will have to worry about the safety of their staff, equipment, and facilities.

On separate note, legislation is being put forward to address this

https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/a-way-to-take-back-portland-11595373368 (https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/a-way-to-take-back-portland-11595373368)
A Way to Take Back Portland
My bill would hold officials accountable for failing to protect their constituents.
.

‘Every city, every town, burn the precinct to the ground,” read a sign in the “autonomous zone” Antifa rioters established in Portland, Ore. Another: “The only good cop is a dead one.”

The area radicals took over in Portland last week is the second autonomous zone lawless criminals have set up in the city during the eight weeks of riots since the death of George Floyd.

These radicals hate the police, reject the rule of law, and are intent on terrorizing their communities. In Seattle, police were forced to abandon the precinct building in “CHAZ” and city officials told the police they could respond to calls for help only in the event of mass casualties. Families and business owners were left to fend for themselves.

In Portland’s antifa-occupied land, Fox News reports, “businesses have racked up millions in property damage and lost sales, and hundreds of thousands of Portland residents have stayed off the streets for six weeks.”
...
This is not the American way. Local leaders who allow rioters to destroy lives and businesses need to be held accountable. That’s why I’m introducing the Restitution for Economic losses Caused by Leaders who Allow Insurrection and Mayhem Act—Reclaim for short. The bill would hold state and local officials liable when they abdicate their legal duty to protect the public in cases where death, serious bodily harm or significant property damage have occurred.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: FreeLancer on July 22, 2020, 08:32:28 AM
What vandalism? and what innocent peoples property or innocent individuals were harmed?  (other than the protesters) That's the defining difference between terrorists/rioters and protesters.   Harm to innocents and their property.  They occupied government property, not private property, and they did not burn down or destroy the property, government or not.   

Tell that to the innocent citizens of Burns, thirty miles away.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on July 22, 2020, 09:06:53 AM
More details on Seattle murder lawsuit.  Sure would have been nice if authorities intervened before all the murders, rapes, arsons, assaults, and burgularies by the "mostly peaceful" rioters happened. 

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/mother-of-19-year-old-fatally-shot-in-chop-zone-files-wrongful-death-claim-against-city/ (https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/mother-of-19-year-old-fatally-shot-in-chop-zone-files-wrongful-death-claim-against-city/)
Mother of 19-year-old fatally shot in CHOP zone files wrongful-death claim against city

The mother of a 19-year-old Seattle man fatally shot last month in the Capitol Hill Organized Protest (CHOP) zone filed a wrongful-death claim against the city of Seattle on Monday, alleging city officials created a dangerous environment by allowing protesters to occupy six city blocks and that police and fire officials failed to protect or medically assist her son.

The city has 60 days to respond to the claim before a federal lawsuit can be filed, according to attorneys representing Donnitta Sinclair Martin, the mother of Lorenzo Anderson. Anderson was shot multiple times early on June 20 at 10th Avenue and East Pine Street, near a boundary of the CHOP zone before it was cleared by police on July 1.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Mr. Bill on July 22, 2020, 09:26:59 AM
This may have the characteristics of a war. Many might overlook or downplay brutality of the feds due to extreme dislike of the leftist rioters etc and leftist violence

The end result can be a volatile and dangerous situation like most wars

Yes.  I'm very concerned about this.

Another thing to remember, a few individual incidents like this one do not dictate the entirety of the response to 50 days of violent riots.  For every 1 person who oversteps and gets excessive, there are hundreds for days who did not. ...

Exactly.  I want to see the protesters and the law enforcers judged by this same standard.  The individuals who committed offenses should be criminally charged.  Group punishment is the wrong way to go.

What is really happening in Portland?  Pick your favorite news source, and you'll get multiple completely different views.  The protesters are almost all peaceful and the officers are trying to punish them for exercising 1st amendment rights.  Or the rioters have committed 50 days of violence and the officers are risking their lives to restore peace.  Video snippets support both "realities".  Meanwhile, multiple groups are trying to hijack the situation (and escalate the violence) for their own benefit, which generally has little to do with the original issue (does anyone actually remember George Floyd anymore?).
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on July 22, 2020, 10:19:33 AM
Tell that to the innocent citizens of Burns, thirty miles away.

So, for equal application of the law, all the occupying rioters in Portland, Minneapolis, Seattle, etc. should be arrested and prosecuted in the same manner as those involved in the Malheur occupation?  Sounds fair.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Docwatmo on July 22, 2020, 10:32:33 AM

Exactly.  I want to see the protesters and the law enforcers judged by this same standard.  The individuals who committed offenses should be criminally charged.  Group punishment is the wrong way to go.


I agree 1000%  ,the feds should be rounding up the guilty, absolutely.  It's too bad the rioters and terrorists are making it so insanely difficult that they have to employ security tactics such as snatch and grab to net the guilty.  All the while being constantly interfered with by the rioters and even the so called "Protesters", who make the job even more difficult even if they don't cross the boundary between protester and terrorist.  (Although if they are interfering in the ability of the feds to arrest the guilty, then are't they aiding and abetting, thus making themselves guilty as well?).   If the protesters would assist the Feds in nabbing the guilty terrorists, everyone could win.   Protesters could protest in peace, and the feds would not be necessary, only the terrorists/rioters would be dealt with.  A true win/win. 

Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Docwatmo on July 22, 2020, 10:34:12 AM
Tell that to the innocent citizens of Burns, thirty miles away.

I'm not privy to anything about Burns.  What did the protesters damage in burns?   I'm doing some web searches for Malhheur occupation and Burns and not finding anything.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Mr. Bill on July 22, 2020, 02:46:13 PM
... and even the so called "Protesters", who make the job even more difficult even if they don't cross the boundary between protester and terrorist.  (Although if they are interfering in the ability of the feds to arrest the guilty, then are't they aiding and abetting, thus making themselves guilty as well?). ...

No, because this would make every member of the group responsible for the actions of the worst member of the group.  (Who could even be a provocateur.)  I'll give you an example from my hometown.

In the early days of the protests, we had one evening of minor violence (like a dozen people), and in response, someone used Facebook to organize a group of citizen defenders of private property.  These armed people helped to keep an eye on businesses that might be targeted.

A few days later, one of their members showed up at a peaceful daytime BLM protest, carrying an American flag and yelling "all lives matter".  Eventually a verbal confrontation ensued, and he dropped his flag on the ground and pulled out his handgun.  (He was arrested the next day.)

Would it be appropriate to charge all the members of the citizen defenders group with aiding and abetting this intimidation with a firearm?  Of course not.  That would effectively delete their second amendment right to provide armed defense.

It's similar for the protesters.  If peaceful protesters become liable for violent protesters, their first amendment right to protest peacefully would evaporate.

... If the protesters would assist the Feds in nabbing the guilty terrorists, everyone could win.   Protesters could protest in peace, and the feds would not be necessary, only the terrorists/rioters would be dealt with.  A true win/win.

It's a good idea, and I'd like to see it happen.  Unfortunately there is a lot of peer pressure, and probably threats of violence ("snitches get stitches") that may make this difficult.  I'd like to see all of them do the right thing, but the fact is, not all of them are good people.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: mountainmoma on July 22, 2020, 03:27:33 PM
No, because this would make every member of the group responsible for the actions of the worst member of the group.  (Who could even be a provocateur.)  I'll give you an example from my hometown.

In the early days of the protests, we had one evening of minor violence (like a dozen people), and in response, someone used Facebook to organize a group of citizen defenders of private property.  These armed people helped to keep an eye on businesses that might be targeted.

A few days later, one of their members showed up at a peaceful daytime BLM protest, carrying an American flag and yelling "all lives matter".  Eventually a verbal confrontation ensued, and he dropped his flag on the ground and pulled out his handgun.  (He was arrested the next day.)

Would it be appropriate to charge all the members of the citizen defenders group with aiding and abetting this intimidation with a firearm?  Of course not.  That would effectively delete their second amendment right to provide armed defense.

It's similar for the protesters.  If peaceful protesters become liable for violent protesters, their first amendment right to protest peacefully would evaporate.

It's a good idea, and I'd like to see it happen.  Unfortunately there is a lot of peer pressure, and probably threats of violence ("snitches get stitches") that may make this difficult.  I'd like to see all of them do the right thing, but the fact is, not all of them are good people.


Not equivalent.   He did this on a seperate day, on his own, the other ones werent even there, and so they definitely didnt shield him let alone aid him ! 

If what you thought was going to be a peaceful protest turns violent, and you do not condone nor want to be part of the riot, you leave.   I have been at protests, this is what you do, you distance yourself.  Back when the "blac bloc" contingent was the minority, you knew it was possible, you never stayed anywhere near them if you saw them, back then, they usually created mayham at the end or later after a peaceful march, if they showed at all.   I remember being too slow and being at the end of the day, end of the group and realized that they ( fore-runners to what we see now, used to call them blac bloc or those stupid black bandana kids...) were starting to swarm the scene.  SO, what you do then, if you do not want to be associated with them, is to leave, just take a right turn off of that main drag, quickly.  Also, do not show up as a peaceful marcher/protester wearing all black, a helmet, nor especially a black bandanna so that you will never risk being associated with that contingent.  Pretty simple realy.  just be a few blocks away before they start breaking windows, spray painting or whatever destruction they may be up to. 

I still maintain, if you do not condone or are not a part of the riot, what are you doing in the middle of it ?  How could you not be assumed to be part of it ?  You look the part, you are in the middle of it..... it is realy not that hard to leave.  Anyone whith a bot of sense knows you would be assumed to be part of the riot if you are there in teh middle of a riot
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: FreeLancer on July 22, 2020, 04:05:57 PM
I'm not privy to anything about Burns.  What did the protesters damage in burns?   I'm doing some web searches for Malhheur occupation and Burns and not finding anything.

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6589279/WA-House-Report-12-03-192058-Redacted.pdf (https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6589279/WA-House-Report-12-03-192058-Redacted.pdf)

This official report into WA Rep. Shea's participation details how the county seat of Burns, the Sheriff, and other officials were targeted and threatened before, during, and after the occupation by the various militia groups that swarmed the area.  They executed a DDOS attack on the county's 911 service, threatened bodily harm to officials carrying out their lawful duties, and were recorded on video tape discussing killing the families of the Forest Service staff stationed at Malheur.  Citizens of Burns who spoke out against the occupation were threatened, had tires slashed, many left town in fear for their safety.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Docwatmo on July 22, 2020, 04:52:45 PM
"various militia groups".  To include the people at the reserve?  Were they in both places. 

If any particular people made those threats and committed those actions, then yes they should be arrested and tried for their crimes. 
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: FreeLancer on July 22, 2020, 05:18:06 PM
Same "patriot" militia-types occupying the reserve and terrorizing the locals, and they were arrested and charged, no little green fed goons required.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Docwatmo on July 22, 2020, 06:09:52 PM
No, because this would make every member of the group responsible for the actions of the worst member of the group.  (Who could even be a provocateur.) 


Not saying blame them for the actions of the terrorists, only blame them for not doing anything about them while in their midst.  Either walking away or turning them in.  If they are too spinless to do even that little bit, why do they bother to protest at all?    Everything is a choice.  Choose wisely. 
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Docwatmo on July 22, 2020, 06:11:58 PM
Same "patriot" militia-types occupying the reserve and terrorizing the locals, and they were arrested and charged, no little green fed goons required.

Same people or just people from other groups.   "Militia -types" is a generalization of many people.  I'm asking about the individuals who occupied the preserve specifically. 

This is like saying that because some KKK types choose to vote republican, that republicans are KKK.   Which of course is absolute nonsense. 
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on July 22, 2020, 06:13:43 PM
Same style of IED attack that was implemented in Portland in the Christopher David incident was deployed in Chicago.  Uncut video here:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12187976/anarchists-hijack-peaceful-blm-protest-chicago/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12187976/anarchists-hijack-peaceful-blm-protest-chicago/)
HIDING IN PLAIN SIGHT ‘Anarchists’ hijack peaceful BLM protest and use umbrellas as shields as they throw missiles at cops

A GROUP of "anarchists" appeared to hijack a peaceful Black Lives Matter protest and throw fireworks and other missiles at cops protecting a Christopher Columbus statue.

Chicago cops released a video of surveillance footage from Friday's demo at Grant Park, showing some protesters using black umbrellas to shield themselves as they changed into black clothing and masks.

Clad in black and still holding umbrellas, the group is shown approaching police standing around the statue and throwing fireworks, rocks, frozen water bottles and other articles at the officers.

In a press conference on Monday, Police Superintendent David Brown said that officers were confronted with mob action “designed to provoke violent responses.”

“We cannot assume that protests are going to be peaceful, based on these actions and others,” he said.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: surfivor on July 22, 2020, 06:27:30 PM
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6589279/WA-House-Report-12-03-192058-Redacted.pdf (https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6589279/WA-House-Report-12-03-192058-Redacted.pdf)

This official report into WA Rep. Shea's participation details how the county seat of Burns, the Sheriff, and other officials were targeted and threatened before, during, and after the occupation by the various militia groups that swarmed the area.  They executed a DDOS attack on the county's 911 service, threatened bodily harm to officials carrying out their lawful duties, and were recorded on video tape discussing killing the families of the Forest Service staff stationed at Malheur.  Citizens of Burns who spoke out against the occupation were threatened, had tires slashed, many left town in fear for their safety.

The government lost the case in court because half or more, possibly the majority of the occupiers were FBI informants. The impression from the news was mostly that they occupied the refuge. If there was property damage, it didn't get much or any coverage or wasn't significant I suppose
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: FreeLancer on July 22, 2020, 06:39:41 PM
Same people or just people from other groups.   "Militia -types" is a generalization of many people.  I'm asking about the individuals who occupied the preserve specifically. 

This is like saying that because some KKK types choose to vote republican, that republicans are KKK.   Which of course is absolute nonsense.

Read the report....
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on July 22, 2020, 06:54:04 PM
Same style of IED attack that was implemented in Portland in the Christopher David incident was deployed in Chicago.

The social media platforms keep taking down the videos of the Portland attacks on officers.  But here is a video you can view now before it is removed:

https://youtu.be/ZPIxOTH8N0I (https://youtu.be/ZPIxOTH8N0I)

Note the people like David wearing non-black clothing and backpacks distributing the IEDs.  The umbrella squaud  provides cover and the camera crews set up to get officer response on video.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: surfivor on July 22, 2020, 11:48:20 PM
These rioters have apparently in some cases injured or killed people in cities all across the country and have caused large scale property damage. People are fearful in some places. It doesn't seem particularly isolated to any one urban area. It doesn't seem hard to believe that police have been attacked

I would expect that there are people everywhere who have been urging Trump to take action and not surprisingly there are many people who don't feel sympathy for the rioters but I will not say myself that police brutality never happens or that in a situation that seems like a war that it might not become a bit widespread

Local governments have not often seemed to want to do much but it must be that quite a few citizens want something done aside form constitutional aspects which I am not always certain of
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on July 23, 2020, 06:49:59 AM
Local governments have not often seemed to want to do much but it must be that quite a few citizens want something done

Their voices are ignored by these politicians who wield chaos as a political tool.  They are very happy to let them all be victims if it advances their sgenda.  Quite a debate on The Five yesterday on that point:

https://youtu.be/U5VP9UE9s0k (https://youtu.be/U5VP9UE9s0k)
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: mountainmoma on July 23, 2020, 08:59:29 AM
The social media platforms keep taking down the videos of the Portland attacks on officers.  But here is a video you can view now before it is removed:

https://youtu.be/ZPIxOTH8N0I (https://youtu.be/ZPIxOTH8N0I)

Note the people like David wearing non-black clothing and backpacks distributing the IEDs.  The umbrella squaud  provides cover and the camera crews set up to get officer response on video.

I still do not think it was a good idea that we let rioters get away with rioting,  it is kind of like not disciplining a child, then all of a sudden, you discipline them form something yu have been ignoring.   

These people in the video are just loving the feeling of power, that no-one can do anything to stop them.   

So, the real question, to anyone here seeing this video is shoudl we be letting this happen, and what should be done to stop them ? 

I think Portland should be calling inthe national guard and doing something now.  Warn them. Then do it.  All of them arrested, if htey dont leave.  The nightly crowd dispursed nightly, with escalated less lethal.  If you are there you are agreeing to riot and take your chances on being hurt.   Less lethal rounds, fire hoses, whatever.  The complete lawlessness and destruction needs to stop.  This is not a protest, it is a nightly riot. 

ALl the feds are doing is keeping them from entering the building. 

The State of Oregon and City of Portland need to stop the riots, months of riots is now a habit, not a reaction to something that happened this week
 
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on July 23, 2020, 12:26:20 PM
Uh oh.  Remember that first "innocent", "peaceful" protester who was detained by the "little green men" that everyone went nuts over?  Turns out he was one of the two arsonists who managed to damage the courthouse.  Media all along knew this as they had footage of him doing it just two hours prior to when the clipped video of his arrest started.  Yet, they went with the story of him being just an innocent protester plucked from the crowd by the "stormtroopers".  Vox inadvertantly directed attention to the video in a story warning protesters to mask up so as to not be identified.  Watch it for yourself, the link to the youtube livestream is in the article. 

So, could someone please explain to me again why it is so bad for federal police to arrest someone for whom they have clear evidence of a federal crime against a federal installation that put federal employees at risk?

https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/recode/2020/7/21/21332653/portland-oregon-protests-feds-dhs-youtube-livestream (https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/recode/2020/7/21/21332653/portland-oregon-protests-feds-dhs-youtube-livestream)
How feds used a YouTube livestream to arrest a Portland protester
Trump-deployed federal officers are using whatever they can to find evidence against activists.


In the early hours of July 13, agents of the Federal Protective Service (FPS), a division of the DHS charged with guarding federal courthouses, surveilled protesters through citizen journalists’ livestreams, whose footage is being used both to amplify protesters’ messages and as evidence against them.

The footage appears to show the protester wedge the board between the stone courthouse wall and the wooden boards installed oer a courthouse window to protect it from protester damage. A second protester appears to pick up the board and lean it against the wooden boards instead.... The first protester’s face is almost entirely covered and can’t be identified. But the second protester, whose face is unobscured, turns toward the camera as he walks away from the courthouse.

According to court documents, a DHS Intelligence Operations Specialist “analyzed” the livestream, took screenshots of the second protester’s face, and sent them back to agents inside the courthouse. The federal agents then “maintained surveillance” of the protester from inside and outside of the courthouse for several hours before arresting Kevin Benjamin Weier, who they say is the second protester.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: FreeLancer on July 23, 2020, 08:10:16 PM
Beware secret police from DHS (an agency spawned by the "war on terror" a generation ago) arresting US citizens committing crimes that someone decided to label as "terrorist" activity, in states that haven't asked for federal help. 

A government capable of suppressing its citizens with little green men eventually decides to use it to their advantage because "terrorism" justifies anything. 

Osama bin Laden is laughing his ass off.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Mr. Bill on July 23, 2020, 08:35:12 PM
Uh oh.  Remember that first "innocent", "peaceful" protester who was detained by the "little green men" that everyone went nuts over?  Turns out he was one of the two arsonists who managed to damage the courthouse.  Media all along knew this as they had footage of him doing it just two hours prior to when the clipped video of his arrest started.  Yet, they went with the story of him being just an innocent protester plucked from the crowd by the "stormtroopers".  ...

Nope, different person.  According to your link, Kevin Benjamin Weier was arrested in the early hours of July 13.  The two innocent peaceful protesters grabbed off the street (https://www.opb.org/news/article/federal-law-enforcement-unmarked-vehicles-portland-protesters/) were Mark Pettibone and Conner O’Shea, and the date was 2 days later.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on July 24, 2020, 08:42:59 AM
Nope, different person.  According to your link, Kevin Benjamin Weier was arrested in the early hours of July 13.  The two innocent peaceful protesters grabbed off the street (https://www.opb.org/news/article/federal-law-enforcement-unmarked-vehicles-portland-protesters/) were Mark Pettibone and Conner O’Shea, and the date was 2 days later.

This simply isnt true.  He was indeed the first documented one.  Watch the video, you can see him being arrested and placed in the van while the one woman is yelling how he was peaceful and that secret police were taking him away.  His arrest video (clipped of course) was included in reporting with no one mentioning that two hours before he was part of the arson. This arrest tactic began the morning of July 13 (details of arrest announced by police July 14).

https://www.defenseone.com/news/2020/07/the-d-brief-july-17-2020/166981/ (https://www.defenseone.com/news/2020/07/the-d-brief-july-17-2020/166981/)
Unidentified officers seize people in Portland

Homeland Security has sent police to apparently snatch people off the streets in Portland, Oregon — a city where crime “has been LOWER than average over the past several weeks,” Fordham University Law Professor John Pfaff tweeted Thursday evening after looking at DHS statistics for Stumptown.
...
The latest worrisome trend: “Federal Law Enforcement Use Unmarked Vehicles To Grab Protesters Off Portland Streets,” Oregon Public Broadcasting reported Thursday. And the practice has been ongoing since at least July 13. “Personal accounts and multiple videos posted online show the officers driving up to people, detaining individuals with no explanation of why they are being arrested, and driving off,” OPB reports.


By the way, they made two other major arrests that morning, though they were at the scene not later in the crowd.  One was "hammer guy" I documented above.  The other was "laser guy" who was blinding federal agents with a powerful laser.  Of course, in Portand this is all just considered "peaceful protest".

https://www.fox13news.com/news/federal-officers-in-portland-may-have-been-permanently-blinded-by-lasers-officials-say.amp (https://www.fox13news.com/news/federal-officers-in-portland-may-have-been-permanently-blinded-by-lasers-officials-say.amp)
Federal officers in Portland may have been permanently blinded by lasers, officials say

Cline said they also vandalized the building with spray paint, blocked adjacent intersections and set several fires.

