Author Topic: Gun purchase before election  (Read 11564 times)

Offline GlenM

  • Survivor
  • ***
  • Posts: 104
  • Karma: 3
Gun purchase before election
« on: October 26, 2008, 08:47:58 PM »
Is there anyone out there buying guns before the election just in case the new President decides to change the current gun laws?  If so what's on your list to purchase?  I'm leaning toward buying a couple of AR lowers.  I know the price has been creeping up on those.  They may prove to be a good investment in the future.

Offline ColdHaven

  • Coldylocks
  • Moderator On Leave
  • Survival Demonstrator
  • *
  • Posts: 3449
  • Karma: 175
  • How about a scary crow little fire?
Re: Gun purchase before election
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2008, 09:29:44 PM »
I would love to own an AR-15 however it is out of my price range. I have been buying guns though. More of that has to do with the ability to aquire food, but it also has its purpose for self defense. I have been buying ammo too. I wanted to make sure I had one of each from: a pistol, rifle, carbine, and a shotgun. I am not sure what will happen after this election, but either way, I think I will need them.

Offline Patriot:Ex Machina

  • Administrator Emeritus
  • Administrator On Leave
  • Survival Demonstrator
  • *
  • Posts: 2758
  • Karma: 140
  • Malo periculosam libertatem quam quietum servitium
    • Patriot Gun & Gear
Re: Gun purchase before election
« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2008, 07:16:27 AM »
At the last several gun shows, I have noticed a lot more purchases. Even with the economy being in the crapper, guns and ammo sales haven't declined. On the contrary, everyone I've talke to who is in the business says that their sales are through the roof.
At least around here.
I've bought quite a bit of ammo lately, moe than usual.
Not only due to the upcoming elections, but also due to some embargos that are coming down the pipe.
I  will post a bit of info on this in a seperate thread.
If I had more cash, I would stock up not only on more guns, but ammo and hi-cap mags. That will also be a target for the gun-grabber administration that is almost upon us.

Offline wbo3

  • Survivalist Mentor
  • *****
  • Posts: 380
  • Karma: 3
Re: Gun purchase before election
« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2008, 08:16:36 AM »
I would love to own an AR-15 however it is out of my price range...

They do not have to be expensive.  Buy a kit from Model 1 or Del-Ton.  I am not a big fan of the model 1 LPK, and I have no experience with the Del-ton other than I had a pistol instructor who swore by them.  It is entirely possible to build a rifle, including a locally purchased lower, for under $600.  You can also do what I did for my last build and get the parts as the funds allow.  I wanted more than a basic gun, but could not afford to run out and purchase all the parts at once, so I staged it.  I bought a stripped lower, then the LPK. Receiver extension tube and buttstock.  Barreled upper.  BCG. Free-float rail. Sights.  My single most expensive purchase was the barreled upper, and it was less than $500.  I could have gotten a cheaper one under $300, but I was hell-bent on using LMT parts for my upper, the BCG and sights are LMT as well, I used a YHM free-float rail.  The last rifle I built using a Madel 1 kit had a total cost of under $600.  Like I said, I did not particularly care for their LPK, but the upper, which is the most important part of the kit, seemed fine.  I may consider them one day if I am just going to build a basic rifle...I do still have a stripped lower in the safe...I may need to think about it.

millerized1

  • Guest
Re: Gun purchase before election
« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2008, 09:30:20 AM »
I'm leaning toward buying a couple of AR lowers.  I know the price has been creeping up on those.  They may prove to be a good investment in the future.
Maybe, but higher capacity magazines will increase in value more.
Lowers, while still inexpensive, do not wear out near as fast as magazines.  Magazines are, more or less, disposable.
Right now, lowers can be had from about $79 and up. http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Receivers.html
Magazines from about $9.http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/C_Products_AR15_30rd_.223_mag.html
Me, personally, I'm thinking it'll be easier for them to tax the living $h!t out of ammunition and components than do an all out ban again.  That's where I'm putting my money.

But, regardless of which, buy stuff that will hedge inflation and bans, even if the concept seems "out there".  Weirder stuff has happened, and even weirder stuff wil.
« Last Edit: October 27, 2008, 09:31:57 AM by millerized1 »

kaiservontexas

  • Guest
Re: Gun purchase before election
« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2008, 12:15:53 PM »
I bought more yesterday. I am not not purchasing for investment purposes. I am purchasing for my own lawful purposes. I say get whatever you want in now instead of tomorrow.

SueDonim

  • Guest
Re: Gun purchase before election
« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2008, 06:42:11 PM »
Apparently, quite a few are thinking that way.

