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Title: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: David in MN on July 09, 2019, 03:06:45 PM
It's a bizarre story of pedophilia that runs through a ton of politicians.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/08/nyregion/jeffrey-epstein-charges.html

If my reading is correct (no reason to believe so) He's had guests such as Donald Trump and Bill Clinton. It seems Trump banned him but still used his planes. Clinton maybe a bit more.

I'm not sure what to believe but there is clearly some borderline stuff going on. It smells like a pedo ring and big tickets in both parties were at least aware.

Goes without saying that anyone who sexually harasses a kid deserves a meeting with me and an axe handle.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: scoop on July 09, 2019, 04:51:24 PM
Memory serves Trump used his plane once to fly from Mara Largo to New York.
Clinton has been on his plane on 24 occasions, on many trips he ditched his secret service detail.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: David in MN on July 10, 2019, 09:17:44 AM
The crazy thing is that we all kinda knew. For like 2 decades. I'm not saying hard evidence but everyone knew it was murky at best. For years there have been jokes about "Lolita" airlines.

I am 100% convinced we don't know the story. On its face you know with certainty that Dennis Hastert molested boys, Anthony Wiener texted underage girls, and Bill Clinton liked a blowy from the interns. That's what you know.

But what don't you know? All the CEOs who don't have famous names. If Trump was in the orbit there had to be others who were into kids. Even if I accept that Trump and Clinton behaved well (and I have reservations on both) there had to be more. And as much as we get from politicians there are plenty of moneyed people behind them. I don't know what the Podesta code words were but I know they enjoy artwork of children being tortured. And Joe Biden sure gets more handsy with little girls than I'm comfortable with.

I know it's been a nutjob conspiracy theory for years that our politicians and business execs are locked in pedo rings but peel that onion just a little bit and boy do some interesting people start coming out of the woodwork. It's worth remembering that all the big public cases are politicians. Epstein isn't. He's a hedge fund guy (though there are a lot of questions there). I'm inclined to believe we will never know the true story of these child abusers.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Carver on July 10, 2019, 10:03:51 AM
It seems to me that any organization that wields power and influence attracts people in need of such; religion, politics, business, art world.... like a magnet for deviants.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: surfivor on July 10, 2019, 03:28:55 PM

Roger Stone breaks down Epstein history on Alex Jones

https://www.infowars.com/learn-whats-next-in-the-jeffery-epstein-case-with-roger-stone/
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: surfivor on July 10, 2019, 09:25:57 PM
Epstein like whitey bulger was apparently an fbi informant meaning he could get away with anything murder, pedophilia etc

https://www.google.com/amp/s/newspunch.com/fbi-mueller-pedophile-jeffrey-epstein/amp/

According to a series of bombshell FBI documents released on Thursday, known child predator Jeffrey Epstein had struck a deal with the FBI, which was headed by Robert Mueller in 2008.

“Epstein has also provided information to the FBI as agreed upon,” says one of the FBI documents. “Case agent advised that no federal prosecution will occur in this matter as long as Epstein continues to uphold his agreement with the state of Florida.”
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: surfivor on July 11, 2019, 12:01:18 AM

Sounds like Epstein was used by the deep state to get politicians involved with underaged girls and then use that for blackmail purposes. I have always heard things worked like that.

Acosta here says he was told to leave Epstein alone because he was an intelligence asset. There apparently are also questions about how Epstein actually got so much money because his story on that may not be totally believable

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/i-was-told-epstein-belonged-to-intelligence-and-to-leave-it-alone

He’d cut the non-prosecution deal with one of Epstein’s attorneys because he had “been told” to back off, that Epstein was above his pay grade. “I was told Epstein ‘belonged to intelligence’ and to leave it alone,” he told his interviewers in the Trump transition, who evidently thought that was a sufficient answer and went ahead and hired Acosta.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: David in MN on July 11, 2019, 07:54:19 AM
Well something has to give. 13 months and "house arrest" for soliciting a minor? They'd do worse to me for improperly filling out a tax form. And then he just gets to go back to hanging out with actors and politicians? This reeks to high heaven.

Also calls into question what the FBI is doing with their time when they seem to have all the resources in the world to pursue Hillary and Trump but international child sex rings just don't get on the radar. Protecting kids might be higher on my wish list than lost emails or BS hooker stories.

Politics aside I think this lands more in Hollywood where he liked to hobnob. And there's the NYC elite who seem connected. Even Trump himself made reference years ago that Epstein liked "young" women. It was at least in the atmosphere.

Feels like Weinstein all over again. Everybody knows and nobody did a thing to stop it. And this time it's NYC socialites, Hollywood, and politicians. Yuck.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: David in MN on July 11, 2019, 12:28:43 PM
I read reports from workers on the island (no links because they all autoplay videos which I hate) who commented on the lengthy NDAs they had to sign and while some say they saw girls they assumed them to be of age. To be fair there would be no way to tell a 17 year old from a 19 year old at casual glance. If he was playing some kind of entrapment game any single guy could get caught up, particularly if you're young and wealthy and having drinks on a private island. If I was in my early 20s and cocktailing with a lady I'd assume she was an adult. I would probably have some questions why young girls are hanging out with a guy in his 60s but I'll admit to some wild parties in my late teen years.

But then I have nagging questions... How in the world do you traffic underage girls to a private island? Where are mom and dad? And what's the sales pitch? Come to my island and join a child sex cult? And if the reports are true that the locals literally called it "Pedophile Island" how did he get away with it for 20 years?

And we're left with the question of whether Acosta softballed Epstein or finally got the resources to seek justice. Or if this is Trump sending out law enforcement because he clearly knew the story.

The other oddity is the flight logs. I realize everybody thinks these are lock and stock but as a guy who has hired charters you have no idea who is on that plane. Particularly underage people who may not have any documentation.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: surfivor on July 12, 2019, 06:46:03 AM
 They could find runaways at bus stops .. They tell them they have a job for them someplace.

It's in no way inconceivable, people just don't believe in conspiracies are how evil people can be but history says otherwise. If it was to some how get covered up, people will go back to not believing it. Whatever the news says, that;s what they believe. When stuff gets pushed out into the open enough then the news has to report it even if maybe the higher ups would rather not. They can't lose all credibility   
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: David in MN on July 12, 2019, 04:02:12 PM
Acosta resigned and Clinton downplayed his relationship with Epstein. Some of the accusers claim to have been as young as 13.

I'm a little miffed that the news really isn't doing their job. If I'm to believe what is documented Donald Trump flew on Epstein's plane once and Clinton maybe 4-7 times. OK... But these are the only 2 names for a guy who was a NYC financier and liked to party in Hollywood? You don't really need an island with multiple houses to fly a president a few times and a future president once. Bear in mind there is no evidence that either stayed at the island; just took the plane. And it's not so insane to imagine Trump hitched a ride with another billionaire to NYC or Clinton did the same with a big donor because he put his office in Harlem after his presidency. The two of them could be telling the complete truth. I have reservations on both but it could be true.

So if I'm expected to believe that the actual story is that Epstein liked Wall Street and Hollywood but I'm expected to believe only politicians who never went to the island matter the most even though workers on the island saw young girls. Well somebody went to that island and I don't see evidence of Trump or Clinton. Granted something could have happened on the plane but why build the island and import girls if the plane is your preferred location?

I just don't think the shoe has yet dropped on this one. I think a lot of very wealthy people with names we don't know are on the list.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: surfivor on July 13, 2019, 12:37:46 AM

When I think about it, the news is weaponized and it’s like an act of war the propaganda they push.  That’s why I sometimes have a hard time with libertarian ideas that say leave the companies alone it’s private business. newspapers and media are private businesses but they are technically engaged in a kind of war fare and we know the cia has people at news agencies
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: David in MN on July 19, 2019, 06:37:58 AM
OK, it gets hairier. I can get my head around a pedophile sex ring. There are sick people and money to be made catering to them. But how does a guy running said ring end up with a Saudi passport in an assumed name?

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/jeffrey-epstein-used-foreign-passport-fake-name-enter-saudi-arabia-n1031046

That's a trick I doubt any other crime lord could pull off. There's a lot more beneath the surface here.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: surfivor on July 24, 2019, 09:35:57 AM

he's connected to the deep state, the deep state or parts of it has been at war with Trump .. Trump is fighting back in certain ways. He can't do a frontal assault - too dangerous
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: surfivor on July 25, 2019, 12:59:36 PM

They are trying to get rid of Epstien since he has deep state connections. He knows too much and is connected to too many important people, though I heard that this story has been suppressed

https://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/50-states/2019/07/25/jeffrey-epstein-found-fetal-position-jail-cell-marks-his-neck-report/1824957001/

Jeffrey Epstein found in fetal position in jail cell with marks on his neck:


Jeffrey Epstein was reportedly found in his jail cell semi-conscious and with marks around his neck. Veuer’s Justin Kircher has the story.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Mr. Bill on July 25, 2019, 02:02:58 PM
Or, another prisoner tried to kill him because that's what prisoners frequently do to child molesters.

https://hosted.ap.org/article/f151956a23564286b8ffa414d8446054/ap-source-jeffrey-epstein-found-injured-nyc-jail-cell
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: surfivor on July 25, 2019, 03:09:01 PM
Kind of like Jack Ruby

So many other child molesters in jail are still alive
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Mr. Bill on August 10, 2019, 02:25:59 PM
I suppose everyone has heard this already, but Epstein is dead.

AP, 8/10/19: Source: Jeffrey Epstein taken off suicide watch before death (https://www.apnews.com/15a112045c0947e7b33ba86322538233)

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Jeffrey Epstein, the well-connected financier accused of orchestrating a sex-trafficking ring, had been taken off suicide watch before he killed himself in a New York jail, a person familiar with the matter said Saturday. ...

Epstein was found unresponsive in his cell Saturday morning at the Metropolitan Correctional Center, according to the Federal Bureau of Prisons. Fire officials received a call at 6:39 a.m. Saturday that Epstein was in cardiac arrest, and he was pronounced dead at New York Presbyterian-Lower Manhattan Hospital. ...

On Friday, more than 2,000 pages of documents were released related to a since-settled lawsuit against Epstein’s ex-girlfriend by Virginia Giuffre, one of Epstein’s accusers. The records contain graphic allegations against Epstein, as well as the transcript of a 2016 deposition of Epstein in which he repeatedly refused to answer questions to avoid incriminating himself. ...
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Stwood on August 10, 2019, 05:07:49 PM
Yea......wonder when the killer will get off'ed. Sudden Big H. Fiery car crash.....
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Mr. Bill on August 10, 2019, 06:06:27 PM
How many different explanations can we think up?

Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Stwood on August 10, 2019, 06:11:59 PM
Maybe........that wasn't his body they hauled out of there
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Mr. Bill on August 10, 2019, 07:44:53 PM
If you want a collection of conspiracy theories beyond the ones I invented, check this thread on Metabunk Forum (https://www.metabunk.org/jeffery-epsteins-death.t10854/).

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...There were already a range of conspiracy theories swirling around Epstein, ranging from the older style theories about satanic child sacrifice, up to the more modern QAnon theories of a valiant attempt by Trump, et al., to uncover a deep state adrenochrome harvesting operation.

Bot Sentinel reports #ClintonBodyCount and #EpsteinSuicide as trending topics pushed by troll bots. ...

Then there's QAnon supporters, who normally laud Trump, who think Trump did it for personal reasons. ...
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: scoop on August 10, 2019, 11:53:45 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_VpaUGdy7U&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on August 11, 2019, 07:14:30 AM
Given this is a survival board;

I would just like to state for the record that I do not have any information that could ever lead to the arrest or conviction of any of the Clintons.

There, I feel much more safe now.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: David in MN on August 11, 2019, 08:01:31 AM
Actually being dead could be a disservice to his friends. Without him there is no legal party to contend evidence. Now that evidence includes his entire estate.

I realize the conspiracy people (me included) are going a little nuts but step back and look at the story: This guy built a private sex island and the only thing to leak so far is that Trump flew with hhim once and Clinton a few times? The only fallout thus far has been the former DA who went a little light on him?

I smell a rat. Show the pictures.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: fritz_monroe on August 11, 2019, 04:42:40 PM
I'm on the side of he was being pressured to name names and someone was afraid that he would.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Stwood on August 11, 2019, 04:52:53 PM
I had a good laugh when CNN stated that Trump blamed the Clinton's.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: surfivor on August 12, 2019, 08:29:57 PM
If you have listened to shady alternative news or the supposed crazies like Alex Jones then you have known plenty about Epstein for years and that information cross checked with other info easily accessible online.  People like my sister or mother who listen to NPR or watch the evening news I think just found out about him. This has all been going on in plain sight
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on August 12, 2019, 10:38:11 PM
So are we really to believe he died by hanging himself with toilet paper?  They better come up with something better than that.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on August 13, 2019, 06:15:42 AM
So are we really to believe he died by hanging himself with toilet paper?  They better come up with something better than that.

They did change it!  Now they are saying he wrapped a bedsheet around his neck and strangled himself with it while kneeling in the center of the room.  No cameras.  No guard check for at least three hours prior to event.  Main guard wasn't a certified corrections officer but appears to be a part-timer of unknown origin. 

Net, nothing at all suspicious about any of this.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: David in MN on August 13, 2019, 08:17:34 AM
Reason had a good take that he was suicidal and the jail had a reputation for being poorly run. I'll admit it does sound odd to take a guy off suicide watch and then not bother to walk by his cell but it's unfortunately completely plausible.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Stwood on August 13, 2019, 08:23:59 AM
They did change it!  Now they are saying he wrapped a bedsheet around his neck and strangled himself with it while kneeling in the center of the room.  No cameras.  No guard check for at least three hours prior to event.  Main guard wasn't a certified corrections officer but appears to be a part-timer of unknown origin. 

Net, nothing at all suspicious about any of this.

Now I like that one. Pass out from lack of air.....grab the sheet and try again.....pass out again.......
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on August 13, 2019, 08:41:35 AM
Reason had a good take that he was suicidal and the jail had a reputation for being poorly run. I'll admit it does sound odd to take a guy off suicide watch and then not bother to walk by his cell but it's unfortunately completely plausible.

Didnt matter on watch or not.  Rules were to check on the cell every thirty minutes.  This was done meticulously up to just three hours before. There has been only one other successful suicide there and that was over twenty years ago.

Gang experts on radio now saying this has all signs of a hit meant to be so obvious so as to send message to all involved that they can get to you no matter where you are.  Seems to have worked as no-one on island will reportedly talk to authorities.  All are citing NDA and 5th.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: David in MN on August 13, 2019, 08:55:55 AM
Didnt matter on watch or not.  Rules were to check on the cell every thirty minutes.  This was done meticulously up to just three hours before. There has been only one other successful suicide there and that was over twenty years ago.

Gang experts on radio now saying this has all signs of a hit meant to be so obvious so as to send message to all involved that they can get to you no matter where you are.  Seems to have worked as no-one on island will reportedly talk to authorities.  All are citing NDA and 5th.

Could be. I'll totally agree this runs the gamut from dumpster fire to full blown conspiracy. I'm not sure where it lands on that spectrum but that is the spectrum.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on August 13, 2019, 09:33:29 AM
Now they have prison experts on radio who say this is unimaginable.  Here are the "irregularities".

1. He was removed from suicide prevention to a lower watch status two weeks ago.  This is extaordinary in itself and none knew of this ever being done in a high profile case let alone one where an attempt was made earlier. (Though reports are that Epstein told guards someone tried to kill him at that time: https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/jeffrey-epstein-told-jail-guards-18894171)

2. Under new watch he was to be checked on every thirty minutes and have cell mate 24/7.  The most experienced guards were assigned.

3. That day his cell mate was removed for unknown reasons and his primary guard was changed to a non-correction officer from an undisclosed job.  Also camera security was either removed or not reestablished when he was moved from suicide prevention.

4. He was left unchecked for three hours.  They also say prison medical staff trained to respond to suicide were sent home early at this time.  This is first I heard of it.

5. Newest version of strangulation story is he (six foot man) hung himself from the short bunk bed in the room.

So we are left to believe in the greatest set of coicidences in prison history culminating in perfect storm to allow most high profile inmate to kill himself.  Alternatively, we can believe that the prison staff let him kill himself.  Or we can believe he was killed.  Personally, I dont buy the first one at all.  If I had to bet on it, it would be that his cell mate strangled him as was speculated happened first time he was found unconscious with marks around his neck.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Stwood on August 13, 2019, 04:29:01 PM

We need to make another popcorn run. My 2 buckets may run low.....

I also don't buy him killing himself.
Look at his life....billionaire....free to do whatever......have the best dining.....travel.
Spend a few years in the slammer then back at it.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: David in MN on August 13, 2019, 04:58:38 PM
I will confess that reading the story on its face (as reported) comes off insane. You have to believe a guy got very wealthy doing _____ and then built a pedophile island where he entertained the rich and famous while filming them. He has palled around with 2 presidents and the current even made an off color joke about him liking young girls. He plead guilty to soliciting a minor, got house arrest, and none of his buddies disowned him. When taken in again he's found with lots of photos in a safe and a Saudi passport in an assumed name. He then commits suicide after being on suicide watch in a jail not following protocol. That's the boring story. Nothing to see here.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: NWPilgrim on August 13, 2019, 05:29:08 PM
I’ve even read speculation he is NOT dead, but this was a ruse to move him to witness protection and new life somewhere, apparently in line with the allegations he was an FBI snitch and that was why fed charges were so easily plea bargained away previously.

Hopefully his properties are a treasure trove of videos, logs, accounts, and photos that will force a complete expose of all involved parties. His life seems full of lies and aligning with influencers and getting favors. Would be nice to have the whole truth one way or the laid bare.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Stwood on August 13, 2019, 05:34:53 PM
Heck, he may be sitting in a recliner with bud Bill, snickering and having a drink.
 :(
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: surfivor on August 13, 2019, 06:51:13 PM

What did he hang himself with ?  Very few details are given
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Mr. Bill on August 13, 2019, 07:46:04 PM
Courthouse News, 8/13/19: Jail Where Epstein Died Has Record of Security Blunders (https://www.courthousenews.com/jail-where-epstein-died-has-record-of-security-blunders/)

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...Beneath its fortress-like public image, however, the 12-story structure where Epstein was found dead on Saturday is no stranger to high-profile security failures.

One pending lawsuit accuses MCC of covering up the fatal beating of inmate Roberto Grant in 2015 as an overdose. Another inmate, Reza Zarrab, purports to have survived an attempted assassination at the MCC two years later, retribution for implicating Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan in an Iranian money-laundering scheme....

Inside the MCC, sex and bribery scandals abound, as do ubiquitous reports of smuggled cellphones, one of which purportedly allowed former CIA engineer Joshua Adam Schulte to leak classified data from prison.

Months before the WikiLeaks source purportedly got hold of multiple contraband cellphones, including at least one heavily encrypted device, former MCC guard Victor Casado pleaded guilty in April 2018 to taking a $45,000 bribe from Zarrab to smuggle in a cellphone, alcohol, Dayquil and other items.

Accusations of spectacular security breakdowns inside the MCC were a running feature of Zarrab’s case. ...
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on August 13, 2019, 08:11:11 PM
What did he hang himself with ?  Very few details are given

Originally they said a rope made from toilet paper.  But most recent reporting has been a bed sheet.  The official autopsy has yet to be released.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on August 13, 2019, 08:44:50 PM
They have been very closed lip about who this person is.  What are odds he/she gets the Jack Ruby treatment?

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/jeffrey-epstein-corrections-officers-may-have-falsified-reports-saying-they-checked-on-financier-2019-08-13/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/jeffrey-epstein-corrections-officers-may-have-falsified-reports-saying-they-checked-on-financier-2019-08-13/)

At least one temporary employee at the detention center was on watch Friday night into Saturday morning, multiple sources said. The replacement employee was not part of the regular detail assigned to Epstein's special housing unit.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on August 14, 2019, 07:06:03 AM
A lot of talk on radio this morning about 4chan'er posting accurate details of Epstein's death before it was publicly released.

Also his cell mate was a former New York police officer with ties to the highest levels of the drug cartels doing hits for them.  He had access to the outside via cell phone:

https://www.lohud.com/story/news/2019/07/23/nicholas-tartaglione-police-officer-quadruple-homicide-cell-phone/1806603001/ (https://www.lohud.com/story/news/2019/07/23/nicholas-tartaglione-police-officer-quadruple-homicide-cell-phone/1806603001/)

He apparently tried to kill Epstein before but was stopped by a guard.  He was transferred to two cells over.  On day of Epstein's death a "temp" guard was given control over block while the corrections officer on duty took a nap.  Also, there is talk that the cell block cameras failed during this time.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Mr. Bill on August 14, 2019, 08:50:54 AM
...Also his cell mate was a former New York police officer with ties to the highest levels of the drug cartels doing hits for them. ... He apparently tried to kill Epstein before but was stopped by a guard. ...

Of course his lawyer says just the opposite.

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...Tartaglione’s lawyer, Bruce Barket, told authorities his client had saved Epstein’s life during the first suicide attempt by alerting corrections officers. He claimed Tartaglione was being implicated in the suicide attempt because he’d recently complained about conditions at the Metropolitan Correctional Center...

There are so many screwups at this jail that literally any of the stories are believable at this point, including the official one.  If you told me that space aliens rescued Epstein, I'd only ask if anyone got their license plate number.

Fairly good collection of info from a whole lot of sources, courtesy of New York magazine:

8/14/19: Everything We Know About Jeffrey Epstein’s Death (http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/08/jeffrey-epstein-dies-by-suicide-report.html)
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: David in MN on August 14, 2019, 09:29:04 AM
Suppose the cellmate went to kill him only to find a suicidal Epstein and they did it together. No defensive wounds. I tend to agree with Mr. Bill that just about anything is possible and I'm waiting for a knock at my door for my alibi.

I'm also a little tired of this shuffling to the realm of Trump and Clinton. There is no evidence that I've seen. And I can't help feel like the FBI is throwing ice water on this like the Vegas shooting. There's enough "ground and pound" to be done here. You have photos from the safe. DO they show anything? Are they dated? Can we explain the Saudi passport? Can we get flight logs? Financial records? I know it's boring work but following a few paper trails could be the simplest start.

But instead I'm hearing macro explanations that flat out contradict. Epstein was a blackmailer, extortionist, embezzler, Russian spy, Israeli spy, American spy, ad nauseum. And I'm a little weary of hearing his political ties to the left. As I've told many friends: He hung out with NYC socialites and Hollywood elite. Would he tell them he votes Republican?

Reason had an interesting thought regarding this. If this does unravel and become big bear in mind that internet trolls and Alex Jones outran the FBI. This is a story where the conspiracy nuts not only were correct but decades ahead of the government.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on August 14, 2019, 09:36:26 AM
Of course his lawyer says just the opposite.

Yes. But this is the guy who in regards to the 1st 'suicide' attempt "claimed that he didn’t hear anything and wasn’t responsible for Epstein’s injuries" despite being in same room with him when it happened.  And the "marks are more consistent with being choked out than hanging yourself,"

https://nypost.com/2019/07/25/jailed-ex-cop-questioned-about-jeffrey-epsteins-injuries/ (https://nypost.com/2019/07/25/jailed-ex-cop-questioned-about-jeffrey-epsteins-injuries/)
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Stwood on August 14, 2019, 01:56:53 PM
I've said before I think, whoever took him out, will be taken out.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on August 14, 2019, 05:29:15 PM
https://nypost.com/2019/08/14/jeffrey-epsteins-last-words-to-lawyer-before-his-jailhouse-death/ (https://nypost.com/2019/08/14/jeffrey-epsteins-last-words-to-lawyer-before-his-jailhouse-death/)
Jeffrey Epstein’s last words to lawyer before his jailhouse death

Jeffrey Epstein was confident he could fight the child sex trafficking charges against him and was in “great spirits” just hours before his jailhouse death on Saturday morning — even telling one of his lawyers, “I’ll see you Sunday,” The Post has learned.

The convicted pedophile also told his lawyers that the neck injuries he suffered in an earlier incident at the Metropolitan Correctional Center were inflicted by his hulking, ex-cop cellmate, which led the lawyers to request that he be taken off a suicide watch, according to a source familiar with Epstein’s case.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on August 14, 2019, 06:01:38 PM

I'm also a little tired of this shuffling to the realm of Trump and Clinton. There is no evidence that I've seen.

Whatever you do, dont read the overseas coverage then.  You cant unsee what is there.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7353967/amp/Did-Jeffrey-Epstein-portrait-Bill-Clinton-blue-dress-red-heels-NYC-mansion.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7353967/amp/Did-Jeffrey-Epstein-portrait-Bill-Clinton-blue-dress-red-heels-NYC-mansion.html)
Jeffrey Epstein had a painting of Bill Clinton wearing a blue DRESS and red heels and lounging in the Oval Office inside his Manhattan mansion - visitor reveals bizarre image inside pedophile's $56m lair
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Stwood on August 14, 2019, 06:56:32 PM
That will burn your eyes out.  :stop: :rofl:
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: NWPilgrim on August 14, 2019, 07:03:39 PM
I heard they are not releasing the identity of the non-guard person suddenly assigned to watch the block while the actual lone guard napped, only releasing their initials: HRC. Strangely they found a postcard in the cell from a “V.F.” Saying simply “Wish you were here!”  On the other side is a travel photo of Fort Macy Park.