“When officers responded to put out these fires, glass bottles were thrown and lasers – which can cause permanent blindness – were shined in their eyes,” Cline said. “We have three officers who currently have eye injuries and they may not recover sight in those eyes from those laser attacks.”
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Greekman on July 24, 2020, 10:08:56 AM
I still do not think it was a good idea that we let rioters get away with rioting,  it is kind of like not disciplining a child, then all of a sudden, you discipline them form something yu have been ignoring.   

These people in the video are just loving the feeling of power, that no-one can do anything to stop them.   

from what i have seen, your police response -in general- is thin in numbers and force. Nothing like the busloads of riot police (a seperate service also) like in Greece. (But in your case having to separate police entities I do not think it helps in your case.)
Yes i think it is also about numbers. Do yo remember the Greek riots somewhere in 2007? Several stores and building were arsoned. But that became a one time event, cos the riot police force multiplied ever since.
From what  got from the news is that the police can employ mass steering actions, by numbers, force and by channeling amidst the city blocks.

But while you can avoid militarizing the countermeasures (national guard), it seems you will have to accept the increase of riot police forces and the preventative presence of, in all major events.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on July 24, 2020, 12:38:05 PM
More "peaceful protests" in Seattle.

https://nypost.com/2020/07/23/seattle-businesses-looted-defaced-with-gentrifier-graffiti/amp/ (https://nypost.com/2020/07/23/seattle-businesses-looted-defaced-with-gentrifier-graffiti/amp/)
Seattle businesses looted, defaced with ‘gentrifier’ graffiti


Meanwhile in Portland the wishes of downtown reidents and businesses are ignored.

https://youtu.be/URd7Hspv5mM (https://youtu.be/URd7Hspv5mM)
'It's hurting us so bad': Portland business owners call on city leaders to stop violence downtown
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Prepper456 on July 24, 2020, 06:30:13 PM
What vandalism? and what innocent peoples property or innocent individuals were harmed?  (other than the protesters) That's the defining difference between terrorists/rioters and protesters.   Harm to innocents and their property.  They occupied government property, not private property, and they did not burn down or destroy the property, government or not.   

Armed men, led by Bundy brothers, take over federal building in rural Oregon
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/01/03/armed-militia-bundy-brothers-take-over-federal-building-in-rural-oregon/%3foutputType=amp

A group of armed anti-government activists remained encamped at a federal wildlife refuge in Oregon on Sunday evening, vowing to occupy the outpost for years to protest the federal government’s treatment of a pair of local ranchers set to report to prison Monday.

Organizers of the rally say several hundred attended the procession through Burns, Ore. — a ranching town of less than 3,000 residents



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/01/03/armed-militia-bundy-brothers-take-over-federal-building-in-rural-oregon/%3foutputType=amp

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/24/oregon-wildlife-refuge-damage-photos-militia-standoff
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: surfivor on July 25, 2020, 06:35:14 AM
I don't like what these rioters are doing and what mayors and governor are allowing but there is some potential downside to think about as j stadmiller mentioned about what the DHS head said

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jul/20/chad-wolf-acting-dhs-head-we-dont-need-invitations/

Acting Homeland Security Secretary Chad F. Wolf on Monday said that federal authorities will do their jobs to keep the peace and protect federal property whether states and cities like it or not.

“I don’t need invitations by state mayors or state governors to do our job — we’re going to do that whether they like us there or not,” Mr. Wolf said on “Fox & Friends.” “At the end of the day, we’re going to do our job. We’re not going to apologize for it. We’re going to do it professionally and we’re going to do it correctly.”
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Docwatmo on July 25, 2020, 06:35:37 AM
Exactly, They did not burn down and destroy innocent peoples property.  They did not loot.  They occupied a federal building. 
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: surfivor on July 25, 2020, 07:35:40 AM
Armed men, led by Bundy brothers, take over federal building in rural Oregon
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/01/03/armed-militia-bundy-brothers-take-over-federal-building-in-rural-oregon/%3foutputType=amp

A group of armed anti-government activists remained encamped at a federal wildlife refuge in Oregon on Sunday evening, vowing to occupy the outpost for years to protest the federal government’s treatment of a pair of local ranchers set to report to prison Monday.

Organizers of the rally say several hundred attended the procession through Burns, Ore. — a ranching town of less than 3,000 residents



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/01/03/armed-militia-bundy-brothers-take-over-federal-building-in-rural-oregon/%3foutputType=amp

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/24/oregon-wildlife-refuge-damage-photos-militia-standoff

The back story to the Bundy thing was about feds trying to get homesteaders off the land, it was a very small scale protest with minimum damage

The back story to Portland and other places I guess seems like white people are evil, we need to destroy all statues and engage in large scale destruction/vandalism including federal courthouses I guess. While I sympathize with peaceful protesters which there are many, there's clearly many who are not but nothing in their cause appeals to me other than I can agree that yes a civil war situation is bad, unfortunate etc but those rioters are helping to cause it as well
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on July 25, 2020, 09:40:43 AM
Black Lives Matter?  Not in Portland where rioting ANTIFA thugs are now stabbing black protesters.

https://www.rightjournalism.com/video-black-man-was-stabbed-during-the-peaceful-portland-protests-and-the-alleged-perpetrator-of-the-stabbing-is-antifa/ (https://www.rightjournalism.com/video-black-man-was-stabbed-during-the-peaceful-portland-protests-and-the-alleged-perpetrator-of-the-stabbing-is-antifa/)
Video: A Black Man Was Stabbed During The “Peaceful Portland Protests” And The Alleged Perpetrator Of The Stabbing Is ANTIFA
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on July 25, 2020, 10:08:12 AM
Interesting how CNN refuses to give any details on the stabbing victim or perpetrator even though it is readily available both from streams and the police.  Also, notice how they don't mention that the responding police and medical team were attacked.  They try to imply it was "medics" of the rioters who supplied aid.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  They were busy trying to help the attacker get away but some peaceful demonstrators grabbed and held him. The ones who applied aid were paramedics who risked their lives to reach him.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/portland-protests-1-person-stabbed-authorities-used-tear-gas/ar-BB17bfPg (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/portland-protests-1-person-stabbed-authorities-used-tear-gas/ar-BB17bfPg)
Portland protests: 1 person stabbed; authorities used tear gas

Stabbing suspect in custody

At around 2:30 a.m. local time, police received a report of a stabbing at Southwest 5th Avenue and Southwest Salmon Street, at which point medics on the scene provided first aid to the victim, who was then taken to a hospital by ambulance, PPB said.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on July 25, 2020, 04:10:31 PM
Beware secret police from DHS (an agency spawned by the "war on terror" a generation ago) arresting US citizens committing crimes that someone decided to label as "terrorist" activity, in states that haven't asked for federal help. 

A government capable of suppressing its citizens with little green men eventually decides to use it to their advantage because "terrorism" justifies anything. 

Osama bin Laden is laughing his ass off.

Tim Pool does a good job of showing the evolution of this fake news narrative.  Must watch video for those who want to understand what is happening.

https://youtu.be/xFJ4b3u_Ca8 (https://youtu.be/xFJ4b3u_Ca8)
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on July 25, 2020, 04:17:31 PM
Letter police chief sent to business owners and residents of Seattle.

(https://fellowshipoftheminds.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Seattle-PD-to-biz-owners.jpg)
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on July 25, 2020, 05:10:42 PM
Black Lives Matter, unless they are a Trump supporter trying to stop the burning down of their community.  How many lives must be lost before these terrorists are stopped?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8559633/Black-Trump-supporter-60-shot-dead-Milwaukee.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8559633/Black-Trump-supporter-60-shot-dead-Milwaukee.html)
Black Trump supporter, 60, is shot dead in Milwaukee: Detectives are investigating 'political' motive after beloved community activist was gunned down in a drive-by

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Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on July 26, 2020, 08:57:04 AM
The world has caught on that Portland riots have nothing to do with Justice for George Floyd or real police reform.  The rioters dont care one iota about African Americans.  It is all about advancing their own radical agenda.

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/26/portland-federal-agents-teargas-protesters-black-lives-matter (https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/26/portland-federal-agents-teargas-protesters-black-lives-matter)
‘White as hell’: Portland protesters face off with Trump but are they eclipsing Black Lives Matter?
On another night of confrontation with federal agents, activists said their message was in danger of being forgotten


“I look at this crowd and I don’t see many black people,” lamented the 21-year-old African American activist. “Oregon is white as hell. Whitewashed.”
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protests that have continued for nearly 60 days without interruption in a city that was derided as “Little Beirut” over the intensity of its demonstrations
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Portland has another reputation alongside its radical image. That of the whitest large city in America in a state with a constitution that once barred African Americans from living there. An 1850s law required black people to be “lashed” once a year to encourage them to leave Oregon, and members of the Ku Klux Klan largely controlled Portland city council between the world wars. Housing was effectively segregated in large parts of the city.
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The president of the Portland branch of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), ED Mondainé, warned that the Black Lives Matter movement in the city is being coopted by “privileged white people” with other agendas. He said the confrontations with the federal officers sent by the president are little more than a “spectacle and a distraction that do nothing for the cause of black equality”.
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“The children of the privileged are dancing on the stages of those that gave their lives for this movement,” he told the Guardian.
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Trump presented the pictures of protesters in helmets and gas masks confronting federal agents as evidence of a city overrun by anarchists and antifa, and the Democrats as either helpless or complicit in the chaos.

Trump raised the ante by vowing to send a “surge” of federal forces to other Democratic-run cities such as Chicago, ostensibly to quell gun killings. He said Operation Legend, named after a four year-old boy shot dead in Kansas City, would see thousands of agents from the FBI, US Marshals Service and other agencies deployed to end a “rampage of violence”.
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Teressa Raiford, the African American founder of Don’t Shoot Portland, accused the mayor of using the presence of the federal agents as cover for his own failure to address police reform.

“Our leaders now say: ‘Donald Trump’s attacking you and we care about you’. But the people on the front line realise we were being attacked by them...They’re trying to claim that they stand as allies with the protesters. It is political. What you’re seeing with the mayor being sprayed with teargas, that is political propaganda.”
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“All these liberal cities have extreme inequality, economic inequality, and there’s a major racial dimension to that. As long as we have that kind of economic inequality we’re going to see some form of policing like this,” he said.
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“This is what’s happening in all these Democratic liberal cities. Inequality has grown enormously and the way we’re dealing with that is through tougher policing.”
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on July 26, 2020, 09:54:50 AM
Uh oh.  Appears BLM and ANTIFA are headed for a divorce.  As companies are pulling the millions of dollars they pledged to BLM organizations due to the bad PR from the riots, those who were in line to profit are clearly getting anxious.  As they say, "It's all about the Benjamins".

(https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2020/07/24/USAT/b4a51bd2-e810-49f9-9415-9e65fec0c495-XXX_TH__portland_protests_2020_482.JPG?crop=1845,2460,x186,y0&quality=50&width=640)
Hip-hop artist and Black Lives Matter protester Edreece Phillips, 48, yells at a fellow protester for getting close to the security fence ringing the federal courthouse in Portland, Oregon on July 23, 2020. Phillips punched the protester moments later, yelling that the protester's actions would draw a violent response from federal agents inside the courthouse, weakening the protest's message.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on July 26, 2020, 09:31:05 PM
Black Lives Matter?  Not in Portland where rioting ANTIFA thugs are now stabbing black protesters.

https://www.rightjournalism.com/video-black-man-was-stabbed-during-the-peaceful-portland-protests-and-the-alleged-perpetrator-of-the-stabbing-is-antifa/ (https://www.rightjournalism.com/video-black-man-was-stabbed-during-the-peaceful-portland-protests-and-the-alleged-perpetrator-of-the-stabbing-is-antifa/)
Video: A Black Man Was Stabbed During The “Peaceful Portland Protests” And The Alleged Perpetrator Of The Stabbing Is ANTIFA

More details.  ANTIFA is literally hunting African Americans.

https://thepostmillennial.com/antifa-militant-arrested-for-stabbing-black-trump-supporter-in-portland (https://thepostmillennial.com/antifa-militant-arrested-for-stabbing-black-trump-supporter-in-portland)
Antifa militant arrested for stabbing black Trump supporter in Portland

Antifa militant and convicted pedophile Blake David Hampe was arrested in the early hours of Saturday following his alleged stabbing of a black Trump supporter in Portland.

The Trump supporter and conservative, who goes by the name Black Rebel on social media, posted several updates to his condition from the ambulance and hospital. In the Periscope livestream, he alleged that Hampe had stalked him and his group of friends for several blocks in Portland before stabbing him.

Black Rebel stated that Antifa militants doxed his identity and posted his location on social media and advised each other to “watch out” for him.
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The Blaze photojournalist Elijah Schaffer captured the scenes following Hampe’s arrest. An Antifa militant verbally harassed several police officers responding at the scene and kicked their vehicles.

“The level of disrespect these rioters have for public servants [and] people in general is unmatched,” observed Schaffer.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: David in MN on July 27, 2020, 11:04:49 AM
Minneapolis 2020 has double the murder rate of 2019.

Between the state mishandling of COVID and the lack of security downtown felt by just about everyone these days the city is hemmoraghing money.

Some data points:

During the riots some 1500 buildings were damaged and roughly $500,000,000 in property damage occurred.
The city was already planning to cut its 1.6 billion dollar budget this year because of lost revenue due to COVID.
One of the biggest losses in 2020 was the loss of parking fees. That will increase due to  safety concerns.
Minneapolis city council has pledged to cut the police force by about 25%... Just as murders have spiked.
Minneapolis and Minnesota were rejected by FEMA for funding to rebuild.
The state legislature is in gridlock over how to spend existing funds.

So I'm worried my local big city will lose enough residents and taxes to become a ghost town while they can't figure out how to begin undoing the current damage with money they don't have. I'm looking forward while they can't fix the current damage. And they're so dumb they think those of us who have the capital to  re-invigorate the city are going to do so whether they provide public safety from a pandemic, police brutality, riots, and a spiking death rate or not. Minneapolis: what not to do.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Greekman on July 27, 2020, 11:47:24 AM
David i was thinking about this and it seems to me yuo are on the road to becoming that other ghost city (was it Detroit or Chicago?).
Sorry about this...
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: LvsChant on July 27, 2020, 12:08:39 PM
Has there been any backlash against the local politicians for their handling of this whole thing? Or are they all busy blaming Trump for not giving them money to rebuild after they allowed mobs to destroy everything?
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: David in MN on July 27, 2020, 01:32:34 PM
Detroit. A few years back it really collapsed. Great documentary Detropia details the sad story of one of North America's one-time gems of manufacturing.

Policians getting feet held to the fire... Not really. We don't really have much in terms of leadership. The city council is pretty much a rubber stamp for any left wing cause. The mayor of Minneapolis (as Rudy Guliani rightly said) is a man child with no business holding the office. The governor, Tim Walz, kind of got shuffled into the office when the previous governor, trust fund baby turned alcoholic Mark Dayton, had to resign due to cancer. So neither really is up to the task. If you look at most of the people we send to Washington they tend to represent MN politics for what it is: pretty milktoast liberals.

We do have our crazies, though, and right now that means Ilhan Omar giving speeches about destroying the country. Our AG is Keith Ellison who did some stuff on capital hill and in the DNC and got flak for his maybe a little anti-Semitic talk and I do not like the way he runs his position but again pretty plain Jane democrat.

So other than Mayor Frey getting heckled at a speech it's been pretty low key. Remember, we already succeeded. All elected officials involved already are Democrats. If we could just get rid of the police (which the rubberstamp council wants) we'd be in paradise. There's not a single voice of reason or leadership.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on July 28, 2020, 07:13:02 AM
Portland police only half get it.  The local politicians want the death and mayhem to use as a political weapon.  They don't care about the people, especially not African Americans.  They just care about gaining and growing power.  And in their calculus, chaos helps them towards that end

https://nypost.com/2020/07/08/portland-police-union-blames-riots-on-city-officials/ (https://nypost.com/2020/07/08/portland-police-union-blames-riots-on-city-officials/)
Portland police union blames riots on city officials: ‘Condemn the violence’

Portland’s police union ripped public officials for enabling rioters to destroy the city, as demonstrators once again taunted cops Tuesday night.

In a post titled “This Cannot Continue,” Portland Police Association president Daryl Turner called on elected officials to “stand up and defend Portland.”

“Condemn the violence and the burning, looting, and destruction of property,” Turner said. “Trust and support the decisions made by law enforcement leaders who simply want to keep the residents, business owners, and peaceful protestors safe.”
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: LvsChant on July 28, 2020, 07:56:37 AM
Detroit. A few years back it really collapsed. Great documentary Detropia details the sad story of one of North America's one-time gems of manufacturing.

Policians getting feet held to the fire... Not really. We don't really have much in terms of leadership. The city council is pretty much a rubber stamp for any left wing cause. The mayor of Minneapolis (as Rudy Guliani rightly said) is a man child with no business holding the office. The governor, Tim Walz, kind of got shuffled into the office when the previous governor, trust fund baby turned alcoholic Mark Dayton, had to resign due to cancer. So neither really is up to the task. If you look at most of the people we send to Washington they tend to represent MN politics for what it is: pretty milktoast liberals.

We do have our crazies, though, and right now that means Ilhan Omar giving speeches about destroying the country. Our AG is Keith Ellison who did some stuff on capital hill and in the DNC and got flak for his maybe a little anti-Semitic talk and I do not like the way he runs his position but again pretty plain Jane democrat.

So other than Mayor Frey getting heckled at a speech it's been pretty low key. Remember, we already succeeded. All elected officials involved already are Democrats. If we could just get rid of the police (which the rubberstamp council wants) we'd be in paradise. There's not a single voice of reason or leadership.

I suspected this might be the case. I was watching the news this morning and saw a journalist interviewing African Americans in Chicago on the south side regarding all the violence over the weekend. The people there are beyond frustrated with all the violence, but as in the case in Minneapolis, are still very supportive of their mayor, who they consider to be 'one of their own'. In my opinion, there isn't much that can (or should) be done by outsiders when they want the type of leadership they voted in. I think Trump needs to just defend the federal buildings as he should and leave the policing to the locals and let them handle it as they wish. jmho. Help by federal agents will neither be welcomed nor appreciated when the general populace is supportive of their own elected local officials.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: David in MN on July 28, 2020, 09:53:04 AM
Well here's some heartening math. In the 2 weeks after the killing of George Floyd the real estate market spiked. Houses saw a 22% jump in new listings and apartments on Zillow had a staggering 43% jump.

That doesn't happen in a vacuum, either. As early as 2017 Minnesota  was projected to possibly lose a congressional seat because the population is declining. Something about having the worst weather of all 50 states. And traditionally we sell houses in spring, not the middle of summer.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: FreeLancer on July 28, 2020, 01:33:26 PM
In my opinion, there isn't much that can (or should) be done by outsiders when they want the type of leadership they voted in. I think Trump needs to just defend the federal buildings as he should and leave the policing to the locals and let them handle it as they wish. jmho. Help by federal agents will neither be welcomed nor appreciated when the general populace is supportive of their own elected local officials.

This ^^^^^^^^^^^^
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Docwatmo on July 28, 2020, 02:07:23 PM
Normally I would agree with LvsChant up to a point, However, at what point does the tax money that was stolen to pay for your protection do you get the return on your "Investment" from the federal government to protect you and your business, property etc from domestic terrorists.  Regardless of what the mob rule put in place for "leadership" (And I use that term amazingly loosely).   

This is the part where the "Republic" should outshine the mob rule of democracy.  The republic is supposed to protect the individual from the mob.  And at the state level, it is failing terribly, so it  really should be the feds job to correct it.   What else are we "Paying" the feds for anyway?  What exactly is it the statists are always touting the necessity of the governments control for anyway?   

The governments primary job, it's first and foremost job (Before it became the bloated, liberty crushing nanny state that it is now) is to protect the individual from the mob.

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: David in MN on July 28, 2020, 02:57:27 PM
I guess I view it as irrelevant. Cities were formed a long time before the modern era and the internet has replaced the need to "go to town" to make purchase like when we were kids. They're left with only cultural luxuries like sports, concerts, the arts, fine dining, and things like that. Notably all the stuff they closed for COVID.

By the time you're debating the merits of bringing in federal agencies to regain law and order it's too late. It also doesn't matter if you fear bad police or a violent mob. The effect is the same. You'll stay away.

But these idiot big city legislators are so contemptuous of you they believe you'll patronize their town without providing adequate security. Even worse they think you'll open a business in a city where the police have an unhappy killing record and rioters burn the existing businesses. And you'll even pay their higher taxes for the privilidge.

I have unhappy news for our cities: It's not 1923 anymore. Most of us don't need you anymore. And give it a generation or two because the #1 group of people who want out of the cities are parents.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: LvsChant on July 28, 2020, 03:04:30 PM
Normally I would agree with LvsChant up to a point, However, at what point does the tax money that was stolen to pay for your protection do you get the return on your "Investment" from the federal government to protect you and your business, property etc from domestic terrorists.  Regardless of what the mob rule put in place for "leadership" (And I use that term amazingly loosely).   

This is the part where the "Republic" should outshine the mob rule of democracy.  The republic is supposed to protect the individual from the mob.  And at the state level, it is failing terribly, so it  really should be the feds job to correct it.   What else are we "Paying" the feds for anyway?  What exactly is it the statists are always touting the necessity of the governments control for anyway?   

The governments primary job, it's first and foremost job (Before it became the bloated, liberty crushing nanny state that it is now) is to protect the individual from the mob.