An article in the Wash Post says guns and ammo sales up 8-10%

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/26/AR2008102602505_pf.html

Offline Heavy G

  • Distorting the Space-Time Continuum
  • Moderator On Leave
  • Survival Veteran
  • *
  • Posts: 6776
  • Karma: 310
  • A misfit ant in a grasshopper world.
    • 299 Days
Re: Gun purchase before election
« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2008, 07:31:49 PM »
From my conversations with gun store sales guys, people are coming in to get guns before the election.  Mostly ARs (we have a store in my area that specializes in black guns) and some AKs.  Some semi-auto pistols too.  Magazine sales are up and bulk ammo sales are way up.  There was a spike in sales around the time of the economic stuff in late September.

I recently read a newspaper story that concealed weapons permits in my state (Washington) were up 25% over last year.  Of course the newspaper didn't say it was because a socialist was about to be president but attributed it to people being reminded about gun rights after this summer's Heller decision in the DC gun ban case.

This summer a gun counter sales guy at Cabela's told me there'd be a line out the door of people trying to buy guns if Obama won ...

Offline 19kilo

  • Survivalist Mentor
  • *****
  • Posts: 578
  • Karma: 18
Re: Gun purchase before election
« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2008, 10:02:18 PM »
Quote
Mostly ARs (we have a store in my area that specializes in black guns) and some AKs

How sad is it that this is why they need banned.  (to them)


Offline DarkEyes

  • Senior Survivalist
  • ****
  • Posts: 277
  • Karma: 15
Re: Gun purchase before election
« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2008, 05:13:25 AM »
Wouldn't it be interesting if someone did a survey of how many Americans have purchased beans, bullets and band-aids before the election.  There was a story on our local news that gun sales are up 15% in our area, but so are sales of alcohol.

millerized1

  • Guest
Re: Gun purchase before election
« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2008, 06:04:38 AM »
  Mostly ARs (we have a store in my area that specializes in black guns)

Can we get Al and Jesse involved? That sounds racist to me ;)




 ::)

 :D

Offline Lawyerman

  • Senior Survivalist
  • ****
  • Posts: 266
  • Karma: 13
Re: Gun purchase before election
« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2008, 06:47:24 AM »
I'm leaning toward buying a couple of AR lowers.

And I KNOW that you will complete those lowers into functioning firearms BEFORE any ban. The last time they banned certain features on AR's the rule was that the rifle had to be a complete and functioning weapon BEFORE the ban to qualify as a "pre ban" weapon. It was not enough that the lower itself was "pre ban".

Using a "pre ban" lower that had not been previously fully assembleed to assemble a "pre ban" style rifle after the ban was in effect was a felony. We can't be certain of what provisions any new ban will have but I would almost guarantee they will be similar. If I were you I would have them fully assembled on the effective date of any legislation. 

I know of noone who was ever convicted under that provision of the law but I certainly wouldn't give the snitches and ATF stoolies of the world something to hang over my head........

Offline Patriot:Ex Machina

  • Administrator Emeritus
  • Administrator On Leave
  • Survival Demonstrator
  • *
  • Posts: 2758
  • Karma: 140
  • Malo periculosam libertatem quam quietum servitium
    • Patriot Gun & Gear
Re: Gun purchase before election
« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2008, 07:04:22 AM »
Lawyerman, I going to make you the new Survival Podcast Legal Advisor.  ;D


Offline Lawyerman

  • Senior Survivalist
  • ****
  • Posts: 266
  • Karma: 13
Re: Gun purchase before election
« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2008, 07:28:58 AM »
We need to look out for one another.....nobody else is going to!

Again, I dunno what a new ban will look like but I do know a little about how ATF looks at things. It was actually a rule interpretation by ATF that said it had to be fully assembled to count as a pre ban weapon. Even though the law went away I would think they would go back to that position should something similar be passed.....

millerized1

  • Guest
Re: Gun purchase before election
« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2008, 08:30:23 AM »
We need to look out for one another.....nobody else is going to!

Again, I dunno what a new ban will look like but I do know a little about how ATF looks at things. It was actually a rule interpretation by ATF that said it had to be fully assembled to count as a pre ban weapon. Even though the law went away I would think they would go back to that position should something similar be passed.....
I'm sure it'll be a lot more precise in its language.  One thing about the FEDGOV, while it doesn't outwardly seem like it, they learn from their mistakes.  Next ban, if it happens, will be precise to the letter with "interpretive" allowances favoring the BATFE.  They've had close to 15yrs to play with the wording, don't think someone somewhere hasn't.