Kidding aside I doubt anyone believes a sociopath like Epstein would hang himself. Hopefully a crap ton of information is found on computers, video files, financial records, letters, etc to send many cohorts to jail for decades. He sounds like he was a hands off type that would state a “need” and many others would do the footwork. I hope the entire empire of corruption and illegal activities comes crashing down on all their heads.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Stwood on August 14, 2019, 07:15:33 PM
Interesting read about his gopher and his island.

https://hotair.com/archives/allahpundit/2019/08/13/report-maxwell-told-friend-epsteins-entire-island-wired-video-presumably-blackmail-purposes/
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on August 15, 2019, 06:21:49 AM
https://www.foxnews.com/us/jeffrey-epsteins-autopsy-reveals-several-broken-neck-bones-cause-of-death-pending-report (https://www.foxnews.com/us/jeffrey-epsteins-autopsy-reveals-several-broken-neck-bones-cause-of-death-pending-report)
Jeffrey Epstein autopsy reveals broken bones in neck, cause of death pending: report

An autopsy on the body of Jeffrey Epstein revealed the convicted sex offender had several broken bones in his neck, including the hyoid bone, according to a report.

The hyoid bone, which is near the Adam’s apple, can be broken in a suicide by hanging -- especially in older people -- but is more common in strangulation murders


I heard they are not releasing the identity of the non-guard person suddenly assigned to watch the block while the actual lone guard napped, only releasing their initials: HRC.

According to twitter, a picture was released but no-one has come forward identifying him.  Very important as he was last one to visit cell while he was alive. ;)

(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/537/813/c45.jpg)
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: surfivor on August 15, 2019, 09:50:29 AM

 I want to see the body
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on August 17, 2019, 12:55:01 PM
People arent buying the official story.  So does that mean that his suicide is now a conspiracy theory instead of the other way around?

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/august_2019/americans_say_murder_more_likely_than_suicide_in_epstein_case (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/august_2019/americans_say_murder_more_likely_than_suicide_in_epstein_case)
Americans Say Murder More Likely Than Suicide in Epstein Case

Americans aren’t buying that disgraced financier and convicted sex criminal Jeffrey Epstein killed himself in jail last weekend.

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that only 29% of American Adults believe Epstein actually committed suicide while in jail. Forty-two percent (42%) think Epstein was murdered to prevent him from testifying against powerful people with whom he associated. A sizable 29% are undecided.
...
Sixty-seven percent (67%) say they have closely followed news reports about Epstein, with 25% who have followed Very Closely.

Among Americans who have been following the story Very Closely, 56% say Epstein was murdered.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Stwood on August 17, 2019, 01:08:24 PM
Yea........put me in the murdered group. They got to him...
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: David in MN on August 17, 2019, 01:31:23 PM
Without any evidence it's impossible to know and I usually defer to the simplest explanation.

That said, a jail who houses the most notorious inmate in America who is suicidal and has complained about attacks probably shouldn't have gotten the JV squad to guard him and then allowed naps. Even if the story is true this is the most colossal blunder in modern prison history.

It does make me wonder... Why not have an undercover as a cellmate? Keep him safe and get him talking over backgammon? At the very least have a meeting and increase protocol?

If I wanted to fan the conspiracy flames I couldn't do better.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: NWPilgrim on August 18, 2019, 01:52:36 AM
What makes no sense is that it was reported he hung himself from the bunk bed. How tall is that? 6 ft”. The noise would have to hang down at least a couple of getting from that, so his neck was about 4 ft off the ground when he was hung.  Not plausible a grown man hung himself from a 6ft high support. Combined with incredibly lax security.  Might be possible but not bloody likely.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: FreeLancer on August 18, 2019, 02:12:16 AM
Full suspension isn’t required for hanging to be fatal. Most suicides are partial suspensions. It it doesn’t take that many pounds of compression on the carotids to lose consciousness and gravity does the rest even with feet still on the ground.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: mountainmoma on August 18, 2019, 09:36:23 AM
Full suspension isn’t required for hanging to be fatal. Most suicides are partial suspensions. It it doesn’t take that many pounds of compression on the carotids to lose consciousness and gravity does the rest even with feet still on the ground.

Yes, this is true.  The reason though that I dont believe the narrative is that that compression would not cause all those neck bones, including especially the hyoid to break when doing so.   SO, yes on the cutting off of air with compression ,  but does not explain the multiple broken neck bones.  But, you are the doctor, do you see how this is plausible ?
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: FreeLancer on August 18, 2019, 11:15:51 AM
I keep hearing multiple neck fractures, but from what I can tell only the hyoid was found to be fractured.  By itself, it’s not too surprising to find a hyoid fracture in a suicidal hanging, especially in the AARP population. This is not a substantial bone like a vertebral body.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on August 18, 2019, 04:46:59 PM
It is the hyoid bone and multiple fractures of the cervical vertebrae.  Several pathologists have come forward saying that doesnt support the "lean in" hypothesis which leaves the "hurdled from top of the bunk bed" hypothesis or murder.  But main discussion now is on prison staff refusing to cooperate with investigators and the apparent missing cell block camera footage.

Epstein's representative rejected the suicide hypothesis despite that almost assuredly leading to an estimated taxpayer funded half a billion dollar wrongful death payment.  In other words, it is in the estate's best financial interest to accept suicide finding.  But the attorneys wont do that as the evidence doesnt support it in there reckoning.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Mr. Bill on August 18, 2019, 05:59:44 PM
Has it been reported yet exactly what position he was found in?

If it was suicide, the only plausible scenario I can think of is falling face-first off the top of the bunk bed with a noose slightly shorter than the top-bunk-to-floor distance.  If that's what happened, the position of his body (and the noose) ought to be consistent with that.

I suppose this is part of where prison staff are not cooperating, and from their viewpoint I can see why.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on August 18, 2019, 09:42:49 PM
I suppose this is part of where prison staff are not cooperating, and from their viewpoint I can see why.

Those two have apparently been accused of falsifying prison records and so they are on the 5th.

The psychological staff is also so far standing behind their initial findings.  So it is only the one medical examiner who has put forward support for suicide.  The witnessing pathalogist for the estate who was involved with autopsy disagrees with the conclusion.  He was on shows this weekend and his position was that it is inconclusive between suicide by jumping or strangulation murder.  So question is why state examiner is rushing to a conclusion of suicide without supporting evidence in such an important case.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: David in MN on August 19, 2019, 06:37:32 AM
This story has a rinse and repeat theme: inconclusive. A broken bone that indicates a kinetic event but no defense wounds? Inconclusive. Could be anything from an assault to a suicide he really threw himself into.

I'm a little pissed at the investigators who have literally left every door open. From his money to his plane to his island to his death you could draw any conclusion you want. After decades of work they have concluded that some people used his airplane, some people visited his island, some girls were involved, and he died while the camera failed and the rent-a-guard was napping.

I don't know what is going on at the FBI these days but I am thankful they do what they do. Heaven help us if they were tasked with putting bread on the shelves or doing anything that mattered.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Stwood on August 19, 2019, 10:16:32 AM



I don't know what is going on at the FBI these days but I am thankful they do what they do. Heaven help us if they were tasked with putting bread on the shelves or doing anything that mattered.


I'm pretty sure they could bungle the bread inventory at this point in history.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on August 19, 2019, 11:02:07 AM
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=st9vfJKVQkw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=st9vfJKVQkw)
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: David in MN on August 19, 2019, 01:02:29 PM
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=st9vfJKVQkw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=st9vfJKVQkw)

So they are super concerned that a drone will watch them stand around and do nothing on a boondoggle to the Caribbean? Guys, you already blew it. He's dead. For better or worse the former head of the FBI wasted his time threatening both presidential candidates and the former former made an ass of himself investigating things he knew were total BS. They have literally prioritized hooker pee rumors over child safety.

I'm a little hot under the collar. But what am I paying for? Let's be blunt. Mr. Bill and Archer get the computers. Freelancer gets all the medical data. Liberty and me get all the documents from building to finance. Stwood and Redman hire a team and take that house apart brick by brick to find everything. Mountainmoma holds a survivor retreat to get them talking. The members of this forum could have this unraveled in 2 weeks. The FBI... not so much.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: mountainmoma on August 19, 2019, 02:05:34 PM
So they are super concerned that a drone will watch them stand around and do nothing on a boondoggle to the Caribbean? Guys, you already blew it. He's dead. For better or worse the former head of the FBI wasted his time threatening both presidential candidates and the former former made an ass of himself investigating things he knew were total BS. They have literally prioritized hooker pee rumors over child safety.

I'm a little hot under the collar. But what am I paying for? Let's be blunt. Mr. Bill and Archer get the computers. Freelancer gets all the medical data. Liberty and me get all the documents from building to finance. Stwood and Redman hire a team and take that house apart brick by brick to find everything. Mountainmoma holds a survivor retreat to get them talking. The members of this forum could have this unraveled in 2 weeks. The FBI... not so much.


Overall, for sure.  But also funny, I wouldnt be assigned that role.  I would be in with the tech people where I could solder a fix on hardware or change a few lines of code here or there, analytically dig out hard to find data, sort and cross reference or in with the overall management people, laying out a system level order of operations of getting the investigation done,  but not with the poor young ladies that need emotional support.....
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: David in MN on August 19, 2019, 02:33:23 PM

Overall, for sure.  But also funny, I wouldnt be assigned that role.  I would be in with the tech people where I could solder a fix on hardware or change a few lines of code here or there, analytically dig out hard to find data, sort and cross reference or in with the overall management people, laying out a system level order of operations of getting the investigation done,  but not with the poor young ladies that need emotional support.....

Forgive my assumption. You're on whatever team makes sense. My only point is that we'd be through this in no time. And if we did the job and took a vote I'd likely be making everybody else lunch.  ;) But in all fairness you likely have the most beautiful plot of land among us. That counts for something.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: FreeLancer on August 19, 2019, 07:05:32 PM
Has anybody found a reliable source documenting which cervical vertebra(e) were fractured and specifically what type of fractures?
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on August 19, 2019, 10:10:19 PM
Has anybody found a reliable source documenting which cervical vertebra(e) were fractured and specifically what type of fractures?

No. The chief medical examiner refuses to provide any supporting information regarding conclusions, not only on this case but generally.  All she would do is read what several media outlets called "a terse statement" that she made a determination not only on the autopsy evidence but also information provided by investigators (presumably FBI and justice task force).  She did the same thing in the controversial Farea sisters case. She determined that two Saudi girls who were found duck-taped together on the banks of the Hudson had committed suicide but would provide no details on how that was determined.  She has routinely been criticized for incompetance and being non-transparent by City Council especially after her staff bungled over 800 rape cases including over two dozen cases where critical evidence was proven to be lost.

https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/council-member-calls-medical-examiner-inept-article-1.1381742 (https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/council-member-calls-medical-examiner-inept-article-1.1381742)
New York medical examiner blasted as 'inept' by Bronx City Council member

A City Council member blasted the medical examiner as "inept" Monday for an ongoing series of mistakes.

The examiner's office has been under pressure to institute reforms since January, when it was revealed that a lab technician had potentially botched rape tests. Now the agency and the council are arguing over oversight bills.

"Everyone in this room thinks you're inept," Maria del Carmen Arroyo (D-Bronx) fumed at acting chief examiner Barbara Sampson.

"Two hearings in a row you sit here and you don't have a handle on what happened," Arroyo, chairwoman of the council's health committee, said at a hearing Monday on the bills.
...
The acting chief medical examiner, Barbara Sampson, insisted she and her colleagues "fully embrace the council's goal of ensuring a high level of transparency and accountability."

But Sampson testified Monday against a provision that would require the OCME to post information about its inner working on the Internet for public view.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: surfivor on August 20, 2019, 08:18:14 AM
Talk about lack of transparency. I find it amazing how the public ignores and tolerates the long list of such things all the time and then constantly denies there is any problem on top of it.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: David in MN on August 20, 2019, 11:36:14 AM
Every day it looks more and more like a cover-up. It's not that hard to check in and get a list of names from the local airport if you want to do it. For Pete's sake the defendant is dead; not lawyering up and fighting every motion. You have his entire estate. Get grinding.

But  they're not. They aren't releasing photos. They aren't interviewing witnesses. They are letting every lead go cold. And not complicated. Get people in and start working through what they knew or saw.

It's the Vegas shooting all over again. People who pay attention are left out in the cold waiting for an explanation and investigation that just isn't happening.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Stwood on August 20, 2019, 08:09:28 PM
All they've done is call the med examiner inept.
They are going to let it fade away..........
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: FreeLancer on August 20, 2019, 08:35:38 PM
Is the medical examiner a forensic pathologist or a non physician?  Who actually did the autopsy? 

There’s no qualification standards across the country for coroners/medical examiners, and most of the autopsies are done by contract or employee pathologists, not the person on the letterhead.

Until someone publishes the autopsy report it’s all conjecture and speculation.  I don’t see how you can make a valid argument either way at this stage.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on August 20, 2019, 09:41:51 PM
Who actually did the autopsy? 

An unidentified medical examiner from her staff.  She will not make them available to the press saying all queries must go through her.  This is the official statement as Chief Medical Examiner:

After careful review of all investigative information, including complete autopsy findings, the determination on the death of Jeffrey Epstein is below—

Cause: Hanging
Manner: Suicide


That is it.  The response from Epstein's lawyers were:

“First, no one should die in jail. And no one, not Mr. Epstein who was presumed innocent and had violated no prison disciplinary rule, and not anyone should be imprisoned under the harsh, even medieval conditions at the MCC where Mr. Epstein spent his final hours. His safety was the responsibility of the MCC. It is indisputable that the authorities violated their own protocols. The defense team fully intends to conduct its own independent and complete investigation into the circumstances and cause of Mr. Epstein’s death including if necessary legal action to view the picotal videos – if they exist as they should – of the area proximate to Mr. Epstein’s cell during the time period leading to his death. We are not satisfied with the conclusions of the medical examiner. We will have a more complete response in the coming days.

Martin G Weinberg, Reid Weingarten, Michael Miller”

Epstein's lawyers hired Pathologist Dr. Michael Baden to view the autopsy, which he did.  Apparently he came to a different conclusion.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: surfivor on August 20, 2019, 11:07:19 PM

I heard that the examiner had CIA connections but it’s always the same story that’s how it works
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: FreeLancer on August 21, 2019, 12:37:22 AM
Epstein's lawyers hired Pathologist Dr. Michael Baden to view the autopsy, which he did.  Apparently he came to a different conclusion.

Has his rebuttal been published?

And how much credibility does an elderly cable TV (FOX News contributor?!) pathologist have?

Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on August 21, 2019, 06:26:03 AM
Has his rebuttal been published?

And how much credibility does an elderly cable TV (FOX News contributor?!) pathologist have?

Well, given that he was the citiy's chief medical examiner back when they were considered the best in the world, that Fox News is the most viewed news by far (bigger than CNN and MSNBC combined primetime ratings), and that he is well known for some of the biggest cases in history; a lot.

The lawyers have not yet released their findings which will include his observations from the autopsy.  Expect they will be similar to what others who have seen leaked psrts of the report have stated.  That is, it is inconclusive in itself but the injuries are more consistant with strangulatiin murder than suicide.  Studies show that the types of injuries sustained are only present in six percent of violent hanging suicides but almost one hundered percent of violent strangulation murders.

A lot comes down to the cameras.  If the rumors are true that the cameras were purposely turned off just before the event, then there is more than enough evidence to suspect foul play and treat it as a murder invedtigation.  That is probably what the lawyers are waiting to see.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: David in MN on August 21, 2019, 07:46:59 AM
Who cares what any medical examiner says? It's a suspicious death no matter what opinion they give unless they confirm defensive wounds which are the telltale. Beyond that treat it as unsolved and investigate. Who has the cellmate talked to? Has his comissary changed? What mail? Look at the patterns on the "working" cameras to see if there is something odd. Interview anyone he talked to.

All that would cost roughly $0 but instead we send a couple dozen agents to hang out at his Caribbean home? At least I'd show up with a sledge hammer.

The FBI could button this case down with nothing but the obvious and easy paper trails and witness interviews. It's not a half court trick shot but a layup. I wish they'd go after a billionaire sex trafficker who died under odd circumstances with 1/10 the zeal they went after Martha Stewart for acting on her broker's advise.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Stwood on August 21, 2019, 08:30:29 AM


 I wish they'd go after a billionaire sex trafficker who died under odd circumstances with 1/10 the zeal they went after Martha Stewart for acting on her broker's advise.

Same here, but I suspect there's too many big boys involved and they are being told to back off, stumble, mumble, and play stupid.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on August 21, 2019, 08:50:07 AM
They did look at cameras.  Five minutes afterwards the warden was reassigned and the US prison chief was ousted.  They just arent saying what they found.

Then they officially dropped the Epstein criminal case.  The conspirators case is also effectivly dead as the only way to set aside their immunity was by showing Epstein violated terms of agreement during his trial. Now all the attention is moving towards civil cases and potential case in UK.  But good luck on those.  All the data evidence has been wiped clean by Epstein's staff and his will was filed in Virgin Islands providing a layer of protection on pursuing the money.  And UK case involves the potential next king.  No chance that will go anywhere.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: David in MN on August 21, 2019, 11:06:34 AM
Nothing I disagree with all around. And I get that a scandal that CLEARLY involves the British and Saudi royal families along with New York socialites and Hollywood elite is going to get quashed. But it's been done (here) in the most naked and aggressive way. They literally pulled a "nothing to see here" while burying evidence and ignoring leads.

You really have to look at the FBI. In the past 3 years 4 big stories have hit. They bungled the Clinton stuff with the James Comey on-again-off-again investigation (which I still think was blackmail), put Mueller on the dumbest investigation in history, failed to even give a timeline from the Vegas shooting, and failed to investigate this case, the easiest slam dunk in the history of the world.

At some point the FBI needs to fly its flag upside down.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on August 21, 2019, 03:52:07 PM
Yep.  Even New York Mayor de Blasio is pusuing independent investigation.  Noone has confidence in FBI.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/12/nyregion/conspiracy-theories-epstein-suicide.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/12/nyregion/conspiracy-theories-epstein-suicide.html)
Epstein Conspiracy Theories: De Blasio, and Others Join Speculation

Mayor Bill de Blasio on Monday joined a host of prominent figures in sharply questioning how Jeffrey Epstein died in an apparent suicide in federal jail, insisting that he was not dabbling in conspiracy theories even as he echoed them.
...
“It’s just too convenient,” Mr. de Blasio said. “It’s too many pieces happening simultaneously that don’t fit.”
...
Mr. de Blasio noted that Mr. Epstein “had information potentially related to some of the wealthiest and most powerful people in the country.”

“It’s just not a believable situation that there wouldn’t be an intense and careful effort to watch him,” Mr. de Blasio said.

He added: “A lot of times, folks fall into conspiracy theories that instantly fall apart and sound extreme. But in this case, the facts themselves don’t make sense on their face.”


Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on August 21, 2019, 08:30:04 PM
OMG.  Barr is on radio talking about how government employee unions have effectively stalled all interviews on Epstein death.  They are trying to find way around them.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: FreeLancer on August 21, 2019, 08:53:22 PM
Good luck with that.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: FreeLancer on August 21, 2019, 09:10:28 PM
WaPo:  At least eight jail officials knew Jeffrey Epstein was not to be left alone in cell (https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/at-least-eight-jail-officials-knew-jeffrey-epstein-was-not-to-be-left-alone-in-cell/2019/08/21/28cefc8e-c437-11e9-9986-1fb3e4397be4_story.html)

Quote
The fact that so many prison officials were aware of the directive — not just low-level correctional officers, but supervisors and managers — has alarmed investigators assessing what so far appears to be a stunning failure to follow instructions, these people said. Like others, they spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss ongoing investigations. They declined to identify the eight.

Investigators suspect that at least some of these individuals also knew Epstein had been left alone in a cell before he died, and they are working to determine the extent of such knowledge, these people said, cautioning that the apparent disregard for the instruction does not necessarily mean there was criminal conduct. The explanation, they said, could be simpler and sadder — bureaucratic incompetence spanning multiple individuals and ranks within the organization.


Hanlon's razor:  "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on August 21, 2019, 10:52:50 PM
The plot thickens.  Unions definitely were not happy with. Epstein investigation.

Barr said that the DOJ, FBI and Inspector General investigations into Epstein's death are, "well along," but added that there have been some unanticipated delays.  "A number of the witnesses are not cooperative," Barr said. "A number of them required having union representatives and lawyers before we could scheduled interviews."

Background:

https://freebeacon.com/issues/prominent-unions-back-acosta-labor-secretary/ (https://freebeacon.com/issues/prominent-unions-back-acosta-labor-secretary/)
Prominent Unions Back Acosta for Labor Secretary

Several major unions have endorsed Alexander Acosta, President Donald Trump's nominee to lead the Department of Labor.

Acosta, the dean of Florida International University's law school, has attracted the support of several major unions that endorsed Hillary Clinton in the general election and vocally opposed Trump's first labor secretary nominee, fast food executive Andy Puzder. Terry O'Sullivan, president of Laborers International Union of North America, signaled his support for Acosta in a press release, hailing the nominee's "long and distinguished career as a public servant."


https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/12/labor-secretary-alex-acosta-is-resigning-as-pressure-mounts-from-jeffrey-epstein-case.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/12/labor-secretary-alex-acosta-is-resigning-as-pressure-mounts-from-jeffrey-epstein-case.html)
Trump Labor Secretary Alex Acosta resigns amid pressure from Jeffrey Epstein sex traffic case

Labor Secretary Alex Acosta says he will resign amid controversy over the way he handled a sex crimes case against wealthy businessman Jeffrey Epstein a decade ago when Acosta was U.S. attorney for southern Florida.

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/daily-labor-report/harder-charging-patrick-pizzella-takes-labor-reins-from-acosta (https://news.bloomberglaw.com/daily-labor-report/harder-charging-patrick-pizzella-takes-labor-reins-from-acosta)
Harder-Charging Patrick Pizzella Takes Labor Reins From Acosta

Labor Secretary Alexander Acosta’s exit paves the way for longtime GOP government official and management ally Patrick Pizzella to become acting labor secretary.

Pizzella, who has been Acosta’s deputy since 2018 and is a former lobbying partner of disgraced business lobbyist Jack Abramoff, is seen by associates on Capitol Hill as a harder-charging advocate for industry interests and more inclined than the cautious Acosta to rapidly reverse Obama-era policies that favored certain workers and unions.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on August 21, 2019, 11:22:40 PM
Background.  Note this is state, imagine federal where the oversight is even less.

https://www.themarshallproject.org/2016/04/11/the-state-that-is-taking-on-the-prison-guards-union (https://www.themarshallproject.org/2016/04/11/the-state-that-is-taking-on-the-prison-guards-union)
The State That is Taking on the Prison Guards Union
For decades, New York state’s corrections officers union has held the power in disciplinary decisions.


The job of an internal affairs investigator in New York State’s corrections department can be thankless work. So it was a rare occasion last month when officials summoned all 150 members of the unit to the department’s training academy here for a pep talk.

The past year had been an unusually bad one for the agency, with the escape of two convicted murderers from the Clinton Correctional Facility in northern New York and a series of federal investigations into brutality by officers.Not mentioned that morning, but understood by all, was that the internal affairs unit, responsible for investigating wrongdoing by guards, had been an embarrassment for years.Investigators had often been reluctant to challenge the powerful corrections officers’ union, and the disciplinary system was so stacked in the union’s favor that a guard could be found guilty of brutalizing an inmate and not be fired.

But the internal affairs unit had been overhauled. It was now prepared to take the fight to the union, Daniel F. Martuscello III, the department’s deputy commissioner, declared.“We will do anything necessary,” he said, adding, “I’m not here to make the union happy.”