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

When you live in an area where the very people that might benefit from federal assistance DO NOT WANT IT, it's a no-win proposition to send in help unasked-for by the local leadership.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on July 28, 2020, 03:59:25 PM
The local residents in these cities are begging for help from their fellow citizens.  They are literally suing the local politicians.  State and federal authorities have a fiduciary responsibility.  They take an oath towards that end.

Protecting individual rights when local politicians are suppressing them is always a win-win situation. Our entire system is based on checks and balances to protect rights.  Imagine the world we would live in if we didnt step up to protect the innocent.  Just one example:

(https://40.media.tumblr.com/69e05b6b048a4b0c7ce7623379783c9f/tumblr_nv8k0tQf0Y1r65o3qo1_1280.jpg)

(https://media1.britannica.com/eb-media/18/187918-004-C067D649.jpg)

(https://newmankirsten.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/abhm-lrch-9-25-57-remember-little-rock-p42.jpg)
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: FreeLancer on July 28, 2020, 04:41:08 PM
When you live in an area where the very people that might benefit from federal assistance DO NOT WANT IT, it's a no-win proposition to send in help unasked-for by the local leadership.

And it's counterproductive, too.  These riots are expanding as a result of the feds being there.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on July 28, 2020, 05:04:40 PM
History has taught us it is never counterproductive to protect the rights of individuals over local despots.  It is never right to give into violent mobs.

https://www.history.com/news/little-rock-nine-brown-v-board-eisenhower-101-airborne (https://www.history.com/news/little-rock-nine-brown-v-board-eisenhower-101-airborne)
Why Eisenhower Sent the 101st Airborne to Little Rock After Brown v. Board
When the governor of Arkansas failed to integrate Central High School, President Eisenhower called in federal troops to protect the Little Rock Nine.


But when nine black students decided to attend the all-white Central High School in Little Rock, which would desegregate a large urban district, threats of violence and protests ensued.

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Elizabeth Eckford ignores the hostile screams and stares of fellow students on her first day of school.
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on September 4, when the black students, historically known as the Little Rock Nine, faced a vicious throng outside Central
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The intense stand-off continued over several weeks...Eisenhower and Faubus agreed that the Arkansas National Guard would remain at the school to maintain order, so the black students could attend.  When the governor returned to Arkansas, however, he removed the National Guard troops from Central and left security to the local police. As the Little Rock Nine made another attempt to enter on September 23, they had to use a side entrance because a belligerent mob of 1,000 had formed outside. When a riot erupted, the police had to evacuate the black students for their safety.
...

The news incensed Eisenhower. “He was a military man and didn’t want his orders undermined,” said Kirk. “He felt Faubus had been insubordinate.” The president was also concerned the riots compromised the credibility of the United States, as a leader of democracy and a nation of laws during the Cold War era.

On September 23, President Eisenhower issued Executive Order 10730, which put the Arkansas National Guard under federal authority, and sent 1,000 U.S. Army troops from the 101st Airborne Division to Little Rock, to maintain order as Central High School desegregated.

“Our enemies are gloating over this incident and using it everywhere to misrepresent our nation,” said Eisenhower, in a televised address he gave at the White House the day after he enforced his executive order. “Mob rule cannot be allowed to override the decisions of the courts.”
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Arkansas National Guard Take Over Patrol

On September 25, 1957, the Little Rock Nine attended Central High for their first full day of classes, under the protection of the newly federalized Arkansas National Guard and the 101 Airborne Division, who steadily withdrew as a dwindling number of state soldiers took full control of security by December.

“It turned out to be a point of contention,” said Kirk. “The NAACP felt the kids were being abandoned and wanted to make sure the soldiers had a presence in the school and looked out for the students and protected their safety.”

From December until the end of the school year in May 1958, soldiers from the Arkansas National Guard patrolled the school, while the Little Rock Nine were regularly subjected to physical assaults, threats and slurs.

The following school term, in September 1958, Governor Faubus closed down Little Rock high schools for the year, to prevent black students from enrolling. But in August 1959, Little Rock high schools reopened integrated
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: mountainmoma on July 28, 2020, 06:59:17 PM
And it's counterproductive, too.  These riots are expanding as a result of the feds being there.

They need to protect the federal building, and LvsChant also expressed that opinion up thread.

It would likely be counter productive to have them help with non- federal property issues unless asked for


There is no way that federal forces should stand down and let a federal courthouse be destroyed

It is great if ones being violent or lighting fires or using lasers get arrested and federal charges as those charges are going to be persued, unlike the the local arrests where they never have a consequence
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: LvsChant on July 28, 2020, 09:25:43 PM
I have to say that I'm finding the euphemisms pretty tiresome.

I read an account today of a woman who was injured by a nonlethal bullet talking about how peaceful the protests were as they were walking along the streets looking at the "murals". Now, wouldn't we normally call those "murals" by the word "graffiti"??? I had a hard time even taking the rest of her story seriously when she described that mess as "murals".
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on July 29, 2020, 05:20:40 AM
Haven't you heard? Those murals are double-plus-good.

Meanwhile, hundreds of police and fire agencies pull out of agreements for the Democratic National Convention. Effectively, the party was setting them up to be used as punching bag props for rioters by disallowing them from protecting themselves or others.  They said, no way

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/wisconsin-police-departments-dnc-security-agreements.amp (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/wisconsin-police-departments-dnc-security-agreements.amp)
More than 100 police agencies back out of DNC security agreements

More than 100 police agencies are pulling out of security agreements to send personnel to next month's Democratic National Convention in Milwaukee over orders that would prevent officers from using certain crowd control measures during protests
...
The police departments were part of a collective of outside agencies poised to send officers to secure the event, which will run from Aug. 17-20 and where Joe Biden is expected to be named the party's presidential nominee.
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Speaking with WTMJ-TV, Morales did not say which agencies were pulling out or how officers were still expected. The original plan was to have at least 1,000 officers from outside agencies. Making use of the National Guard or federal assistance was being considered, Morales said.
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West Allis Deputy Chief Robert Fletcher said the commission's decision raised safety concerns for his department.

"Our concern is that in the event protests turn non-peaceful, such a policy would remove tools from officers that may otherwise be legal and justifiable to utilize in specific situations," Fletchertld the newspaper in an email.

Franklin Police Chief Rick Oliva raised similar concerns in a letter to Morales.

"I can not send personnel if they are not properly equipped or will not be allowed to engage in appropriate actions which would ensure their safety," he wrote.
...
The Milwaukee Police Department, the police and fire commission and convention officials did not immediately return Fox News requests for comment.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Docwatmo on July 29, 2020, 05:47:26 AM
And it's counterproductive, too.  These riots are expanding as a result of the feds being there.

Got it backwards.  The feds came in because of the riots, not the other way around.  The destruction and harm was already occurring long before the feds arrived. 
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: LvsChant on July 29, 2020, 06:38:08 AM
Got it backwards.  The feds came in because of the riots, not the other way around.  The destruction and harm was already occurring long before the feds arrived.

But still, feds cannot really come in and do anything about local policing without a request from local authorities. If the locals "leaders" want to let the destruction and disruption progress and demand that Trump's 'jack-booted thugs' stay out, then the people in that area should be able to see for themselves what their own elected leadership is like. Bringing federal agents in without the support of local LEOs would be just crazy and would pour gasoline on the fire. (imo)
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Docwatmo on July 29, 2020, 07:16:24 AM
The question is, how long does the federal government let the destruction and harm go on for the innocent individuals until they take action?  If the locals are failing to protect the innocents (As is the case), and not inviting the feds in (Purposely extending the destruction) then it's time for the feds to step in.   

Yes, it's a hard line to determine when to cross.    Our ancestors fought a civil war for states rights and lost.  So do states rights suddenly supersede the safety and livelihood of individuals now?   

Personally, if mobs are terrorizing individuals, destroying private property, harming innocent people and the "Locals" don't handle them, then it's high time for the feds to come in and help, with or without being asked by the failed locals.   

In the end, the determining factor is the health, safety and prosperity of the individuals who are supposed to be protected from the mob.   
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: mountainmoma on July 29, 2020, 07:57:38 AM
But still, feds cannot really come in and do anything about local policing without a request from local authorities. If the locals "leaders" want to let the destruction and disruption progress and demand that Trump's 'jack-booted thugs' stay out, then the people in that area should be able to see for themselves what their own elected leadership is like. Bringing federal agents in without the support of local LEOs would be just crazy and would pour gasoline on the fire. (imo)

They are only protecting a federal courthouse.  The rest of the city could burn.   

As a taxpayer, I am glad they are protecting that federal courthouse.

They are not overall policing in Portland at all.  They are arresting a few people that are trying to take down the courthouse or hurt officers on the courthouse property.  This is very specific

You said this up thread too 
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In my opinion, there isn't much that can (or should) be done by outsiders when they want the type of leadership they voted in. I think Trump needs to just defend the federal buildings as he should and leave the policing to the locals and let them handle it as they wish. jmho. Help by federal agents will neither be welcomed nor appreciated when the general populace is supportive of their own elected local officials.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: LvsChant on July 29, 2020, 08:00:30 AM
I have two cousins living in Portland, but apparently they are very supportive of the 'protesters' and don't want Trump's agents coming there to do any policing.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: mountainmoma on July 29, 2020, 08:05:25 AM
I have two cousins living in Portland, but apparently they are very supportive of the 'protesters' and don't want Trump's agents coming there to do any policing.

Well, I guess they could have their mayor protect federal property.   WHo do your cousins think should pay to rebuild that federal courthouse ?  Would they feel different I wonder if the rioters were burning down their favorite resteraunt or their house  ?
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: LvsChant on July 29, 2020, 08:09:26 AM
Well, I guess they could have their mayor protect federal property.   WHo do your cousins think should pay to rebuild that federal courthouse ?  Would they feel different I wonder if the rioters were burning down their favorite resteraunt or their house  ?

I know... it seems irrational to me. But I know they would not be supportive of federal troops coming in to their town to shut down the 'protests'. They probably like the 'murals', too.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: David in MN on July 29, 2020, 08:24:26 AM
It doesn't matter. Presume their houses have already burned. I assume (I haven't looked) that Portland is suffering the exodus thaat Minneapolis is seeing or likely worse. It doesn't take a riot to burn your house; it takes the market knowledge that your house is in "the burn zone". It's the intersection of Hayek and Bastiat. Your local government can presume to say that all is well but the market and the unseen forces will decimate your home value. To say nothing of insurance rates...
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: mountainmoma on July 29, 2020, 10:51:34 AM
I know... it seems irrational to me. But I know they would not be supportive of federal troops coming in to their town to shut down the 'protests'. They probably like the 'murals', too.

There are no federal troops shutting down protests.  They can protest all they like.  They can protest on the public road in front of the Federal courthouse.  All day.  All night.  Every day, and the Feds wont shut it down.  What they are, somewhat, stopping is outright attacks on the building and personnel. 

We have a huge media problem right now

BTW:  I do not want fed's of whatever alphabet agency policing my area either.  However, there is no other choice when our local managers force our local law enforcement to step down than to have the feds protect federal property and federal personnel.  If they escalate further and the local managers, who are over their heads already in terms of their abilities and the various crisies, do not protect people lives, and I hope to God it does not go there, then we would also have to have the feds step in.  I am a huge states rights person.  Realy.  And, if Portland wants to burn down the rest of Portlands business district or city or state buildings, it is their problem.  But, I do want the federal courthouses protected, it is not a local right to protect their own mayors house, for example, like Seattle, but to let a mob destroy expensive and symbolic federal property and injure federal employees carrying out their job protecting the federal property !  That is asking too much.   It also realy bothers me as I am frustrated that they have basically, while saying they dont want them, they realy are ensuring, making them come there !   The rioters WANT this.   I do not want it, I want the local agencies to do their jobs
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on July 29, 2020, 11:19:52 AM
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/07/29/oregon-federal-government-reach-deal-on-withdrawal-of-portland-agents.html (https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/07/29/oregon-federal-government-reach-deal-on-withdrawal-of-portland-agents.html)
Oregon, federal government reach deal for withdrawal of agents from Portland

Chad Wolf, the DHS chief, said that he had been in regular communication with Brown and that the two "have agreed to a joint plan to end the violent activity in Portland directed at federal properties and law enforcement officers."

"That plan includes a robust presence of Oregon State Police in downtown Portland. State and local law enforcement will begin securing properties and streets, especially those surrounding federal properties, that have been under nightly attack for the past two months,"
...
Wolf indicated that DHS agents will remain.  CBP and ICE are divisions of the DHS. The Federal Protective Service, another DHS division, and the U.S. Marshals Service, a division of the Department of Justice, also have officers assigned to the Portland protests, the federal government has said.
...
Wolf wrote that the DHS would keep its personnel in Portland "until we are assured that the Hatfield Federal Courthouse and other federal properties will no longer be attacked and that the seat of justice in Portland will remain secure."

"This has been our mission and objective since the violent, criminal activity began," he said.
...
An effort by Oregon Attorney General Ellen Rosenblum to halt federal officers from arresting demonstrators at the protests was rejected on Friday on technical grounds.
...
On Tuesday, Attorney General William Barr defended the presence of the agents during a contentious hearing before the House Judiciary Committee
...
"Of course the U.S. government has the right and duty to protect federal property," Biden said in a statement
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Docwatmo on July 29, 2020, 05:45:41 PM

We have a huge media problem right now


The absolute most accurate statement to date. :-)   
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: David in MN on July 29, 2020, 06:57:34 PM
A very close friend reported her brother was shot in the back while intervening in a carjacking in Minneapolis. He is thankfully in stable condition with some issues.

Shot in the back. That city is living on borrowed time. I'm not letting those I care for go near.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on July 30, 2020, 05:58:51 AM
They collected twenty thousand signatures in one day during a pandemic.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/seattle-residents-slam-defund-the-police-as-radical-experiment-during-city-budget-meeting.amp (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/seattle-residents-slam-defund-the-police-as-radical-experiment-during-city-budget-meeting.amp)
Seattle residents slam ‘Defund the police’ as ‘radical experiment’ during city budget meeting
The city's police union says it has collected more than 20,000 signatures on a “Stop Defunding” petition,


Hundreds of Seattle residents spoke up about proposals to “Defund the police” during a city council budget meeting on Wednesday, according to reports.

“Defunding the police is a radical experiment that will hurt the vulnerable,” one member of the public, calling in to the phone-in meeting, told the council, according to Q13 FOX.
...
In addition, the Seattle Police Officers Guild, the union representing police, said it has collected more than 20,000 signatures on a “Stop Defunding” petition, the station reported.


Seattle has been an epicenter of the rioting that has been seen in many cities across the U.S. The unrest there has included the infamous “CHOP” (Capitol Hill Organized Protest) zone, in which protesters took over about six blocks of the city’s Capitol Hill neighborhood, looking to establish a “police-free” area – until the city ultimately regained control, but not before at least two fatal shootings took place.
...
Democratic leaders in the cities as enablers of the rioting and destruction rather than law enforcers who are dedicated to maintaining public safety.
...
Earlier Wednesday, Seattle police union leader Michael Solan, on Fox News’ “America’s Newsroom,” lashed out against Mayor Jenny Durkan, who had claimed on CNN on Monday that President Trump was using federal agents in Seattle and other cities “as a political tool” in what she described as a “dry run for martial law.”

Solan countered: “Clearly what the dry run for Seattle was, the [CHOP] experience where multiple people were shot and killed."
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on July 30, 2020, 06:28:16 AM
But if they don't defund the police, how will the piliticians funnel millions of dollars into their pockets through NGOs run by their family members?  Times are tough, there are only so many ways for local politicians to build up fortunes  Citizens can be such party poopers.

https://crosscut.com/2020/07/washington-voters-see-broader-issues-policing-trust-local-cops (https://crosscut.com/2020/07/washington-voters-see-broader-issues-policing-trust-local-cops)
Washington voters see broader issues in policing, but trust local cops

A new statewide Crosscut/Elway poll shows support for police reform, but fear of defunding the police.


Voters in Washington see the killing of George Floyd in Minneapolis as a sign of systemic issues with how police treat African Americans, but they nevertheless have a favorable view of law enforcement in their own communities
...
Despite belief that there are larger problems in policing, nearly half of respondents said they believed their local police treated everyone equally and that race made no difference when it came to use of deadly force
...
Just over a third said they believed the police departments in their communities favored white people and were more likely to use deadly force against people of color.
...
Protests have popped up across Washington state, but the bulk of the attention has fallen on Seattle, where demonstrators took over six blocks on Capitol Hill outside of the East Precinct police station for several weeks. More recently, attention has turned to Portland, where video has recorded unidentified federal law enforcement officers arresting protesters.

The protests’ influence on policy has been enormous. In Seattle, the once fringe calls to “defund the police” have taken root in City Hall. Elected officials who months ago supported growing the Seattle Police Department have now expressed support for cutting its budget by as much as 50%.

Across Washington, meanwhile, support for dismantling or defunding the police is weak. Just 26% said they favored “dismantling the police force and starting over with a new model of what police are supposed to do in the community.” Even fewer — 17% — said they supported cutting the budgets of police departments by 50%.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: David in MN on July 30, 2020, 06:57:25 AM
Here's the story. Kristina (as referenced) is one of my dearest friends. Jacob did the heroic thing trying to help a woman being carjacked during a time when the police couldn't prevent a group of repeat offenders.

https://www.startribune.com/good-samaritan-is-shot-trying-to-help-stranger-being-robbed-on-lake-st/571951032/
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on July 30, 2020, 03:37:34 PM
Here's the story. Kristina (as referenced) is one of my dearest friends. Jacob did the heroic thing trying to help a woman being carjacked during a time when the police couldn't prevent a group of repeat offenders.

https://www.startribune.com/good-samaritan-is-shot-trying-to-help-stranger-being-robbed-on-lake-st/571951032/

Yikes! That is horrible.  But I am glad someone finally stood up to the thugs and helped. You are right to avoid the city.

Meanwhile, things are spiraling out of control in the Seattle Summer of Love. The IEDs are the equivalent of sticks of dynomite.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/seattle-explosives-baseball-bats-reportedly-handed-out-at-protests.amp (https://www.foxnews.com/us/seattle-explosives-baseball-bats-reportedly-handed-out-at-protests.amp)
Seattle PD search warrant recovers explosives, baseball bats reportedly handed out at protests
One explosion blew a hole in the wall of a precinct, police said


Seattle police who executed a search warrant of a van abandoned near a series of weekend fires recovered pyrotechnics, weaponry and riot gear believed to have been used during demonstrations in the area, officials announced.
...
After searching the vehicle, police said they found the following items inside, among others:

firework pyrotechnics
improvised spike strips and nails
bear mace
gas masks
homemade shields
helmets, shin guards and additional types of body armor
...
59 officers were hurt, KOMO News reported.


(https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2020/07/918/516/SEATTLE-6.jpg?ve=1&tl=1)
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on July 30, 2020, 03:58:38 PM
Just more "peaceful" protests.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/07/30/us/chicago-police-officers-shot/index.html (https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/07/30/us/chicago-police-officers-shot/index.html)
Three Chicago police officers shot and suspected gunman wounded
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Mr. Bill on July 30, 2020, 04:22:31 PM
Just more "peaceful" protests.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/07/30/us/chicago-police-officers-shot/index.html (https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/07/30/us/chicago-police-officers-shot/index.html)
Three Chicago police officers shot and suspected gunman wounded

I can't find any news report that says any protesters were present.  This was a carjacking suspect who was being arrested, and he either had a gun or grabbed one and shot the officers.

Sometimes violent crime is just plain old violent crime.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-chicago-police-officer-shot-shooting-20200730-lcixi5q6wremxj3i5s2fw24q4a-story.html

https://twitter.com/CPD_Media/status/1288904832355454976
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on July 30, 2020, 04:48:23 PM
These attacks are all connected being spurred on by the mayors of these cities who have aligned with the rioters.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/22/politics/donald-trump-federal-law-enforcement-chicago-albuquerque/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/22/politics/donald-trump-federal-law-enforcement-chicago-albuquerque/index.html)
Trump announces 'surge' of federal officers to Chicago

President Donald Trump said Wednesday he will "surge" federal law enforcement officers to Chicago and other American cities, despite resistance from local leaders
...
His attention in recent days has focused on Chicago, whose Democratic mayor said Tuesday she would not allow "Donald Trump's troops" into her city.
...
"No mother should ever have to cradle her dead child in her arms simply because politicians refused to do what is necessary to secure their neighborhood and to secure their city," he said during a mid-afternoon event in the East Room.
...
Since protests spread throughout the country following the murder of George Floyd, Trump has worked to cultivate a tough-on-crime message that includes the federal law enforcement efforts now underway.

Speaking at the same event as Trump, Attorney General Bill Barr criticized what he called "extreme reactions that have demonized police" in the wake of Floyd's killing, which he blamed for "a significant increase in violent crime in many cities."
...
Trump was announcing the expansion of the Operation Legend initiative, a Justice Department program first established in Kansas City earlier this month that utilizes federal law enforcement officers from the FBI, US Marshals Service, Drug Enforcement Administration and Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to combat violent crime.

Trump said he was dispatching additional federal law enforcement into other American cities, including Chicago, to tamp down on "heinous crimes of violence."
"We'll work every single day to restore public safety, protect our nation's children and bring violent perpetrators to justice," he said. "We've been doing it and you've been seeing what's happening all around the country."

"We've just started this process and frankly we have no choice but to get involved," Trump said.

Barr said there were about 200 federal agents dispatched as part of the program to Kansas City, and said a comparable number would head to Chicago to augment existing teams already there.
...
The program is named for 4-year-old LeGend Taliferro, a Kansas City resident who was fatally shot while sleeping at home.