Offline flagtag

  • Dedicated Contributor
  • ******
  • Posts: 1985
  • Karma: 41
Re: Gun purchase before election
« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2008, 08:39:33 AM »
I won't make it before the election, or the "coronation", but I hope to get one before they pass the law. (tax refund?)

Offline Lawyerman

  • Senior Survivalist
  • ****
  • Posts: 266
  • Karma: 13
Re: Gun purchase before election
« Reply #16 on: October 28, 2008, 09:12:09 AM »
One thing about the FEDGOV, while it doesn't outwardly seem like it, they learn from their mistakes.  Next ban, if it happens, will be precise to the letter with "interpretive" allowances favoring the BATFE.

I think it's safe to say that it will be even more restrictive which means that assembling a stripped lower after the ban will not be legal. You pay your money and take your chances........

Offline ColdHaven

  • Coldylocks
  • Moderator On Leave
  • Survival Demonstrator
  • *
  • Posts: 3449
  • Karma: 175
  • How about a scary crow little fire?
Re: Gun purchase before election
« Reply #17 on: October 28, 2008, 05:48:57 PM »
It pisses me off that the ban basically dealt with firearms that 'looked' like assault weapons. None of these are full auto. That is illegal anyway. I saw the vid the VP of the NRA did on CNN. Totally reamed them by calling them liars. He called them out on it. I love watching that video. I might watch it again and drink a beer.

So you can enjoy it too, here is a piece of it... It is not the whole vid, and I can't find it elsewhere, but the transcript follows below the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60aIaNZA0h8




Offline flagtag

  • Dedicated Contributor
  • ******
  • Posts: 1985
  • Karma: 41
Re: Gun purchase before election
« Reply #18 on: October 28, 2008, 07:21:50 PM »
WHOOOHOOO!  LOVED IT! 
Thanks for the link.

kaiservontexas

  • Guest
Re: Gun purchase before election
« Reply #19 on: October 28, 2008, 07:27:48 PM »
How would they know if the gun is incomplete first to begin with? ??? It is not as if the parts all of serial numbers on them, and only the lower needed to be transferred.

Offline DeltaEchoVictor

  • Evil Forum Overlord
  • Administrator On Leave
  • Survival Veteran
  • *
  • Posts: 5705
  • Karma: 542
  • Vincit Omnia Veritas
Re: Gun purchase before election
« Reply #20 on: October 28, 2008, 09:34:46 PM »
It pisses me off that the ban basically dealt with firearms that 'looked' like assault weapons. None of these are full auto.
The AWB is feel good bullshit. 

There is absolutely no substantive reasoning behind it.  If there were, the douche bag legislators would confess that it's not going to do a damn thing to reduce crime.  All it's going to do is make a bunch of hobbiests into criminals because of how their firearm looks.

Common sense is dead in this country, as far as our legislators go anyway.

Offline Patriot:Ex Machina

  • Administrator Emeritus
  • Administrator On Leave
  • Survival Demonstrator
  • *
  • Posts: 2758
  • Karma: 140
  • Malo periculosam libertatem quam quietum servitium
    • Patriot Gun & Gear
Re: Gun purchase before election
« Reply #21 on: October 28, 2008, 09:55:33 PM »
I have often said that the term "assault weapon' or "assault rifle" is a negative term that was spun by the anti-gun leftist media, to scare the people into thinking that the appearance of a particular rifle actually made it more deadly to their children and their way of life.
"Battle rifle" ? Yes. "Military Rifle"? Yes. I own these. Assault rifles? No. I don't have any of those.
They don't exist.
Assault means to attack with malicious intent, My weapons aren't used maliciously. They are there to protect my family from those who actually would "attack with malicious intent."

The American Media Spin Machine is a fascinating thing. It disgusts me, but amazes me as well.

Offline ColdHaven

  • Coldylocks
  • Moderator On Leave
  • Survival Demonstrator
  • *
  • Posts: 3449
  • Karma: 175
  • How about a scary crow little fire?
Re: Gun purchase before election
« Reply #22 on: October 28, 2008, 10:14:21 PM »
It pisses me off that the ban basically dealt with firearms that 'looked' like assault weapons. None of these are full auto.
The AWB is feel good bullshit. 

There is absolutely no substantive reasoning behind it.  If there were, the douche bag legislators would confess that it's not going to do a damn thing to reduce crime.  All it's going to do is make a bunch of hobbiests into criminals because of how their firearm looks.

Common sense is dead in this country, as far as our legislators go anyway.

I never understood the rationale of these legislators. Put a law into effect....doesn't work...what should we do? Try it again!  ::) I mean, we all see how well D.A.R.E. turned out. We really saw a difference with that, didn't we?  :-\ So why is making these rifles and guns illegal a smart thing when it has been proven that it does not lower crime. It makes no sense.