When he finished speaking that morning, the investigators gave him a standing ovation.For the New York State Department of Corrections and Community Supervision, which has long been seen as subservient to the union, it was an unusual move of defiance, one that could have reverberations across the prison system.The possibilities for lasting change in the department largely rest on how this battle plays out, between a newly emboldened internal affairs unit and the 20,000-member union, the New York State Correctional Officers & Police Benevolent Association, which has long held the levers of power inside prisons
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Docwatmo on August 22, 2019, 06:26:06 AM
I've never been a big believer in coincidence.  It's generally a statistically low probability.  Thus, in this case, if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, fly's like a duck, eats like a duck, craps like a duck, and tastes like duck, it's most likely duck. 
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on August 22, 2019, 08:13:00 AM
So apparently Epstein's former cell mate is being threatened by prison guards to keep his mouth shut about the  'suicide'.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/epstein-former-cellmate-ex-cop-asked-transfer.amp (https://www.foxnews.com/us/epstein-former-cellmate-ex-cop-asked-transfer.amp)
Former Epstein cellmate requests prison transfer, claiming 'deplorable' conditions, threats from guards

"The clear message Mr. Tartaglione has received is that if he conveys information about the facility or about the recent suicide, there will be a price to pay," Barket wrote...."the correction officers know he has information potentially very damaging to the very people now charged with guarding him or their coworkers."
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It was not clear why he was moved. On Aug. 10, Epstein committed suicide by hanging, New York City's chief medical examiner said.
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A law enforcement source told the New York Daily News that Tartaglione claimed he helped Epstein when he found him unconscious in his cell after his first suicide attempt.

Epstein was taken off suicide watch before he died but it was not clear when, a source familiar with the matter told Fox News. His death has led to questions over how a high-profile prisoner could kill himself under the nose of guards.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: David in MN on August 22, 2019, 09:24:36 AM
I generally agree with Freelancer that stupidity outranks malice. But if I wanted to write a story that gave fuel to conspiracies holy crap this is it. Any part of this story in and of itself would engender wild thoughts but the fact that it all aligns is just plain nuts. There was this one guy who mysteriously built an empire, had a private island, hung out with the rich/famous/political class, trafficked underage girls, got a sweetheart deal, got re-arrested, and died in jail under (shall we say) circumstances that leave questions.

While I'm heartened that New York wants the truth to come out they're screwed. The FBI is sitting on all the evidence. They're literally blocking legal discovery.

I always go back to the passport. Crimes aside a wealthy Jewish New Yorker with a Saudi passport in an assumed name should raise eyebrows. He's not trying to quietly slip in to Mecca. Passports have paper trails a mile long. Just go through the documents. Find the check. Review the application.

What do 7 5 year olds, a meth addled hobo, and a pile of sawdust have in common? All better investigators than the FBI.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on August 22, 2019, 12:54:30 PM
I always go back to the passport. Crimes aside a wealthy Jewish New Yorker with a Saudi passport in an assumed name should raise eyebrows. He's not trying to quietly slip in to Mecca. Passports have paper trails a mile long. Just go through the documents. Find the check. Review the application.

My understanding from the radio is that it was an Austrian passport provided through UK intelligence, not a Saudi passport.  The address was an Epstein held corporate address in Saudi Arabia. 
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: David in MN on August 22, 2019, 02:20:20 PM
My understanding from the radio is that it was an Austrian passport provided through UK intelligence, not a Saudi passport.  The address was an Epstein held corporate address in Saudi Arabia.

That's a feature, not a bug. Now I get the help of the Austrians and Brits and Saudis. Oh and I get out of the feckless FBI and into the CIA. And they'll be bolstered by MI-5, Saudi secret police, and EU (NATO) command. It is not a stretch to say Interpol and Europol could be easily involved.

Having a fake passport is a big deal. I realize in the grand scheme it's the chess version of a good pawn defense. But it's just basic investigation. Give enough guys enough time with tackhammers and the Great Wall falls. With this passport it's just names and dates.

There's enough jurisdictions from Europe to Saudi to the Caribbean to America that one party could make something stick. It's international so just about everybody could have a swing under their own laws. Or use international courts. Or bounce it from New York to Florida to California and sue the FBI for evidence.

My great physics professor used to differentiate difficult "you need to derive" work from simple "plug and chug". This is a simple plug and chug case where any number of international law enforcers could just walk in. For all the talk of Russian electioneering what if they put in the four minutes it takes to find every person of interest up and down this case?

This one reeks from start to finish.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on August 22, 2019, 03:54:41 PM
UK papers fiilled with stories saying it was murder.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9757129/jeffrey-epstein-did-not-commit-suicide-murdered-lawyer-suggests/amp (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9757129/jeffrey-epstein-did-not-commit-suicide-murdered-lawyer-suggests/amp)
HIGHLY SUSPICIOUS' Jeffrey Epstein was MURDERED, claims victims’ lawyer after ‘receiving new information from prison source’

A LAWYER for Jeffrey Epstein’s victims says he has obtained new information that suggests the billionaire paedo did NOT commit suicide but was murdered.
Spencer Kuvin, who accurately predicted that shamed financier would not last until his trial, told Sun Online he had been contacted by an anonymous prison worker who claimed it was “highly unlikely” the perv killed himself.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on August 22, 2019, 04:07:41 PM
Grand jury subpoenas in a suicide investigation?  Doesnt happen.  At very least this is now a negligent homicide investigation. 

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/08/22/us/jeffrey-epstein-investigation/index.html (https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/08/22/us/jeffrey-epstein-investigation/index.html)
Correctional officers have been subpoenaed in the Jeffrey Epstein death investigation, a source says

As many as 20 correctional officers who work at the federal detention center where Jeffrey Epstein died by suicide received grand jury subpoenas last week relating to an investigation into his death, according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

Investigators are trying to recreate what happened on the night Epstein died nearly two weeks ago at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in New York, the source said
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: FreeLancer on August 22, 2019, 06:37:57 PM
Sure it does.  Mental health professionals get subpoenaed all the time in order to investigate negligence that results in suicide. This CO situation isn’t that far removed.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Stwood on August 22, 2019, 07:44:07 PM

**After the first incident, when Epstein was found with marks on his neck, Bureau of Prisons officials determined that he had tried to fake a suicide and they issued an infraction against him, which serves to put the event on his internal prison record, a person briefed on the matter said.**

First time I've seen that in print
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on August 22, 2019, 09:54:11 PM
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation/ap-source-prison-staff-members-subpoenaed-in-epstein-probe/ (https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation/ap-source-prison-staff-members-subpoenaed-in-epstein-probe/)
AP source: Prison staff members subpoenaed in Epstein probe

Federal prosecutors have subpoenaed up to 20 staff members at the jail where Jeffrey Epstein killed himself, amid mounting evidence that guards failed to keep watch on the financier as he awaited trial on charges of sexually abusing teenage girls, a person familiar with the investigation told The Associated Press on Thursday.

The subpoenas suggest authorities may be pursuing criminal charges against employees at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in New York, where Epstein took his own life on Aug. 10. The person spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because grand jury proceedings are secret.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on August 23, 2019, 07:30:34 PM
https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/2101454001 (https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/2101454001)
Justice Department: Psychologist removed Jeffrey Epstein from suicide watch

The Justice Department late Friday acknowledged that accused sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein had been removed from suicide watch prior to his death by a "doctoral-level psychologist" who determined that continued monitoring was "no longer warranted."
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The Justice Department said it was limited in what could be disclosed because of three continuing investigations into the death led by the FBI, the department's inspector general and the Bureau of Prisons.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: FreeLancer on August 23, 2019, 09:00:04 PM
Sucks to be him.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on August 23, 2019, 11:29:59 PM
Reportedly the guards are telling Epstein's former fellow prisoners to shut up and not cooperate with investigation or they to will commit suicide.

https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ny-epstein-cellmate-threats-20190821-zbgy5cliave6vdfox2ktoj7muq-story.html (https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ny-epstein-cellmate-threats-20190821-zbgy5cliave6vdfox2ktoj7muq-story.html)
Federal judge frustrated with MCC after Jeffrey Epstein’s former cellmate complains of threats

A frustrated federal judge hinted Wednesday he might hold jail officials in contempt after Jeffrey Epstein’s former cellmate said he received threats from Metropolitan Correctional Center staff.
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His attorney Bruce Barket said the federal probes into Epstein’s death had left Tartaglione in a “vulnerable position.”
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“It just doesn’t seem appropriate that he be housed and guarded by the very people who are under investigation given his proximity to the investigation,” Barket said in U.S. District Court in White Plains.

“My client shouldn’t have to fear for his life.”
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Judge Kenneth Karas said he would hold contempt hearings if MCC isn’t able to ensure Tartaglione’s safety. The judge said the jail’s legal team gave assurances that were not carried out by staff.
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“The status quo really isn’t acceptable. Factually there is a disconnect. There just seems to be problems implementing what MCC legal says they’re going to do,” Karas said.

"I’ll start having hearings and I’ll start throwing around contempt and so on and so forth.“
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Stwood on August 24, 2019, 06:31:03 AM
*Judge Kenneth Karas said he would hold contempt hearings if MCC isn’t able to ensure Tartaglione’s safety.*



 :facepalm: :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on August 24, 2019, 09:19:33 AM
So here is a summary of the info we have to date:

1. A week before death, Epstein is found in center of cell passed out with neck bruises and nothing wrapped around his neck.  He tells attorney he was attacked.  Guards said he must have tried to commit suicide and he is put on solitary watch in room where there are no others to witness him except 15 minute checks by guards.

2. PhD psychologist does full evaluation for suicide signs and finds none.  He is taken off watch but ordered for strict, continuous observation including having cell mate and 30 minute check-ins by guards.

3. He is upbeat with lawyers saying he is confident he will beat charges.  But he says he fears for his safety and life in this prison.  He asks to finalize will changes just in case, which is done.

4.  Guards move his cell mate to another room without reason.  There is no recorded action to do so.  He again is in a cell alone with no witnesses.

5. A new guard detail is brought in who arent part of that unit.  One is not even a corrections officer but a part time employee of unreleased origin. 

6. Prison suicide response team is reportedly sent home three hours early to do prison upgrades.

7. New guards stop 30 minute checkins on Epstein and falsify record book.  At this time it is rumored that the cell block cameras either malfunction or are turned off.

8. Epstein is found unresponsive in cell with bed sheet wrapped around neck but according to rumors not tied to anything.

9. Epstein is taken to hospital and declared dead. Word of his death with explicit details is posted by anonymous account on Epstein focussed 4chan thread before Justice department officials, lawyers, or media is notified.

10. Two prison guards suspended.  Rumors are they claimed fifth amendment rights when questioned.  Warden transfered to new prison.  Head of prison system ousted.

11. Autopsy shows severe injuries.  These injuries are only found in 6% of violent hanging suicides but in nearly 100% of strangulation murders.  New York medical examiners office declares it suicide basing conclusion not just on autopsy but on information provided by unidentified prison investigators. Controversial Chief Medical Examiner with record of "losing" critical evidence in other cases refuses to release any supporting details.  A highly regarded independent pathologist hired by lawyers watches autopsy.  Based on his feedback lawyerx reject medical examiner's conclusion and launch own investigation.

12. Other prison guards refuse to cooperate with investigators. Their union moves to block interviews.

13. Epstein criminal investigation is officially dropped.  But grand jury is called.  They find probable cause of criminal activity.  Subpoenas issued to compel testimony of twenty guards.

14. Prison guards threaten inmates, especially Epstein's cell mate, to not cooperate with investigators.

15. Judge threatens prison staff with contempt if they dont take immediate action to keep other prisoners safe.

Nope, nothing to see here...
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on August 24, 2019, 10:28:16 AM
So here is a summary of the info we have to date:

1. A week before death, Epstein is found in center of cell passed out with neck bruises and nothing wrapped around his neck.  He tells attorney he was attacked.  Guards said he must have tried to commit suicide and he is put on solitary watch in room where there are no others to witness him except 15 minute checks by guards.

Sorry 1st one should be, A couple weeks...
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Stwood on August 24, 2019, 07:51:15 PM
That sums it up pretty good.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on August 26, 2019, 09:12:13 AM
An inside view on how Epstein groomed young girls and how it was covered up.  The media and politicians were just short of, if not tecnically, conspirators.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/26/us/epstein-farmer-sisters-maxwell.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/26/us/epstein-farmer-sisters-maxwell.html)

The Sisters Who First Tried to Take Down Jeffrey Epstein
Nine years before any police investigation, Maria and Annie Farmer reported the troubling behavior of Jeffrey Epstein and his companion, Ghislaine Maxwell. No one would act.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on August 26, 2019, 07:07:27 PM
Some cell block video is clear, just the video we need to understand what happened is unusable and we have no idea why. What a crazy coincidence, no?

https://beta.washingtonpost.com/politics/investigators-scrutinizing-video-outside-epsteins-cell-find-some-footage-unusable-according-to-people-familiar-with-the-inquiry/2019/08/26/df405636-c827-11e9-a4f3-c081a126de70_story.html?outputType=amp (https://beta.washingtonpost.com/politics/investigators-scrutinizing-video-outside-epsteins-cell-find-some-footage-unusable-according-to-people-familiar-with-the-inquiry/2019/08/26/df405636-c827-11e9-a4f3-c081a126de70_story.html?outputType=amp)
Investigators scrutinizing video outside Epstein’s cell find some footage unusable, according to people familiar with the inquiry

At least one camera in the hallway outside the cell where authorities say registered sex offender Jeffrey Epstein hanged himself earlier this month had footage that is unusable, although other, clearer footage was captured in the area, according to three people briefed on the evidence gathered earlier this month.

It was not immediately clear why some video footage outside Epstein’s cell is too flawed for investigators to use or what is visible in the usable footage.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on August 27, 2019, 03:45:14 PM
Despite mounting evidence, prosecutor Comey is blocking investigation into circumstances of Epstein's death as ""It is not the purview, respectfully, of the court to conduct an investigation into uncharged matters,".  I wonder if this Comey is related to James Comey?

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/08/27/jeffrey-epsteins-lawyers-skeptical-of-suicide-ruling.html (https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/08/27/jeffrey-epsteins-lawyers-skeptical-of-suicide-ruling.html)
Jeffrey Epstein's lawyers highly 'skeptical' of suicide ruling, say he wasn't 'despairing, despondent' before death

A defense lawyer for Jeffrey Epstein on Tuesday expressed deep skepticism that the wealthy financier died by hanging himself in a Manhattan federal jail while awaiting trial on child sex trafficking charges, as a medical examiner has ruled.

The injuries suffered by Epstein are "far more consistent with assault" than suicide, the lawyer, Reid Weingarten, told Judge Richard Berman in U.S. District Court in Manhattan during a hearing.

Weingarten cited the defense's own medical sources. Broken bones were found in Epstein's neck during an autopsy after he died Aug. 10.
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Another Epstein lawyer, Martin Weinberg, told Berman that the defense team had prepared a "significant" motion to dismiss the case, and that the lawyers were not approaching the case with a "futile, defeatist attitude."

Weingarten said Berman had a "pivotal role to find out what happened."

"We want the court to help us find out what happened," Weingarten said.

"We're skeptical of the certitude" of the finding of suicide by hanging by the New York City Medical Examiner, the lawyer said.

There are "significant doubts" regarding "the conclusion of suicide," Weingarten said.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on August 27, 2019, 03:52:57 PM
Yes she is.  How convenient, she is his daughter.  So Comey's daughter shut down the Epstein investigation. 

Nothing to see here...

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/comeys-daughter-named-to-epstein-prosecution-team (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/comeys-daughter-named-to-epstein-prosecution-team)
James Comey’s daughter named to Jeffrey Epstein prosecution team

The Justice Department team that is leading the prosecution of alleged child sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein includes the daughter of former FBI Director James Comey.

Geoffrey Berman, the U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York, said at a press conference Monday that Maurene Comey is part of the public corruption unit handling the case against the well-connected and wealthy businessman.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Stwood on August 27, 2019, 06:43:16 PM
Ayup. Big boys tied together, stay together, and their siblings...
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: David in MN on August 28, 2019, 11:18:56 AM
Tim Pool on the story. Nothing new but a focus on the lawyers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0VyXF_JJ9s
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on August 29, 2019, 11:11:24 PM
All the polls seem to hovering around 30% believing Epstein committed suicide.  Would be great question to ask Democratic Presidential candidates.

https://amp.dailycaller.com/2019/08/14/rasmussen-poll-think-epstein-murdered (https://amp.dailycaller.com/2019/08/14/rasmussen-poll-think-epstein-murdered)
Rasmussen Poll: 42% Think Epstein Was Murdered

A new Rasmussen poll last weekend shows that 42% of Americans believe pedophile Jeffrey Epstein was murdered.

Rasmussen Reports conducted an online and national telephone survey between August 12 and 13 with 1,000 respondents and asked them if they believe Epstein committed suicide or if he was murdered.

The findings show that only 29% of Americans think the notorious billionaire committed suicide, while 42% believe he was murdered. The remaining 29% are undecided or could not make a definitive decision.


https://amp.insider.com/jeffrey-epstein-suicide-death-poll-2019-8 (https://amp.insider.com/jeffrey-epstein-suicide-death-poll-2019-8)
Only 33% of Americans believe that Jeffrey Epstein actually died by suicide

Only 33% of Americans believe Jeffrey Epstein died by suicide, indicating a widespread belief in the conspiracy theories that have emerged in the aftermath of the sex offender's death.

In a poll conducted by Emerson College, 1,458 registered voters responded that they were closely split among three possible explanations for Epstein's death


Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on August 30, 2019, 10:10:21 PM
Happy dead news Friday.

Clinton-appointed Judge Richard M. Berman officially closed the Epstein case without allowing for any examination into the circumstances surrounding his death. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/judge-formally-drops-new-charges-against-epstein/2019/08/30/6f92efda-cb31-11e9-a4f3-c081a126de70_story.html (https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/judge-formally-drops-new-charges-against-epstein/2019/08/30/6f92efda-cb31-11e9-a4f3-c081a126de70_story.html)
Judge formally drops new charges against Epstein

He also was the judge who denied him being moved to another facility.  He has been criticized before for using psychology as an excuse for political purposes; specifically holding one of Clinton's critics in counseling.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/07/judge_bermans_colossally_unethical_psychology_practice.html (https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/07/judge_bermans_colossally_unethical_psychology_practice.html)
Judge Berman's colossally unethical psychology practice

n July 13, U.S. District Judge Richard M. Berman ordered further psychological counseling of indefinite term for best-selling conservative author and filmmaker Dinesh D'Souza.  Mr. D'Souza had earlier pleaded guilty to violating federal campaign finance laws by bundling two $10,000 donations into one.  In the world of campaign financing irregularities, this offense was sub-small potatoes.  It was more like teenie tater-tots.

But Mr. D'Souza was sentenced to eight months of work release incarceration and five years of community service, fines, and counseling of indeterminate duration.  This is a much more punitive sentence than in a comparable case of bundling on behalf of Hillary Clinton (Sant Sing Chatwal, NY Times: "Clinton Backer Pleads Guilty in Straw Donor Scheme"; NY Post: "Vikram's Big Fat Sikh Wedding").
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on August 31, 2019, 07:47:41 AM
Ok, now this is getting totally crazy.  CBS news radio reporting that the Warden who was in charge of prison where Epstein died only recently took over that role, apparently concurrent with Epstein being placed there.  His name is Lamine N’Diaye.  His professional background is that he was handpicked by Eric Holder to head the Bureau of Prisons Office of Internal Affairs.  That's right, he was in charge of the prison investigators during the Obama administration.  It was a surprise to many that he quietly took a demotion to become warden of MCC.

But it gets even crazier.  The previous Warden was Shirley Skipper-Scott.  She was initially reported as the Warden by news media as her name was still listed as warden on all the contact information for MCC.  But she quietly stepped down to associate warden when N’Diaye came in.  She actually sued Eric Holder for employment issues in 2016 but mysteriously dropped the case, the details of which have been sealed. It is believed she accepted a personal settlement from him in lieu of it.

It's a very small world, no?
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on September 01, 2019, 11:11:48 AM
It is nearly unbelievable, but the wardens stories are legit.

VOA confirms N'Diaye former position as head of Prison Internal Affairs. 

https://www.voanews.com/usa/warden-new-york-jail-where-financier-epstein-died-removed (https://www.voanews.com/usa/warden-new-york-jail-where-financier-epstein-died-removed)
The staff shakeup at the Metropolitan Correctional Center (MCC) in lower Manhattan announced by the department included temporarily reassigning the warden to another post within the federal Bureau of Prisons, appointing a temporary replacement
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Epstein was found dead on Saturday morning, having apparently hanged himself in his cell.
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"Additional actions may be taken as the circumstances warrant," Kerri Kupec, a Justice Department spokeswoman, said in a statement.
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The department did not name the warden who was reassigned, but sources familiar with the matter identified him as Lamine N'Diaye, who formerly was in charge of the Bureau of Prisons office of internal affairs.



And Skipper-Scott did sue Eric Holder but let case drop concurrent with a promotion:

Lawsuit: https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/case/838328/SkipperScott_v_Holder_et_al (https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/case/838328/SkipperScott_v_Holder_et_al)

Employment record: https://www.federalpay.org/employees/bureau-of-prisons-federal-prison-system/skipper-scott-shirley-v (https://www.federalpay.org/employees/bureau-of-prisons-federal-prison-system/skipper-scott-shirley-v)  Notice how she is unnasigned in 2016 as lawsuit is proceeding then her salary jumps nearly $30k after suit is dismissed.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Mr. Bill on September 01, 2019, 12:35:13 PM
I don't usually go for conspiracy explanations of events, but I'm sticking with my previous statement that nearly any physically possible explanation could be true at this point.

We will never know what happened.  If, this afternoon, somebody with complete knowledge of the event gave us the total and truthful description of everything that happened, two-thirds of the world would disbelieve it, because of all the other possible explanations.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on September 02, 2019, 09:19:07 AM
https://nypost.com/2019/09/02/jeffrey-epsteins-model-scouting-pal-has-disappeared-without-a-trace/amp/ (https://nypost.com/2019/09/02/jeffrey-epsteins-model-scouting-pal-has-disappeared-without-a-trace/amp/)
Jeffrey Epstein’s model-scouting pal has ‘disappeared without a trace’

The model agency boss accused of scouting young girls for pedophile pal Jeffrey Epstein has disappeared like a “ghost,” as investigators scour the globe searching for him, a new report said.

French authorities want to quiz Jean-Luc Brunel, 72, over his ties to Epstein as part of their own probe into the late financier who had a house in Paris, according to the Daily Mirror.

“He is a ghost who has disappeared without a trace,” a legal source in Paris told the paper of Brunel, who discovered some of the biggest names in modeling, including Christy Turlington and Angie Everhardt.

Investigators have made inquiries throughout the US and Europe, as well as Brazil, where the Frenchman was seen looking for girls just three months before Epstein, 66, was arrested, the paper says.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Morning Sunshine on September 02, 2019, 09:31:22 AM
https://nypost.com/2019/09/02/jeffrey-epsteins-model-scouting-pal-has-disappeared-without-a-trace/amp/ (https://nypost.com/2019/09/02/jeffrey-epsteins-model-scouting-pal-has-disappeared-without-a-trace/amp/)
Jeffrey Epstein’s model-scouting pal has ‘disappeared without a trace’

The model agency boss accused of scouting young girls for pedophile pal Jeffrey Epstein has disappeared like a “ghost,” as investigators scour the globe searching for him, a new report said.

French authorities want to quiz Jean-Luc Brunel, 72, over his ties to Epstein as part of their own probe into the late financier who had a house in Paris, according to the Daily Mirror.

“He is a ghost who has disappeared without a trace,” a legal source in Paris told the paper of Brunel, who discovered some of the biggest names in modeling, including Christy Turlington and Angie Everhardt.

Investigators have made inquiries throughout the US and Europe, as well as Brazil, where the Frenchman was seen looking for girls just three months before Epstein, 66, was arrested, the paper says.



this just gets weirder and weirder.  I think, personally, he was killed.  And now his "buddies" are either being killed themselves or disappearing before it can happen.  I hope the girls are not victimized a second time.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Stwood on September 02, 2019, 04:13:28 PM
Bet there will be more disappearances, people tied to Jeff and the big boys.


Speaking of dead, have they got him on ice??
There's been no word of a funeral.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on September 03, 2019, 09:55:19 AM
Speaking of dead, have they got him on ice??
There's been no word of a funeral.

He is burried in a Florida cemetery where his parents are.  There were threats of grave desecration so it is currently unmarked.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Stwood on September 03, 2019, 10:06:10 AM
Ok. Well I've seen no news of it.
If next to his parents, which is normal if there is room next to them, he would be easy to find I would think.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on September 03, 2019, 12:10:25 PM
Ok. Well I've seen no news of it.
If next to his parents, which is normal if there is room next to them, he would be easy to find I would think.

The radio news coverage has been more in-depth than TV and online.  There were protests about him being burried in that Jewish cemetary.  They decided it was appropriate to proceed given the laws and precedents.  But they were very worried sbout vandalism.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Stwood on September 03, 2019, 01:48:55 PM


*Virtual Flowers have been disabled because of abuse.*
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/201992988/jeffrey-epstein


Not sure if this pic is correct.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9772507/jeffrey-epstein-buried-parents/

And like you say, most info is now coming from foreign news.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Stwood on September 03, 2019, 05:53:04 PM
Interesting that he associated with scientists.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/peteraldhous/jeffrey-epstein-science-donations-apologies-statements?utm_source=pocket&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=pockethits
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on September 06, 2019, 06:47:11 AM
Very powerful people in this catalog.

https://time.com/5668489/jeffrey-epstein-sealed-names/ (https://time.com/5668489/jeffrey-epstein-sealed-names/)
Sealed Jeffrey Epstein Court Documents Name at Least 1,000 People. A Judge Must Decide Whether to Release Them

The names of at least 1,000 people appear in sealed court documents associated with Jeffrey Epstein, a court heard on Wednesday. Whether to make them public is the latest skirmish in a years-long legal battle that continues to play out even after Epstein’s death.