When it was announced, the Justice Department described the initiative as "a sustained, systematic and coordinated law enforcement initiative across all federal law enforcement agencies working in conjunction with state and local law enforcement officials to fight the sudden surge of violent crime."
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Mr. Bill on July 30, 2020, 05:52:29 PM
These attacks are all connected being spurred on by the mayors of these cities who have aligned with the rioters.

Okay.  I guess the mayor has been telling carjacking suspects to shoot police when they get arrested.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Docwatmo on July 30, 2020, 06:22:22 PM
It's not that the mayor says. "Go shoot cops and carjack people".  It's that the mayor gives one group carte blanche to steal, destroy and attack cops (and innocent residents).  Which in turn emboldens the other criminals.   
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on July 30, 2020, 06:25:40 PM
Okay.  I guess the mayor has been telling carjacking suspects to shoot police when they get arrested.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/police-union-chicago-mayor-lightfoot-running-the-titanic-into-an-iceberg-intentionally (https://www.foxnews.com/media/police-union-chicago-mayor-lightfoot-running-the-titanic-into-an-iceberg-intentionally)
Chicago Mayor Lightfoot is 'running the Titanic into an iceberg intentionally,' police union chief says
Catanzara claimed Lightfoot has a 'Napoleon complex' and sharply spurns those who disagree with her


Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot was called "unprofessional," "childish" and "pathetic" by the city's president of the Fraternal Order of Police, John Catanzara, who was in turn responding to her sharp criticism of him.
...
Lightfoot had referred to Catanzara as "unhinged" and attention-seeking after the union leader wrote a letter to President Trump asking for federal assistance amid Chicago's continuing crime wave. Lightfoot called the prospect of federal intervention "chaos" and "lawlessness."

"The mayor likes to use the word 'unhinged' but the ironic part is the mayor became unhinged. I wish I could show you the text messages that she sent me over the weekend as soon as she found out I sent the request to President Trump,"
...
Catanzara blamed the inability of Chicago to take control of the violence and murder spreading across the city on a combination of Democratic leaders. He slammed Cook County Board chairwoman Toni Preckwinkle, county prosecutor Kim Foxx, Lightfoot and Sheriff Tom Dart as being the source of systemic problems in the county and city.
...
"The bold[ness of criminals] is there because they know there are no consequences," said Catanzara.

"The justice system in Cook County is totally broken all the way from President Preckwinkle [down]..." he added. "They have no idea what real justice is, [there] is basically the bloodbath in the street as a result."

Catanzara claimed Lightfoot has a "Napoleon complex" and sharply spurns those who disagree with her.

"She is literally running the Titanic into an iceberg intentionally," he said. "Fifty-six rounds [were reportedly] fired [during Tuesday evening's incident] and [14] people shot tonight at a funeral where there was police's special attention because of the gang victim that was already being waked at the funeral home."


https://www.foxnews.com/politics/chicago-officials-looting-riots (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/chicago-officials-looting-riots)
Distraught Chicago officials heard on tape fuming over looting, riots: 'My ward is a s--t show'

Distraught Chicago officials complained to Mayor Lori Lightfoot -- as looting and rioting in response to George Floyd’s death swept through the Windy City -- pleading for help and warning that the vulnerable had lost access to food and medicine.

According to a tape obtained by WTTW News of an online conference call among the city’s 50 aldermen and the mayor, one alderman could be heard weeping while others angrily decried what was going on in the city.
...
On the call, others took aim at Lightfoot herself for her response to the crisis. One man, identified by WTTW News as Ald. Raymond Lopez, demanded that Lightfoot develop a plan to stabilize Chicago’s neighborhoods for five days, calling his Southwest Side ward “a virtual war zone” where armed gang members were threatening to shoot black people.

When he demanded she respond to the remarks, Lightfoot told him he was “100 percent full of s--t.”

“Well, f--k you then,” Lopez responded.


https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/07/columbus-statute-chicago-taken-overnight-mayor-lightfoot-sides-rioters/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/07/columbus-statute-chicago-taken-overnight-mayor-lightfoot-sides-rioters/)
Columbus Statue in Chicago Taken Down Overnight – Mayor Lightfoot Sides with Rioters

Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on July 30, 2020, 09:17:32 PM
Uh oh.  Someone is finally starting to wake up.

https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/seattle-police-update-on-saturday-protests-demonstrations-riot/281-20650b38-81c2-41b7-9b43-ab5b7919fc2f (https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/seattle-police-update-on-saturday-protests-demonstrations-riot/281-20650b38-81c2-41b7-9b43-ab5b7919fc2f)
Criminal investigation launched into use of explosives during riot on Seattle's Capitol Hill Saturday

Seattle Police Chief Carmen Best announced the department is launching a “serious” criminal investigation into the use of improvised explosives and other devices against officers and property during Saturday’s protest that was declared a riot by police.
...
about a dozen people set fire to portable trailers and other equipment at a construction site next to the King County Youth Service Center, police said.

From there, the group continued to damage businesses and destroy property, including the Seattle Police Department's East Precinct on Capitol Hill.
...
From the van, detectives recovered items like baseball bats, improvised shields, pyrotechnic explosives, bear spray, pepper spray, stun guns and improvised spike strips designed to disable bicycle officers.

"I see no reason why someone would need to arm themselves with these at a peaceful protest," said Sgt. Detective James Lee, who accompanied Chief Best and Mayor Durkan at the press conference.
...
A total of 59 officers were injured during Saturday's riot on Capitol Hill.

Chief Best said no arrests have been made yet regarding this particular investigation but assured "we are going to follow up aggressively with the investigation."

Mayor Durkan condemned the acts of violence committed against officers and property in Seattle on Saturday.

"Acts of destruction, violence and hateful speech, none of that gets us where we need to be, it’s not just a distraction, it undermines the central message and the actions we want to take as a city," said Mayor Durkan.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: FreeLancer on July 31, 2020, 03:32:41 PM
And it's counterproductive, too.  These riots are expanding as a result of the feds being there.

WaPo:  Trump ordered federal forces to quell Portland protests. But the chaos ended as soon as they left. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/31/portland-protests-federal-calm/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-low_dhs-740pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans)

Quote
On Thursday, the first protest held since the federal agencies agreed to pull back their officers was a markedly more peaceful affair.

As the Black Lives Matter-inspired vigil wound down early Friday morning, there was virtually no sign of the Oregon State Police officers who had taken over protection of the federal buildings at the center of the protests.

Instead of being forcibly removed from downtown’s Lownsdale Square and the adjacent Chapman Square, which lie opposite the barricaded Mark O. Hatfield U.S. Courthouse, the crowd thinned out on its own, with many protesters heading home of their own accord.

By a little after 1 a.m., only a relatively small crew remained, far down from the enormous crowd that had gathered four hours earlier to listen to speakers and chant anti-law enforcement slogans. The mood was celebratory, if subdued.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on August 01, 2020, 10:23:22 PM
WaPo:  Trump ordered federal forces to quell Portland protests. But the chaos ended as soon as they left. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/31/portland-protests-federal-calm/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-low_dhs-740pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans)

LOL.  Not a single federal officer has left.  They are just moving on to the next phase of intimidation..

https://nypost.com/2020/08/01/protestors-burn-bible-american-flag-as-tensions-rise-in-portland/ (https://nypost.com/2020/08/01/protestors-burn-bible-american-flag-as-tensions-rise-in-portland/)
Protesters burn Bible, American flag as tensions rise in Portland

But just after midnight, marchers were caught on video using the flag and holy book as kindling for bonfires lit outside the federal courthouse, which has been a focal point of rioting after the death of George Floyd in police custody in May, according to a news report.

“Left-wing activists bring a stack of Bibles to burn in front of the federal courthouse in Portland,” claimed Ian Miles Cheong on Twitter Saturday.

The post featured a video which showed protestors with “Black Lives Matter” signs tossing bibles into a raging bonfire. The video, which has gone viral, had more than 1.8 million views and thousands of retweets.

“Now we move to the book burning phase,” said Donald Trump Jr. in a tweet Saturday. “I’m pretty sure ANTIFA doesn’t actually stand for what they say it stands for. Maybe just remove the anti part of [their] name and it’s perfect,” he wrote.



We all know where we have seen this before.They are following their classic play book.

Portland Youth July 2020:
(https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/08/portland-protests-1.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=1236&h=820&crop=1)

German Youth1933
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GQwpL5wNF2I/Tgd6U6QsrDI/AAAAAAAAAco/FBSwPl5LItw/s1600/150703503412953544.jpg)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-bguXM9MQN7c/Tgd6a7w9m0I/AAAAAAAAAc4/tI2Jg329jFc/s1600/w41_80430015.jpg)

Of course, this is what finally convinced Einstein and other people of talent to flee for freer lands.  The same is happening now in Portland, Seattle, and Minneapolis.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on August 02, 2020, 11:07:38 AM
Some good news, people are now turning in domestic terrorists for justice, even family members.  The bad news is the Portland riots are worse than ever.  While the federal police were visible, the rioters had to concentrate their attacks on them.  Now that they are restricting themselves to inside the courthouse and federal buildings, the rioters have entered into other parts of the city including the residential areas.  Here is a break down of the stories: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWLOyB7wmy0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWLOyB7wmy0)
Antifa Outed By Own Grandma, Portland Riots WORSE With No Cops
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: surfivor on August 02, 2020, 03:47:50 PM
LOL.  Not a single federal officer has left.  They are just moving on to the next phase of intimidation..

https://nypost.com/2020/08/01/protestors-burn-bible-american-flag-as-tensions-rise-in-portland/ (https://nypost.com/2020/08/01/protestors-burn-bible-american-flag-as-tensions-rise-in-portland/)
Protesters burn Bible, American flag as tensions rise in Portland

But just after midnight, marchers were caught on video using the flag and holy book as kindling for bonfires lit outside the federal courthouse, which has been a focal point of rioting after the death of George Floyd in police custody in May, according to a news report.

“Left-wing activists bring a stack of Bibles to burn in front of the federal courthouse in Portland,” claimed Ian Miles Cheong on Twitter Saturday.

The post featured a video which showed protestors with “Black Lives Matter” signs tossing bibles into a raging bonfire. The video, which has gone viral, had more than 1.8 million views and thousands of retweets.

“Now we move to the book burning phase,” said Donald Trump Jr. in a tweet Saturday. “I’m pretty sure ANTIFA doesn’t actually stand for what they say it stands for. Maybe just remove the anti part of [their] name and it’s perfect,” he wrote.



We all know where we have seen this before.They are following their classic play book.

Portland Youth July 2020:
(https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/08/portland-protests-1.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=1236&h=820&crop=1)

German Youth1933
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GQwpL5wNF2I/Tgd6U6QsrDI/AAAAAAAAAco/FBSwPl5LItw/s1600/150703503412953544.jpg)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-bguXM9MQN7c/Tgd6a7w9m0I/AAAAAAAAAc4/tI2Jg329jFc/s1600/w41_80430015.jpg)

Of course, this is what finally convinced Einstein and other people of talent to flee for freer lands.  The same is happening now in Portland, Seattle, and Minneapolis.

The bible never said Jesus was white anyway or never said what race and there are tons of non white christians including many black Christians so it's funny that they can come up with some excuse or they never made any statement about ir
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: David in MN on August 02, 2020, 07:09:28 PM
Minneapolis police now recommend giving in quickly to thieves and carjackers. From our ABC affiliate:

https://kstp.com/minnesota-news/minneapolis-police-warn-of-increase-in-carjacking-robberies-/5809314/

FWIW the mayor still insists there isn't a problem.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Docwatmo on August 03, 2020, 06:53:41 AM
Does the stupidity get any worse?
https://gfycat.com/thinpowerlessechidna-facepalm (https://gfycat.com/thinpowerlessechidna-facepalm)

(https://gfycat.com/thinpowerlessechidna-facepalm)
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on August 03, 2020, 08:21:48 AM
In Louisville, BLM/ANTIFA is demanding downtown businesses cough up 1.5% of sales monthly (along with other actions) or face social media and physical attacks.  Immigrant business owners are rejecting the extortion citing they came to America to avoid this type of corruption. They have already sustained damage to their properties and social media attacks for rejecting it.

https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/36586-blm-activists-threaten-louisville-businesses-offer-race-reparations-or-we-ll-trash-you-online (https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/36586-blm-activists-threaten-louisville-businesses-offer-race-reparations-or-we-ll-trash-you-online)
BLM “Activists” Threaten Louisville Businesses: Offer Race Reparations or We’ll Trash You Online

.the BLM demands are as follows:

1. Businesses will adequately represent the black population of Louisville by having a minimum of 23% black staff (including management) in front of house positions, and maintain commitment and accountability to increasing that number (accountability roundtable information below).

2. Retail locations will include a minimum of 23% inventory of black retailers OR make a recurring monthly donation of 1.5% of net sales to black local organizations.

3. Business owners will require diversity, equity, & inclusion training for their staffs, to be conducted by any one of the black women leaders on the attached list. Training will be conducted thereafter on a bi-annual basis.

4. Customize your own OR display one of the attached written statements in a viable location within your business to increase awareness and show support for the reparations movement.

5. Non-profits in NuLu district will submit to a voluntary, external audit of their board of trustees and take necessary steps towards 23% representation on those boards.

6. Business owners & non-profit leaders will participate in quarterly roundtable discussions to be held accountable for their communities to these demands, and work together towards increased equity.

7. Maintain adequate black representation in any entertainment and performances booked at your business.

8. Dress code policies inherently discriminate against black folks, women, and the transgender community. You must eliminate dress code policies that promote profiling towards patrons and employees, including their hair requirements or stipulations, which can disproportionately target black folks.

9. 23% black representation on the board of the NuLu Business Association.



https://www.foxnews.com/us/cuban-business-owner-in-louisville-decries-blm-protesters-demands-as-mafia-tactics (https://www.foxnews.com/us/cuban-business-owner-in-louisville-decries-blm-protesters-demands-as-mafia-tactics)
Cuban business owner in Louisville decries BLM protesters’ demands as ‘mafia tactics’
Martinez came to the U.S. on a raft at 18 in search for a better life


The paper cited a press release that said the letter was delivered by protesters who told Martinez to put it on his front door so “your business is not f***ed with.
...
The paper reported that Martinez, who is a partner of the Ole Restaurant Group and came to the U.S. on a raft at age 18, was not the only business owner who received the letter and he took to Facebook to write, "There comes a time in life that you have to make a stand and you have to really prove your convictions and what you believe in. All good people need to denounce this. How can you justified (sic) injustice with more injustice?”

The paper reported that some of the demands laid out in the letter included a minimum of 23 percent of the staff being Black and buying at least 23 percent of their goods from Black-owned retailers, to name a few.
...
The paper reported that about 100 members of the city’s Cuban community gathered in front of Martinez’s newest restaurants in the area known as NuLu.

The paper said Martinez gave a passionate speech and talked about how his restaurant is open to everybody. At one point, he said, “How can I be called a bigot and a racist when my family is Black? When my son is gay?  I’m the proud father of a gay son, and I’m gonna fight for him against anybody.
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Sadiqa Reynolds, the president and CEO of the Louisville Urban League, took to Facebook to say that she will no longer eat at the restaurant and wonders why “any human, other than a racist, would choose this time to tell us how little our lives matter.”
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on August 03, 2020, 10:09:25 PM
Well this definitely explains the first coroner's report.  The video, which keeps being taken down, shows Floyd was in some sort of panicked drug induced state and neither his companian, who cooperated fully with police, or the police could calm him down.  He was handcuffed and put in back of police car in seated position.  But he started begging cops to let him lay on ground saying he couldnt bresth.  This was before he struggled with cops on ground and was put in a neck hold.  The prosecutors are going to have a tough time proving that the hold was the primary cause of death. 

https://www.foxnews.com/us/george-floyd-police-bodycam-footage-leaked-daily-mail (https://www.foxnews.com/us/george-floyd-police-bodycam-footage-leaked-daily-mail)
Police bodycam footage of George Floyd arrest leaked, published despite public distribution being prohibited[/i]

Analysis: https://youtu.be/DH50eDBDApQ (https://youtu.be/DH50eDBDApQ)
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: surfivor on August 05, 2020, 06:50:40 AM
Well this definitely explains the first coroner's report.  The video, which keeps being taken down, shows Floyd was in some sort of panicked drug induced state and neither his companian, who cooperated fully with police, or the police could calm him down.  He was handcuffed and put in back of police car in seated position.  But he started begging cops to let him lay on ground saying he couldnt bresth.  This was before he struggled with cops on ground and was put in a neck hold.  The prosecutors are going to have a tough time proving that the hold was the primary cause of death. 

https://www.foxnews.com/us/george-floyd-police-bodycam-footage-leaked-daily-mail (https://www.foxnews.com/us/george-floyd-police-bodycam-footage-leaked-daily-mail)
Police bodycam footage of George Floyd arrest leaked, published despite public distribution being prohibited[/i]

Analysis: https://youtu.be/DH50eDBDApQ (https://youtu.be/DH50eDBDApQ)

 I don't know about the evidence specifically but I do not that state governments and others are always trying to withhold evidence and information and they certainly did that in Sandy Hook. There was much speculation about Floyd because certain things didn't add up
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on August 07, 2020, 11:26:41 AM
As the violent riots have continued, there are no excuses left.  Even the mayor is waking up, though for political reasons not any concern for the police, residents, and business owners.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/portland-mayor-condemns-rioters-for-attempting-to-commit-murder (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/portland-mayor-condemns-rioters-for-attempting-to-commit-murder)
Portland mayor condemns rioters for 'attempting to commit murder'

“When you commit arson with an accelerant in an attempt to burn down a building that is occupied by people who you have intentionally trapped inside, you are not demonstrating, you are attempting to commit murder," Wheeler, a Democrat, said during a Thursday press conference in response to a riot declared by police early Wednesday morning when people attempted to burn down a police precinct with officers inside.

"Don’t think for a moment that you are, if you are participating in this activity, you are not being a prop for the reelection campaign of Donald Trump — because you absolutely are," he continued. "You are creating the b-roll film that will be used in ads nationally to help Donald Trump during this campaign. If you don’t want to be part of that, then don’t show up.”
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on August 10, 2020, 05:52:19 AM
More "mostly peaceful" protests, this time in Chicago.  They are making great strides in ensuring justice and reforming police.  Congratulations to Mayor Lightfoot who brilliantly signalled that they would pull back all federal and state officers and curtail arrests by city/county police.  This move clearly won over the goodwill of the protesters and led to the kumbaya situation.  Brilliant leadership!  The people of Chicago can sleep easy knowing their residences, businesses, and cultural landmarks are safe.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-chicago-downtown-looting-20200810-3zwa3b7zzrc5vdyb4qjqywrjvu-story.html?outputType=amp (https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-chicago-downtown-looting-20200810-3zwa3b7zzrc5vdyb4qjqywrjvu-story.html?outputType=amp)
Chicago police return fire as looters hit Mag Mile, smashing windows and confronting officers

Hundreds of people swept through the Magnificent Mile and other parts of downtown Chicago early Monday, smashing windows, looting stores, confronting police and at one point exchanging gunfire with officers, authorities said.

The shots were fired at Michigan Avenue and Lake Street around 4:30 a.m., nearly five hours into the widespread vandalism.
...
The looting began shortly after midnight as people darted through broken store windows and doors along Michigan Avenue carrying shopping bags full of merchandise. Cars dropped off more people as the crowd grew. At least one U-Haul van was seen pulling up.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: FreeLancer on August 11, 2020, 01:50:36 PM
https://nypost.com/2020/08/01/protestors-burn-bible-american-flag-as-tensions-rise-in-portland/ (https://nypost.com/2020/08/01/protestors-burn-bible-american-flag-as-tensions-rise-in-portland/)

....


“Left-wing activists bring a stack of Bibles to burn in front of the federal courthouse in Portland,” claimed Ian Miles Cheong on Twitter Saturday."



NYT:  A Bible Burning, a Russian News Agency and a Story Too Good to Check Out (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/11/us/politics/russia-disinformation-election-meddling.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage)

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The story was a near-perfect fit for a central Trump campaign talking point — that with liberals and Democrats comes godless disorder — and it went viral among Republicans within hours of appearing earlier this month. The New York Post wrote about it, as did The Federalist, saying that the protesters had shown “their true colors.” Senator Ted Cruz, the Texas Republican, said of the protesters, “This is who they are.” Donald Trump Jr., the president’s son, tweeted that antifa had moved to “the book burning phase.”

The truth was far more mundane. A few protesters among the many thousands appear to have burned a single Bible — and possibly a second — for kindling to start a bigger fire. None of the other protesters seemed to notice or care.

Yet in the rush to paint all the protesters as Bible-burning zealots, few of the politicians or commentators who weighed in on the incident took the time to look into the story’s veracity, or to figure out that it had originated with a Kremlin-backed video news agency. And now, days later, the Portland Bible burnings appear to be one of the first viral Russian disinformation hits of the 2020 presidential campaign.

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The Russian technique is a kind of information laundering, akin to money laundering. Stories originate with Russian-backed news sites, some of them directly connected to Moscow’s spy agencies, officials and experts said. They are then picked up by Americans on social media or in domestic news outlets, and their origins quickly become obscured. Often, by the time a story reaches most of its American audience, there is little to indicate that it was created to fuel grievances and deepen political divisions.

Some of the news outlets used by Russia are well known, like RT, the Kremlin-financed operation whose video news agency, Ruptly, put out the video of the Bible burning. Others are more obscure, including some directly connected to Russia’s spy agencies, and are used to actively test themes and stories to see which ones play best.

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The Bible appears to be used as kindling by two protesters working on the fire. There is no discernible reaction from the crowd as the book is put in the flames along with twigs and branches, notebook pages and newspapers. The crowd does cheer when an American flag is thrown on the flames.