Oh, and good points, Patriot. The media, in my opinion, is the Whore of Babylon... Can I say that here? Whore?  :D Well, if not, that is what it is. Doing whatever the Republican and Democrats tell them to.  None of them have the guts to be honest reporters anymore. They all get a bit of money if they do what they are told and report what they are told to. If they do not act like a puppet, then they are out of a job.
« Last Edit: October 28, 2008, 10:18:10 PM by ColdHaven »

Offline DeltaEchoVictor

  • Evil Forum Overlord
  • Administrator On Leave
  • Survival Veteran
  • *
  • Posts: 5705
  • Karma: 542
  • Vincit Omnia Veritas
Re: Gun purchase before election
« Reply #23 on: October 29, 2008, 02:55:55 AM »
I have often said that the term "assault weapon' or "assault rifle" is a negative term that was spun by the anti-gun leftist media, to scare the people into thinking that the appearance of a particular rifle actually made it more deadly to their children and their way of life.
"Battle rifle" ? Yes. "Military Rifle"? Yes. I own these. Assault rifles? No. I don't have any of those.
They don't exist.
Assault means to attack with malicious intent, My weapons aren't used maliciously. They are there to protect my family from those who actually would "attack with malicious intent."

The American Media Spin Machine is a fascinating thing. It disgusts me, but amazes me as well.

Agreed.

The bitch of it is, I actually hear gun enthusiasts calling these guns assault rifles.  If anyone should know better....
***edited for spelling***
« Last Edit: October 30, 2008, 05:47:36 AM by DeltaEchoVictor »

Offline Lawyerman

  • Senior Survivalist
  • ****
  • Posts: 266
  • Karma: 13
Re: Gun purchase before election
« Reply #24 on: October 29, 2008, 06:00:57 AM »
How would they know if the gun is incomplete first to begin with? Huh It is not as if the parts all of serial numbers on them, and only the lower needed to be transferred.

You have to buy the completion parts somewhere. You have to pay for them somehow. Ask any number of people in jail right now about ATF and other government snitches and what they were willing to say to put them behind bars.....

We're all adults here, make your own choices.....personally...the possibility of my spending 20 years in a federal pen is worth the $600 it takes to prevent the issue from ever coming up- just complete the friggen gun! It seems stupid to me to risk it over no more money than that.

Offline Heavy G

  • Distorting the Space-Time Continuum
  • Moderator On Leave
  • Survival Veteran
  • *
  • Posts: 6776
  • Karma: 310
  • A misfit ant in a grasshopper world.
    • 299 Days
Re: Gun purchase before election
« Reply #25 on: October 29, 2008, 07:10:38 AM »
Here's a clip from a local TV station about a pre-election rise in gun sales in Florida:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V71Do4Fj8XU

It's the media so it may or may not be true.

Offline flagtag

  • Dedicated Contributor
  • ******
  • Posts: 1985
  • Karma: 41
Re: Gun purchase before election
« Reply #26 on: October 29, 2008, 09:00:30 AM »
This is being reported almost everywhere.  Even here in IL - a local news station reported it.

kaiservontexas

  • Guest
Re: Gun purchase before election
« Reply #27 on: October 29, 2008, 07:51:58 PM »
I only ask because my understanding from a sale I had on a Gas Piston A3 Bushmaster upper receiver had a guy in Cali expressing interest. He committed but never got back to me. I ended up trading locally. I called BM to make sure it was a legal exchange and they told me it was permitted as long as the person in question was going to mount it to a pre-ban lower. It is also my understanding that Cali's law is similar if not akin to the old AWB. If that is the case it seems only the lower is paid attention to . . .

FYI: I am going full steam ahead with building up mine. I am just curious about all of this is all. I am paranoid about it, and it causes me some small amount of stress. I just want to be left alone to pursue my life, liberty, and happiness.

Offline Dan

  • Survivalist Mentor
  • *****
  • Posts: 979
  • Karma: 42
  • MSB Founding Member
Re: Gun purchase before election
« Reply #28 on: October 30, 2008, 01:42:03 AM »
I never understood the rationale of these legislators. Put a law into effect....doesn't work...what should we do? Try it again!  ::)

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Albert Einstein


loudlikenature

  • Guest
Re: Gun purchase before election
« Reply #29 on: October 30, 2008, 10:37:12 PM »
I just bought 2 stag stripped ar15 lowers with the assumption that the ban will be back soon with Biden as VP. Don't forget the hi-cap mags too, buy as many as you can afford.