The revelation came after attorneys for a “John Doe” asked a federal judge in New York not to release the names of people who were not directly involved with the 2015 defamation lawsuit filed by Epstein accuser Virginia Roberts Giuffre against Epstein’s longtime confidante Ghislaine Maxwell.

The case was settled in 2017, but the details are only just now emerging. A day before Epstein’s death in August, a massive cache of documents from the suit was unsealed––revealing accusations against prominent figures, including former New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson and former Sen. George Mitchell. Within the files, Giuffre alleged Maxwell acted as Epstein’s “madame” and was “one of the main women” whom Epstein used “to procure under-aged girls for sexual activities.”
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Stwood on September 06, 2019, 07:42:49 AM
Ghislaine Maxwell
Wonder what's going on around her. Hasn't been in the news much.


1000 names. Thats a lot of trouble right there.
Judge will have to have some big balls to release that.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on September 06, 2019, 09:22:03 PM
Ghislaine Maxwell
Wonder what's going on around her. Hasn't been in the news much.

Now that is a big rabbit hole.  Last proven citing was at an In-N-Out Burger in LA reading a secret lives of CIA agents book while drinking from two different cups.  If that isnt weird enough, a news photographer snapped a picture but for some reason it was photoshopped when published in the paper changing weird things like a poster ad in the background.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: surfivor on September 09, 2019, 05:23:13 PM

..

Epstein gave 8 million to MIT on behalf of bill gates supposedly for some sort of eugenics program

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/sep/07/jeffrey-epstein-mit-funding-tech-intellectuals

The Epstein scandal – including the latest revelation that Epstein might have channeled up to $8m (some of it, apparently, on behalf of Bill Gates) to the MIT Media Lab, while its executives were fully aware of his problematic background – has cast the digerati in a very different light. It has already led to the resignation of the lab’s director, Joi Ito.

This, however, is not only a story of individuals gone rogue. The ugly collective picture of the techno-elites that emerges from the Epstein scandal reveals them as a bunch of morally
bankrupt opportunists. To treat their ideas as genuine but wrong is too generous; the only genuine thing about them is their fakeness. Big tech and its apologists do produce the big thoughts – alas, mostly accidental byproducts of them chasing the big bucks.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on September 10, 2019, 12:01:43 PM
Maybe MIT Media Labs can help the FBI figure out what happened to the two cameras outside Epstein's cell.  It has been weeks since FBI seized them for examination but no explanation has been forthcoming.  They reportedly both simultaneously failed to produce usable video for the time Epstein allegedly killed himself.  They worked fine both before and after the incident and none of the other cell block cameras had failures.  Neither the cameras nor unusable video files have been made available to Epstein's lawyers despite requests.  The Clinton-appointed judge, listening to James Comey's prosecutor daughter, refused to order their release before closing down case in record time.  Nothing to see here...literally.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-people-jeffrey-epstein-cameras/fbi-studies-two-broken-cameras-outside-cell-where-epstein-died-source-idUSKCN1VI2LC (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-people-jeffrey-epstein-cameras/fbi-studies-two-broken-cameras-outside-cell-where-epstein-died-source-idUSKCN1VI2LC)
FBI studies two broken cameras outside cell where Epstein died
AUGUST 28, 2019


Two cameras that malfunctioned outside the jail cell where financier Jeffrey Epstein died as he awaited trial on sex-trafficking charges have been sent to an FBI crime lab for examination, a law enforcement source told Reuters.

Epstein’s lawyers Reid Weingarten and Martin Weinberg told U.S. District Judge Richard Berman in Manhattan on Tuesday they had doubts about the New York City chief medical examiner’s conclusion that their client killed himself.

The two cameras were within view of the Manhattan jail cell where he was found dead on Aug. 10. A source earlier told Reuters two jail guards failed to follow a procedure overnight to make separate checks on all prisoners every 30 minutes.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Docwatmo on September 10, 2019, 01:14:15 PM
Sounds like someone used an high frequency scrambler.  It scrambles video/Audio/Cell/Radio and other signals for a particular radius around the user.   
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: NWPilgrim on September 10, 2019, 03:56:24 PM
Interesting that he associated with scientists.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/peteraldhous/jeffrey-epstein-science-donations-apologies-statements?utm_source=pocket&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=pockethits

Apparently none of those research scientists are familiar with Google. “I took his $100,000 donation over several years but had no idea who he really was.” 
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Stwood on September 10, 2019, 05:18:37 PM
Apparently none of those research scientists are familiar with Google. “I took his $100,000 donation over several years but had no idea who he really was.”

Ayup. Probably couldn't care less either.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Morning Sunshine on September 10, 2019, 08:32:40 PM
Sounds like someone used an high frequency scrambler.  It scrambles video/Audio/Cell/Radio and other signals for a particular radius around the user.   

pretty crazy thing for a man committing suicide to use
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Docwatmo on September 11, 2019, 05:09:11 AM
Wasn't Epstein.  It was probably whomever visited him in that time period.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on September 11, 2019, 07:41:55 AM
Wasn't Epstein.  It was probably whomever visited him in that time period.

Big question is, who was the mysterious guard? Reports confirmed they were not a corrections officer. And some suggested they were the one who posted on 4chan about his death prior to any authorities being notified.    Another question is why did NY medical examiners office hit the private pathologist with a gag order preventing him discussing detailed findings from the autopsy?  If it was suicide why wont they let the private pathologist confirm this.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Docwatmo on September 11, 2019, 08:08:50 AM
I'm wondering, if they wanted to make the world believe he was dead, so that he would actually live long enough to take down a bunch of people, I could see this process happening pretty much as it played out.   
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on September 11, 2019, 10:12:00 AM
I'm wondering, if they wanted to make the world believe he was dead, so that he would actually live long enough to take down a bunch of people, I could see this process happening pretty much as it played out.   

The other inmates saw him being removed and pathologist did say it was him who they examined.  Attorneys also saw remains.  So seems very unlikely his death could have  been faked.  Plus, if it was, they would simply have faked camera footage by copying previous footage. But still, even that fits details better than suicide. 
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on September 12, 2019, 06:13:36 AM
Boy Bill Clinton was with him a lot.  He has been in every set of photos of those staying with Epstein.  There are more of him than Epstein himself.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoytko/2019/09/11/jeffrey-epsteins-ex-housekeeper-facebook-photos-show-her-with-prince-andrew-bill-clinton/amp/ (https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoytko/2019/09/11/jeffrey-epsteins-ex-housekeeper-facebook-photos-show-her-with-prince-andrew-bill-clinton/amp/)
Jeffrey Epstein’s Ex-Housekeeper Facebook Photos Show Her With Prince Andrew, Bill Clinton

A trove of Facebook photos posted by Jeffrey Epstein’s ex-housekeeper Jun-Lyn Fontanilla show her with a slew of his famous friends⁠—like Prince Andrew and Bill Clinton
...
Several of the photos—first noticed by the New York Post—show Fontanilla, her husband Jojo (who also worked for Epstein), with Bill Clinton
...
Another photo, uploaded in 2010, shows the Fontanillas with Prince Andrew
...
Several shots that show the couple with Sarah Ferguson, Duchess of York (and Prince Andrew’s ex-wife) were also uploaded to Facebook in 2010. (The New York Times reported that Prince Andrew arranged a transfer that same year of $18,000 from Epstein to help pay down Ferguson’s debts.)
...
Other notable shots include the Fontanillas with actress Hilary Swank, actor Chris Tucker and then-senator John Kerry.
...
Tangent: Epstein was known for wearing Harvard sweatshirts (and was photographed in them multiple times) even though he never went there, and had no formal relationship with the university. He did donate millions to Harvard, which has no plans to return the money—which continues to create tension at the university
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on September 16, 2019, 08:24:08 PM
Others are now essentially off the hook.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/09/16/us/jeffrey-epstein-florida-accusers-judge-ruling/index.html (https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/09/16/us/jeffrey-epstein-florida-accusers-judge-ruling/index.html)
Epstein accusers can't receive damages over plea deal

A federal judge in Florida handed down a loss Monday to Jeffrey Epstein's accusers, who have for years been trying to get payments and undo Epstein's 2007 plea deal in a sex trafficking case.

US District Judge Kenneth Marra ordered the case brought by Jane Doe 1 and Jane Doe 2 against the US closed, ruling the federal government doesn't owe them any money, and that the court couldn't invalidate provisions in the plea deal relating to any alleged co-conspirators because they weren't a party to the case.

The validity of those provisions "will have to be litigated with their participation if any prosecution against them is ever brought," Marra wrote. "Any decision by this court on that question is meaningless without their participation in this proceeding."
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on October 13, 2019, 10:11:20 AM
Just a reminder, FBI still refuses to release report on camera "failures" and 2/3rds of Americans dont buy the suicide story.

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/amp/2019/10/why-jeffrey-epstein-lawyers-question-suicide-ruling.html (http://nymag.com/intelligencer/amp/2019/10/why-jeffrey-epstein-lawyers-question-suicide-ruling.html)
Why Are Jeffrey Epstein’s Lawyers Still Questioning That He Killed Himself?

In the past two months, the swarm of conspiracy theories surrounding Jeffrey Epstein’s death has not dissipated, despite New York City medical examiner Barbara Sampson’s conclusion that he killed himself, alone in his cell, early on the morning of August 10. Two in three Americans doubt the results of the official autopsy, a high but perhaps unsurprising figure, considering America’s generally paranoid mood these days, and the legitimately odd circumstances of Epstein’s death. Why, following an alleged attempt to kill himself on July 23, was Epstein taken off suicide watch after just six days? How could he have hung himself from the top bunk when the prison’s bedsheets are as thin as paper? And how did a camera outside his cell happen to fail at the same time that two guards in his unit fell asleep, providing an unobserved window for whoever killed Epstein to kill Epstein?

Skepticism about the official cause of Epstein’s untimely end isn’t confined to Twitter or gossipy co-workers trying to avoid talking Trump. In court, Epstein’s defense team said they have “significant doubts regarding the conclusion of suicide.” They argued that resolving the questions surrounding Epstein’s death is vitally important, both to ensure that conditions improve for inmates at Metropolitan Correctional Center and to bolster public confidence in the legal system. Plus, said attorney Martin Weinberg, “we deeply want to know what happened to our client.”
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Stwood on October 13, 2019, 10:17:12 AM
Jeff must not be important anymore to the media.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on October 30, 2019, 07:38:45 AM
The gag order is removed and the experts can now talk to the public.  I'm shocked and in total disbelief.  Epstein's death was most likely a homicide by strangulation!  :jaw-drop:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/forensic-pathologist-jeffrey-epstein-homicide-suicide.amp (https://www.foxnews.com/us/forensic-pathologist-jeffrey-epstein-homicide-suicide.amp)
Jeffrey Epstein's autopsy more consistent with homicidal strangulation than suicide, Dr. Michael Baden reveals

The bombshell claim by Dr. Michael Baden, a former New York City medical examiner who has worked on high-profile cases during a five-decade medical career, is certain to reignite suspicions that surfaced immediately after Epstein, who was awaiting trial on federal sex-trafficking charges involving underage girls, was discovered dead in his cell on Aug. 10.
...
He noted that the 66-year-old Epstein had two fractures on the left and right sides of his larynx, specifically the thyroid cartilage or Adam’s apple, as well as one fracture on the left hyoid bone above the Adam’s apple, Baden told Fox News.
...
“I’ve not seen in 50 years where that occurred in a suicidal hanging case,” the 85-year-old medical legend told Fox News.
...
There were also hemorrhages in Epstein’s eyes that were common in homicidal strangulation
...
“The prominent hemorrhage in the soft tissues of the neck next to the fractures is evidence of a fresh neck compression that could have caused the death,” Baden said.
...
New York City Medical Examiner Barbara Sampson ruled Epstein’s cause of death to be a suicide by hanging.

“It appears that this could have been a mistake,” Baden said. “There’s evidence here of homicide that should be investigated, to see if it is or isn’t homicide.”
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: surfivor on October 31, 2019, 10:04:30 AM
The gag order is removed and the experts can now talk to the public.  I'm shocked and in total disbelief.  Epstein's death was most likely a homicide by strangulation!  :jaw-drop:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/forensic-pathologist-jeffrey-epstein-homicide-suicide.amp (https://www.foxnews.com/us/forensic-pathologist-jeffrey-epstein-homicide-suicide.amp)
Jeffrey Epstein's autopsy more consistent with homicidal strangulation than suicide, Dr. Michael Baden reveals

The bombshell claim by Dr. Michael Baden, a former New York City medical examiner who has worked on high-profile cases during a five-decade medical career, is certain to reignite suspicions that surfaced immediately after Epstein, who was awaiting trial on federal sex-trafficking charges involving underage girls, was discovered dead in his cell on Aug. 10.
...
He noted that the 66-year-old Epstein had two fractures on the left and right sides of his larynx, specifically the thyroid cartilage or Adam’s apple, as well as one fracture on the left hyoid bone above the Adam’s apple, Baden told Fox News.
...
“I’ve not seen in 50 years where that occurred in a suicidal hanging case,” the 85-year-old medical legend told Fox News.
...
There were also hemorrhages in Epstein’s eyes that were common in homicidal strangulation
...
“The prominent hemorrhage in the soft tissues of the neck next to the fractures is evidence of a fresh neck compression that could have caused the death,” Baden said.
...
New York City Medical Examiner Barbara Sampson ruled Epstein’s cause of death to be a suicide by hanging.

“It appears that this could have been a mistake,” Baden said. “There’s evidence here of homicide that should be investigated, to see if it is or isn’t homicide.”


You're shocked ? Not me, I am a conspiracy theorist after all and I just come to logical conclusions along time ago because in so many cases conspiracy is the logical explanation with many indications pointing to that
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Morning Sunshine on October 31, 2019, 11:03:02 AM
The gag order is removed and the experts can now talk to the public.  I'm shocked and in total disbelief.  Epstein's death was most likely a homicide by strangulation!  :jaw-drop:

You're shocked ? Not me, I am a conspiracy theorist after all and I just come to logical conclusions along time ago because in so many cases conspiracy is the logical explanation with many indications pointing to that

I think he was sarcastic.  No one, I think, is surprised at his cause of death.  maybe that the truth is coming out so soon, but not the contents of the announcement.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: FreeLancer on October 31, 2019, 03:11:20 PM
“85 year old medical legend”

:rofl:


Fox: We report, you decide....
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Stwood on October 31, 2019, 03:18:27 PM
“85 year old medical legend”

:rofl:


Fox: We report, you decide....

Well...I was gonna earlier.....


 :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on October 31, 2019, 09:26:24 PM
“85 year old medical legend”

:rofl:


Fox: We report, you decide....

Well, he is listed as one of the top ten most famous forensic pathologists in history.  Below is his short bio.  With what do you take exception?

Michael M. Baden, M.D.
Dr. Michael Baden is the former Chief Medical Examiner of New York City and past Co-Director of the New York State Police Medico-Legal Investigations Unit. He received a B.S. Degree from the City College of New York and an M.D. Degree from New York University School of Medicine. He trained in internal medicine and pathology at Bellevue Hospital Medical Center where he was intern, resident and Chief Resident. He has been a medical examiner for forty-five years and has performed more than 20,000 autopsies. He has held professorial teaching appointments at Albert Einstein Medical School, Albany Medical College, New York University School of Medicine, New York Law School and John Jay College of Criminal Justice. He has been a consultant to the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Veteran’s Administration, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearm’s, Drug Enforcement Agency and the United States Department of Justice.

He was Chairman of the Forensic Pathology Panel of the U.S. Congress Select Committee on Assassinations that re-investigated the deaths of President John F. Kennedy and Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. in the 1970s. He was the forensic pathologist member of a team of U.S. forensic scientists asked by the Russian government to examine the newly found remains of Tsar Nicholas II, Alexandra and the Romanov family in Siberia in the 1990s. He has been an expert in multiple Iraq-related court martials in the United States and Camp Liberty, Baghdad. He has also been an expert in the investigations concerning Medgar Evers, John Belushi, Yankee Manager Billy Martin, Marlon Brando’s son Christian Brando, O.J. Simpson, Jayson Williams, Kobe Bryant, Robert Blake, and Las Vegas hotel owner Ted Binion. He has investigated deaths in Poland, Croatia, Serbia, Israel, the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, Monaco, Panama, England, Canada, Zimbabwe and other countries for human rights groups and private attorneys. He has taught homicide courses for police, judges, attorneys and physicians in most of the 50 states as well as in China, Taiwan, Kuwait, Australia, France, Italy, Ecuador, Puerto Rico, Columbia and other countries. He has been a member of the board of directors of a number of drug abuse and alcohol abuse treatment programs where he attempts to apply what he has learned from the dead at the autopsy table to the betterment of the living.

Dr. Baden has also served as President of the Society of Medical Jurisprudence and Vice President of the American Academy of Forensic Science. He was the host of the HBO “Autopsy” series for thirteen years, which demonstrated how the various forensic sciences assist in solving crimes and was a consultant for the “Crossing Jordan” television series. He has been author or co-author of more than 80 professional articles and books on aspects of forensic medicine and two popular non-fiction books “Unnatural Death, Confessions of a Medical Examiner” and “Dead Reckoning, the New Science of Catching Killers.” He is also the author, with his wife, attorney Linda Kenney Baden, of two recent forensic thrillers, “Remains Silent” and “Skeleton Justice.” He is the Forensic Science Contributor for FOX News Channel and is a reviewer for the New England Journal of Medicine.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: FreeLancer on October 31, 2019, 09:51:10 PM
And Rudy Giuliani was one of the great federal prosecutors, putting away mobsters at SDNY.  But that was forty years ago.

Now they're both just a couple of old farts shilling for Fox News, perfectly willing to sell their fading celebrity to the highest bidder.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on October 31, 2019, 10:03:00 PM
LOL.  Being a contributor on the top rated news channel is a disqualification.  ::)
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on November 01, 2019, 06:29:09 AM
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/468445-de-blasio-questions-details-surrounding-jeffrey-epsteins-death?amp (https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/468445-de-blasio-questions-details-surrounding-jeffrey-epsteins-death?amp)
De Blasio questions details surrounding Jeffrey Epstein's death: 'Something doesn't fit here'

New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio (D) on Thursday questioned the details surrounding the death of billionaire financier and convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, saying, "Something doesn't fit here."

"It just doesn't make sense that the highest-profile prisoner in America, you know, someone forgot to guard him," de Blasio told reporters, Politico reports. "I want to understand, I think everyone wants to understand, what really happened."

He added: "I just don't know what the nature of the death was. I just know it should never have happened, and we still don't have good answers."

De Blasio's comments come a day after Michael Baden, a forensic pathologist hired by Epstein's brother to look into his death, said on "Fox & Friends" that there was "evidence here of homicide" and calling for further investigation into the incident.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: David in MN on November 02, 2019, 09:21:54 AM
Strange things happen with suicidal people. One guy dies from a cherry picker fall and the next can jump the Golden Gate unscathed. It's hard to guess about a medical report of a guy who was actively trying to hurt himself. I'll admit the circumstances are unbelievably odd but that's all you get from the hard evidence.

I'm a little more disconcerted that politicians are willing to stand up and bloviate about the death but mum's the word on the child rape stuff. I don't really care how he died but the fact that I know that wealthy and connected people who will travel to an island in order to perform sexual acts on underage girls are going to walk free... That one skeeves me out. I assume (and kind of hope) the silence is because the victims are being paid off. If they can't get their day in court hush money may be their recourse of last resort.

I don't know how the media and a few politicians turned a massive scandal with a literal pedophile island into one scumbag dying in jail. We're not even paying attention to the real story which the FBI could crack in seconds.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on November 02, 2019, 12:49:15 PM
I'm a little more disconcerted that politicians are willing to stand up and bloviate about the death but mum's the word on the child rape stuff.

But that is the whole point.  The assumption of suicide stopped the investigation.  Essentially they say there is no criminal to pursue charges against. . If it was ruled a possible homicide the investigation would be continued as there would be a criminal to pursue.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on November 03, 2019, 08:52:23 AM
Funniest thing I've seen in years.

https://twitter.com/JFNYC1/status/1190795739070382081 (https://twitter.com/JFNYC1/status/1190795739070382081)
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Docwatmo on November 03, 2019, 10:04:39 AM
Funniest thing I've seen in years.

https://twitter.com/JFNYC1/status/1190795739070382081 (https://twitter.com/JFNYC1/status/1190795739070382081)

That was perfect. LMAO
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on November 04, 2019, 06:36:08 PM
Oh my.

(http://libertyassociate.com/survival_podcast/Epste.png)
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on November 04, 2019, 06:43:14 PM
Sometimes I love this timeline.

https://summit.news/2019/11/04/alex-jones-invades-hillary-clinton-rally-in-armored-vehicle (https://summit.news/2019/11/04/alex-jones-invades-hillary-clinton-rally-in-armored-vehicle)
Alex Jones Invades Hillary Clinton Rally in Armored Vehicle, Shouts “Epstein didn’t kill himself!”
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Stwood on November 04, 2019, 08:24:25 PM

Yes on the oh my............
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: surfivor on November 05, 2019, 02:24:48 AM
Strange things happen with suicidal people. One guy dies from a cherry picker fall and the next can jump the Golden Gate unscathed. It's hard to guess about a medical report of a guy who was actively trying to hurt himself. I'll admit the circumstances are unbelievably odd but that's all you get from the hard evidence.

I'm a little more disconcerted that politicians are willing to stand up and bloviate about the death but mum's the word on the child rape stuff. I don't really care how he died but the fact that I know that wealthy and connected people who will travel to an island in order to perform sexual acts on underage girls are going to walk free... That one skeeves me out. I assume (and kind of hope) the silence is because the victims are being paid off. If they can't get their day in court hush money may be their recourse of last resort.

I don't know how the media and a few politicians turned a massive scandal with a literal pedophile island into one scumbag dying in jail. We're not even paying attention to the real story which the FBI could crack in seconds.


Come on man, the FBI investigates only what they want to or what the people who control  it want investigated. I think people are too afraid of being labeled conspiracy theorists that they can’t see what really happens which there are so many past indications of. Half the time the FBI is probably involved in criminal activity itself. When you are able to pose as law enforcement of the highest order then it’s easy to get away with it. They seize evidence to shut down investations and all manner of things. Epstein himself was used by the FBI itself to blackmail politicians and others. That is the most sensible evaluation of the evidence.

I think there are honest people in the FBI but they are not the ones in charge who are running it. It’s types like clapper, Brenan, comey, McCabe

The mere fact that the whole case has disappeared off the radar shows that there are very powerful people behind it and that they could care less about pedophilia or they promote it just as alex jones has been saying for years and years and what various occult groups, satanists and others are up to
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: surfivor on November 05, 2019, 02:59:33 AM
It also bothers me a bit sometimes to think of libertarian positions such as all government is bad, government can do no good. It’s essentially saying there is no lesser evil when it is clear to me that not everyone in the government supports stuff like pedophilia. Maybe if we could get something to happen maybe some people will go to jail but it wouldn’t happen by saying stuff like whether you vote or not makes no difference or to think that any such political involvement can never accomplish anything
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on November 05, 2019, 06:25:29 AM
It also bothers me a bit sometimes to think of libertarian positions such as all government is bad, government can do no good.

That is not a libertarian position.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on November 05, 2019, 08:38:13 AM
Yes on the oh my............

Oh my, oh my!  David, here is your answer to why you didnt see coverage of the pedaphile story.  The news channels actively suppressed it.

https://youtu.be/3lfwkTsJGYA (https://youtu.be/3lfwkTsJGYA)
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: surfivor on November 05, 2019, 09:46:52 AM
That is not a libertarian position.