Apart from the Ruptly videographer, only one other journalist — a local television reporter — heard about the Bible burning, and noted it with a single sentence in a lengthy report on that night’s protests. The story, by KOIN, the local CBS News affiliate, also reported that a group of women calling themselves Moms United for Black Lives Matter attempted to put out the fire — a detail not included in the Ruptly video, which was edited to string together a number of clips from the night. (A New York Times reporter had observed a truck offering free Bibles at the protests earlier that night, though it was not clear whether it provided the book that was burned.)

Ruptly instead made the Bible burning a focus of its protest coverage that night. The news agency tweeted the video twice on Aug. 1 — here and here — and featured it on its website. In the tweets and text that accompany the video on the agency’s website, the Bible burning is presented as the night’s central event; the flag burning is secondary. RT, the network that runs Ruptly, also wrote an entire story about the Bible burning.

Ruptly and RT then let Twitter take it from there.

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Asked about his tweet, Mr. Cheong said he “was just trawling through Twitter looking for ‘Portland’ as I normally do” and heard talk of it of the Bible burnings.

He did not see the stacks of Bibles being burned that he described in his tweet. All he saw was the Ruptly video of the single burning Bible.

“Apart from the Ruptly video,” he wrote in a direct message on Twitter, “I don’t think anyone else got it directly.”

The Portland video represents the Russian disinformation strategy at its most successful. Take a small but potentially inflammatory incident, blow it out of proportion and let others on the political fringes in the United States or Canada or Europe spread it.

Mr. Cheong, for instance, does not appear to be in any way complicit. He regularly tweets multiple videos a night from the protests and, he said, “It definitely wasn’t my intention to drive just the one story.”

But the Bible video fit his politics, and his tweet about it caught fire.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on August 11, 2020, 02:35:24 PM
LOL.  By definition, it isnt disinformation if it is true.  Even Snopes gives it an unambiguous 'true'.  Kind of hard not to when there are numerous clear videos, photos, and reports.  Not only did they look at the night event, they hunted down multiple other instances of bible burning throughout the day like here where the reporter directly confirmed it was a bible:

(https://www.snopes.com/tachyon/2020/08/Screen-Shot-2020-08-04-at-5.54.26-PM-1.png)

To imply flags and bibles werent burnt is truly disinformation spreading.  Snopes even cites the NYT claim after showing that bibles and flags were burnt. It is funny how these news agencies are trying once again to push the "Putin is everywhere" narrative.  :rofl:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/portland-protesters-burn-bibles/ (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/portland-protesters-burn-bibles/)
Did Portland Protesters Burn Bibles and American Flags?

Protesters In Portland, Oregon, burned American flags and Bibles during anti-racism protests in the summer of 2020.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on August 11, 2020, 03:26:27 PM
LOL.  By definition, it isnt disinformation if it is true.  Even Snopes gives it an unambiguous 'true'.  Kind of hard not to when there are numerous clear videos, photos, and reports.  Not only did they look at the night event, they hunted down multiple other instances of bible burning throughout the day like here where the reporter directly confirmed it was a bible:

(https://www.snopes.com/tachyon/2020/08/Screen-Shot-2020-08-04-at-5.54.26-PM-1.png)

To imply flags and bibles werent burnt is truly disinformation spreading.  Snopes even cites the NYT claim after showing that bibles and flags were burnt. It is funny how these news agencies are trying once again to push the "Putin is everywhere" narrative.  :rofl:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/portland-protesters-burn-bibles/ (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/portland-protesters-burn-bibles/)
Did Portland Protesters Burn Bibles and American Flags?

Protesters In Portland, Oregon, burned American flags and Bibles during anti-racism protests in the summer of 2020.


And even worse is the media blackout of attacks against places of worship by these rioters.  Very bad portend of things to come.

https://www.newsweek.com/warning-smoldering-bible-portland-opinion-1522533 (https://www.newsweek.com/warning-smoldering-bible-portland-opinion-1522533)
A Warning From a Smoldering Bible in Portland

But violent demonstrators did not desire quietness.

After midnight, they burned a Bible and an American flag.
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Most Americans have at least a vague idea about Nazi book burnings....The burning of works by Jewish authors, and Jewish literature, took precedence over everything else.
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Germany's book and synagogue burnings continued with the launching of World War II. In 1939, after the Wehrmacht invaded Poland, among Germany's first acts of destruction was to burn tens of thousands of volumes of holy texts in the library of Lublin's famous yeshiva.
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During the protests following George Floyd's murder, houses of worship have been targeted—with the media paying scant attention.

Included was the fire at Washington, D.C.'s historic St John's Episcopal Church and a synagogue in Los Angeles. Later, over a single weekend, four Catholic Church-owned buildings from Boston to Los Angeles were reportedly attacked.
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Clearly, flag burning, however you view it, is an act of secular protest.

But the burning of the Bible is different. Bible burners want to eradicate the religious truths which have provided believers with pillars of hope and faith, and which have inspired even non-believers to pursue a just and compassionate world.

This is why the Bible has always been attacked by the Hitlers, the Stalins, the Maos—and yes, the Xis and the Kims of the world.



And the other thing the media has mostly ignored are the regular attacks on clergy people. And dont forget all the religious statues which have been toppled by them.   Sorry, this cant be hung on Putin.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on August 11, 2020, 09:48:25 PM
Must see video.  Interviews with business owners of Minneapolis who had their establishments and their employees lives devastated by the "mostly peaceful protesters".  In one case, an immigrant family had their business destroyed after politicians refused to protect it, then the city fenced it off and sent them a bill for the fence! 

https://youtu.be/PwDcNWUvyjY (https://youtu.be/PwDcNWUvyjY)
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on August 12, 2020, 07:53:22 AM
Uh oh.  Looks like the Russians are at it again.  Those KGB agents are getting really good at dressing up in black  bloc and hopping around to Green Day.  You can almost be fooled into thinking they were 20 something West Coasties.

https://www.themix.net/2020/07/disturbing-video-shows-portland-rioters-roasting-a-severed-pigs-head-wearing-cop-hat-and-flag/ (https://www.themix.net/2020/07/disturbing-video-shows-portland-rioters-roasting-a-severed-pigs-head-wearing-cop-hat-and-flag/)
Disturbing Video Shows Portland Rioters Roasting A Severed Pig’s Head Wearing Cop Hat and Flag

Disturbing video posted by journalist Andy Ngo shows Portland rioters put an actual pig’s head wearing a police hat on an American flag before lighting it ablaze in an attempt to scare and threaten cops. This act is not just disrespectful but truly sickening.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on August 12, 2020, 09:33:14 AM
Rather than abating the Portland riots have grown and moved into normally quiet residential neighborhoods.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/portland-protests-move-into-usually-quiet-nighttime-streets-report-says.amp (https://www.foxnews.com/us/portland-protests-move-into-usually-quiet-nighttime-streets-report-says.amp)
Portland protests move into ‘usually quiet nighttime streets,’ report says

Portland’s top newspaper reported Tuesday that after weeks of unrest in the city’s downtown, the “main action” appears to have shifted to neighborhoods just outside the city, prompting residents to post their concerns on various Internet forums.

The Oregonian reported that protests in the city are approaching their 80th consecutive night and residents are taking to online platforms like Reddit to post their growing safety concerns.
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“Lots of people worked hard to make our little neighborhood pleasant and to help local businesses stay open. Now it’s trashed. This was not a BLM [Black Lives Matter] protest, this was a tantrum by a bunch of entitled kids.”
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“What I saw last night was violence; these people did not care about property. Talk. Work your problems out, and vote. If you don’t like what’s happening vote them out, vote for change, that’s democracy.”
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The report said the shift brings "crowds of demonstrators and a heavy police force onto usually quiet nighttime streets."

Detractors of the violent protests sparked by George Floyd’s death in Minneapolis police custody have warned that what first unfolds in the heart of major cities will eventually spill over into residential areas.
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violent demonstrations continue in the city that had hoped for calm after federal agents withdrew more than a week ago.
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President Trump on Monday urged Portland to "bring in" the National Guard, after months of unrest, calling the city "out of control," and warning local officials that they will "be held responsible."
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on August 13, 2020, 12:58:44 PM
It is amazing the strength of the bubble these "celebrities" live in.  Demanding that the national anthem no longer be played and then when denied, kneeling during it to show disrespect isnt going to play in Texas or the majority of states.   Then going on TV and caling the fans who pay for everything "ignorant" because they dont agree with a radical agenda just shows how disconnected from reality they are.  No recognition whatsover of the victims of the violent Dallas riots where innocent people were visciously beaten and businesses looted. 

https://www.espn.com/soccer/fc-dallas/story/4158666/fans-boo-players-who-take-a-knee-before-dallas-vs-nashville-in-mls (https://www.espn.com/soccer/fc-dallas/story/4158666/fans-boo-players-who-take-a-knee-before-dallas-vs-nashville-in-mls)
Fans boo players who take a knee before Dallas vs. Nashville in MLS

Dallas defender Reggie Cannon said he was disgusted by the boos at Toyota Stadium,,,

"You can't even have support from your own fans in your own stadium," Cannon said. "It's baffling to me.
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The league has stated publicly that if fans are in the stands, the standard pregame procession, including the national anthem and new MLS anthem, will take place.

"We had someone chanting U.S.A....They think we're the ignorant ones. It's incredibly frustrating. I'm sorry to have this tone, but you have to call it for what it is."
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on August 13, 2020, 06:59:25 PM
Jack posted this on parler.  Talk about adding insult to injury.

https://www.startribune.com/mpls-keeps-landscape-of-rubble-as-city-wants-taxes-before-permit/572091782/ (https://www.startribune.com/mpls-keeps-landscape-of-rubble-as-city-wants-taxes-before-permit/572091782/)
Landscape of rubble persists as Minneapolis demands taxes in exchange for permits

In Minneapolis, on a desolate lot where Don Blyly’s bookstore stood before being destroyed in the May riots, two men finish their cigarettes and then walk through a dangerous landscape filled with slippery debris and sharp objects. The city won’t let Blyly haul away his wreckage without a permit, and he can’t get a contractor to tell him how much it will cost to rebuild the store until that happens.
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“Minneapolis has not been particularly friendly toward business for some time,” said Blyly, who prepaid $8,847 in taxes last week but still hasn’t received his demolition permit. “They say they want to be helpful, but they certainly have not been.”
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on August 14, 2020, 09:29:06 PM
Looks like national guard will need to go in.

https://www.opb.org/article/2020/08/14/oregon-state-police-portland-leave-protest/ (https://www.opb.org/article/2020/08/14/oregon-state-police-portland-leave-protest/)
Oregon State Police leave downtown Portland

The Oregon State Police troopers who have been guarding the Mark O. Hatfield federal courthouse in downtown Portland have left the city as of Thursday, an OSP spokesperson confirmed.

“At this time we are inclined to move those resources back to counties where prosecution of criminal conduct is still a priority,” said OSP Capt. Timothy Fox, in an apparent jab at District Attorney Mike Schmidt’s recent announcement that he would be dropping a significant portion of the more than 500 protester cases brought over the course of the demonstrations.

The state police were brought in July 30 to protect the federal property for two weeks as part of a deal negotiated between Gov. Kate Brown and Vice President Mike Pence to get a surge of federal officers off Portland streets. The federal officers from U.S. Customs and Border Protection, the Federal Protective Service and U.S. Marshals were sent as part of President Trump’s executive order protecting statues and monuments in response to what the order called “criminal violence.”
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An official with the U.S. Department of Homeland Security who was not authorized to speak on the record said Oregon State Police played a critical role and improved the situation on the ground.

“The governor and Oregon police really delivered,” the official said. “We applaud what they did here, we’re disappointed that they’re pulling out. We’re all going to try and keep the momentum going that they started.”
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PPB did not immediately respond to requests for comment.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on August 14, 2020, 11:44:09 PM
It's all about Justice for George Floyd, right?

https://nypost.com/2020/08/14/seattle-blm-protesters-demand-white-people-give-up-their-homes/amp/ (https://nypost.com/2020/08/14/seattle-blm-protesters-demand-white-people-give-up-their-homes/amp/)
Seattle BLM protesters demand white people ‘give up’ their homes


https://www.wbez.org/amp/stories/winning-has-come-through-revolts-a-black-lives-matter-activist-on-why-she-supports-looting/398d0f3f-73d0-4f2e-ae32-04cceba0d322 (https://www.wbez.org/amp/stories/winning-has-come-through-revolts-a-black-lives-matter-activist-on-why-she-supports-looting/398d0f3f-73d0-4f2e-ae32-04cceba0d322)
‘Winning Has Come Through Revolts’: A Black Lives Matter Activist On Why She Supports Looting


https://www.foxnews.com/us/chicago-black-lives-matter-looting-reparations-peaceful-protests-dismissed.amp (https://www.foxnews.com/us/chicago-black-lives-matter-looting-reparations-peaceful-protests-dismissed.amp)
Chicago Black Lives Matter organizer who called looting 'reparations' dismisses peaceful protesting
The Chicago Black Lives Matter organizer who justified looting as “reparation” has doubled down — insisting this week that even calling someone a criminal is “based on racism.”
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on August 16, 2020, 06:50:21 PM
https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/violence-erupts-at-protests-in-chicago-portland-11597596900 (https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/violence-erupts-at-protests-in-chicago-portland-11597596900)
Violence Erupts at Protests in Chicago, Portland
Chicago’s police superintendent says agitators hijacked a peaceful demonstration


(https://images.wsj.net/im-221443?width=620&size=1.5)
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on August 17, 2020, 06:43:49 AM
The "mostly peaceful" protests continue. Even "the press" joins in now. Just a small taste of what American cities will be like under a Biden-then-Harris administration. Get out while you still can.  This only continues to escalate.

https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/512233-riot-declared-in-portland?amp= (https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/512233-riot-declared-in-portland?amp=)
Riot declared in Portland

Police in Portland, Ore., declared that a protest outside a law enforcement building Saturday evening had become a riot and made numerous arrests after officers and police vehicles were allegedly hit with rocks and other objects.
...
Protest Blocks Streets, Officers Assaulted, Pelted With Rocks, Glass Bottles, Other Objects.
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Police added that two Portland officers were treated for injuries sustained when they were hit by thrown objects, including one that was allegedly thrown by an individual in a crowd of people wearing press badges or other articles of clothing identifying themselves as members of the media.

"Officers reported having rocks, frozen eggs, glass bottles, and frozen water bottles thrown at them. Officers reported people were shining green lasers at them, which is against the law in Oregon. Somebody spray painted over a security camera on the Penumbra Kelly Building," read the police statement.


(https://mobile.twitter.com/PortlandPolice/status/1294599319182618624/photo/1)
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Docwatmo on August 17, 2020, 07:02:47 AM
I haven't had a chance to read everything, but didn't the autopsy report show a lethal dose of ketamine?     
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on August 17, 2020, 08:56:22 AM
This is justice for George Floyd?

https://nypost.com/2020/08/17/blm-mob-beat-white-man-unconscious-after-making-him-crash-truck/amp/ (https://nypost.com/2020/08/17/blm-mob-beat-white-man-unconscious-after-making-him-crash-truck/amp/)
BLM mob beats white man unconscious after making him crash truck: video

A mob of Portland Black Lives Matter and Antifa militants forced a white man to crash his truck, then punched and kicked him unconscious, disturbing footage shows.

A series of clips on social media shows the victim being surrounded in his white truck at 10:30 p.m. Sunday as others attacked his wife, who was punched and even tackled to the ground during the violent melee.

“He didn’t do nothing!” someone could be heard calling as others punched the driver as he sat in his truck, which was also repeatedly kicked.

The unidentified driver eventually sped off, with the mob chasing him — with some heard loudly laughing when he crashed into a light pole, according to the clips.

He was dragged from the truck and tackled to the ground — getting repeatedly punched as he tried to call his wife while also pleading with his attackers as he sat on the ground, the videos show.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on August 17, 2020, 10:06:00 AM
I haven't had a chance to read everything, but didn't the autopsy report show a lethal dose of ketamine?   

There were two autopsies done on Floyd, one by the government and one by the family.  The government one ruled it death by heart failure and found several drugs in his system including fentanyl, methamphetamine, and cannabinoids.  The family report concluded death was caused by asphyxiation from sustained pressure and details on drugs were not released from what I've seen.

Not sure about ketamine.  Could it be a confusion with the Elijah McClain case where paramediics injected him with ketamine?

Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on August 21, 2020, 10:40:43 PM
Glad to see how peaceful Portland has become under the control of Biden's "Courageous Group of Americans".  So much more effective than having peace officers and a working justice system. Truly a model for all America.

https://nypost.com/2020/08/19/portland-businesses-fleeing-downtown-over-nightly-blm-riots/amp/ (https://nypost.com/2020/08/19/portland-businesses-fleeing-downtown-over-nightly-blm-riots/amp/)
Portland businesses fleeing downtown offices over nightly BLM riots

Large companies are fleeing offices in downtown Portland — because nightly Black Lives Matter riots are making the heart of the Oregon city a no-go area, according to a report.

“Businesses are leaving,” Andrew Hoan, president and CEO of the Portland Business Alliance (PBA), told KATU.

“The financial consequences to the downtown corridor are a running calculation that is almost impossible to wrap your mind around,” he said — with one company already saying the riots have cost $20 million in damage and lost business.


https://www.koin.com/news/protests/night-82-portland-protest-march-08182020/amp/ (https://www.koin.com/news/protests/night-82-portland-protest-march-08182020/amp/)
Night 82: County office building set on fire, riot declared

Police declared a riot in Southeast Portland after at least 200 people marched to the Multnomah County Building, threw rocks through windows and started a fire inside the office for the 82nd night of protests in the city.

After marching from Colonel Summers Park on SE Belmont Street to the county building on SE Hawthorne and Grand, the group started lighting dumpster fires and throwing rocks through the building’s windows. By about 10:20 p.m., flames were running up curtains hanging near cubicles inside of the building after protesters threw lit newspapers through the broken windows.



https://katu.com/amp/news/local/security-manager-asks-portland-city-employees-to-leave-downtown (https://katu.com/amp/news/local/security-manager-asks-portland-city-employees-to-leave-downtown)
Security manager asks Portland city employees to leave downtown

The city of Portland’s security manager sent an email Friday to city employees asking them to leave downtown by noon and avoid the area throughout the weekend.

“As you may know, there are scheduled demonstrations for the downtown corridor this afternoon and this weekend, as well as the potential for increases in dangerous or violent activity,” Manny Guerra wrote.

Meanwhile, the FBI is investigating a car bomb threat that forced the closure of federal buildings Friday.


https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/08/21/nolte-blm-mob-terrorizes-residential-area-wake-up-motherfker/ (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/08/21/nolte-blm-mob-terrorizes-residential-area-wake-up-motherfker/)
BLM Mob Terrorizes Residential Area — ‘Wake Up, Motherf**ker!’

The 55 second video shows a mob of domestic terrorists using a megaphone to repeatedly scream “Wake up, mother f—ker wake up!” in the middle of a residential street, which they are obviously blocking. They also shine lights in the windows of the homes.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Greekman on August 21, 2020, 11:48:44 PM
I am curious...

What i get from the media and this page is that riots etc etc happen:
1. in just the few major cities (portalnd, Austin, minneapolis) and not smaller ones around the US.
2. only in democrats controlled cities.
Am I right?

especially regarding observation no2.
Is that because the city officials are keen on anti-trump/Law&Order riots, sacrificing their cities future prospects? And have the political mechanisms in place to make it happen and sustain?
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on August 22, 2020, 12:14:24 AM
I am curious...

What i get from the media and this page is that riots etc etc happen:
1. in just the few major cities (portalnd, Austin, minneapolis) and not smaller ones around the US.
2. only in democrats controlled cities.
Am I right?

especially regarding observation no2.
Is that because the city officials are keen on anti-trump/Law&Order riots, sacrificing their cities future prospects? And have the political mechanisms in place to make it happen and sustain?

It almost exclusively happens in progressive democrat areas where the ANTIFA hate groups have formed and are given free rein.  There are plenty of cities with more conservative democrats where, like in republican, libertarian, and independent areas, there are no riots. 

Even out West, in the smaller cities the rioters are generally rounded up by the residents and kicked out of town before they can cause much damage.  For example, ANTIFA tried to move into Northern Colorado where they started attacking police officers. The towns quickly had enough of them and started escorting them out:

https://youtu.be/WDeeO_FPA0c (https://youtu.be/WDeeO_FPA0c)

That is what happened in the largest city here.  ANTIFA came to town but everyone was well prepared so they immediately left.  Three of their leaders organized to loot a store, but police discovered their plans on social media and were waiting inside the store and arrested them when they started.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: LvsChant on August 22, 2020, 08:35:27 AM
And then, after these cities have been allowed to be damaged heavily by rioters and looters, those same people criticize the federal government for not providing federal aid to rebuild the cities. amazing. They also do not want any assistance from the federal government or even the local state national guard in quelling the riots. They prefer to let the looting and burning occur and then later defund their own police departments, making them even more ineffective.

It really defies logic.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: David in MN on August 22, 2020, 09:03:46 AM
The vast majority of cities with a liberal bias have remained relatively safe and calm. Yes, all the bad cities were lefty but that doesn't seem to define the problem.

Also bear in mind several of these cities have been actively trying to destroy themselves for decades. We lose sight that in the best of times LA is turning into a homeless camp and Chicago has a murder problem.

The big problem is the cities that just laid down in front of street violence. When the mayor of Minneapolis says there are no problems when you can see entire blocks burned out or the mayor of Seattle comparing a violent takeover of a small part of the city to a street festival it's a completely different animal. You've gone from incompetence to willful ignorance.