Not always far from it and certainly as the anarchism suggests. The only people I hear mocking that voting or that political concerns/activism means anything are some libertarians because as I said the view is that neither party nor anyone running has anything to offer unless maybe they are a Ron Paul. If you see a problem with the deep state however and they would certainly be the ones protecting pedophiles then there is a choice that is opposed to the deep state or whom the deep state is opposed to who is not necessarily a libertarian
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on November 05, 2019, 11:18:32 AM
Not always far from it and certainly as the anarchism suggests. The only people I hear mocking that voting or that political concerns/activism means anything are some libertarians because as I said the view is that neither party nor anyone running has anything to offer unless maybe they are a Ron Paul. If you see a problem with the deep state however and they would certainly be the ones protecting pedophiles then there is a choice that is opposed to the deep state or whom the deep state is opposed to who is not necessarily a libertarian

Way, way far from it.  If libertarians believed "all government is bad, government can do no good." why would they spend millions of dollars on elections running thousands of candidates?  In 2016 the libertarian candidate received 4.5 million votes with a platform of dismantling bad agencies especially the deep state apparatus and enabling agencies which protect rights.  And the LP has the strongest language of any party in protecting the rights of children to be free from abuse and neglect. 
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: David in MN on November 06, 2019, 08:14:12 AM
Oh my, oh my!  David, here is your answer to why you didnt see coverage of the pedaphile story.  The news channels actively suppressed it.

https://youtu.be/3lfwkTsJGYA (https://youtu.be/3lfwkTsJGYA)

And she's not even irritated that children were raped. She's mad she got scooped. ABC quashed Epstien like NBC quashed Weinstein. The most trusted names in news...

I can wrap my head around "I got drunk and kissed the neighbor". Not good but in the realm of things that happen. It's entirely different when you say "I need to take 2 flights and a helicopter ride to bang a kid". You had a lot of time to think through your plan.

But the big story, and I think people are getting it, is the media. They will look the other way for child rape. If we can't go after men who rape underage girls on a private island... Would they clam up if Prince Andrew was hunting people for sport?
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on November 06, 2019, 09:00:38 AM
The desire to interview the royal family and protect the Clintons apparently takes precedent over protecting young girls.  All the while, ABC News president James Goldston was partying with the royals and ABC top political anchor George Stephanopoulos, a former Bill Clinton staffer, was on short list for a Hillary Clinton cabinet position.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/abc-news-jeffrey-epstein-prince-andrew-amy-robach (https://www.foxnews.com/media/abc-news-jeffrey-epstein-prince-andrew-amy-robach)
ABC News buried Prince Andrew’s ties to Jeffrey Epstein after ‘fawning grotesquely’ over royal family: insider

ABC News anchor Amy Robach was caught on a hot mic claiming network honchos killed a story that would have exposed claims that now-deceased sex offender Jeffrey Epstein forced an alleged victim to have sex with Prince Andrew.

While many observers feel Epstein’s ties to the Clintons likely resulted in ABC News refusing to air Robach’s reporting, one network insider thinks it’s more probable the Disney-owned news organization was simply protecting their chance at access with Buckingham Palace and the Duke of York.

“ABC News has been fawning grotesquely over the royal family for years, desperate for an interview with Kate [Middleton] they will never, ever get. All journalism is greatly subordinate,” the ABC News insider told Fox News.
...
ABC News president James Goldston recently dined with members of the royal family, including Prince Charles, according to Page Six. In the leaked footage, Robach complained that ABC would not air her sit down with Giuffre – who has claimed Epstein paid her to have sex with Prince Andrew News president James Goldston recently dined with members of the royal family, including Prince Charles, according to Page Six. In the leaked footage, Robach complained that ABC would not air her sit down with Giuffre – who has claimed Epstein paid her to have sex with Prince Andrew


https://www.foxnews.com/media/abc-news-epstein-clinton-george-stephanopoulos (https://www.foxnews.com/media/abc-news-epstein-clinton-george-stephanopoulos)
ABC News' spiking of Epstein story draws scrutiny toward Clinton ally George Stephanopoulos

The bombshell claim that ABC News "quashed" a story on allegations against Jeffrey Epstein has drawn new scrutiny on the controversy's ties to its own star anchor, George Stephanopoulos.
...
Project Veritas, whose controversial founder, James O'Keefe, has described himself as a "guerrilla journalist," published the footage that featured ABC News anchor Amy Robach claiming the Disney-owned network refused to air an interview she conducted with one of Epstein’s accusers and even suggesting she'd uncovered new information about Epstein's ties to former President Bill Clinton as his wife, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, was running for president.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: David in MN on November 06, 2019, 10:29:25 AM
Maybe I'm doing a Glenn Beck chalkboard thing but this story is rife with this guy who knew that guy who had an affair with that lady and dogwalks with this other dude.

I'm also getting a little tired of seeing Clinton fingerprints on every nutty story. You can have your policy disagreements with them but the Bushes and Obamas are private obscure people who (from what I can tell) just want healthy families. If I said there was an international pedophile ring and brought up Jimmy Carter people would laugh it off. I say the Clintons and it's all believable.

Also gets scary when you start down the affiliate road. ABC... That's Disney. You want to have a talk about how Disney covered up a pedophile ring? That ain't going to sell Frozen 2 tickets. The more this story unravels the more I realize why it has to die a quiet death.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on November 07, 2019, 11:57:55 AM
Oh my.  What a crazy day.  ABC used all its contacts in the intelligence agencies to track down the whistleblower on their Epstein story spike.  They found him at CBS and then got him fired.  Meanwhile they launched an effort to suppress the release of the name of the CIA agent masqurading as a whistleblower who embedded himself in the white house to create a coup (his lawyer's words not mine).  His former boss at the CIA made millions as a fellow board member of the same Ukranian company that paid the Bidens and he worked directly with Biden during trips to Ukraine.  Given thwt background, they then have Trump Jr on the View!  I've got a feeling a producer is going to be fired.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/don-trump-jr-rips-abc-on-the-view-for-hypocrisy-over-firing-their-own-whistleblower (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/don-trump-jr-rips-abc-on-the-view-for-hypocrisy-over-firing-their-own-whistleblower)
Don Trump Jr. rips ABC on The View for hypocrisy over firing their own whistleblower
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Morning Sunshine on November 07, 2019, 12:52:16 PM
Don Trump Jr. rips ABC on The View for hypocrisy over firing their own whistleblower

I think the hypocrisy is what turns me off the most on the media.  They go all crazy when Trump does something, then completely ignore when another media group or a Dem does the same thing.   This Katie Hill is another example - she was having a relationship with a subordinate - and paying her "bonuses" for it.  But because she is a woman with another woman, it is all about the sexuality.  She wants to be treated differently than a man would be for doing the same thing.  (on the other hand, she may be right - Congress has a hush-fund for paying off things like this.  I would totally love it if she were to produce proof that other members of congress are doing the same thing she resigned for doing.)
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: surfivor on November 07, 2019, 01:59:03 PM
I think the hypocrisy is what turns me off the most on the media.  They go all crazy when Trump does something, then completely ignore when another media group or a Dem does the same thing.   This Katie Hill is another example - she was having a relationship with a subordinate - and paying her "bonuses" for it.  But because she is a woman with another woman, it is all about the sexuality.  She wants to be treated differently than a man would be for doing the same thing.  (on the other hand, she may be right - Congress has a hush-fund for paying off things like this.  I would totally love it if she were to produce proof that other members of congress are doing the same thing she resigned for doing.)

 People on the left don't even seem to want to admit that the media is biased and controlled by 5 or 6 corporations. There's all kinds of similar things they won't admit but stick to their particular issues about Trump or whatever it may be. My mother still thinks Trump is the anti christ
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on November 07, 2019, 10:10:18 PM
I'm sure it is just typical government incompetence.  Couldnt possibly be purposeful.

https://nypost.com/2019/11/06/jeffrey-epsteins-brother-says-he-might-have-been-murdered/amp/ (https://nypost.com/2019/11/06/jeffrey-epsteins-brother-says-he-might-have-been-murdered/amp/)
Jeffrey Epstein’s brother says he ‘might have been murdered’

Mark Epstein, 65, told Fox News that New York authorities were “playing games” as he tried to uncover mysterious details that he believed could prove his brother did not hang himself in his Manhattan lockup.

Epstein hired famed pathologist Dr. Michael Baden, who has insisted three bone fractures in Jeffrey’s neck “points toward homicide rather than suicide.”

Now Mark Epstein says he is being blocked from getting further information over other mysterious injuries, including contusions on both wrists, a forearm abrasion and deep muscle hemorrhaging on the left shoulder.

“Those are unexplained,” Epstein told Fox News.

“Was he handcuffed and struggled? Was someone holding his wrists? The marks on his wrist are unexplained,” he insisted.

Epstein claims he first tried to get his brother’s complete file from the New York City Medical Examiner’s office on Aug. 16, less than a week after his brother was found hanged at the Metropolitan Correctional Center.

He told Fox that he was to told to instead contact the Department of Justice — with everyone giving him the runaround.


“They’re playing games,” Mark told Fox News.

“I’ve done the appropriate requests with Justice twice, and have heard nothing. I was told someone is looking into it.”
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on November 07, 2019, 10:21:58 PM
CBS: We must protect whistleblowers at all costs...nevermind.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/cbs-fires-former-abc-staffer-epstein (https://www.foxnews.com/media/cbs-fires-former-abc-staffer-epstein)
CBS fires former ABC staffer who blew whistle on network spiking Epstein accuser interview
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: David in MN on November 08, 2019, 07:33:08 AM
I think the hypocrisy is what turns me off the most on the media.  They go all crazy when Trump does something, then completely ignore when another media group or a Dem does the same thing.   This Katie Hill is another example - she was having a relationship with a subordinate - and paying her "bonuses" for it.  But because she is a woman with another woman, it is all about the sexuality.  She wants to be treated differently than a man would be for doing the same thing.  (on the other hand, she may be right - Congress has a hush-fund for paying off things like this.  I would totally love it if she were to produce proof that other members of congress are doing the same thing she resigned for doing.)

It is quite something that this story comes up and Bill Clinton can duck it. He's the guy who likes to smoke cigars that his youthful intern has inserted in her vagina. Sorry for the vulgarity but that's what came out in court. He has a history here.

Maybe that's why I am so fired up about this. It's not some embarrassing sexual escapade where they did a kinky role play or took the Mrs. to a strip club. Don't forget every last one of these guys had the resources to go to Amsterdam and go on a drug bender while being fawned over by prostitutes and it would be above board. But they just needed the kids. That does get under my skin.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on November 08, 2019, 08:39:30 AM
Uh oh.  The Empire may have struck back but now we have Return of the Jedi.  Got the feeling Palpatine at ABC is going down.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/megyn-kelly-teases-interview-with-abc-news-epstein-whistleblower (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/megyn-kelly-teases-interview-with-abc-news-epstein-whistleblower)
Megyn Kelly teases interview with ABC News Epstein whistleblower

Journalist Megyn Kelly teased an interview with the woman who leaked a video of an ABC News reporter discussing how the network shut down her story about a Jeffrey Epstein accuser.

Kelly, who is reentering the limelight after being fired from NBC last year, posted a short clip on Instagram Friday morning, saying she would be posting the interview later in the day.

On Tuesday, Project Veritas released a video of Amy Robach discussing the information she received years earlier from Epstein accuser Virginia Roberts Giuffre on a hot mic. The reporter can be heard expressing her frustration surrounding ABC News's refusal to air the interview and claimed that the network made the decision after receiving threats from Buckingham Palace after they had found out Prince Andrew was implicated in the story. She also alleged that Epstein may have been murdered.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: David in MN on November 08, 2019, 09:36:18 AM
A little bothersome that the hot mic footage includes the knowledge that the royal family can control the ABC newsroom and then ABC can have a CBS employee (one would assume a competitor) fired for the leak.

Hard not to look at the media as an incestuous cabal eager to hide rape stories under the control of a foreign sovereign.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on November 08, 2019, 10:09:53 AM
Hard not to look at the media as an incestuous cabal eager to hide rape stories under the control of a foreign sovereign.

Susan Zirinsky, current president of CBS, was the CBS white house correspondent during the Clinton years and her big break was covering the royal weddings. She even was the senior executive producer for the recent Princess Di retrospective: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7073764/fullcredits/ (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7073764/fullcredits/).  One of her first actions as CBS president was to hire Hillary Clinton's campaign manager, Robby Mook, as a contributor.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on November 08, 2019, 01:00:27 PM
Ironic.

https://www.cbspressexpress.com/cbs-entertainment/shows/whistleblower/bios?id=susan-zirinsky (https://www.cbspressexpress.com/cbs-entertainment/shows/whistleblower/bios?id=susan-zirinsky)
Susan Zirinsky
Senior Executive Producer, WHISTLEBLOWER, 48 HOURS


Zirinsky serves as the senior executive producer for breaking news specials for CBS News, such as “39 Days,” looking at the movement that formed after the Parkland, Fla., school shooting, and those done in the aftermath of the Dallas police shootings;...the movie theater shooting in Aurora, Colo.; the elementary school shooting in Newtown, Conn.
...
Also, she was the senior executive producer for “Meghan Markle: American Princess” and the two-hour primetime special “Royal Romance: The Marriage of Prince Harry and Meghan Markle.”
...
in 1996, she was executive producer of “Campaign ‘96” (1995-1996), managing the daily operations of CBS News’ election-year political coverage,
...
Zirinsky was the executive producer of the critically acclaimed SHOWTIME documentary “The Spymasters – CIA in the Crosshairs,” which featured the only interviews with all 12 of the living former and current heads of the CIA.
...
Zirinsky has produced such primetime specials as “The Royal Wedding: Modern Majesty,”...“Ted Kennedy: The Last Brother,” “Change and Challenge: The Inauguration of Barack Obama”
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on November 08, 2019, 01:43:55 PM
Holy cow, they didnt get the actual Epstein whistleblower!  CBS fired an innocent woman. Her "crime" was saving the clip in the ABC internal system.  Someone else, probably still at ABC, leaked it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87PVEXMN5qE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87PVEXMN5qE)
The MK Interview: Megyn sits down with Ashley Bianco who was fired by CBS
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Morning Sunshine on November 08, 2019, 03:45:57 PM
Holy cow, they didnt get the actual Epstein whistleblower!  CBS fired an innocent woman. Her "crime" was saving the clip in the ABC internal system.  Someone else, probably still at ABC, leaked it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87PVEXMN5qE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87PVEXMN5qE)
The MK Interview: Megyn sits down with Ashley Bianco who was fired by CBS

wo-ow
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: surfivor on November 08, 2019, 03:49:49 PM
A little bothersome that the hot mic footage includes the knowledge that the royal family can control the ABC newsroom and then ABC can have a CBS employee (one would assume a competitor) fired for the leak.

Hard not to look at the media as an incestuous cabal eager to hide rape stories under the control of a foreign sovereign.

I have to give myself credit and various conspiracy sources because it has always seemed clear that the royal family has real political power and tremendous wealth but no one covers it and no one seems to believe it
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on November 08, 2019, 07:35:29 PM
Holey moley.  The actual leaker speaks out with cutting words as "innocent people that have absolutely nothing to do with this are being hunted down as if we are all a sport" by ABC, CBS, and the intelligence community.

https://www.projectveritas.com/2019/11/08/abc-insider-why-i-alone-released-the-amy-robach-epstein-tape/ (https://www.projectveritas.com/2019/11/08/abc-insider-why-i-alone-released-the-amy-robach-epstein-tape/)
ABC Insider: Why I, alone, released the Amy Robach Epstein tape.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on November 09, 2019, 08:12:51 AM
They are totally freaking out.

https://amp.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/nov/6/abc-news-hunts-project-veritas-leaker-identity/ (https://amp.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/nov/6/abc-news-hunts-project-veritas-leaker-identity/)
ABC News 'pursuing all avenues' to find 'insider' who leaked explosive video to Project Veritas
Anchor Amy Robach blasted network for sitting on Jeffrey Epstein story in leaked video


Project Veritas president James O’Keefe has said that the “ABC insider” still works at the network, and tweeted Wednesday that “sources are giving us more insider tape within @ABC.”
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Stwood on November 09, 2019, 08:29:39 AM
 8)

Hope he/she/it can reveal everything that's damaging to that network.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: scoop on November 09, 2019, 11:50:00 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mITs0_SlCQc&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: scoop on November 09, 2019, 11:53:31 AM
(https://i.redd.it/93kt1btgoax31.png)
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: LvsChant on November 09, 2019, 12:59:37 PM
need air force and army versions... haha
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on November 10, 2019, 08:01:46 AM
Uh oh, breaking news. Terry Bean, Portland, Oregan investment mogul and political activist, was arrested for paying off a witness about to testify on youth sex trafficking among prominant political figures.  Bean founded the Human Rights Campaign (which pushes to add P to LGBT) and was the most prominant member of the DNC in support of Clinton's and Obama's nomination campaigns.  He along with Epstein and Ed Buck were members of what is now called "The Democratic Donors' Sex-Creep Club".  Wonder if he will live out the month.

Background:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/07/10/epstein_bean__buck_the_democratic_donors_sex-creep_club_140747.html (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/07/10/epstein_bean__buck_the_democratic_donors_sex-creep_club_140747.html)
Epstein, Bean & Buck: The Democratic Donors' Sex-Creep Club

Like Epstein, Bean had a penchant for rubbing elbows and riding on planes with the powerful. Upon doling out more than $500,000 for President Barack Obama and the Democrats in 2012, he was rewarded with a much-publicized exclusive Air Force One ride with Obama. His Flickr account boasted glitzy pics with Michelle Obama and Bill Clinton.

Like Epstein, Bean also had a thing for young minors. In 2014, a grand jury charged him with horrifying sexual abuse allegations involving multiple victims -- including a 15-year-old boy. After a sweeping investigation led by the Portland police department's sex crime units and two county district attorney's offices, authorities charged Bean with two felony counts of third-degree sodomy and one misdemeanor count of third-degree sex abuse.
...
Bean wriggled out of prosecution by publicly dangling $220,000 a cash "compromise" with the alleged victim, who then suddenly refused to testify against him. A judge in the county where the politically influential Bean family reigned, promptly dismissed the charges.


Here he is at a party in the 1980s in San Francisco with "best friends" Bill and Hillary Clinton and porn industry mogul Chuck Holmes:

(https://s.hdnux.com/photos/37/15/54/8182556/3/gallery_medium.jpg)

Story:

https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2019/10/prominent-portland-attorney-derek-ashton-arrested-and-booked-into-jail.html (https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2019/10/prominent-portland-attorney-derek-ashton-arrested-and-booked-into-jail.html)
Portland developer Terry Bean and his former attorney Derek Ashton arrested in alleged witness payoff

Portland real estate developer Terry Bean was arrested Wednesday afternoon on an accusation that he committed a felony computer crime by allegedly paying off a teenager who had been set to testify against him in a sex abuse case.

Bean’s arrest followed the arrest earlier Wednesday of his former criminal defense attorney, Derek Ashton, on an identical computer crime charge. The prosecution has said in court documents that Ashton carried out the deed for Bean.


(https://www.oregonlive.com/resizer/X6Qo1U74_z5D6FsntYLW3JdRKaI=/700x0/smart/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-advancelocal.s3.amazonaws.com/public/KMA4ISYMZ5C2DBAGW5FJFAEJOE.png)
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Stwood on November 10, 2019, 08:30:22 AM
His hanging should go better. They've probably learned after botching Jefferys
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on November 10, 2019, 10:26:45 AM
Great summary by Fox:

https://video.foxnews.com/v/6102217206001/#sp=show-clips (https://video.foxnews.com/v/6102217206001/#sp=show-clips)
Protecting pedophiles for politics

Nov. 09, 2019 - 7:13 - The media have blacked out the Jeffrey Epstein story, but we're not going to let them get away with it.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Mr. Bill on November 10, 2019, 09:44:58 PM
...the Human Rights Campaign (which pushes to add P to LGBT)...

10 min with Google only finds the opposite.  Their founder may be crap, but I can't find anything pro-pedophile about the organization.  Got a link?
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on November 11, 2019, 09:00:28 AM
10 min with Google only finds the opposite.  Their founder may be crap, but I can't find anything pro-pedophile about the organization.  Got a link?

Interesting, all mention of Terry Bean, Larry Brinkin,  Harry Hay and their age of consent lobbying have been purged from their site, wikipedia, etc.  Even the HRC fundraising videos of Obama thanking Terry Bean are missing now and only the CSPAN video remains: https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4515961/user-clip-obama-terry-bean (https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4515961/user-clip-obama-terry-bean).  They also seem to have purged all mention of former Seatle Mayor Ed Murray, who was one of the the few people they ever endorsed locally: http://blogs.seattletimes.com/politicsnorthwest/2013/02/28/murray-picks-up-endorsement-from-national-human-rights-group/ (http://blogs.seattletimes.com/politicsnorthwest/2013/02/28/murray-picks-up-endorsement-from-national-human-rights-group/). He was forced to resign after his history of abusing kids and involvement in pedophile ring was publicly disclosed: https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/seattle-mayor-ed-murray-resigns-after-fifth-child-sex-abuse-allegation/ (https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/seattle-mayor-ed-murray-resigns-after-fifth-child-sex-abuse-allegation/)

On the fun side, on youtube there is a video of Terry Bean dancing with Nancy Pelosi at Barney Frank's weddng: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-yLv12evk8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-yLv12evk8).  She is actually pretty good! 

Maybe the HRC has turned over a new leaf, at least publicly?  For the kids' sake I hope so.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Docwatmo on November 11, 2019, 09:29:16 AM
Would the "Wayback Machine" help find the old versions?  Would be worth checking to verify the website changes.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on November 11, 2019, 11:05:20 AM
Would the "Wayback Machine" help find the old versions?  Would be worth checking to verify the website changes.

Good idea.  I did quick look at wikipedia page and they definitely yanked Terry Bean references including his HRC legacy award.  He is being erased.  It looks like Bloomberg also got pulled.  Maybe he is distancing himself from them given presidential run.

Here is the current page:

(http://libertyassociate.com/survival_podcast/wiki1.png)

Here is how it used to be (note deleted Terry Bean award):

(http://libertyassociate.com/survival_podcast/wiki2.png)

It may take a while to locate the age of consent laws stuff as I dont have links.  Only thing currently left on HRC site is expanding Romeo and Juliet laws.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Stwood on November 11, 2019, 11:31:46 AM
So someone is cleaning web content..
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on November 11, 2019, 02:42:53 PM
Epstein case shows we are now living inthe age of real time revisionism.  To CNN Epstein doesnt exist. 

https://www.foxnews.com/media/cnn-stelter-jeffrey-epstein-abc (https://www.foxnews.com/media/cnn-stelter-jeffrey-epstein-abc)
CNN’s Brian Stelter ignores ABC News’ Jeffrey Epstein scandal on ‘Reliable Sources’ media show

CNN’s “Reliable Sources” media show on Sunday ignored the scandalous hot mic tape of ABC News anchor Amy Robach admitting her network refused to air damning reporting about now-deceased sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.

CNN senior media correspondent Brian Stelter has raised eyebrows this week by giving little attention to the story surrounding Epstein, in which an ABC News staffer apparently leaked the explosive video to controversial Project Veritas -- a group that has been critical of CNN. The story is widely regarded as one of the biggest media stories in recent memory, but it appears that CNN isn’t interested in informing its viewers.

CNN advertises Stelter’s “Reliable Sources" as a show that “examines the media world, telling the story behind the story” and that reveals “how the news gets made.”


Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on November 12, 2019, 09:56:11 PM
Epstein who?  Never heard of the guy.  But that Ignotus is pure evil incarnate and must be stopped!

https://pagesix.com/2019/11/12/abc-scrambles-to-figure-out-identity-of-amy-robach-leaker-who-goes-by-ignotus/amp (https://pagesix.com/2019/11/12/abc-scrambles-to-figure-out-identity-of-amy-robach-leaker-who-goes-by-ignotus/amp)
ABC scrambles to figure out identity of Amy Robach leaker, who goes by ‘Ignotus’

An ABC insider said top execs were particularly puzzled by Ignotus. He is possibly best known as a Harry Potter character, a pure-blood wizard who has a cloak of invisibility, passed through generations, finally to Harry Potter. Ignotus also means “unknown” in Latin.

The ABC insider said, “They are freaking out over the Harry Potter reference. Does this mean the leaker is a Potter fan, likely one of the younger staff members who work the overnight shift?”
...
The source added ABC investigators have been rifling through staff emails, news logs and grilling staffers. The company has been isolating certain employees and putting them under pressure to turn on their colleagues in a bid to find the culprit, the source also claimed, adding the investigation reports back up to the very highest levels at HR at ABC’s parent company Disney.


https://www.foxnews.com/media/abc-news-epstein-robach.amp (https://www.foxnews.com/media/abc-news-epstein-robach.amp)
Media blackout of ABC News' Epstein story spike hits one week despite shocking developments

It has been one week since the damning video of an ABC News anchor suggesting that the Disney-owned network killed her story on billionaire pedophile Jeffrey Epstein emerged, but those who only consume news from CNN, MSNBC, NBC News, CBS News, and ABC News have been completely in the dark, as none of them offered any coverage of the developing story.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on November 12, 2019, 10:40:58 PM
So someone is cleaning web content..

Some serious cleaning.  There are so many broken links it is unbelievable.  But some seem to still be available like this gushing press release on Kevin Jennings:

https://web.archive.org/web/20191113051608/https://www.hrc.org/press/hrc-statement-on-appointment-of-kevin-jennings-as-arcus-foundation-executiv (https://web.archive.org/web/20191113051608/https://www.hrc.org/press/hrc-statement-on-appointment-of-kevin-jennings-as-arcus-foundation-executiv)
HRC Statement on Appointment of Kevin Jennings as Arcus Foundation Executive Director

Human Rights Campaign President Chad Griffin issued the following statement today regarding the appointment of Kevin Jennings as Executive Director of the Arcus Foundation:

“Jon Stryker and the Arcus Foundation board of directors have chosen a skilled and accomplished leader in Kevin Jennings. Kevin is a proven leader who provides vision and strategy to making real change in the lives of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people.  As an educator, he identified a need to address LGBT issues in schools and turned that dream into a reality with GLSEN.  His work was rightly recognized as pioneering and he continued to serve through his appointment to the Department of Education.


What kind of advice was he giving these youth?

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/sep/28/at-the-presidents-pleasure/ (https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/sep/28/at-the-presidents-pleasure/)
EDITORIAL: At the president's pleasure

A teacher was told by a 15-year-old high school sophomore that he was having homosexual sex with an “older man.” At the very least, statutory rape occurred. Fox News reported that the teacher violated a state law requiring that he report the abuse. That former teacher, Kevin Jennings, is President Obama’s “safe school czar.” It’s getting hard to keep track of all of this president’s problematic appointments. Clearly, the process for vetting White House employees has broken down.

In this one case in which Mr. Jennings had a real chance to protect a young boy from a sexual predator, he not only failed to do what the law required but actually encouraged the relationship.

According to Mr. Jennings’ own description in a new audiotape discovered by Fox News, the 15-year-old boy met the “older man” in a “bus station bathroom” and was taken to the older man’s home that night. When some details about the case became public, Mr. Jennings threatened to sue another teacher who called his failure to report the statutory rape “unethical.”


His defense was that while he regretted the advice, the boy was 16 or near 16 which makes it ok under some states' age of consent laws.  Note, his HRC appointment came after this news broke and he had resigned from his white house position.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on November 13, 2019, 08:35:23 AM
Another of the "vanished" is Harold “HL” Moody, Jr.  He was the spokesperson for the Arkansas Democratic party and heavily involved in Hillary Clinton's campaign. 

(https://www.coreysdigs.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Harold-Moody-Hillary-Clinton.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DrusgDtWsAE5hNr.jpg)

He was friends with HRC leadership and viewed as an up and coming star.  Here is an archived interview he did with the Arkansas Times:

https://archive.md/ZZLMi (https://archive.md/ZZLMi)
Q&A with H.L. Moody
The Democratic Party spokesman on the election talks local and national politics.


And I'm also good friends with Chad Griffin, who's president of the Human Rights Campaign and a really great role model for young out gay men from Arkansas. I don't think I was plowing a lot of new ground. Now I might have put my own mark on things as I went by, but other people walked that path before me.

But then he vanished after this:

https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2018/nov/10/political-adviser-indicted-on-child-por/ (https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2018/nov/10/political-adviser-indicted-on-child-por/)
Arkansas political adviser indicted on child porn

A formal grand jury indictment was filed Friday in federal court in Little Rock charging Arkansas political consultant Harold "H.L." Moody Jr. with six child pornography charges.

Moody, 37, was arrested Monday night on a criminal complaint that was filed Nov. 2 and unsealed Tuesday.


(https://media.arkansasonline.com/img/photos/2018/11/06/Screen_Shot_2018-11-06_at_12.07.34_PM_t800.png?90232451fbcadccc64a17de7521d859a8f88077d)
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on November 13, 2019, 09:28:49 AM
I have nostalgia for the days when news reporters covered real stories:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLnd-OYClTM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLnd-OYClTM)

Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: DDJ on November 13, 2019, 10:26:32 AM
Gone are the days of Politicians fearing the press would find a small scandal now they just erase the whole thing and where the News agencies competed for stories and love3d to get the edge by finding dirt on a story of their competitor.

The history books are now being rewritten before there is a winner. 
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on November 14, 2019, 09:19:59 AM
Even in California this will be an instant "sold out".

https://nypost.com/2019/11/08/epstein-didnt-kill-himself-printed-on-california-brewerys-beer-cans/amp/ (https://nypost.com/2019/11/08/epstein-didnt-kill-himself-printed-on-california-brewerys-beer-cans/amp/)
‘Epstein Didn’t Kill Himself’ printed on California brewery’s beer cans

A California beer maker is selling a special, limited batch with “EPSTEIN DIDN’T KILL HIMSELF” printed on the bottom of its cans.

Tactical Ops Brewing started printing the special message Wednesday on the blue cans for the Freso-based firm’s Basher Oatmeal Stout.

Manager Carlos Tovar told Fox 26 that he got the idea about a week ago — which would have been when famed pathologist Dr. Michael Baden made international headlines by insisting Epstein’s autopsy “points toward homicide rather than suicide.”
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on November 15, 2019, 11:56:21 AM
Democratic Senate candidate speaks out:  Watch video to end...refreshing change.

https://twitter.com/ShouseHal/status/1193661689717252097?s=09 (https://twitter.com/ShouseHal/status/1193661689717252097?s=09)
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on November 15, 2019, 09:02:58 PM
DOJ admits "serious irregularities" at the jail and vows to prosecute those who "helped Epstein."  Note the obvious double entendre.

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/11/15/epstein-jail-guards-had-been-offered-plea-deal-ap-sources-say.html (https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/11/15/epstein-jail-guards-had-been-offered-plea-deal-ap-sources-say.html)
Epstein jail guards had been offered, reject plea deal

Federal prosecutors offered a plea deal to two correctional officers responsible for guarding Jeffrey Epstein on the night of his death, but the officers have declined the offer
...
The city's medical examiner ruled Epstein's death a suicide.
...
As part of the proposed plea deal, prosecutors wanted the guards to admit they falsified the prison records, according to the people familiar with the matter.
...
The Justice Department has vowed to aggressively investigate and bring charges against anyone who may have helped Epstein. Federal prosecutors investigating the financier's death subpoenaed up to 20 staff members at the jail in August.
...
Attorney General William Barr — who has said investigators found "serious irregularities" at the jail — said the FBI's investigation had been slowed because some witnesses had been uncooperative.
...
the warden at the Metropolitan Correctional Center had also been reassigned to a desk post at a regional office.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on November 17, 2019, 07:37:10 PM
Wow.  What a letter.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/house-minority-leader-demands-answers-from-abc-news-on-epstein-story-megyn-kelly-says (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/house-minority-leader-demands-answers-from-abc-news-on-epstein-story-megyn-kelly-says)
House minority leader demands answers from ABC News on Epstein story

Megyn Kelly revealed that House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy sent a letter to ABC News President James Goldston demanding answers for why the network did not run a report from a Jeffrey Epstein accuser. Kelly broke the news on her social media accounts on Sunday evening.

Earlier this month, Project Veritas released a video of ABC News reporter Amy Robach discussing the information she received years earlier from Epstein accuser Virginia Roberts Giuffre on a hot mic. The reporter can be heard expressing her frustration surrounding ABC News's refusal to air the interview and claimed that the network made the decision after receiving threats from Buckingham Palace when they had found out Prince Andrew was implicated in the story. She also alleged that Epstein might have been murdered.


Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: David in MN on November 18, 2019, 07:46:50 AM
Wow.  What a letter.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/house-minority-leader-demands-answers-from-abc-news-on-epstein-story-megyn-kelly-says (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/house-minority-leader-demands-answers-from-abc-news-on-epstein-story-megyn-kelly-says)
House minority leader demands answers from ABC News on Epstein story

Megyn Kelly revealed that House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy sent a letter to ABC News President James Goldston demanding answers for why the network did not run a report from a Jeffrey Epstein accuser. Kelly broke the news on her social media accounts on Sunday evening.

Earlier this month, Project Veritas released a video of ABC News reporter Amy Robach discussing the information she received years earlier from Epstein accuser Virginia Roberts Giuffre on a hot mic. The reporter can be heard expressing her frustration surrounding ABC News's refusal to air the interview and claimed that the network made the decision after receiving threats from Buckingham Palace when they had found out Prince Andrew was implicated in the story. She also alleged that Epstein might have been murdered.


Yeah but we kinda already know. ABC works at the behest of the English Crown and can have a CBS employee fired. The only remaining question is the motivation. Did ABC prefer to have children raped so they could find out what dress the English princesses wear for tea or let them be raped to aid the Clinton campaign? Both were hinted at in the leak. I'll admit the latter may have legal consequences but either way their credibility is gone. There is no positive spin on "we killed a story about trafficked child sex slaves because it might offend the wrong people".
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on November 18, 2019, 08:02:13 AM
So unverified rumors are the guards are being offered immunity from prosecution and their salary for life if they take a plea deal and make statement that Epstein was able to kill himself because of their actions.  Yet they still refuse.  If it goes to trial they will be able to demand all evidence including the cameras and video files.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/11/16/us/jeffrey-epstein-federal-worker-plea-deal/index.html (https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/11/16/us/jeffrey-epstein-federal-worker-plea-deal/index.html)
A prison worker on duty at the time of Jeffrey Epstein's death was offered a plea deal, sources say

At least one federal prison worker on duty the night before Jeffrey Epstein was found dead in his prison cell was offered a plea deal in connection with the multimillionaire's death, two sources familiar with the case said.

Plea deal negotiations between prosecutors and attorneys indicate forthcoming charges by the Department of Justice relating to Epstein's death.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Docwatmo on November 18, 2019, 09:10:53 AM
I just wonder.  At this point in time. Is there anyone left who actually believes Epstein killed himself?  That a dozen "Coincidences" just happened to coincide to prevent anyone from witnessing what really happened? 
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on November 18, 2019, 10:50:22 AM
I just wonder.  At this point in time. Is there anyone left who actually believes Epstein killed himself?  That a dozen "Coincidences" just happened to coincide to prevent anyone from witnessing what really happened?

Last big poll I saw had it at 12% killed himself, 84% murdered, and 4% undecided/no answer.  But that was a few weeks ago and the news outlets have shut down asking the question.  Net, there are probably still tens of millions in US who believe he killed himself (or like Amy Robach are pressured to lie about their real belief).  Funny thing is many of those have ellaborate theories of how Epstein conspired to get others to help him commit suicide.  So it can legitimately be called a conspiracy theory.  :tinfoily:
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: David in MN on November 18, 2019, 05:09:25 PM
Lady Campbell defends Andrew.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/lady-colin-campbell-defends-prince-andrew-soliciting-sex-paedophilia-110412505.html

So a guy in his 60s paying for sex with a 14 year old isn't gross?

Heaven help us if those of us who have dealt with child molestation solve this.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on November 18, 2019, 05:41:34 PM
Lady Campbell defends Andrew.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/lady-colin-campbell-defends-prince-andrew-soliciting-sex-paedophilia-110412505.html

 :wtf:
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: David in MN on November 19, 2019, 05:58:30 AM
The royal family will defend any actions of the royal family. She actually thought that claiming that going to a private island to have sex with a 14 year old is the same as hiring a legal prostitute in Amsterdam would make sense.

This case is producing a laundry list of people who need to go.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on November 19, 2019, 07:49:31 AM
It will be very interesting to watch. They desperately need some fall guys to boost their story.  But what happens if they say "Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself" in the trial?

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/19/nyregion/epstein-prison-guards-arrested.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/19/nyregion/epstein-prison-guards-arrested.html)
Jeffrey Epstein Suicide: Two Jail Workers Arrested
They were to be charged related to their failure to check on him.

Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Docwatmo on November 19, 2019, 09:51:27 AM
I foresee some more "Accidental" deaths in the future.  Purely coincidental. 
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on November 19, 2019, 01:18:05 PM
John Kennedy: "Christmas ornaments, drywall, and..."

https://youtu.be/UhFlUE1LogU (https://youtu.be/UhFlUE1LogU)
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: FreeLancer on November 22, 2019, 09:45:28 AM
Fox News:  AG Barr says Jeffrey Epstein death was result of 'perfect storm of screw ups' (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/attorney-general-barr-says-jeffrey-epstein-death-was-result-of-perfect-storm-of-screw-ups)

Quote
In August, following Epstein’s death, Barr vowed a comprehensive probe by the FBI and Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz, amid disturbing revelations from lawyers and others who said failings at the prison had been ignored for years. Now, months into an investigation, Barr says federal investigators have realized there were a “series” of mistakes made that gave Epstein the chance to take his own life.

“I can understand people who immediately, whose minds went to sort of the worst-case scenario because it was a perfect storm of screw-ups,” Barr said.

Quote
Meanwhile, Barr, on Thursday, also sought to tamp down the conspiracy theories surrounding Epstein’s death, with many people questioning whether Epstein really took his own life.

Barr told the Associated Press that the evidence proves that his death was, in fact, by suicide, adding that he personally reviewed security footage that confirmed that no one entered the area where Epstein was housed the night he died.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on November 22, 2019, 09:59:25 AM
Fox News:  AG Barr says Jeffrey Epstein death was result of 'perfect storm of screw ups' (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/attorney-general-barr-says-jeffrey-epstein-death-was-result-of-perfect-storm-of-screw-ups)

This only makes it worst.  What they have from camera outside cell block is video of the "gaurd" locking down the cell block for hours so that no one can go in.  The camera in the cell block is disabled.  Epstein is locked in a cell by himself against policy.  His former cell mate who tried to kill him earlier was never transfered to another block and was in fact placed in the.cell next to him.  This is the corrupt cop who was a hitman for the drug cartels and was routinely found with phones in his cell.  See article earlier in the thread above.

That sure is a "perfect storm" but not many are buying that these were just innocent screw ups.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on November 23, 2019, 07:24:04 AM
This wouldnt have happened if people would have just rolled over and accepted Epstein's death as a suicide.  It just would have been brushed under the rug. 

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/11/22/jeffrey-epstein-scandal-prince-andrew-kicked-out-of-buckingham-palace.html (https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/11/22/jeffrey-epstein-scandal-prince-andrew-kicked-out-of-buckingham-palace.html)
Jeffrey Epstein scandal: Prince Andrew booted from Buckingham Palace, report says

Prince Andrew has been ordered to move his private office out of Britain's Buckingham Palace, amid continuing fallout over his former friendship with the deceased sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.

Andrew's mother, Queen Elizabeth II, authorized his eviction from the palace in London, in what is just "the latest humiliation for the beleaguered" Duke of York, The Times of London revealed.

Epstein, a former friend of Presidents Donald Trump and Bill Clinton, died in jail from what authorities have rule a suicide while awaiting child sex trafficking charges.
...
"It has become clear to me over the last few days that the circumstances relating to my former association with Jeffrey Epstein has become a major disruption to my family's work and the valuable work going on in the many organisations and charities that I am proud to support," Andrew said in a statement Wednesday.

Andrew, 59, has served as a patron for more than 200 charities.

In his statement Wednesday, Andrew said "I continue to unequivocally regret my ill-judged association with Jeffrey Epstein."

The prince also said, "I am willing to help any appropriate law enforcement agency with their investigations, if required."
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on November 23, 2019, 10:30:59 AM
Feds, ABC, and CNN: Trust us, would we ever lie or cover up evidence?

Family, victims, and most everyone else: Release all the tapes and records and remove all the gag orders so we can see for ourselves.

Feds, ABC, and CNN: You will just have to trust us.

https://apnews.com/a1ef16a612bd4130a18479c01bd72586 (https://apnews.com/a1ef16a612bd4130a18479c01bd72586)
Feds fight back as Epstein death conspiracy theories swirl

Democrats and Republicans — and even Epstein’s family and his alleged victims — were united in skepticism that Epstein could have taken his own life a month after his arrest on sex trafficking charges.

At a news conference Thursday, lawyer Gloria Allred, who represents several woman who say they were sexually abused by Epstein, said there remains quite a few “suspicious circumstances surrounding his death.” Dr. Michael Baden, the forensic pathologist hired by Epstein’s family to observe his autopsy, also remained incredulous, saying he wanted to hear from the guards before deciding whether it was suicide or homicide.

Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: David in MN on November 23, 2019, 11:07:08 AM
Good to see the crown turn on Andrew. Queen Elizabeth II can forgive Harry for dressing as the Nazis she fought but whatever Andrew did was far worse. Telling.

Let's get the rest talking. At least one witness said she saw Bill Clinton on the island. Les Wexner of L Brands (parent of Victoria's Secret which oddly just ditched its pornographic fashion show) was on the island. Former Israeli PM Ehud Barak admitted to going there. Alan Dershowitz is at least implicated.

If we really want to get off the rails we can recall Pizzagate where creepy stuff was shared at #carisjames. The Caribbean Island of Little St. James? I wouldn't want to include those Podestas who just enjoy artwork of children being tortured.

This is starting to leak and bleed all over the place. Good. If I can dig this stuff up and Liberty can find it there will be more. He did not build the island with a house that only locked from the outside for himself. There are legion and we need dig them out. This isn't consenting adult stuff.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: David in MN on December 05, 2019, 09:26:44 AM
The crown must know something about Andrew. They're openly talking of denying his engaged daughter a state wedding. There is a "dead to rights" feel here.

Crown Princess Mette-Marit of Norway also bubbled up as a person of interest who related that while she spent time with Epstein she had no idea he was involved in child sex trafficking. Of course she met with him between 2011 and 2013; after he pleaded guilty to such crimes the first time in 2008 so her explanation is holding little water with me.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Stwood on December 05, 2019, 04:07:50 PM
Hearing rumblings that one of his high profile bankers has hung himself, around thanksgiving time.
I'll see if I can find the info link again.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: David in MN on December 06, 2019, 07:59:05 AM
Hearing rumblings that one of his high profile bankers has hung himself, around thanksgiving time.
I'll see if I can find the info link again.

I believe you are referring to Thomas Bowers who was Epstein's personal banker at Deutsche Bank. He died of an apparrant suicide and it has led to questions of whether finance rules were bent for Epstein. Speculation but no hard evidence. I'd link to a news story but (like much of this broader issue) it's really only been covered by non-mainstream and usually overtly right wing sources.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Stwood on December 06, 2019, 08:16:39 AM
Yes, that was the bankers name
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Redman on December 06, 2019, 08:26:52 AM
Yes, that was the bankers name

There is a link at WOO if that is the one you are thinking of.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Stwood on December 06, 2019, 08:35:43 AM
Thats it. I'm lazy today.  ;D
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: FreeLancer on December 06, 2019, 09:10:18 AM
Why does Deutsche Bank pop up in practically every scandal these days?
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: David in MN on December 06, 2019, 09:34:57 AM
Why does Deutsche Bank pop up in practically every scandal these days?

The short answer is that they have some solvency issues and are actually in process of layoffs as they need liquidity to keep their bond yields low. If there was a bank in a position to do some shady stuff to pad the books it would be Deutsche.

I did kind of rack my brain for what the bank could have done vis-a-vis Epstein. I mean the guy had money and played the role of "financier" so having a fluid margin account wouldn't seem unusual. That's stuff that even I do. Nothing really special. Perhaps the bank had a paper trail of transactions that implicated people or had allowed for illegal "over-margin" leverage. Maybe they did the HSBC thing and laundered dirty money. I can't believe this is worth suicide, though. Seems like a slap on the wrist unless the banker was somehow involved or acted with knowledge.

It's all speculation at this point. Laws get weird with international banking so maybe something will come out.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Stwood on December 06, 2019, 02:46:43 PM
I'm wondering why a big shot banker would consider suicide.
Makes good money. Fancy cars. Meets big time people.......has connections
Just doesn't seem right
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: David in MN on December 06, 2019, 04:02:56 PM
I'm wondering why a big shot banker would consider suicide.
Makes good money. Fancy cars. Meets big time people.......has connections
Just doesn't seem right

That's what I thought too. Nothing here worth killing yourself if things are pretty rosy. Even if they violated some finance law it's usually just a fine or other small penance. I suppose the suicide could be completely unrelated.

But it does beg the question of the ledger. Wealthy people don't cut checks; they wire transfer. There's a very real possibility that account had deposits from Buckingham palace. And even if the Euro royals have anonymous slush funds to pay prostitution bills the vast array of actors and businessmen involved wouldn't. Assuming Deutsche wasn't laundering for Epstein that's a lot of data and they might know where the bodies are buried.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: David in MN on December 09, 2019, 09:36:58 AM
Not to put too fine a point on it but Epstein's private plane was a 747. His "apartment" had 41 rooms on 7 floors. He was so in charge of Les Wexner's fortune that at one point in the 90s Epstein was doing casting couch interviews for upcoming models at Victoria's Secret. His "partner" Ghislaine Maxwell is herself the daughter of a billionaire pedophile fraudster. He did exactly 1 year at Bear Stearns and made millions after they snatched him from teaching at an elite prep school where he taught physics despite being a college dropout.

I'm not being hyperbolic when I say Jeff Epstein might have had a finger in bringing us names like Heidi Klum or Tyra Banks. Oh and he buddied up with the current president who ran Miss America and a former president who had a taste for interns.

This guy was neck deep in the modeling world and nobody needs a 747 or a 41 room house when they are single with no kids. This onion just keeps giving more layers. I'm constantly amazed at how much this one little "financier" had fingers in a lot of pies.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: David in MN on December 09, 2019, 10:10:30 AM
And Ghislaine Maxwell was a guest at Chelsea Clinton's wedding. Oh and Epstein's "Zorro Ranch" was literally landlocked inside the grounds of the King family who were the governors of New Mexico.

This keeps reeking to high heaven. I'm beside myself.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Stwood on December 09, 2019, 11:03:37 AM
 :popcorn:
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: David in MN on December 09, 2019, 01:38:40 PM
Prince Andrew needed to stay at the paedo apartment because it was "convenient". Are you kidding me? We have photographic evidence of him wrapping his arm around a 17 year old child with her handler Maxwell in the background.

This is so filthy. The Clintons invited him to their kid's wedding after he pleaded guilty to trafficking minors for sex.

I feel like an insane person. If I knew a sex offender he doesn't get within earshot of my kid. I'm all for grown consenting adults doing whatever they want but we're talking a parade of underage girls who might have thought Epstein was their way into modeling.

This isn't a one time accident or some such thing. This guy was invited to Chelsea Clinton's wedding after he pleaded guilty. He had talks with Stephen Hawking of freeze preserving his brain and penis. He was talking to provide funding for Elon Musk to take Tesla private. Bill Gates said he "leads an interesting lifestyle". If I can dig this up it's not that secret.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Stwood on December 09, 2019, 02:20:53 PM
Possibly the whole Clinton tribe was involved.
Somewhere someone posted a pic of Hillary, Bill, and legend Long Dong Silver...John Holmes.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: David in MN on December 10, 2019, 08:36:39 AM
Possibly the whole Clinton tribe was involved.
Somewhere someone posted a pic of Hillary, Bill, and legend Long Dong Silver...John Holmes.

Something's gotta give. How sick do you have to be to expose your daughter to a woman working with a convicted sex trafficker? We're not talking about consenting adults. And if Maxwell was at the wedding did she have contact years before? We have to ponder that Chelsea Clinton may have been sold into sex slavery by her parents.

Just look at the facts. We have a convicted pedophile sex trafficker who has a ranch on land encircled by the governor of New Mexico, has a private island, has a 41 room mansion in New York, has a 747, has his paedo business partner shmoozing with the Clintons, has control over the next lingerie models at Victoria's Secret, has been allowed to teach children at an elite prep school with no degree, actively discusses freezing his penis for future use, and has underage girls massage him 3 times per day.

We've got quotes about his "eccentricities" from Bill Gates, Donald Trump, a prince of England, a princess of Norway, and I'm sure more will crop up. But just stick to the facts. They're almost unbelievable.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Morning Sunshine on December 10, 2019, 10:05:36 AM
We have to ponder that Chelsea Clinton may have been sold into sex slavery by her parents.

of course not.  Chelsea is part of the elite; only the daughters of the peasantry would be subjected to that.  My big question upon learning about Hillary being there as well as Bill - was she also receiving "massages" from underage girls?
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: scoop on December 10, 2019, 10:19:40 AM
There was that Hillary interview with Howard Stern recently where she was asked if she had engaged in a lesbian affair. Her answer was “Never even been tempted..."
So consider the word usage "affair", does not rule out that she engaged in bi-sexual or lesbian sex, just that it wasn't an "affair".
I imagine swinging couples don't have affairs while swinging do they?
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: David in MN on December 10, 2019, 03:17:39 PM
I'm just going to throw this out there. Prince Andrew attended Heidi Klum's "Hookers and Pimps" party with Ghislaine Maxwell. Now Heidi got a modeling job for Victoria's Secret when Jeff Epstein had casting couch control over lingerie models. Oh yeah. There's some shit there.

I don't really care if Bill and Hillary clearly have a marriage of convenience and sleep around. Adults can do that. Dances With Wolves had a nude scene. It's something else when you have a convicted sex offender and his madam repeatedly cropping up in polite circles and grooming young girls. And we know Bill liked the interns. Bill likes them young.