This leaves you with 2 big problems with American cities today. First, being in a big city means you are playing Russian roulette if something breaks out. You do not have the confidence that the local government will protect your property or safety. That will be priced in as people decide where to live, work, vacation, and visit. Not good. The second problem, far worse than the first is the stigma cities will catch. Pre 2020 we all already knew that LA was a cesspool, San Francisco wasn't far behind, Chicago had a violence problem, New York had some rough spots, Baltimore had crime issues, etc. But Minneapolis, Portland, and Seattle didn't make the list. But they've really tarnished their reputations.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on August 22, 2020, 09:57:20 AM
There is nothing "liberal" about these areas. They are as unliberal authoritarian as it gets.  You can tell which areas have riots simply by looking at their representatives.

Minneapolis - Ilhan Omar, Progressive Caucus
Detroit - Rashida Tlaib, Progressive Caucus
Potland, Oregan - Suzanne Bonamici; Earl Blumenauer; Pete DeFazio, all Progressive Caucus
St Louis - Lacy Clay, Progressive Caucus
Queens New York - Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Progressive Caucus
Cleveland - Marcia Fudge, Progressive Caucus
Atlanta - Hank Johnson, Progressive Caucus
Memphis - Steve Cohen, Progressive Caucus
Chicago - Chuy Garcia, Danny Davis; Jan Schakowsky, all Progressive Caucus
Seattle - Pramila Jayapal; Adam Smith, both Progressive Caucus
Austin - Lloyd Doggett, Progressive Caucus
Milwauki - Gwen Moore, Progressive Caucus
Los Angeles - Ted Lieu; Jimmy Gomez; and half a dozen other, all Progressive Caucus

Did I miss any major riot areas?
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Greekman on August 22, 2020, 11:10:29 AM
did not knew about the Progressive Caucus...

Seems that the are trying to affirm their status among other things...
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: David in MN on August 24, 2020, 04:44:44 PM
Might I point out that both Mayor Lightfoot (Chicago) and Mayor Durkin (Seattle) have allowed violent riots in their cities but both chose to use the police to protect their houses?

It warms my little black anarchist heart to see politicians behave like... politicians.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on August 24, 2020, 05:16:39 PM
Might I point out that both Mayor Lightfoot (Chicago) and Mayor Durkin (Seattle) have allowed violent riots in their cities but both chose to use the police to protect their houses?

It warms my little black anarchist heart to see politicians behave like... politicians.

Thery are relative amateurs compared to de Blasio in New York.  Besides his tax payer funded, personal 2 dozen strong entourage, he took another 27 police officers off violence prevention detail to guard 24/7 the"Black Lives Matter" words illegally painted on the street in front of Trump Tower.  Talk about TDS.  That man done lost his mind.

https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/as-crime-in-new-york-including-murders-skyrocket-de-blasio-has-27-officers-a-day-guarding-black-lives-matter-mural/ (https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/as-crime-in-new-york-including-murders-skyrocket-de-blasio-has-27-officers-a-day-guarding-black-lives-matter-mural/)
As crime and murders skyrocket in NYC, mayor has 27 officers a day guarding Black Lives Matter “mural”

NEW YORK, NY – You’ve really got to hand it to New York Mayor Bill de Blasio. As violent crime goes out of control in the Big Apple, de Blasio, or as radio talk show host Mark Levin calls him, “de Commie-o,” at least has his “priorities” straight.

He has directed that 27 police officers daily be assigned to protect the Black Lives Matter “mural” outside of Trump Tower.

Mural or graffiti? We’ll let you decide.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on August 26, 2020, 05:52:07 PM
The simple narrative driving the riots are failing.  These situations were much more complicated than media portrayed.

https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/court-filings-medical-examiner-thought-george-floyd-had-fatal-level-of-fentanyl-in-system (https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/court-filings-medical-examiner-thought-george-floyd-had-fatal-level-of-fentanyl-in-system)
Court filings: Medical examiner thought George Floyd had 'fatal level' of fentanyl in system

The autopsy revealed no physical evidence suggesting that Mr. Floyd died of asphyxiation.” Baker told the attorney his investigation was incomplete pending a toxicology report, however.

The other memorandum filed June 1 by the Attorney’s Office indicated Baker said Floyd’s level of fentanyl was “pretty high,” and a potentially “fatal level.

"[Dr. Andrew Baker] said that if Mr. Floyd had been found dead in his home (or anywhere else) and there were no other contributing factors he would conclude that it was an overdose death,” the June 1 memo said.



https://madison365.com/kenohsa-police-opened-fire-less-than-5-minutes-after-being-called-scanner-audio/ (https://madison365.com/kenohsa-police-opened-fire-less-than-5-minutes-after-being-called-scanner-audio/)
Kenosha police opened fire less than 5 minutes after being called: scanner audio

According to the audio obtained by Madison365, someone called police to report that Blake was at her home and wasn’t supposed to be, and that he had taken her keys and was refusing to give them back. A dispatcher relayed this message to patrol officers at about 5:11 pm Sunday.

About 30 seconds later, she let patrol officers know that there was “an alert at this address for a 99 for this subject,” apparently to indicate that a warrant had been issued for Blake’s arrest. Court records indicate a warrant was issued on three charges — two misdemeanors and one G-class felony — on July 7.
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About a minute after the initial call, the dispatcher indicated that Blake was leaving the premises, and that the woman who had initially called had hung up.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on August 26, 2020, 07:49:40 PM
https://www.foxnews.com/us/blake-had-knife-in-car-when-kenosha-cop-shot-him-wisconsin-doj.amp (https://www.foxnews.com/us/blake-had-knife-in-car-when-kenosha-cop-shot-him-wisconsin-doj.amp)
Blake had knife in car when Kenosha cop shot him

Jacob Blake had a knife on the floorboard of his car when he was shot by police
...
officers responded to a domestic dispute after a woman reported her boyfriend was unlawfully on the premises. Officers attempted to arrest Blake and a Taser was used, but it did not subdue him.

As Blake walked around to the driver's side of the SUV, he opened the door and leaned forward into the vehicle. Sheskey held onto Blake's shirt and fired seven times, striking him in the back
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on August 27, 2020, 07:14:23 AM
What a clown.

https://www.kgw.com/amp/article/news/local/protests/portland-mayor-ted-wheeler-discuss-protests-violence/283-a865cfe8-60ad-4628-a730-a023cc2c9d5e (https://www.kgw.com/amp/article/news/local/protests/portland-mayor-ted-wheeler-discuss-protests-violence/283-a865cfe8-60ad-4628-a730-a023cc2c9d5e)
Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler calls on community effort to ‘rise up’ to end violence, restart economy

Wheeler said he hasn’t focused enough on what he called the two most important issues facing Portland: ending the nightly violence and the city's economic recovery.
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Wheeler was mostly silent over the last week as protests, riots and violence continued on a nightly basis. In Wednesday's news conference, he asked for the city’s help to "rise up" with a collective voice.

“We have allowed our proud tradition of progressive protests to be stolen by a few dozen individuals engaged in violence and criminal destruction,” Wheeler said. “That’s a line we can’t allow our community to cross. Not anymore. Enough is enough. It’s time to rise up and take immediate steps to repair and beautify our city. But I need the help of the entire community.”
. ...
The mayor didn’t have specifics Wednesday, saying details about his plan would be released in the coming days.

Wheeler, who is also the police commissioner, plans to meet with the Portland Police Bureau (PPB) Wednesday night. He said two goals are to determine if PPB needs more resources to help bring an end to the violence
...
Lovell told Wheeler police didn’t have enough personnel on hand to make targeted arrests
..
Wheeler plans to meet with business leaders on Thursday to discuss what can be done to assure them the downtown area is safe and welcoming to customers.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Greekman on August 27, 2020, 12:01:27 PM
one more step to a mob tyranny?

BLM mob forces DC restaurant patrons to raise fists in ‘black power’ salute
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prmL14ERKkQ
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: David in MN on August 27, 2020, 03:43:24 PM
And Minneapolis burned again after a man committed suicide.

https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2020/08/27/widespread-looting-leaves-downtown-minneapolis-shattered-mayor-says-more-destruction-will-not-be-tolerated/

Nicollet isn't really a road. Only buses are allowed on it and it boasts heavy pedestrian traffic at very spendy places. The damaged IDS tower is the biggest building in the state.

Always kind of wondered what a firsthand view of a failed city would look like.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on August 27, 2020, 06:05:17 PM
So sad that Seattle mayor and prosecutor still refuse to take action and have the murderers charged and prosecuted.  Those antifa thugs are still out there.  Hopefully the civil case will help motivate them to finally act.

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/father-of-seattle-chaz-chop-shooting-victim-files-3b-claims-against-seattle-king-county-and-the-state-of-washington-301119783.html (https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/father-of-seattle-chaz-chop-shooting-victim-files-3b-claims-against-seattle-king-county-and-the-state-of-washington-301119783.html)
Father Of Seattle "CHAZ-CHOP" Shooting Victim Files $3B Claims Against Seattle, King County And The State Of Washington

Horace Anderson- father of Lorenzo Anderson -- the special needs teenager murdered on June 20, 2020 amid the lawlessness that occurred within Seattle's seven-block zone known as "CHOP/CHAZ" – has filed 3 separate $1 billion claims against the City of Seattle, the County of King and the State of Washington.  It is by far the largest claim filed in connection to the government's failure to protect its citizens amid the CHOP/CHAZ fiasco. Additional documentation for the claims can be seen here.
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the actions and inactions by the City of Seattle, County of King and State of Washington are directly responsible for creating a hazardous, and lawless situation that resulted in the shooting death of his son.
...
"This case warrants punitive or exemplary damages in order to punish the City of Seattle, County of King, the State of Washington and their agents for their outrageous conduct that allowed lawlessness to reign. Such failure to protect citizens must not be allowed to happen again." 
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on August 27, 2020, 11:52:29 PM
This is the right call.  You have to stop rewarding the looters.

https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2020/08/27/its-just-not-worth-it-anymore-for-some-minneapolis-businesses-wednesdays-riots-were-the-last-straw/amp/ (https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2020/08/27/its-just-not-worth-it-anymore-for-some-minneapolis-businesses-wednesdays-riots-were-the-last-straw/amp/)
‘It’s Just Not Worth It Anymore’: For Many Minneapolis Businesses, Wednesday’s Riots Were The Last Straw

Even before last nights destruction and looting, a number of downtown businesses had been re-thinking their future in the city. WCCO spoke with some of them today about the damage they endured and their futures moving forward.

One of those businesses is Dahl Medical Supply, located at 12th and Nicollet. They’ve been downtown for about 12 years, but after last night, they don’t plan to stick around another day.

“You feel so hopeless and helpless. I have to get there. I have to defend,” Lisa Steffes said.

That helpless feeling grew throughout Wednesday night, as Steffes watched surveillance video of looters ransacking her store.

“We had several windows broken. And we had a lot of looting,” Steffes said. “They stole things. They stole all of our computers and technology.”

For her and her family, it was the last straw. On Thursday morning, they parked a moving van in front of the store and began loading up the merchandise the thieves didn’t take.

“This was it for us. It really, really was. We are a family-owned business,” Steffes said. “It’s just not worth it anymore being downtown. And we all grew up working downtown.”
...
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: David in MN on August 28, 2020, 05:36:24 AM
Extra bad for Minneapolis businesses. The city has a policy that businesses are not permitted to put up external shutters. The policy, put in in (if memory serves) 2004 states that shutters are unsightly and lend to an unsafe feeling about the community.

So Minneapolis policy is that you won't get police protection, you basically can't defend yourself, and you can't even protect your windows on your existing business. Sounds great.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on August 28, 2020, 07:18:51 AM
The Biden campaign and DNC have reporredly stepped up their use of ANTIFA.

https://www.salon.com/2020/08/22/democrats-have-a-plan-to-disrupt-trumps-convention-and-cripple-his-message-report_partner/ (https://www.salon.com/2020/08/22/democrats-have-a-plan-to-disrupt-trumps-convention-and-cripple-his-message-report_partner/)
Democrats have a plan to disrupt Trump’s convention and cripple his message: report
Democratic strategists plan to do everything they can to disrupt the Republican National convention


Tom Perez, the chairman of the Democratic Party, explained the strategy saying, "Whereas our themes, our unity and our speakers exude optimism and hope in the face of so many challenges, the Republican convention next week will be marked by chaos, chaos, chaos."


https://www.foxnews.com/politics/sen-rand-paul-thanks-dc-cops-for-saving-him-from-crazed-mob-after-rnc.amp (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/sen-rand-paul-thanks-dc-cops-for-saving-him-from-crazed-mob-after-rnc.amp)
Sen. Rand Paul thanks DC cops for saving him from 'crazed mob' after RNC
"Just got attacked by an angry mob of over 100, one block away from the White House," Paul tweeted


Video on social media appeared to show a crowd chasing and jeering Paul, who was escorted by D.C. police as he returned to his hotel. An officer was captured on video being shoved by a protester and was nearly knocked over. Paul appeared to help steady the officer.

Police formed a wall around Paul and his wife, Kelley Paul as protesters chanted, "Breonna Taylor" and "no justice, no peace!"
...
Videos emerged on social media that appeared to show city police clashing with protesters who called them names like "pig." There were unconfirmed reports of arrests
...
Video emerged that claimed to show a bus carrying RNC attendees being targeted by protesters, some of whom jumped on and tried to gain entry. Others appeared to try and prevent the bus from backing up.
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Video posted by the Daily Caller purportedly showed protesters hurling expletives at attendees leaving Trump's speech. Police officers appeared to provide security for the guests.
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Agitators also chased out a cameraman from the area near the White House. They threatened to beat him up and destroy his camera.
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A guillotine has been put in front of the fencing near the White House.
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An elderly couple was confronted as they crossed the street by at least one protester who screamed at them while making an obscene gesture, according to a video.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on August 28, 2020, 11:18:16 AM
He made a huge tactical error thinking they could outrace the mob from the Kamala Harris rally.  She had them whipped up to the point of bloodthirstiness. 

https://youtu.be/OFDx5qTlGjU (https://youtu.be/OFDx5qTlGjU)
Rand Paul recounts being surrounded by protesters after he left the RNC
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: David in MN on August 29, 2020, 02:03:47 PM
So suppose I'm in the jury for one of the officers involved in George Floyd's death. And I could be as a Hennepin County resident. I walk into that courtroom knowing if I don't toe the line with Keith Ellison's really bad murder 2 charges I will get to see Minneapolis burn once again and have rioters seeking my house. My life would be forfeit.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: LvsChant on August 30, 2020, 11:08:51 AM
So suppose I'm in the jury for one of the officers involved in George Floyd's death. And I could be as a Hennepin County resident. I walk into that courtroom knowing if I don't toe the line with Keith Ellison's really bad murder 2 charges I will get to see Minneapolis burn once again and have rioters seeking my house. My life would be forfeit.

Has it really come to that? That is a truly horrible thought... when it is actually risking your own and your family's safety to simply act as a normal citizen.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Docwatmo on August 30, 2020, 12:33:30 PM
This is the highest form of evil.  When this occurs, and it will.  Civil war will come.  And it will be bad.  fortunately, the vast majority don"t follow the left/right paradigm and just want to be left alone.  And when that juggernaut starts to roll, the terrorists will finally understand the beast they have unleashed.  And it will be bad. 
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: David in MN on August 31, 2020, 10:20:28 AM
Here's a take from the owner of Brit's Pub which was looted and burned.

https://wccoradio.radio.com/articles/feature-article/owner-of-brits-pub-says-downtown-isnt-safe-for-business

Brit's is kind of a Minneapolis institution. It's a little over-the-top in its Britishy stuff but the food is good, they serve real English beer, and in the warm months they host English lawn bowling on the back roof. It wouldn't be my first choice in a bar (Psycho Suzi's) but I've been many times, particularly because my work mentor was Jamaican and he loved the English culture. Also kind of a niche hang for non-Americans because they only play international sports so when you're there you watch soccer and rugby.

It's rather telling that the owner speaks candidly that not only is Minneapolis unsafe for business but that the patrons have ceased wanting to be downtown. Chilling that 911 calls are being told to wait.

I'll add that I think the press is being very disingenuous about what's happening. When they say Nicollet burned, that's the priciest real estate in the city. When they say "a fire broke out" (one can only assume spontaneous combustion) in Dinkytown that's the university. When a resident hears this stuff it's not like hearing about the rough spots in the city you should avoid. We hear that we're not safe anywhere.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on August 31, 2020, 05:49:33 PM
Remember that "innocent, peaceful" BLM protester whose federal arrest was the impetus for the violent riots in Wisconsin?  It resulted in statues torn done, businesses looted/burned, and even a state senator beaten.  We are now learning the truth.

He was top BLM "muscle" sent into Wisconsin with his team to extort businesses.  He and his team would go to those businesses that claim to support BLM to avoid trouble (that is, trying to be "grey").  Here is how one business owner described their approach:

The owner told him that he supports the Black Lives Matter movement to which Johnson replied, according to court documents, “What have you done locally?” He said he'd start breaking windows if he didn't get money and accused the owner and his employees of being members of the Ku Klux Klan. The owner told police he was afraid protesters would target his business because he didn't give Johnson what he wanted.

Johnson allegedly returned twice to the tavern on Tuesday, at one point joined by two other men. He shouted allegations of racism through a megaphone and swung a bat, according to the affidavit. One of the men had a bat with “Black Lives Matter” written on it.

“Just give us some free food and beer and we can end this now,” Johnson said, according to the affidavit. “You don't want 600 people to come here and destroy your business and burn it down. The cops are on our side. You notice that when you call them, nothing happens to us.”


This type of extortion went on for weeks with many businesses.  It only ended when he attacked a mother and her children with a baseball back for the crime of praying a rosary in the park.

The whole mess started when Johnson, a felon on probation, allegedly accosted a suburban Dane County Catholic mother of four as she prayed the Rosary with her children on the western corner of the Capitol Square. “He had the bat over his shoulder and then it slung down. I just knew he was going to get us,” said the woman, who asked not to be identified by name for fear of reprisal. “He was yelling that he knew I was rich because I was a … b*tch. It had nothing to do with skin. He didn’t yell anything about skin (color). He yelled about praying, he yelled that I was fat, that I was rich. It was crazy.”
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The woman said Johnson yelled something along the lines of “don’t think your God’s going to save you”


Police said Johnson then accosted patrons on the patio of The Cooper Tavern, 20 W. Mifflin St. Video released by the Madison Police Department shows a young black man with a bat and bullhorn follow a white man into the tavern, shouting that the white man was a racist. Inside the establishment, the man identified as Johnson shouted into the bullhorn about religion and how the Civil War was fought “to see who gonna control the ni**ers.”

We’re going to talk about this Jesus guy,” the man yelled while looking directly at someone filming the incident. “Jesus was not a white man with blond hair, blue eyes and pink lips.” That was an apparent reference to prominent Black Lives Matter activist Shaun King, who said earlier this week that artistic depictions of Christ as a white man should be torn down.


Background articles:

https://freebeacon.com/latest-news/wisconsin-dem-lawmaker-brutally-beaten-by-protesters/ (https://freebeacon.com/latest-news/wisconsin-dem-lawmaker-brutally-beaten-by-protesters/)
Wisconsin Dem Lawmaker Brutally Beaten by Protesters

https://www.catholicworldreport.com/2020/06/24/madisons-days-of-rage/ (https://www.catholicworldreport.com/2020/06/24/madisons-days-of-rage/)
Madison’s Days of Rage
Arrest of black activist who allegedly accosted a Rosary-praying mother of four and restaurant patrons sparks riots, firebomb, and criminal damage to statues in the downtown of Wisconsin’s capital.

url]https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/wisconsin-man-triggered-protest-charged-extortion-71484903[/url]
Wisconsin man who triggered protest charged with extortion
Federal prosecutors have charged a Black man whose arrest triggered a violent protest in Wisconsin's capital city with extorting local businesses


url]https://www.catholicworldreport.com/2020/06/27/blm-activist-faces-federal-extortion-charges-in-madison-wi/[/url]
BLM activist faces federal extortion charges in Madison, WI
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Docwatmo on August 31, 2020, 07:15:09 PM
Its hard to believe anyone with any sense of morality could support these terrorists.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: surfivor on September 02, 2020, 12:10:52 AM
Where i live on the east coast you see black lives matter signs all over the place at least in some of the suburbs. I don't think the media is reporting what's going on in many places. Some stuff I see on FB is from people who know more about what's going on. There are also a fair amount on the other side as if it's  mostly peaceful protesters or that Trump somehow caused it I guess is the narrative and that Trump supporters are racists. I'm sure there's peaceful protesters but the violence seems like it's on the scale of a full out war in some of those cities is the impression I get. We had some serious property destruction in Boston probably 6 weeks ago or whenever it was but not much else since then in the new england area that I am aware of or that I can recall.

I went to a music store last weekend and this guy was freaked out about everything and that guy rittenhouse. This is the first time that has happened where I met a stranger in public who had that reaction and he was not a leftists but seemed quite alarmed and he showed me a mini torch he could use to burn someone for self defense

We know of a woman who adopted a Chinese girl from china. The girl is now college age and calls the mother a racist for supporting trump. I think the mother must be helping this girl go to an expensive college as well  There is a very strong contingent of hard core leftists and anti trump people out there and people who see trump as the worst thing that's ever happened. I know there are some sensitive types of issues .. I tend to be politically correct myself but I think it has become like a puritanical religion to promote certain political correctness.

Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: surfivor on September 02, 2020, 12:35:44 AM
Alex jones mentioned how NPR ran an article that was called "in defense of looting". If you can support looting for social justice then it's not too far from there to support killing people either which seems to be what some of the radicals are doing and basically calling for war on the streets. I think Jack said that that's what they want and to go down that road is a trap. I have thought the same thing but at some point it seems like it becomes inevitable that you can't expect people to be attacked and not want to fight back

https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2020/08/27/906642178/one-authors-argument-in-defense-of-looting

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When she finished it, back in April, she wrote that "a new energy of resistance is building across the country." Now, as protests and riots continue to grip cities, she stakes out a provocative position: that looting is a powerful tool to bring about real, lasting change in society. The rioters who smash windows and take items from stores, she claims, are engaging in a powerful tactic that questions the justice of "law and order," and the distribution of property and wealth in an unequal society.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: DDJ on September 02, 2020, 10:53:52 AM

Just because I looked up Terrorism on Wiki how are these riots not falling under that.  Does anyone have a "legal" dictionary is there an organizational component to it that is not in Wiki?. 


Terrorism is, in the broadest sense, the use of intentional violence for political or religious purposes.[1] It is used in this regard primarily to refer to violence during peacetime or in the context of war against non-combatants (mostly civilians and neutral military personnel).[2] The terms "terrorist" and "terrorism" originated during the French Revolution of the late 18th century[3] but gained mainstream popularity in the 1970s during the conflicts of Northern Ireland, the Basque Country and Palestine. The increased use of suicide attacks from the 1980s onwards was typified by the September 11 attacks in New York City and Washington, D.C. in 2001.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism)

By the same token the unbadged "Defenders of Freedom" who go to the places to stop the Riots would then also fall under the same ruling/definition. 

Those that do have a badge and/or the authority of law are not 100% correct.  There is always the debate as to the enforcement of law and order with violence and where the line is. 

Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: surfivor on September 02, 2020, 11:18:59 AM
Just because I looked up Terrorism on Wiki how are these riots not falling under that.  Does anyone have a "legal" dictionary is there an organizational component to it that is not in Wiki?. 


Terrorism is, in the broadest sense, the use of intentional violence for political or religious purposes.[1] It is used in this regard primarily to refer to violence during peacetime or in the context of war against non-combatants (mostly civilians and neutral military personnel).[2] The terms "terrorist" and "terrorism" originated during the French Revolution of the late 18th century[3] but gained mainstream popularity in the 1970s during the conflicts of Northern Ireland, the Basque Country and Palestine. The increased use of suicide attacks from the 1980s onwards was typified by the September 11 attacks in New York City and Washington, D.C. in 2001.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism)

By the same token the unbadged "Defenders of Freedom" who go to the places to stop the Riots would then also fall under the same ruling/definition. 

Those that do have a badge and/or the authority of law are not 100% correct.  There is always the debate as to the enforcement of law and order with violence and where the line is.

 I have never liked the term terrorism which came from 911 mostly and the patriot act but clearly there is some kind of warfare going on so one can either deny that or pick a side I suppose depending on what you believe or the other possibility is that you could be under the influence of propaganda
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Morning Sunshine on September 02, 2020, 11:25:50 AM
I have never liked the term terrorism which came from 911 mostly and the patriot act but clearly there is some kind of warfare going on so one can either deny that or pick a side I suppose depending on what you believe or the other possibility is that you could be under the influence of propaganda

disagree.  They were using the term terrorist LONG before 9/11.  In the early 90s (when I started being aware of news and events) I heard the word terrorist.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on September 02, 2020, 12:03:15 PM
disagree.  They were using the term terrorist LONG before 9/11.  In the early 90s (when I started being aware of news and events) I heard the word terrorist.

Yep.  It has been a constant since the 1970s.  The big turning point in global coverage was the Munich massacre. 

This said, the patriot act did provide a definition for determining if crimes constituted "domestic terrorism".  As explained in the ACLU summary:

A person engages in domestic terrorism if they do an act "dangerous to human life" that is a violation of the criminal laws of a state or the United States, if the act appears to be intended to:  (i) intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination or kidnapping.

ANTIFA is now classified as a domestic terrorist organization as its members clearly fit the definition on all points.

On a related topic, America's favorite mayor is now hiding from ANTIFA. They tried to burn down his condo complex killing him and everyone else inside.

https://nypost.com/2020/09/02/portland-mayor-wheeler-moving-to-avoid-rioters-targeting-building/ (https://nypost.com/2020/09/02/portland-mayor-wheeler-moving-to-avoid-rioters-targeting-building/)
Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler moving to avoid rioters targeting his home
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: surfivor on September 02, 2020, 02:34:51 PM
 It isn't a generic term ? I mean the British empire could have said that the colonist or G Washington was a terrorist. What is an enemy combatant. It's very similar it means those are the bad guys

What is the war on terror really or what are it's objectives, not to end all terrorism. The CIA has helped fund terrorists too. I can relate to what people mean by using terrorism as word but I find it kind of subjective at least. I mean the second amendment is there to protect against tyranny but someone could claim that sounds like potential terrorism

The government basically said in order to fight terrorism we need to spy on everyone, curb all privacy and civil liberties. That is the result of 911 and the war on terror but I never thought any of that made sense and never bought into any of it. So terrorism sometimes seems like a loaded term tied to all that. That in no way means I like antifa as it seems we are headed to some kind of war and they are like the enemy, communists basically
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on September 02, 2020, 03:38:59 PM
There are general definitions then there are legal definitions.  Legal definitions are used in all legal matters (criminal and civil procedures).  Both domestic terrorism and enemy combatant have very specific definitions which limit how they are applied in these matters.  Enemy combatant was first defined by the supreme court in the 1940s as a type of unlawful combatant:

Unlawful combatants are likewise subject to capture and detention, but in addition they are subject to trial and punishment by military tribunals for acts which render their belligerency unlawful. The spy who secretly and without uniform passes the military lines of a belligerent in time of war, seeking to gather military information and communicate it to the enemy, or an enemy combatant who without uniform comes secretly through the lines for the purpose of waging war by destruction of life or property, are familiar examples of belligerents who are generally deemed not to be entitled to the status of prisoners of war, but to be offenders against the law of war subject to trial and punishment by military tribunals.

This was later refined in the MCA of 2006: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_Commissions_Act_of_2006#Unlawful_and_lawful_enemy_combatant (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_Commissions_Act_of_2006#Unlawful_and_lawful_enemy_combatant)

So, no, they just cant name someone these things.  They are very strictly defined for legal matters.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: surfivor on September 02, 2020, 06:01:49 PM
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not to be entitled to the status of prisoners of war, but to be offenders against the law of war subject to trial and punishment by military tribunals.

Does this try to justify things such as torture ? I have never supported torture and don't agree with rationalizations or claims about it's usefulness; probably not solitary confinement such as assange etc either. A quick and short death by firing squad is even more humane treatment. I don't care what ethics experts and others may claim
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: surfivor on September 02, 2020, 06:27:54 PM
Politico says this as I recall (below) and habeus corpus seems like a basic right for modern civilization.

My impression and from memory is it can basically give the government the ability to arrest someone without charges and hold them in prison indefinitely without a trial or charges which violates the right of due process for potentially anyone it sounds like such as citizens etc, it seems very much an ideal condition for tyranny and loss of basic freedom. Even if I think trump may not do such things, I really don't like this stuff and terminology left over from 911

>> Enemy combatants may have their Habeas Corpus rights — the right for anyone imprisoned by America to challenge their imprisonment — suspended. Therefore, they can be imprisoned for an indefinite period of time without being able to challenge it.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Morning Sunshine on September 02, 2020, 06:44:09 PM
Politico says this as I recall (below) and habeus corpus seems like a basic right for modern civilization.

My impression and from memory is it can basically give the government the ability to arrest someone without charges and hold them in prison indefinitely without a trial or charges which violates the right of due process for potentially anyone it sounds like such as citizens etc, it seems very much an ideal condition for tyranny and loss of basic freedom. Even if I think trump may not do such things, I really don't like this stuff and terminology left over from 911

>> Enemy combatants may have their Habeas Corpus rights — the right for anyone imprisoned by America to challenge their imprisonment — suspended. Therefore, they can be imprisoned for an indefinite period of time without being able to challenge it.

I regret my attitude after 9/11.  I cheered for the creation of the Dept. of Homeland Security (What is the Dept. of Defense for if not to protect - to DEFEND - our homeland?  It implies that our military is ONLY for conflicts abroad, and we have need of a new system for our actual DEFENSE.)
I also lauded the Patriot Act.  I wish to high heaven that I had not; not that one lone peon citizen would have made a difference, but the bill was too big, too unwieldy, and TOO FAST to have been done with liberties and freedom in mind.  it needs to be repealed.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on September 02, 2020, 07:16:46 PM
Does this try to justify things such as torture ?

Absolutely not.  Bush tried to use it as such when CIA went totally nuts but was rebuked.  Torture is explicitely prohibited by the Detainee Treatment Act.

Politico says this as I recall (below) and habeus corpus seems like a basic right for modern civilization.

Habeus Corpus was protected through the actions of libertarians who led suit against Bush.  The Supreme Court ruled in Boumediene v. Bush that detainees had the direct right to habeas corpus challenges. And even the dissenting opinion still required HC rights just through different process.  It was never a question for citizens so has no bearing on domestic terrorism.

I regret my attitude after 9/11.  I cheered for the creation of the Dept. of Homeland Security (What is the Dept. of Defense for if not to protect - to DEFEND - our homeland?  It implies that our military is ONLY for conflicts abroad, and we have need of a new system for our actual DEFENSE.)
I also lauded the Patriot Act.  I wish to high heaven that I had not; not that one lone peon citizen would have made a difference, but the bill was too big, too unwieldy, and TOO FAST to have been done with liberties and freedom in mind.  it needs to be repealed.

I was against all of them from start but understand why people thought they were needed.  But good news is that we have been chipping away at them steadily.  And the last really aggregious part, the FISA Court and domestic spying, will fall if either Trump or Jo Jorgensen win the next term.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: surfivor on September 03, 2020, 12:43:54 AM
I think lincoln suspended habeus corpus but after the civil war ended then what he did no longer applied. I feel like what started with 911 is still effecting us 20 years later with stuff like the patriot act etc. This article indicates that the justice department and those in washington are still at it with the supposed plandemic to implement emergency powers that suspend habeus corpus when the threat is exhagerated and unproven


https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/21/doj-coronavirus-emergency-powers-140023
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on September 03, 2020, 06:44:01 AM
This article indicates that the justice department and those in washington are still at it with the supposed plandemic to implement emergency powers that suspend habeus corpus when the threat is exhagerated and unproven

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/21/doj-coronavirus-emergency-powers-140023

You expected the deep state to stop trying?  They use every crisis to push for an elimination of basic rights.  See the book "Crisis and Leviathan".  They never let sn emergency go to waste. That is why it is important to stay vigilant and push back on them. But right now Habeus Corpus is our least worry as it is easily defended.  A republican form of government, the right to keep and bear arms, the right of self-defense, an impartial justice system, fair/transparent elections and basic freedom of speech are under major assault with the pandemic and riots.   This is where the real battle is.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on September 05, 2020, 11:03:12 AM
CNN is trying to downplay the thousands who have been impacted by the violent riots;  businesses, government buildings, places of worship and homes looted/burned, innocent people beaten, raped, killed, mass migrations, peace officers retiring in droves.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/09/04/us/blm-protests-peaceful-report-trnd/index.html (https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/09/04/us/blm-protests-peaceful-report-trnd/index.html)
About 93% of racial justice protests in the US have been peaceful, a new report finds

Meanwhile on the #tspfriends parler feed:

(https://libertyassociate.com/survival_podcast/parler1.jpeg)

(https://libertyassociate.com/survival_podcast/parler3.jpeg)

(https://libertyassociate.com/survival_podcast/parler2.png)
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on September 05, 2020, 04:24:51 PM
Vice,CNN, and other media outlets have lionized the BLM/ANTIFA wacko Michael Reinoehl promoting him as a hero who saved a person of color from a right wing extremist.  They even gave him a platform for raising funds.  But it was all lies.  Reinoehl stalked peaceful Trump supporters, ambushed them, and murdered Danielson, an unarmed man, in cold blood.  Tim Pool covers the warrant which includes the photographic evidence.

https://youtu.be/WXnWo0Ddtek (https://youtu.be/WXnWo0Ddtek)
Warrant CONFIRMS Antifa BLM shooter stalked Trump supporters
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on September 05, 2020, 07:56:55 PM
Watch this video of what happened to restaurant that signaled they were pro BLM: https://facebook.com/st4ckattack/videos/353073329388514/ (https://facebook.com/st4ckattack/videos/353073329388514/)

I am sure their paying customers were thrilled.  Being grey doesnt pay.

https://www.newsweek.com/rochester-restaurant-offered-blm-protesters-water-regrouping-space-hours-before-being-vandalized-1529901 (https://www.newsweek.com/rochester-restaurant-offered-blm-protesters-water-regrouping-space-hours-before-being-vandalized-1529901)
Rochester Restaurant Offered BLM Protesters Water, Regrouping Space Hours Before Being Vandalized

Just hours before a Rochester, New York, restaurant was swarmed and vandalized by protestors
...
Organizers of the Friday protests were seen yelling at Swan Dive patrons who were sitting outside eating when the establishment was swarmed by protesters.

But just hours before Friday's destruction and videos showing scared diners fleeing Swan Dive, the restaurant's Instagram page offered the establishment up as a place for protesters to "hang" and "regroup."
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"Pssst. The Back Bar is back in business TONIGHT and every Friday + Saturday. Seating is limited and spacious. Open til 1am P.S IF YOU ARE OUT TONIGHT TO RALLY AND NEED A SPOT TO HANG, NEED WATER OR JUST TO REGROUP WE ARE OPEN FOR WHATEVER YOU NEED," reads Swan Dive's Friday afternoon Instagram ppost

Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Greekman on September 06, 2020, 01:48:02 AM
Vice,CNN, and other media outlets have lionized the BLM/ANTIFA wacko Michael Reinoehl promoting him as a hero who saved a person of color from a right wing extremist.  They even gave him a platform for raising funds.  But it was all lies.  Reinoehl stalked peaceful Trump supporters, ambushed them, and murdered Danielson, an unarmed man, in cold blood.  Tim Pool covers the warrant which includes the photographic evidence.

https://youtu.be/WXnWo0Ddtek (https://youtu.be/WXnWo0Ddtek)
Warrant CONFIRMS Antifa BLM shooter stalked Trump supporters

same guy?
Antifa sympathizer killed by police after deadly Portland shooting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ds2o0D5HO9U
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on September 06, 2020, 08:25:33 AM
same guy?
Antifa sympathizer killed by police after deadly Portland shooting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ds2o0D5HO9U

Yes.  He led an antifa "protection squad" of at least ten people including his son who were paid to be muscle at riots. 
After he was outed by some internet sleuths on 4CHAN who uncovered his identity, he ran back to an area of Washington where he was stationed because the prosecutor and local politicians pledged not to arrest, prosecute, or extradite any antifa members.  He went on TV where Vice and CNN pumped him up as a hero and helped direct money to a gofundme campaign he was using to cash in on the murder.  What he didnt count on was Trump issuing an action whereby local police are being deputized as federal officers and thereby can bypass local prosecuting attorneys for things which can be prosecuted at the federal level.  So some local police teamed with federal marshals to bring him in.  He thought he could shoot his way out but the police were prepared and took him out.

He wasnt the only one.  They are now prosecuting the antifa thugs at federal level. 

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/09/02/feds-deputize-oregon-state-troopers-as-u-s-marshals-to-prosecute-rioters/ (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/09/02/feds-deputize-oregon-state-troopers-as-u-s-marshals-to-prosecute-rioters/)
Feds Deputize Oregon State Troopers as U.S. Marshals to Prosecute Rioters

They reportedly plan on some flipping and divulging their funding sources.  Expectations are that it will lead back to DNC and Biden campaign just like the funds to bail out rioters did.  Lot's of talk that Loretta Lynch is the acting head of antifa but that hasnt been proven yet.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on September 07, 2020, 08:47:57 AM
Biden bros have a little mishap throwing molotov cocktails at police officers.

https://twitter.com/jasonrantz/status/1302483717877686272?s=20 (https://twitter.com/jasonrantz/status/1302483717877686272?s=20)
Portland Antifa throws Molotov cocktail towards cops but it ends up hitting an agitator instead. Portland is in the middle of another peaceful protest.


Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Docwatmo on September 07, 2020, 03:43:07 PM
 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on September 07, 2020, 09:39:17 PM
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Antifa now has an anthem.

https://youtu.be/kTvhdimBfqg (https://youtu.be/kTvhdimBfqg)
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on September 08, 2020, 08:46:06 AM
https://www.foxnews.com/us/lara-logan-antifa-violence-political-entities.amp (https://www.foxnews.com/us/lara-logan-antifa-violence-political-entities.amp)
Antifa violence backed by ‘powerful political entities’ who need to be exposed to stop it: Lara Logan
'There has been a significant lack of accountability,' Logan says


Antifa violence is backed by “powerful political entities” who need to be exposed to stop it
...
“Accountability is what stops this kind of thing from spreading and there has been a significant lack of accountability, in part, because … these riots have been taking place mostly in Democrat-controlled and Democrat-run cities where the Democrat district attorney just can choose not to prosecute people who are rioting,”
...
“So night after night after night what you see is twice, three times, four times, sometimes five times people are going out, they’re being arrested and they are back on the streets again.”

“That’s demoralizing for the police, but it’s also self-defeating,”
...
“unless you attack the funding and the political support” the situation won’t change.
...
“In part because there has been a very dishonest agenda that’s been pushed by civil society organizations, the political establishment on the left and journalists working hand-in-hand that Antifa is a nonviolent organization
...
“So it’s creeping into government all across this country and for some inexplicable reason there are people in the media and in the political establishment who still want you to believe that this organization is not causing any harm and that they’re fighting for racial justice,”
...
“There is Marxist literature and philosophy that goes back to the 1920s in this country talking about how to use race and sow division and divide people in order to destroy this country and that’s exactly what’s happening right before our eyes.”
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Oakie on September 08, 2020, 12:05:55 PM
Well, there are those who wish to change this world for the better, and,  there are others who desire destruction and chaos.

We need conversation to find solutions. Those who truly desire solutions will sit and talk. I find the History lessons and ideas shared in this extremely valuable to understand the challenge we face today. It is long and I realize one in thousands will give the time to listen but... here it is anyway.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1845&v=APmWVzmjZsw&feature=emb_title

and....when they go to break you must fast forward an hour to pick up 2nd half but imho, well worth the effort.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on September 08, 2020, 11:07:10 PM
You can't make this stuff up.

(https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2020/08/1470/828/CNN-Headline-Fiery-2.jpg)
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on September 10, 2020, 09:01:19 AM
To protect arsonists and looters, Portland politicians ban private companies from using facial recognition.  High end goods stores (eg jewelry, electronics, apparel), banks, and others were comparing photos of arsonists and looters to databases of known felons to catch them.  Now they will be facing jail themselves for protecting their stores.  And you wont believe the excuse they are using (see bold).

I am sure all the people saying "private businesses can do whatever they want" in banning people from social media platforms will rise up in support of business owners here, right?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8716685/amp/Portland-votes-U-S-ban-corporate-use-facial-recognition.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8716685/amp/Portland-votes-U-S-ban-corporate-use-facial-recognition.html)
Portland becomes the first U.S. city to ban companies using facial recognition software on customers after the mayor said it could be used for surveillance

Portland on Wednesday voted in favor of the first-ever ban in the United States on private entities, such as restaurants and retail stores, from using facial recognition technology in public places in the city.
...
City council commissioners voted unanimously for the ban, CNN Business reports.
...
The technology has won over businesses...in the last few years despite objections from those who say it... exacerbates racial and gender biases.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on September 10, 2020, 05:17:06 PM
Anrifa/BLM caught setting fires out West presumably to blame and bankrupt the utilities.  A leader was caught red handed.  He has long history of being released by prosecutors and being bailed out by the activist funds.

https://amp.thepostmillennial.com/antifa-activist-charged-for-fire-set-in-washington/ (https://amp.thepostmillennial.com/antifa-activist-charged-for-fire-set-in-washington/)
BLM activist livestreams his own arrest after allegedly setting fire in Washington State

The Post Millennial researched Acord's history of anti-police protesting and encounters with law enforcement. In June, Acord led a Black Lives Matter march in Seattle. Previously in 2014, Acord was caught with a cache of weapons and arrested during the Ferguson Decision Protest. Officers found the man carrying a 7-inch knife in his backpack, a box of ammunition, an assault rifle, a shotgun, and a box full of illegal fireworks in his car, according to a KOMO news report. When officers contacted Acord, he admitted to carrying a loaded gun without a permit. His bail was set for $10,000.
...
Sources told Protester Privilege that Acord is now a suspect in two other local fires. As of Thursday morning, the Sumner Grade Fire in Sumner, that destroyed four homes, and Bonney Lake has burned more than 800 acres.


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Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on September 10, 2020, 08:47:27 PM
Warning to those out West.  The FBI is now investigating numerous attacks on power grid believed to be coordinated attacks by BLM/antifa.  In addition to fires being set, powerline poles are being cut down.

https://www.king5.com/mobile/article/news/crime/chainsaw-vandal-cutting-down-power-poles-in-snohomish-county-draws-attention-from-fbi/281-b9c5436c-f19a-418c-979e-f6ef459eca24 (https://www.king5.com/mobile/article/news/crime/chainsaw-vandal-cutting-down-power-poles-in-snohomish-county-draws-attention-from-fbi/281-b9c5436c-f19a-418c-979e-f6ef459eca24)
'Very dangerous': Police and FBI investigate power poles cut with chainsaw in Snohomish County
Because of the potential for serious injury and the fact that someone is tampering with the public power supply, the FBI is now assisting in the investigation.