I know I'm the crazy conspiracy guy. But Epstein had creative control over Victoria's Secret and Les Wexner's fortune. To be clear.... A convicted pedophile ran the models for Victoria's Secret and his madam shows at Heidi's party. I'm speechless.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Stwood on December 10, 2019, 04:00:06 PM
I goggled Les Wexner (curious) and Jeff's pic came up with him.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: David in MN on December 11, 2019, 02:43:14 PM
I goggled Les Wexner (curious) and Jeff's pic came up with him.

Epstein basically scammed Wexner. Epstein had executive control over Wexner's businesses and had (no joke) control over who was hired and fired. Now Les Wexner was the creative power behind "L Brands" (read the Limited and Victoria's Secret and he spun off brands like Abercrombie and Fitch [which is where Ernest Hemingway bought the shotgun he blew his head off with before they became a household name for underage gay models]).

This is not crazy conspiracy stuff. The facts are the facts. Jeffrey Epstein had creative control over Victoria's Secret models in the 90s. His pedophile groomer Maxwell was at Chelsea Clinton's wedding. She also crops up with Prince Andrew at a Heidi Klum party who was likely hired at Victoria's Secret by Epstein. I've never seen a story so replete in debauchery. There is no good person in this story.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Stwood on December 11, 2019, 04:13:13 PM
No end to the story most likely
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on December 11, 2019, 06:54:36 PM
https://www.foxnews.com/media/jeffrey-epstein-miami-detective-flight-pilot-watters.amp (https://www.foxnews.com/media/jeffrey-epstein-miami-detective-flight-pilot-watters.amp)
Jeffrey Epstein's co-pilot disclosed details of his flights

The co-pilot claimed he flew "all over the world" with Epstein, and alleged that the financier employed very young stewardesses and had "bedrooms" in the back of the plane, according to Fisten. The co-pilot described the stewardesses as appearing to be minors dressed in outfits as that of "candy stripers," he said.

The co-pilot also told Fisten that former President Bill Clinton flew on the plane "numerous times," he said.

"Twenty-six times, I believe," Fisten claimed.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Stwood on December 12, 2019, 07:12:09 AM
May have a co-pilot suicide coming up shortly
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: David in MN on December 12, 2019, 07:44:24 AM
It's worth remembering this isn't a private Gulfstream or Cessna. He had a Boeing 727. That thing can't even land at regional airports. The bleed of owning that plane must have been unreal. This is a plane built to carry 150 passengers internationally and he was using it to carry a handful of guest and (shall we slimily say) crew.

That's a big plane for one dude.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Stwood on December 12, 2019, 07:56:30 AM
So what....50 grand operational costs for a flight???
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: David in MN on December 12, 2019, 08:11:33 AM
So what....50 grand operational costs for a flight???

Basically for fuel cost. a 727 will carry about 10,000 gallons of fuel. That doesn't begin to consider what maintenence and storage costs would be or the upkeep of the Pratt & Whitney engines. Again, this isn't "I have a private plane" but "I have a commercial plane". In the 1980s they retailed in the low $20,000,000.

I can wrap my head around a private plane or helicopter but this is a commercial jet. Something here does not make sense.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on December 12, 2019, 10:04:23 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7701709/amp/Jeffrey-Epstein-accuser-claims-took-Bill-Clintons-seat-plane.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7701709/amp/Jeffrey-Epstein-accuser-claims-took-Bill-Clintons-seat-plane.html)
Jeffrey Epstein accuser claims she once took his 'good friend' Bill Clinton's seat on the late millionaire pedophile's Lolita Express jet - and says the bedroom floors were made out of mattress foam

In her lawsuit, Doe described meeting Epstein's secretary during a 2004 school trip to New York City and was later invited to fly to the millionaire's New Mexico ranch in his private jet the 'Lolita Express'. 

'When I chose a seat on the jet, Jeffrey told me that is where his good friend Bill Clinton always chose to sit,' Jane Doe 15 said, adding that the name-dropping was 'as if to reassure me of the elite normalcy of that kind of behavior'.

She said during the flight that Epstein also gave her a tour of his plane and showed her the bedroom.

'He told me to get down and feel the carpeted floors of the room. He then asked if I noticed anything special about the floor,' the woman said.

'I responded that it felt very soft. He laughed and said was because the floors in the bedroom were foam mattress floors because he liked to have girls sleep around him on the floor while he slept in the bed.'
...
'Epstein's description of the women sleeping around him on the floor made her immediately think of slaves,' the lawsuit said.

The complaint went on to say that 'Jane Doe 15 found her interactions with Epstein on the plane strange'.

'But she recognized one of the other girls on the plane as a model who had been on a magazine cover that month. Jane Doe 15 remembers finding that reassuring, and thinking, 'If she's here, it must be okay.'

Clinton was among the many prominent passengers who rode on Epstein's jet and was once counted among his associates. After Epstein's arrest this year, Clinton said he hadn't seen Epstein in years and knew nothing of his misconduct.

It emerged after Epstein's death that a large portrait of Clinton had been hanging in the millionaire's New York home. Photos also emerged of the former president posing inside Epstein's home posing with some of the millionaire's household staff.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: David in MN on December 19, 2019, 12:08:47 PM
And they lost the video of his first suicide attempt.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/surveillance-video-missing-from-jeffrey-epsteins-first-suspected-suicide-attempt-lawyer_n_5dfb8b15e4b006dceaa9f6bf

So the he said/he said of the first go around is now gone. Even after his cell mate requested it be preserved in legal documents. We're about 2 weeks from NYC correctional telling us they have never heard of Geoffrey Epsheen. Come on. Something either happened or not. This is a real bad look.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Prepper456 on December 19, 2019, 12:31:24 PM
why didnt the cell mate see anything?
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on December 19, 2019, 01:28:27 PM
why didnt the cell mate see anything?

His cell mate was an ex-cop  who was found to be dirty.  Part of his resume is he was a hitman for a cartel.  While in prison he maintained constant outside communication via mini cell phones which just somehow kept getting to his possesion.   The first time Epstein was found passed out in his cell with injuries around his neck.  His cell mate claimed that Epstein did it to himself while he was napping.  Epstein said he was attcked by him and choked out.  Epstein was put in solitary confinement while under "suicide watch".  He was supposed to be placed in a cell with a new mate and his former cellmate was supposed to be moved to a different block.  Instead, Epstein was returned to a cell alone with his former cell mate in the next one.  The night of his death, the camera on that block allegedly failed and no guard entered during that time.  The temporary guards who locked down the cell and supposedly didnt check cameras refuse to answer questions.  The cell control logs also apparently failed.  The lawyer for his ex cellmate says his client knows what happened and will talk if given full immunity and his previous convictions are settled.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Prepper456 on December 19, 2019, 01:30:52 PM
that is weird
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Stwood on December 20, 2019, 08:36:48 AM

Tape will turn up in 50 years and sell on Ebay.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: David in MN on December 20, 2019, 09:34:16 AM
Well at some point they're going to have to explain. You had the most notorious prisoner in America who had a dispute with his cell mate over whether he was suicidal or attacked, deleted the footage, put him back overseen by rent-a-cops on their rookie mission, had a second camera failure, and allowed him to die by not following normal protocol.

I'm willing to believe he killed himself but to call this criminal gross negligence feels like an understatement.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Prepper456 on December 20, 2019, 10:41:58 AM
it does look suspicious
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: FreeLancer on December 20, 2019, 12:29:18 PM
CNBC:  Missing’ jail video from first Jeffrey Epstein suicide attempt has been found, prosecutors tell judge  (https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/20/video-of-jeffrey-epstein-jail-suicide-attempt-is-found.html)

Quote
Federal prosecutors have found surveillance video of the area around the cell of accused child sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein on the day of his first jailhouse suicide attempt, according to a new court filing. Earlier this week, they said the footage was missing.

The video, which prosecutors said was actually preserved by jail staff as previously requested, was being sought by lawyers for Epstein’s former cellmate at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in Manhattan

That cellmate, former Westchester County, New York, police officer Nicholas Tartgalione, claims he helped save the life of the wealthy investor Epstein during his suicide bid at the federal jail on July 23.

Epstein, 66, died weeks later in from what authorities have ruled was a suicide by hanging in that jail, where the former friend of Presidents Donald Trump and Bill Clinton was awaiting trial on charges related to his alleged sexual abuse of dozens of underage girls from 2002 through 2005.

His death, which remains under investigation, sparked conspiracy theories that he actually was murdered because of his ties to wealthy and powerful people, some of whom have been accused of having sex with Epstein’s victims. Neither Trump nor Clinton have been accused of having sex with women connected to Epstein.

Prosecutors have charged two guards with trying to cover up their alleged failure to conduct mandated safety checks on Epstein and other inmates in the hours before he was found unresponsive in the cell.

Video surveillance from the hours before Epstein was found lifeless on Aug. 13 shows that no one entered his cell after he entered it the night before.

At the time of his death, Epstein did not have a cellmate.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on December 20, 2019, 01:08:18 PM
Video surveillance from the hours before Epstein was found lifeless on Aug. 13 shows that no one entered his cell after he entered it the night before.

That is incorrect. No such footage has been released or even suggested exists.  The camera directly outside the cell failed.  The one for the block showed guard locking it down. So the implication is noone entered or left the block.   But there is no footage showing noone entered (or left) the cell itself.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Prepper456 on December 20, 2019, 01:45:01 PM
i am confused. wouldnt the found one not be made public before a trial or something?
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on December 20, 2019, 02:01:22 PM
i am confused. wouldnt the found one not be made public before a trial or something?

What trial do you mean?  The Epstein trial was ended as he is no longer alive.  And the first video has no bearing on the potential trial of the guards as they had nothing to do with that.  The parole review of his ex cellmate's actions isnt a trial. 
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Stwood on December 20, 2019, 03:40:16 PM
CNBC:  Missing’ jail video from first Jeffrey Epstein suicide attempt has been found, prosecutors tell judge  (https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/20/video-of-jeffrey-epstein-jail-suicide-attempt-is-found.html)

Notice they have to slip in Trump's name at every chance.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on December 20, 2019, 03:51:50 PM
Notice they have to slip in Trump's name at every chance.

They have no credibility whatsoever.  They even claimed he was found unresponsive on August 13.  That is a crazy.  He was found dead on August 10.  i sent them a note on the inaccuracies.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Stwood on December 20, 2019, 03:54:31 PM
They have no credibility whatsoever.  They even claimed he was found unresponsive on August 13.  That is a crazy.  He was found dead on August 10.  i sent them a note on the inaccuracies.

Amazing
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Prepper456 on December 20, 2019, 04:59:11 PM
[quote author=iam4liberty link=topic=64262.msg765890#msg765890 date=1576875682
What trial do you mean?  The Epstein trial was ended as he is no longer alive. 

well investigation
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: David in MN on December 30, 2019, 08:51:15 AM
The FBI has slowly been putting out press releases that they are expanding to the circle who may have supported or been involved in Epstein's inner circle, notably Ghislaine Maxwell. Nothing concrete but an expanded investigation (whatever that means).

It's getting very hard to tell what the FBI is actually doing. One minute they refuse access to their evidence, the next they are looking for Maxwell as if nobody knew about her 6 month ago.

I realize that many socialites and celebrities have been photographed with Maxwell and this isn't cause for suspicion; particularly in New York City where they might just have attended the same gala or charity ball but it doesn't seem like it would hurt to do some old fashioned leg work and at least get some interviews and try to piece something together. She's connected to quite a few interesting people. Although I suspect most to be innocent it might help piece together a pattern or maybe recognize she had a tell or a way to offer girls to prospective clients. Seems like a good way to suss out how these rings work, no?
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Stwood on December 30, 2019, 09:00:58 AM
If she hasn't turned up yet, I'm thinking she died by suicide.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on January 04, 2020, 10:38:05 PM
So Biden is back to Epstein level creepiness. 

https://twitter.com/mooncult/status/1213615495401725954?s=09 (https://twitter.com/mooncult/status/1213615495401725954?s=09)

Jessica Collins claims she was trafficked to Prince Andrew and Biden as a youth.  Maybe an investigation needs to be opened up on this like they have for Prince Andrew.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Stwood on January 04, 2020, 10:55:46 PM
So Biden is back to Epstein level creepiness. 

https://twitter.com/mooncult/status/1213615495401725954?s=09 (https://twitter.com/mooncult/status/1213615495401725954?s=09)

Jessica Collins claims she was trafficked to Prince Andrew and Biden as a youth.  Maybe an investigation needs to be opened up on this like they have for Prince Andrew.

Sounds good to me.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on January 05, 2020, 06:54:22 PM
Wow.  Ricky Gervais takes it to Hollywood at the Golden Globes.

https://youtu.be/ocs9uv--i00 (https://youtu.be/ocs9uv--i00)



Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on January 05, 2020, 09:29:04 PM
Perfectly normal to leave a prisoner with pills to overdose on, electrical cords to electricute oneself, and "enough bed sheets for several inmates dumped on the floor.". Oh, and of course, they wouldn't take any pictures actually showing the death scene  And exactly why would he choose to make a dozen nooses from sheets (which were spotless by the way) instead of using cord?   ::). As many experts are now saying, looks a lot more like a torture scene than a suicide one.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7855039/Graphic-photos-Jeffrey-Epsteins-autopsy-reveal-bloodied-neck.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7855039/Graphic-photos-Jeffrey-Epsteins-autopsy-reveal-bloodied-neck.html)
Graphic photos from Jeffrey Epstein's autopsy reveal his bloodied neck - as other images from inside his prison cell show nooses made from bed sheets, prescription pills and electrical cords

Graphic photographs from Jeffrey Epstein's autopsy have revealed for the first time his bloody neck wound - as other images taken inside his New York prison cell show several nooses fashioned from bed sheets, pills and electrical cords.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: David in MN on January 06, 2020, 06:03:01 AM
And all that 15 feet from the guards' office. I don't know what happened but it sure doesn't look good.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on January 06, 2020, 12:56:00 PM
And here it is everyone.  The "suicide note" which led the medical examiner to declare it a suicide despite the contrary injury indications.  Definitely an open-shut case.   :sarcasm:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-handwritten-note-found-in-jeffrey-epstein-jail-cell-60-minutes-2020-01-05/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-handwritten-note-found-in-jeffrey-epstein-jail-cell-60-minutes-2020-01-05/)
The handwritten note found in Jeffrey Epstein's jail cell
60 Minutes has obtained a copy of a handwritten note found in the Manhattan jail cell where convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein was found dead last year


(https://cbsnews1.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2020/01/05/92e47631-2d9b-4c8f-8454-d5656103fe4a/thumbnail/1240x698/9fd64fd1016f43dbb41c817cbcc60f1c/notemain.jpg)
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Stwood on January 06, 2020, 03:49:08 PM
Not even readable. Which *expert* got suicide out of that? LOL
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on January 06, 2020, 03:56:53 PM
Not even readable. Which *expert* got suicide out of that? LOL

The name of the medical examiner who conducted the investigation has been withheld from the public.  Noone has been allowed to talk with him/her, only the chief examiner.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Stwood on January 07, 2020, 12:45:00 PM
Name withheld.

Didn't want another suicide on their hands?
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: David in MN on January 07, 2020, 03:06:03 PM
Um he was so deprived he had to chicken scratch his suicide note with a Pilot G2 Gel 7mm pen? As much as I want to believe the story there are some nagging questions I'd like answered. There's a lot here that makes no sense. Was he right or left handed? Seems critical if the suicide note has the pen on the left side but his earbuds on the right.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on January 08, 2020, 04:04:29 PM
Nothing to see here.

https://www.the-sun.com/news/us-news/224545/bill-clinton-jeffery-epsteins-ghislaine-maxwell-lolita-express (https://www.the-sun.com/news/us-news/224545/bill-clinton-jeffery-epsteins-ghislaine-maxwell-lolita-express)
PRESIDENT AND THE 'PIMP' Bill Clinton poses with Epstein’s ‘pimp’ Ghislaine Maxwell and a sex slave on board private jet the ‘Lolita Express’

BILL Clinton poses side-by-side with suspected pimp Ghislaine Maxwell - as the pair board pedophile Jeffrey Epstein’s notorious private jet.

The former US President is seen smiling on the steps of the plane – dubbed the Lolita Express - next to Maxwell, in astonishing pictures exclusively obtained by The Sun.


(https://www.the-sun.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2020/01/NINTCHDBPICT000552447535.jpg?w=960)

In another image he has his arm round Epstein's personal masseuse and sex slave Chauntae Davies - who had been ordered to wear a 'pilot' shirt to look professional..

(https://www.the-sun.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2020/01/NINTCHDBPICT000552446727.jpg?w=960)
(https://www.the-sun.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2020/01/NINTCHDBPICT000552446734.jpg?w=960)

Other never-seen-before images show Clinton traveling on the infamous Boeing 727 jet while playing cards and chomping on a cigar.

Now, for the first time, Chauntae Davies has revealed the extraordinary details of Clinton's long distance flight to Africa with Maxwell and a number of other celebrities


Bill Clinton chomps on a cigar on board Epstein's luxurious private jet
(https://www.the-sun.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2020/01/NINTCHDBPICT000552447254.jpg?w=960)

Bill Clinton was in relaxed mood on the humanitarian trip to Africa
(https://www.the-sun.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2020/01/MEGA579564_014jpg-JS552616450-1.jpg?w=960)


Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on January 09, 2020, 08:44:42 AM
Things just took a crazy turn.  Paul Krugman is one of the alleged Epstein scientists though Princeton and CUNY have not confirmed that.  Well yesterday he tweeted out that while the IP address of his personal network (to which only he has access) has been used to download CP, it wasnt him who did it.  Rather he suggests that Qanon has hacked into his system and was downloading it to frame him.  Others speculate that he got caught in a sting operation and they were able to use malware to penetrate the encrypted tunnel set up by his security firm and report back his IP address to authorities.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/new-york-times-paul-krugman-hacker-child-pornography (https://www.foxnews.com/media/new-york-times-paul-krugman-hacker-child-pornography)
NY Times columnist Paul Krugman says hacker 'compromised' his IP address to 'download child pornography'

"Well, I’m on the phone with my computer security service, and as I understand it someone compromised my IP address and is using it to download child pornography," Krugman wrote in a now-deleted tweet. "I might just be a random target. But this could be an attempt to Qanon me. It’s an ugly world out there."
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Stwood on January 09, 2020, 08:56:26 AM


"Well, I’m on the phone with my computer security service, and as I understand it someone compromised my IP address and is using it to download child pornography," Krugman wrote in a now-deleted tweet. "I might just be a random target. But this could be an attempt to Qanon me. It’s an ugly world out there."

Uhuh.

Wouldn't a suicide hit be better than a hack?
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: David in MN on January 09, 2020, 10:24:33 AM
I tried to follow up on the Krugman story but all the sources are noticably conservative. Not that I would expect his employer the New York Times to write it up but it would be nice to have a balanced version of the story. Seems he was at best  very, very, very stupid but anyone who has read his column already knows that. I can't believe the Nobel committee can look me in the eyes and say that Paul Krugman is on the level of F A Hayek but Murray Rothbard, Ludwig von Mises, Henry Hazlett, and Harry Browne just don't hold up.

I will admit it's a little hard seeing Bill Clinton getting handsy with the jailbait and then smoking a cigar. Little history there and we all know what he likes to do with both. One would think if your reputation is defiling the interns he would be a little more careful to not put himself in such compromised positions. I may never understand the true evil that exists in this world.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on January 09, 2020, 10:33:31 AM
I tried to follow up on the Krugman story but all the sources are noticably conservative.

I saw the twitter thread live, but he had deleted the original tweet before it entered my feed so wasnt sure of context of responses.  A lot of high profile blue checkmark liberals were encouraging him to delete it and get his lawyers on board ASAP.  Noone, not even his biggest fans, were buying the Qanon story.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on January 09, 2020, 10:51:52 AM
There cant possibly be any efforts to protect people right?  There is also talk on radio that the lost then found video is lost again, this time permanently deleted.  But dont have links yet.

https://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/20200108/judge-refuses-to-release-records-of-jeffrey-epstein-grand-jury (https://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/20200108/judge-refuses-to-release-records-of-jeffrey-epstein-grand-jury)
Judge refuses to release records of Jeffrey Epstein grand jury

Without evidence of criminal wrongdoing, a Palm Beach County judge said she won't release records from a 2006 grand jury hearing that ended with the indictment of suspected serial child molester Jeffrey Epstein on a single charge of soliciting a prostitute.

Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on January 09, 2020, 12:09:57 PM
There is also talk on radio that the lost then found video is lost again, this time permanently deleted.  But dont have links yet.

Confirmed!  They just didnt delete it, they overwrote everything ensuring it could not be recovered and substituted video from another camera in different part of jail showing nothing happened.

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/01/09/jail-video-of-jeffrey-epsteins-first-suicide-attempt-was-deleted.html (https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/01/09/jail-video-of-jeffrey-epsteins-first-suicide-attempt-was-deleted.html)
Jail video of Jeffrey Epstein's first suicide attempt was deleted, prosecutors reveal

Surveillance video footage from outside the jail cell of accused child sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein at the time of his first reported suicide attempt in July has been deleted, federal prosecutors revealed Thursday.

The Metropolitan Correctional Center in Manhattan, where Epstein was being held after his arrest on charges of allegedly trafficking dozens of underage girls, "inadvertently preserved" video feed from the wrong area of the jail, prosecutors wrote in a court filing in U.S. District Court in Manhattan.

"As a result, video from outside the defendant's cell" on July 22 and 23, which covered the time Epstein made his first alleged attempt to kill himself inside the federal lockup, "no longer exists."
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: David in MN on January 09, 2020, 02:50:35 PM
It is getting bizarre. There are a tidal wave of medical examiners on the internet making all sorts of claims. Even my dad told me that the abrasions look more like a garroting and he has the life experience in the State Department to know.

I'm no expert on what constitutes a hanging versus a garroting. I have no problem cornering a boxer and seeing broken ribs, a cracked liver, kidney damage, or an orbital fracture. I could diagnose these in seconds and know whether to toss a towel. But I lack the ability to assess soft tissue damage.

That said, I'm very uncomfortable with the idea that Epstein had a high end pen, unrestricted access to prescription meds, a litany of "practice" nooses, and  enough bedsheets for a hospital dealing with a cholera epidemic. Oh and the security cameras failed.

I don't know the real story but would you let a loved one spend a night in jail under these conditions? Seems like the perfect storm.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on January 09, 2020, 03:18:51 PM
Let's be clear here.  The video footage was actively destroyed in a way which was not recoverable.  It wasn't a delte, it was a manual overwrite.  Then footage from another part of jail with carefully chosen time codes and camera angles was submitted to court as the destroyed video.  Now we are learning that the backup system also has been destroyed while under orders to preserve it at all costs.  This set of circumstances is so inconceivably small that it cant possibly be dismissed as incompetence. 

https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ny-epstein-suicide-attempt-video-20200109-3pyok6bj7vac3gnt77hp5fsmom-story.html (https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ny-epstein-suicide-attempt-video-20200109-3pyok6bj7vac3gnt77hp5fsmom-story.html)
Surveillance video of Jeffrey Epstein’s cell during suicide attempt was destroyed: prosecutors

Surveillance footage from outside Jeffrey Epstein’s cell during his suicide attempt was destroyed, prosecutors revealed Thursday.

The revelation in a letter filed by Assistant U.S. Attorneys Maurene Comey and Jason Swergold is the latest head-spinning disclosure from the feds about the footage from the Metropolitan Correctional Center on July 22 and 23. Epstein attempted to hang himself that night while sharing a cell with accused quadruple murderer Nick Tartaglione, officials have said.

Swergold initially said last month in White Plains Federal Court that the video had not been preserved. He reversed himself less than 24 hours later, saying it had been archived.

Now, the feds say that due to a record-keeping error, MCC staff preserved footage from outside the wrong cell.

The footage contained on the preserved video was for the correct date and time, but captured a different tier than the one where Cell-1 was located because the preserved video did not show corrections officers responding to any of the cells seen on the video. After speaking with MCC legal counsel, the Government was informed that the MCC computer system listed a different, incorrect cell for Tartaglione,” prosecutors wrote in a letter filed in Manhattan Federal Court.

Even worse, there was a backup system for the video footage, but that wasn’t working, either.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Stwood on January 09, 2020, 03:53:00 PM

One shame after another.
Whoever the big boys are that's pulling the strings, are going to make sure non of this is ever revealed as to what really happened.
It has to be inside work from Govco officials and prison employees.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on January 09, 2020, 04:00:22 PM
Whoever the big boys are that's pulling the strings, are going to make sure non of this is ever revealed as to what really happened.
It has to be inside work from Govco officials and prison employees.

Dont forget that the "Assistant U.S. Attorney Maurene Comey" cited in the article is former FBI Director James Comey's daughter. For years James Comey allegedly ran interference for Epstein as well as Anthony Weiner.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Stwood on January 09, 2020, 04:01:50 PM
Yes, I noticed his daughters name in there.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on January 09, 2020, 10:10:51 PM
Only 21% buy the official story that Epstein killed himself.  Poll taken BEFORE revelation of deleted videos. 