Lynnwood Police Commander Sean Doty said that case is especially unsettling considering the lines carry more than 12,000 volts. They are so powerful, you wouldn't even have to touch them to get electrocuted.

"That could've been a fatal situation for whoever was standing nearby," said Doty. "Just due to the proximity to the substation that's there and the current they're carrying. Very dangerous."

As if that weren't enough, it appears the same person tried to cut down four more poles between the popular Interurban Trail and I-5 near the Alderwood Mall.

"It doesn't take a lot of imagination to understand how dangerous this could've been if those poles had actually come down," said the PUD's Thompson.

Both police and the PUD are increasing patrols along the power lines.

Doty said he is especially concerned because this doesn't appear to be the work of a random vandal.

"It's scary," he said. "The determination that was shown, first being successful one day and then coming back and trying four more, that says to me it's more than just kids vandalizing. It's more serious."
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: lonesurvivor200 on September 11, 2020, 04:03:55 AM
You can't make this stuff up.

(https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2020/08/1470/828/CNN-Headline-Fiery-2.jpg)

looks like war  :o
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on September 11, 2020, 07:56:12 AM
Top staffer for Democratic speaker of the house arrested while allegedly coordinating riots leading to dozens of injured police and massive fires.   She was released without even having to pay.  The speaker claims that firebombing is just a form of "nonviolent resistance".

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/top-aide-for-oregon-house-speaker-among-dozens-arrested-in-portland/ar-BB18UfZy (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/top-aide-for-oregon-house-speaker-among-dozens-arrested-in-portland/ar-BB18UfZy)
Top aide for Oregon House Speaker among dozens arrested in Portland

Narayan was arrested at 2:07 am. on Sunday, was released later that day and did not have to pay bail. Her case was dismissed on Monday, according to a spokesperson for Kotek's office.
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"Every person - including members of my staff - has the right to stand up for what they believe and engage in nonviolent resistance," she said.
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Police declared a riot after 9:15 p.m. after protesters threw "multiple fire bombs at officers," with one catching a community member on fire, according to a police release. Rocks, fireworks and mortars were also thrown at officers.

"This criminal activity presented an extreme danger to life safety for all community members, and prompted a declaration of a riot," the release stated. "The crowd was advised over loudspeaker that it was a riot and they were to leave the area to the east immediately" or risk arrest.


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Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on September 12, 2020, 10:10:13 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/66-percent-of-oregon-voters-disapprove-of-protests-in-portland-poll-finds/ar-BB18W3dm (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/66-percent-of-oregon-voters-disapprove-of-protests-in-portland-poll-finds/ar-BB18W3dm)
66 Percent of Oregon Voters Disapprove of Protests in Portland, Poll Finds

A majority of Oregon voters say they disapprove the ongoing protests in Portland, according to a new poll.

The poll, which was conducted by DHM Research, an independent nonpartisan public opinion research firm in Oregon, 66 percent of voters in Oregon said they disapproved of the protests, with 52 percent saying they strongly disapprove and 14 percent saying somewhat.
...
Newsweek reached out to Oregon Governor Kate Brown's office for comment on the poll's findings but did not receive a response
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According to the poll, 48 percent of Oregon voters said they think the protests are harmful to Black Portland residents, while 29 percent said the opposite. Fifty-three percent of Oregon voters said they think the protests are harmful to race relations, while 23 percent said they were helpful.
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42 percent of Oregon voters say that the Portland police have not used enough force in responding to the ongoing protests. Twenty-nine percent said they were using too much, 18 percent said about right and 11 percent said they didn't know.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: David in MN on September 13, 2020, 07:04:59 AM
Kenosha might actually have a police problem. Here's the Michael Bell shooting from 2004.

https://michaelbell.info/Evidence.html

Suffice to say he was shot point blank in the head while handcuffed. So bad the city paid a multimillion dollar settlement in civil court and the family is still pursuing criminal action which may be hard because one of the officers involved committed suicide.

I tend to agree with Scott Horton that BLM really missed the mark. If Dave was in charge I'd be asking serious questions like why in Minnesota is civil asset forfeiture only put upon the poorest in downtown where they are less likely to have credit and do cash transactions? Why in the burbs is policing largely limited to BS speed traps? We all kind of know the answer but keep it secret. You need cash downtown because that's the economy. You also know that giving me a $200 speeding ticket is a win because I'm not going to spend a day and parking fees to drive downtown to fight it. We're all being "policed" to the most efficient way to extract our resources. And to this system young men's corporeal bodies are a resource.

Now when BLM wants to embrace communism and destroy the nuclear family I can't hang my hat there. They were so close to a Radley Balko rethinking of modern policing that I think should happen but boy did they fall short.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on September 13, 2020, 07:31:08 AM
I posted in other thread about BLM/antifa robbing gun stores to get untraceable firearms.  Now we see one tactic they are deploying.  Their muscle is trying to assassinate police officers while their agitators are standing by to intimidate any doctors, nurses, and paramedics who provide treatment.  They even have their own embedded media reps to spin the story in BLM/antifa's favor.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/compton-ambush-leaves-2-la-county-sheriffs-deputies-fighting-for-their-lives.amp (https://www.foxnews.com/us/compton-ambush-leaves-2-la-county-sheriffs-deputies-fighting-for-their-lives.amp)
Compton 'ambush' leaves 2 LA County sheriff's deputies 'fighting for their lives'
"This was an unprovoked, cowardly act," a state lawmaker says


A manhunt was underway in California early Sunday after two Los Angeles County sheriff’s deputies were shot in their patrol car Saturday by a suspect who “opened fire without warning or provocation,”
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Both deputies were sworn in just over a year ago and the female deputy is the mother of a 6-year-old boy, officials said in a 10 p.m. news conference. Both of their families were rallying around them at the hospital.
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anti-police protesters showed up at the hospital where the deputies were being treated...tense moments with authorities who were guarding the entrance
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A local faith leader who came to the hospital to pray for the deputies, told a KABC reporter that some of the protesters had been shouting slogans like "Death to police!"
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A local radio reporter was also apparently arrested amid the chaos.
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the reporter was being released but would be charged with a misdemeanor.
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She had run toward deputies while a male protester was being arrested for failing to comply with dispersal orders at the hospital, the sheriff's office said. While the man struggled with deputies, the sheriff's office said the woman ignored repeated commands to stay back and interfered with the arrest.

The woman had not identified herself as a member of the press, according to the sheriff's office, and later admitted she did not have proper press credentials on her person.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: surfivor on September 13, 2020, 10:22:01 AM

You just label anyone who supports trump or is a police officer and not a radical leftist, call them a white supremacist and then whatever you do seems justified or a good excuse to attack people and fully supported by the media
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on September 13, 2020, 11:16:00 AM
Same tactic BLM/antifa used in seattle's Chazistan, use agitators and drones to block the ambulences and paramedics
.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8727929/amp/Disgusting-scenes-outside-LA-hospital-protesters-taunt-cops-shot-deputies-inside.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8727929/amp/Disgusting-scenes-outside-LA-hospital-protesters-taunt-cops-shot-deputies-inside.html)
'I hope they f**king die': Disgusting scenes outside LA hospital as protesters taunt cops about two young county sheriffs fighting for their lives after being shot in patrol car ambush - while Trump demands gunman is caught and put to death

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/09/13/15/33125458-0-image-a-13_1600008746817.jpg)
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on September 26, 2020, 02:03:26 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/26/us/politics/minneapolis-defund-police.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/26/us/politics/minneapolis-defund-police.html)
How a Pledge to Dismantle the Minneapolis Police Collapsed

Then:
“It’s the only way to stop all the fighting and division,” Ms. Cano wrote. She criticized the city’s mayor, who had recently been booed by protesters for rejecting calls to defund the police. “I think Jacob is totally missing the moral moment.”

In the end, on June 7, nine councilors stood with activists at Powderhorn Park during an event that was neither ambiguous nor done in spirit. The stage was adorned with “Defund the Police” lettering and, after the pledge was read, the crowd cheered the councilors with chants of “Defund M-P-D.”


Now after continual riots and worse crime in city history:

Now some council members would like a do-over.

Councilor Andrew Johnson, one of the nine members who supported the pledge in June, said in an interview that he meant the words “in spirit,” not by the letter. Another councilor, Phillipe Cunningham, said that the language in the pledge was “up for interpretation” and that even among council members soon after the promise was made, “it was very clear that most of us had interpreted that language differently.” Lisa Bender, the council president, paused for 16 seconds when asked if the council’s statement had led to uncertainty at a pivotal moment for the city.

“I think our pledge created confusion in the community and in our wards,” she said.

The regrets formalize a retreat that has quietly played out in Minneapolis
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National polls show decreasing support for Black Lives Matter since a sea change of good will in June. In Minneapolis, the most far-reaching policy efforts meant to address police violence have all but collapsed.
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In interviews this month, about two dozen elected officials, protesters and community leaders described how the City Council members’ pledge to “end policing as we know it” — a mantra to meet the city’s pain — became a case study in how quickly political winds can shift, and what happens when idealistic efforts at structural change meet the legislative process and public opposition.
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Linea Palmisano, a relatively moderate City Council member who was one of three councilors who did not take the pledge, castigated her colleagues: They “have gotten used to these kinds of progressive purity tests,” she said.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on September 27, 2020, 11:15:22 AM
Looks like another planned ambush.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8777035/Shocking-moment-BLM-organizer-plows-car-crowd-Trump-supporters.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8777035/Shocking-moment-BLM-organizer-plows-car-crowd-Trump-supporters.html)
Shocking moment BLM organizer plows her car into crowd of Trump supporters in California and injures two - before she is arrested and charged with attempted murder

Two Trump supporters were injured on Saturday in Yorba Linda, California, when driver Tatiana Turner, 40, ploughed into the crowd

Turner, the founder of pro-BLM group Caravan4Justice in Yorba Linda, was arrested a short distance away after she fled the scene and charged with attempted murder

Car was caught on video accelerating into the crowd of Trump supporters, as an opposing Black Lives Matter demonstration was taking place nearby


(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/09/27/05/33670512-8777035-Tatiana_Turner_40_was_arrested_and_charged_with_attempted_murder-a-1_1601179986473.jpg)
Tatiana Turner, 40, was arrested and charged with attempted murder and assault
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on October 08, 2020, 12:48:55 PM
BLM/antifa now targeting homes.  The sick decision not to charge the violent rioters in St. Louis but instead prosecute innocent home owners protecting their property and lives has signalled that they can rampage without consequence.

https://nypost.com/2020/10/08/blm-mobs-smash-windows-in-residential-homes-during-wisconsin-protests/amp/ (https://nypost.com/2020/10/08/blm-mobs-smash-windows-in-residential-homes-during-wisconsin-protests/amp/)
BLM mobs smash windows in residential homes during Wisconsin protests

Troubling video showed up to a dozen people running up to homes in Wauwatosa, the sound of breaking glass and celebratory horn blasts as they repeatedly hurl heavy objects through windows.

“That’s people’s houses!” at least one distressed-sounding woman screamed, as others tried to get the rampaging mob to stop, as filmed by Julio Rosas, a reporter for the conservative publication Townhall.

“That’s their f—ing home — it’s not their fault!” shouted another man in the crowd.

Wauwatosa police tweeted warnings to locals to “shelter in their homes, lock their doors, and move away from windows.”
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on October 08, 2020, 07:25:16 PM
Oregon is a circus and the clowns are running amok..

(https://thepostmillennial.com/content/images/size/w600/2020/10/Antifa-mugshots.jpg)

https://thepostmillennial.com/portland-d-a-rejects-over-540-riot-related-cases-in-interest-of-justice (https://thepostmillennial.com/portland-d-a-rejects-over-540-riot-related-cases-in-interest-of-justice)
Portland DA rejects over 540 riot-related cases in 'interest of justice'

The new “Mass Demonstration/Protest Case” is the most complete data to date made available to the public regarding the Black Lives Matter-Antifa riots and protests that have convulsed Portland since May. The overview documents filing status, dropped cases, the reasons cases weren’t pursued, nature of crimes and demographic information.

Between May 29 and Oct. 5, there were 974 cases brought to the MCDA’s office by Portland Police. Many involve repeat offenders though the number isn’t published in the report. Nearly 70 percent of these cases were dropped. 543 cases were rejected in the “interest of justice,”
   :wtf:
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on October 12, 2020, 02:11:13 PM
A bunch of privilaged, white antifa Biden/Harris supporters rioted in Portland attacking businesses, homes, and statues while shooting handguns indiscriminately into buildings.  Their stated reason?  No, not Floyd.  He is long forgotten.  Instead they did it to celebrate "indigenous peoples day of rage".  Only problem is that people of indigenous heritage reject rioting, especially the destruction of irreplaceable museum artifacts.

https://www.koin.com/news/protests/protesters-try-to-topple-statue-in-downtown-portland/amp/ (https://www.koin.com/news/protests/protesters-try-to-topple-statue-in-downtown-portland/amp/)
Statues toppled, windows smashed, riot declared downtown

Protesters overturned statues of former Presidents Theodore Roosevelt and Abraham Lincoln in Downtown Sunday night, with organizers calling the event “Indigenous Peoples Day of Rage.”

The event that quickly unraveled from demonstration to destructive protest to riot was deemed by the Portland Police Bureau as one of the most damaging nights of demonstrations in five months of nightly unrest.
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PPB said despite several warnings and riot declaration, the crowd continued committing acts of destruction.

Members of the group broke windows and applied graffiti on businesses as they went, including a jewelry store, restaurants, coffee shop, bank, phone store and more. A restaurant in the 1400 block of SW Park Avenue had at least two bullets fired through the front windows, which lodged in the back wall.


https://www.koin.com/local/multnomah-county/wheeler-protest-riot-press-conference-columbus-indigenous-peoples-day/amp/ (https://www.koin.com/local/multnomah-county/wheeler-protest-riot-press-conference-columbus-indigenous-peoples-day/amp/)
Wheeler, Lovell blast ‘Day of Rage’ violence, destruction

Lovell also described the damage done to the Oregon Historical Society, Portland State University’s Public Safety building — as well as a gunfire aimed at nearby restaurant that left multiple bullet holes. Several windows were broken at another restaurant, a coffee shop and a bank as well, according to Lovell.

“We are five months into this and we still have a fairly high level of violence taking place,” the chief said. “We need to all come together and be mindful of what we want as a city [and] what we’re willing to tolerate. These events, late at night, they purport to have a racial justice nexus, but they’re not that. They’re about violence and criminal destruction and they’re really hurting our community. We all deserve better.”
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an African-American heritage, bicentennial quilt was taken and later found several blocks away. Tymchuk said the quilt was “very wet” but was hopeful it could be displayed again, calling it a “priceless piece of history.”
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The City of Portland’s Director of Tribal Relations Laura John also spoke to the damage caused by rioters.

“The violence doesn’t work for us,” said John. “We know that during the time of Standing Rock, the elders told us that the violence was not going to help.

“We also know, just in reality here, that we cannot tear down the system using fire or rocks or destruction and then build it back up from nothing.”
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on October 12, 2020, 04:34:16 PM
Remember that "security guard" who killed a Trump supporter at what was a peaceful rally until antifa showed up?  Turns out that he wasnt a licensed security guard but apparently was a well known antifa muscle man who was hired by a certain news organization to help them to embed with antifa.  He ended up killing the Trump supporting veteran grandfather in cold blood while he was trying to protect himself from the violent mob.  Will there be any justice for him?

https://www.foxnews.com/us/suspect-in-denver-shooting-not-a-licensed-security-guard-report (https://www.foxnews.com/us/suspect-in-denver-shooting-not-a-licensed-security-guard-report)
Suspect in Denver shooting not a licensed security guard: report
Matthew Robert Dolloff was reportedly working as a contracted security guard for 9News


“My son Lee was at the patriot rally today in Denver,” his mother wrote to the group. “After the rally a person on the BLM and Antifa side went up to him said a few nasty words then shot him in the head. He was murdered because he backed the police.”
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Greekman on October 12, 2020, 09:29:34 PM
why do I get the feeling that the riots/anarchy is intentionally mentioned till the election results?
As a precursor for REALLY big rioting?
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on October 13, 2020, 05:35:27 AM
why do I get the feeling that the riots/anarchy is intentionally mentioned till the election results?
As a precursor for REALLY big rioting?

It"s a preview for what many cities will be like if Biden/Harris win. This is their base and they will be emboldened to escalate the violence should that happen

https://www.foxnews.com/us/antifa-rioters-veteran-portland-cafe.amp (https://www.foxnews.com/us/antifa-rioters-veteran-portland-cafe.amp)
Antifa rioters who targeted Portland cafe 'solidified' his Trump vote, military veteran says
'When I first came here [Portland] about 10 years ago, it was one of the most accepting cities that I knew of,' the cafe owner said


A cafe owned by a military veteran was shot at during a chaotic demonstration in Portland over the weekend after being deemed by rioters as unfriendly to the Black Lives Matter movement.

Heroes American Cafe was targeted for being an "unfriendly business" by so-called Antifa-linked Twitter accounts, owner John Jackson told Fox News.

Two windows in the cafe's downtown location were shot at and another was struck with a blunt object -- possibly a baseball bat -- said Jackson, a Black man who served in the Army and Marine Corps.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Greekman on October 13, 2020, 09:13:07 AM
It"s a preview for what many cities will be like if Biden/Harris win.

I actually think it is a preview of how things will be if Trump wins...
Remember the left's reaction when he won the first time?
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on October 13, 2020, 09:29:57 AM
I actually think it is a preview of how things will be if Trump wins...
Remember the left's reaction when he won the first time?

If Trump wins, their funding will vanish and their shield from prosecution will vanish.  If Biden wins they will have nearly unlimited resources provided to them and all federal law enforcement, which is only thing which has held them at bay at all, will be removed.  Remember, many of these criminals have already been released numerous times, bailed out by Biden campaign sourced money.  Imagine them having carte-blanche pardon in their pocket.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: Docwatmo on October 13, 2020, 09:32:14 AM
I don't see the right doing the same damage if he loses that we see from the left since he took office.  If (more likely when) he wins, the onus of responsibility for kicking off a continued ration of rioting and destruction will be entirely on the left.   And after a re-election, I can see the gov step up and do more to stop the the rioters and terrorists.  I think he was being a bit more careful with the election looming.     
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on October 13, 2020, 09:51:03 AM
(https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2020/10/640/320/portlandstatue-cropped-314a.jpg?ve=1&tl=1)

https://www.foxnews.com/us/key-promoter-for-portlands-day-of-rage-wants-to-abolish-colonial-systems-report-says.amp (https://www.foxnews.com/us/key-promoter-for-portlands-day-of-rage-wants-to-abolish-colonial-systems-report-says.amp)
Promoter for Portland’s ‘Day of Rage’ wants to ‘abolish colonial systems,’ report says
Social media posts have added challenges to Portland police


The Twitter handle Generational Resistance, which promoted Sunday night’s “Day of Rage” in Portland that resulted in the toppling of two statues and damage to several buildings, said its ultimate goal is to “decolonize society by working to abolish colonial systems rooted in racism,” a report said.

The Oregonian newspaper wrote a lengthy article about the group that started mentioning the protest a day earlier.
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The report said one of the instructions on Sunday was that videos and photos were not allowed.
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The paper said it reached out to Generational Resistance members and was issued a statement through its Twitter handle Monday night that read, “We stand to decolonize ourselves and decolonize society by working to abolish colonial systems rooted in racism and build community rooted in liberation.”

President Trump took to Twitter on Monday and posted, “The Radical Left fools in Portland don’t want any help from real Law Enforcement which we will provide instantaneously. Vote!”
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: David in MN on October 25, 2020, 08:21:44 AM
A Minnesota judge dismissed the 3rd degree charges against Chauvin. The actual trial is set for January which is pure brilliance because no matter the result nobody is rioting in Minneapolis in January. You'd lose toes. What's interesting to watch on a local level is that the DA is trying to find the law that will stick but ultimately running into the sad fact that the police basically have carte blanche to beat the crap out of you if they feel it's warranted.

So we're in a bit of a spiral. We can all watch an officer kneel on a guy for 9 minutes which looks beyond the pale to anyone with an evolved sense of human dignity but we also have to ask what "carved in stone" law was actually broken and we have to prosecute a murder when the cause of death is most likely drugs which presumably the police didn't force on Mr. Floyd.

The sad result is that we are left with little more than "I know what I saw was wrong and it should have been handled better" but no real consequence or change.
Title: Re: The George Floyd riots in Mpls
Post by: iam4liberty on October 25, 2020, 09:15:40 AM
A Minnesota judge dismissed the 3rd degree charges against Chauvin. The actual trial is set for January which is pure brilliance because no matter the result nobody is rioting in Minneapolis in January. You'd lose toes. What's interesting to watch on a local level is that the DA is trying to find the law that will stick but ultimately running into the sad fact that the police basically have carte blanche to beat the crap out of you if they feel it's warranted.

It could never be 3rd degree.  As we discussed near start of thread, it can only be 2nd degree:. That third degree was proposed was either incompetence on the part of the prosecutor or an attempt to fuel riots.

It's pretty straight forward.  There is no premeditation therefore 1st is out unless new evidence emerges otherwise.  This was obviously felony level assault so if death is unintentional it would be murder 2.  Not to mention desire to cause injury also makes it murder 2 even if assault not felony.  And if intentional, which could be argued given other police officer suggested he change position but declined to do so, that too would be murder 2.  Murder 3 makes no sense.

They did not drop the second degree charges.  That has been the only legitimate option from the start. Problem for them is that the earlier video makes a conviction on murder 2 completely unlikely unless they succeed in seating a completely biased jury.  Which doesn't seem realistic given the judge appears competent.