How many want to wager someone rolls out EDKH banner at Super Bowl?

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/majority-believe-epstein-murdered-because-he-knew-too-much-poll (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/majority-believe-epstein-murdered-because-he-knew-too-much-poll)
Majority believe Epstein was murdered 'because he knew too much': Poll

52% of them believe he "was murdered to prevent him from testifying against powerful people with whom he associated." Twenty-one percent of Americans believed Epstein killed himself, and 27% were undecided in the poll.

The majority of the American public has followed the news of Epstein closely, with 62% saying they have been paying close attention. Of those, 74% thought Epstein was likely murdered.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on January 11, 2020, 11:20:38 AM
https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/34585-the-newly-revealed-clinton-epstein-photos-and-establishment-pedophilia (https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/34585-the-newly-revealed-clinton-epstein-photos-and-establishment-pedophilia)
The Newly Revealed Clinton-Epstein Photos and Establishment Pedophilia

The pedophiles are “everywhere, like vultures.” Ex-child actor Corey Feldman was referring to Hollywood when he uttered those words, but child sex abuse appears a problem across pseudo-elite spheres. And just published pictures of former president Bill Clinton living it up aboard deceased sex offender Jeffrey Epstein’s airplane — dubbed the “Lolita Express” — are reminding many that the late multi-millionaire was just the tip of a very steamy and sleazy iceberg.

American Thinker’s Monica Showalter wrote yesterday that much “of the fallout of the Jeffrey Epstein ‘pedophilia among the powerful’ scandal has fallen onto Prince Andrew of the U.K., an insignificant second son of Queen Elizabeth II.” Showalter suspects that the focus on the royal is a deflection designed to draw attention away from more significant figures in Epstein’s orbit.

Andrew is an ideal fall guy. Plausibly apolitical, his woes tarnish no political parties or ideologies. And beneficiary “number one remains Bill Clinton, whose associations with Epstein are pretty astonishing,” remarks Showalter. She continues:
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on January 12, 2020, 08:09:30 AM
Newspapers are finally dipping foot into breaking with official story through editorials and commentaries. 

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jan/11/jeffrey-epstein-and-hilarity-called-investigation/ (https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jan/11/jeffrey-epstein-and-hilarity-called-investigation/)
Jeffrey Epstein's demise was not at his own hands

Of course Jeffrey Epstein was murdered.

And there’s no reason to whisper around that. It’s impossible to conclude otherwise — particularly in the face of the latest announcement about the final hours of the jailed convicted sex offender’s life, that video footage of his first suicide attempt had been inadvertently destroyed.

It “no longer exists,” said federal prosecutors.

That’s not just curious. It’s beyond-the-pale outrageously suspicious.

Let’s just take a look at the facts:
...
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Stwood on January 12, 2020, 08:30:33 AM

That link is a good rundown of the situation.

I'm curious as to who's running the show on this deal. Someone is calling the shots
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on January 16, 2020, 02:00:45 PM
That link is a good rundown of the situation.

I'm curious as to who's running the show on this deal. Someone is calling the shots

Who was in charge of DOJ from 2008 through 2015?  That would be Eric Holder and Loretta Lynch.  All the government agents involved have worked for one or both of these.

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/jeffrey-epstein-survivor-presses-case-hold-us-govt/story?id=68313706 (https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/jeffrey-epstein-survivor-presses-case-hold-us-govt/story?id=68313706)
Jeffrey Epstein survivor presses case to hold US gov't accountable for violating victims' rights

For more than a decade, Courtney Wild, a survivor of sexual abuse by Jeffrey Epstein, has been a driving force in the effort to hold the United States government accountable for its lenient treatment of the late financier, who was spared federal prosecution in 2008 after being investigated for alleged crimes against her and more than 30 other minor girls.

On Thursday morning, Wild, 32, will be in attendance at a federal appeals court hearing in Miami as her attorneys seek to revive her case against the U.S. Department of Justice for violating her rights and those of dozens of other alleged victims of Epstein's sex trafficking scheme.

"Epstein's death shouldn't mean all the wrongdoing in this case is swept under the rug," Wild told ABC News. "People helped him commit these crimes. Everyone needs to be held accountable for the role they played in this."
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Stwood on January 16, 2020, 05:46:51 PM
Well, mainly I was asking about the coverups, the corruption at the prison, one of the guards disappeared?, and of course Epstein's death.
I feel it's someone *outside* the government. Some big wheel, lots of money, maybe someone that would be exposed along with others if the info ever gets out.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on January 16, 2020, 10:11:38 PM
Well, mainly I was asking about the coverups, the corruption at the prison, one of the guards disappeared?, and of course Epstein's death.
I feel it's someone *outside* the government. Some big wheel, lots of money, maybe someone that would be exposed along with others if the info ever gets out.

I mean that. We've just learned from project veritas leaks that ABC killed the Epstein story under pressure from the AG.  That was Loretta Lynch.  Best that can be figured from timing is that the story was finally completely killed two days after Clinton met with Lynch in the secret Tarmac meeting.

https://www.waynedupree.com/abc-news-epstein-cover-up/ (https://www.waynedupree.com/abc-news-epstein-cover-up/)
POLITICS
Major Blowback: ABC News Blasted Online For Covering Up Blockbuster Jeffrey Epstein Story During 2016 Election


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/president-bill-clinton-loretta-lynch-meet-on-tarmac-in-phoenix/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/president-bill-clinton-loretta-lynch-meet-on-tarmac-in-phoenix/)
Bill Clinton, AG Loretta Lynch meet on tarmac in Phoenix

And Lamine N’Diaye, the warden of the prison where Epstein died, was just recently transfered into that role.  Before he was Erich Holder's Department Head for Correctional Services.This is documented somewhere in the thread above. He replaced Shirley Skipper-Scott who stepped aside to become assistant warden. In the past she worked directly for Holder and allegedly had an affair with him that turned bad after he refused to promote her.  She sued and got a lot of money and ended up becoming Warden there after the reconcilliation. 

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/08/warden-shirley-skipper-scott-sued-holder-for-racism-then-got-promoted-to-ny-citys-mcc-where-she-let-epstein-die/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/08/warden-shirley-skipper-scott-sued-holder-for-racism-then-got-promoted-to-ny-citys-mcc-where-she-let-epstein-die/)
Warden Shirley Skipper-Scott Sued Eric Holder for Racism – Then Got Promoted to NY City’s MCC Where Epstein Died

The Chief Medical Officer who made the controversial autopsy conclusion previously got millions of dollars from Lynch and Biden on the DNA scandal also documented earlier in the thread.  Here is a direct link to that story:

https://www1.nyc.gov/site/ocme/about/ocme-hosts-vice-president-joe-biden.page (https://www1.nyc.gov/site/ocme/about/ocme-hosts-vice-president-joe-biden.page)
OCME Hosts Vice President Joe Biden

The New York City Office of Chief Medical Examiner (OCME) welcomed Vice President Joe Biden, United States Attorney General Loretta E. Lynch, and Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus R. Vance, Jr. on Thursday, September 10, for a special announcement about funding to end the national backlog of untested sexual assault evidence kits. OCME helped to eliminate New York City’s backlog of untested sexual assault evidence kits in 2003 through DNA testing and analysis.

Vice President Biden, Attorney General Lynch, and District Attorney Vance announced separate, but complementary, awards totaling nearly $80 million for 26 states across the country. The funding from the Manhattan District Attorney’s Office will help test an estimated 56,475 sexual assault evidence kits, while the federal funding is expected to test approximately 13,500 kits.

Prior to the announcement, Chief Medical Examiner Dr. Barbara A. Sampson led Vice President Biden, Attorney General Lynch, District Attorney Vance, and special guest, actress and advocate Mariska Hargitay, on a tour of the DNA training laboratory operated by OCME’s Forensic Biology Department. OCME’s DNA laboratory played an instrumental role in helping to eliminate the sexual assault evidence kit backlog in New York City in 2003, an effort that became a model for other jurisdictions. More than 17,000 kits were tested between 2000 and 2003, and New York City continues to be free of any sexual assault evidence kit backlog.


Pretty much every figure involved worked for Holder or Lynch or received huge grants from them at some time.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Morning Sunshine on January 17, 2020, 09:28:38 AM
We've just learned from project veritas leaks that ABC killed the Epstein story under pressure from the AG.  That was Loretta Lynch.  Best that can be figured from timing is that the story was finally completely killed two days after Clinton met with Lynch in the secret Tarmac meeting.
....
Pretty much every figure involved worked for Holder or Lynch or received huge grants from them at some time.

that is big.  wow
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on January 17, 2020, 11:15:14 AM
It is also amazing how Biden has been kept out of news coverage despite several victims saying he was involved.  Lots of speculation he is VIP that judge is protecting by not releasing testimony.

https://247sports.com/college/kansas/Board/103734/Contents/Epstein-victim-says-she-was-sex-trafficked-to-Joe-Biden-John-Mc-135669625/ (https://247sports.com/college/kansas/Board/103734/Contents/Epstein-victim-says-she-was-sex-trafficked-to-Joe-Biden-John-Mc-135669625/)
Epstein victim says she was sex trafficked to Joe Biden, John McCain
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on January 17, 2020, 02:27:08 PM
To put it in perspective, this is what was going on in 2016.  Watch especially at 1 minute 40 seconds.

https://youtu.be/m6RoytU8MsQ (https://youtu.be/m6RoytU8MsQ)

You might want to archive as this is one of the videos which keeps getting removed.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: FreeLancer on January 17, 2020, 03:18:31 PM
Trump Just Hired Jeffrey Epstein’s Lawyers (https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-just-hired-jeffrey-epsteins-lawyers-alan-dershowitz-and-ken-starr?source=articles&via=rss)

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Donald Trump is lawyering up for his impeachment trial with a team that looks surprisingly similar to that of billionaire pedophile Jeffrey Epstein.

The president bolstered his legal team Friday with attorneys Alan Dershowitz and Kenneth Starr, who helped Epstein evade prison time in a now infamously lenient plea deal with Palm Beach prosecutors.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on January 17, 2020, 03:43:17 PM
Trump Just Hired Jeffrey Epstein’s Lawyers (https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-just-hired-jeffrey-epsteins-lawyers-alan-dershowitz-and-ken-starr?source=articles&via=rss)

For sure, Epstein was no dummy.  He knew to hire the best in legal counsel.  And it is brilliant move by Trump to have liberal hero and the most well known constitutional lawyer Dershowitz on team.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Docwatmo on January 17, 2020, 04:08:38 PM
For sure, Epstein was no dummy.  He knew to hire the best in legal counsel.  And it is brilliant move by Trump to have liberal hero and the most well known constitutional lawyer Dershowitz on team.

Yep, this makes perfect sense. 
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on January 17, 2020, 04:17:02 PM
Another blast from the past:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/07/prosecutor-in-2009-epstein-case-said-donald-trump-was-the-only-one-who-helped-him/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/07/prosecutor-in-2009-epstein-case-said-donald-trump-was-the-only-one-who-helped-him/)
Prosecutor in 2009 Epstein Case Said Donald Trump Was the ONLY ONE Who Helped Him

An attorney who represented the victims of billionaire Jeffrey Epstein’s sexual assault said that in 2009, the only person that helped him was then citizen Donald Trump.

Prosecuting attorney Bradley Edwards was interviewed in December 2018 in Palm Beach, Florida shortly after settling a court case he had with billionaire Jeffrey Epstein.
...
"The only thing that I can say about President Trump is that he is the only person who, in 2009 when I served a lot of subpoenas on a lot of people, or at least gave notice to some pretty connected people, that I want to talk to them, is the only person who picked up the phone and said, let’s just talk.  I’ll give you as much time as you want.  I’ll tell you what you need to know, and was very helpful, in the information that he gave, and gave no indication whatsoever that he was involved in anything untoward whatsoever, but had good information.  That checked out and that helped us and we didn’t have to take a deposition of him in 2009."
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on January 17, 2020, 04:55:22 PM
Yep, this makes perfect sense.

Dershowiz's statement on twitter:

https://twitter.com/AlanDersh/status/1218188194757300224?s=19 (https://twitter.com/AlanDersh/status/1218188194757300224?s=19)

STATEMENT REGARDING PROFESSOR DERSHOWITZ’S ROLE IN THE SENATE TRIAL - Professor Dershowitz will present oral arguments at the Senate trial to address the constitutional arguments against impeachment and removal. 

While Professor Dershowitz is non partisan when it comes to the constitution—he opposed the impeachment of President Bill Clinton and voted for Hillary Clinton— he believes the issues at stake go to the heart of our enduring Constitution.

He is participating in this impeachment trial to defend the integrity of the Constitution and to prevent the creation of a dangerous constitutional precedent.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Docwatmo on January 17, 2020, 06:56:23 PM


While Professor Dershowitz is non partisan when it comes to the constitution—he opposed the impeachment of President Bill Clinton and voted for Hillary Clinton— he believes the issues at stake go to the heart of our enduring Constitution.

He is participating in this impeachment trial to defend the integrity of the Constitution and to prevent the creation of a dangerous constitutional precedent.[/i]

Wow, someone that leans that far to the left, defending the constitution?   Will be interesting to see.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: David in MN on January 18, 2020, 06:18:03 AM
So Donald Trump just hired the lawyer who could be a witness? Smarmy as hell but he gets how the game is played.

Re the Clinton Lynch tarmac summit I have no idea what they discussed but to an American populous who has a hard time getting an hour with the mid level manager down the hall believing that a former president and the AG delayed planes and neither had a meeting to get to while they discussed their favorite ice cream flavors is the most obvious lie in human history.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: surfivor on January 18, 2020, 08:48:41 AM
Wow, someone that leans that far to the left, defending the constitution?   Will be interesting to see.

Dershowitz has been unhappy with the left for quite a while and they hate him as well. He was Epstien's lawyer at one time but says he has evidence that the charges against him are false with regards to involvement with an underage girl
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Carver on January 18, 2020, 10:08:54 PM
............... while they discussed their favorite ice cream flavors is the most obvious lie in human history.
no, they were chatting about their grandchildren, despite the fact that one of them doesn't have any and the other one only has one. What is so unbelievable about that? And I suppose you don't believe that Hillary deleted 30,000 emails because they were about her yoga lessons and Chelsea's wedding plans? Hillary's graceful descent from a flight of stairs as well as her leap into the van are evident of her yoga practice. The masterful way she executed her presidential campaign; not going to Wisconsin or Michigan, easily demonstrates her expertise at planning events such as Chelsea's wedding. I know there are some that draw a straight line connecting the tarmac talk with Comey's pardon of Hillary's crimes that others went to prison for which he wasn't authorized to do......
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on January 23, 2020, 07:28:42 AM
Probably will get this thread locked too, but it is important information:

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/jeffrey-epstein-island-residents-share-rumors-surrounding-little-saint-james/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/jeffrey-epstein-island-residents-share-rumors-surrounding-little-saint-james/)
St. Thomas residents paint a picture of Jeffrey Epstein's life on "Pedophile Island"

When Epstein was convicted and serving time for procuring an underage girl in Florida for sex, word of his 13-month sentence and his alleged crimes made their way to St. Thomas.

"The talk was just that he had gotten some crazy sweetheart deal," said charter boat Captain Jim Query.
...
According to media outlets, Epstein also donated money to U.S. Virgin Islands government officials
...
When asked if she thought a blind eye was turned to Epstein's crimes, George responded that she could not comment on what went on before she stepped into office, but "what I do know is that once we got here, this new administration, we will not turn a blind eye. We will enforce it."

According to local government officials, Epstein made the U.S. Virgin Islands his permanent residency in 2010.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on January 23, 2020, 07:45:16 AM
https://amp.miamiherald.com/news/local/crime/article239494813.html (https://amp.miamiherald.com/news/local/crime/article239494813.html)
Epstein’s alleged quadruple murderer cellmate

Jeffrey Epstein’s name was uttered just once in the federal courtroom but his memory hovered like a cloud over Wednesday’s hearing for an ex-cop who shared a cell with him on the day last July when the accused sex trafficker allegedly tried to kill himself.

The former Briarcliff Manor officer, Nicholas Tartaglione, faces a possible death penalty if convicted of the gangland-style killing of four men in a soured drug deal in Chester, about an hour north of Manhattan.

many found it curious that the most high-profile inmate in the nation would be kept in the same jail cell as an alleged quadruple killer.

Photos of Tartaglione, published at the time in the tabloid press, showed him with bulging, hulk-like muscles, although in court Wednesday he had shed some of the intimidating bulk.
...
Media reports citing unidentified law enforcement sources suggested at the time that the ex-cop might have actually tried to kill Epstein, possibly to prevent him from testifying about friends and associates. The disgraced financier was friends with both former President Bill Clinton and President Donald Trump, among other influential people.

Arguing before U.S. District Judge Kenneth Karas, defense lawyer Bruce Barket said video of the incident would back up Tartaglione’s story that he alerted guards to Epstein’s plight. That fact could be used before a judge and jury.

The problem is that the Bureau of Prisons says it no longer has the video. It was accidentally destroyed. Barket called for a special hearing to explore why. The fact that the video is gone, which was reported earlier this month to great consternation, was yet another embarrassment for the Bureau of Prisons, which was eviscerated for failing to safeguard Epstein for trial.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on January 27, 2020, 11:11:16 AM
This is never going to happen.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/27/nyregion/jeffrey-epstein-prince-andrew.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/27/nyregion/jeffrey-epstein-prince-andrew.html)

Prince Andrew Offers ‘Zero Cooperation’ in Epstein Case, Prosecutor Says
The United States attorney in Manhattan said the prince had not responded to their requests.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Stwood on January 28, 2020, 05:31:02 PM
Queen might throw him under the bus, but doubtful she'll let the dogs have him.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on February 21, 2020, 06:19:30 PM
They have done a great job making people forget about this.  No camera data released.  No autopsy data revealed.  No prisoner or guard testimony.  All records sealed by court.  it is like they are practised at making evidence disappear.

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/exclusive-florida-feds-knew-york-victim-epstein-indictment/story?id=69088738 (https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/exclusive-florida-feds-knew-york-victim-epstein-indictment/story?id=69088738)

Exclusive: Florida feds knew of New York victim in Epstein indictment 11 years earlier
Before her testimony could be secured, Epstein cemented a controversial deal.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Stwood on February 21, 2020, 07:32:21 PM
I've seen zilch in the news lately
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on February 23, 2020, 08:07:08 AM
Here we go again.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/philip-haney-dhs-whistleblower-during-obama-era-found-dead-police-say (https://www.foxnews.com/us/philip-haney-dhs-whistleblower-during-obama-era-found-dead-police-say)
Philip Haney, DHS whistleblower during Obama era, found dead, police say

https://noqreport.com/2020/02/23/friends-of-philip-haney-no-way-he-would-have-taken-his-own-life/ (https://noqreport.com/2020/02/23/friends-of-philip-haney-no-way-he-would-have-taken-his-own-life/)
Friends of Philip Haney: ‘No way he would have taken his own life’
Things seemed to be going well for DHS whistleblower Philip Haney. Then, he allegedly drove somewhere and shot himself. Some things just don't seem to add up.


He was scheduled to be married later this year. Friends who talked to him before his disappearance on February 19th say he’d “never been happier” and that there’s “no way he would have taken his own life.” But law enforcement appears to be treating this as a suicide. Hopefully, this is a smokescreen and they’re at least considering the possibility he was murdered.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Mr. Bill on February 23, 2020, 09:29:18 AM
b]Philip Haney, DHS whistleblower during Obama era, found dead, police say[/b]

How is this related to Epstein?
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on February 23, 2020, 10:38:57 AM
How is this related to Epstein?

Same MO and all the same people.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Mr. Bill on February 23, 2020, 05:33:29 PM
Same MO and all the same people.

Same as Epstein?  One was hanged or strangled in a prison, the other died by gunshot in a rural area.  One was a wealthy pedophile and buddy of many of the rich and famous, the other was a Homeland Security agent and whistleblower.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on March 06, 2020, 09:51:51 AM
Same as Epstein?  One was hanged or strangled in a prison, the other died by gunshot in a rural area.  One was a wealthy pedophile and buddy of many of the rich and famous, the other was a Homeland Security agent and whistleblower.

MO - modus operandi i.e. mode of operating. "A modus operandi (often shortened to M.O.) is someone's habits of working, particularly in the context of business or criminal investigations"  The use of hitmen to remove someone whom you fail to silence via threats and then leverage contacts to get them eroniously ruled suicide is an MO.  This person was about to give incriminating sworn testimony to DOJ about activities of certain high profile individuals...the same individuals as Epstein was alleged to have info on,  His previous info was proven accurate and he was soon to restart his work within the security agency.  And just like Epstein, he told his associates he feared for his life and had no intention of committing suicide.

By the way, they have now walked back the suicide determination.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/philip-haney-death-whistleblower-obama-fbi-homeland-security-a9362061.html?amp (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/philip-haney-death-whistleblower-obama-fbi-homeland-security-a9362061.html?amp)
Philip Haney: FBI to investigate death of DHS whistleblower, initially thought to be suicide

The FBI will investigate the death of a Department of Homeland Security (DHS) whistleblower who was found dead in California last Friday.

Philip Haney, who spoke out against his own agency during the Obama administration, was found in a park and ride area near Plymouth, California, with what the Amador County Sheriff's Office initially said appeared to be a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

However, those initial reports have been described as “misinformation” and have been walked back in a statement from the sheriff's office, which also confirmed the FBI will be assisting the investigation. 


Back to Epstein, looks like a hitman in the prison would have had access to whatever they needed, not only phones to recieve orders and coordinate activities (as previously documented) but weaponry including firearms and compliant guards

https://www.foxnews.com/us/loaded-gun-jail-jeffrey-epstein-suicide.amp (https://www.foxnews.com/us/loaded-gun-jail-jeffrey-epstein-suicide.amp)
Loaded gun found in jail where Jeffrey Epstein killed himself

Federal investigators found a loaded gun Thursday that had been smuggled into the jail where Jeffrey Epstein killed himself last summer, following a weeklong lockdown that turned up other contraband and led to a criminal probe into guard misconduct, the federal Bureau of Prisons told The Associated Press.

The handgun was located by Bureau of Prisons officers inside a housing unit at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in Manhattan, prison officials said in a statement to the AP. It marked a massive breach of protocol and raised serious questions about the security practices in place at the Bureau of Prisons, which is responsible for more than 175,000 federal inmates, and specifically at the jail, which had been billed as one of the most secure in America. Officials have not said where specifically the gun had been found, or how it had been smuggled inside the jail.

Meanwhile, federal prosecutors opened a criminal investigation into potential misconduct by guards, focusing on the flow of contraband into the lockup uncovered during the search for the gun, three people familiar with the matter told the AP. They were not authorized to discuss the investigation and spoke on condition of anonymity.

Attorney General William Barr named a new director last week to take charge of the agency, which has been the subject of intense scrutiny since Epstein took his own life while in custody in August. But the agency has been plagued for years by serious misconduct, violence and a chronic staffing shortage
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on April 14, 2020, 04:00:21 PM
https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/04/14/appeals-court-sides-feds-on-jeffrey-epstein-deal-186099 (https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2020/04/14/appeals-court-sides-feds-on-jeffrey-epstein-deal-186099)
Appeals court sides with feds on Jeffrey Epstein deal
Divided ruling savages prosecutors, but says victims did not have legal right to be consulted


The 2-1 decision from the Atlanta-based 11th Circuit Court of Appeals said prosecutors did not violate a federal victims rights law by leaving victims in the dark as a deal was cut a decade ago that headed off potential federal sex-trafficking charges against Epstein in exchange for guilty pleas to lesser state charges.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Stwood on April 14, 2020, 05:48:11 PM
Jeff and buddies seems to be a non issue these days.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on May 09, 2020, 07:51:07 PM
Jeff and buddies seems to be a non issue these days.

The politicians have been too busy bailing out Harvard with taxpayer dollars to release the autipsy report or remove the gag order.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2020/05/01/jeffrey-epstein-harvard-report/?outputType=amp (https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2020/05/01/jeffrey-epstein-harvard-report/?outputType=amp)
Jeffrey Epstein had his own office at Harvard University — after he was convicted as a sex offender

Jeffrey Epstein had an office at Harvard University and visited that department dozens of times after he was released from prison, according to a review of the school’s ties to the financier and convicted sex offender.

Epstein had a key card and passcode to the building housing Harvard’s Program for Evolutionary Dynamics, where an office was set aside for his use, according to the review released Friday. Epstein used the space to meet with professors from Harvard and other institutions and visited the building more than 40 times between 2010 and 2018, typically accompanied by young women serving as his assistants. He furnished it with a rug and photographs, and it was known as “Jeffrey’s office,” according to the report.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: surfivor on May 11, 2020, 12:45:40 PM

speaking of Harvard .. I thought it was interesting that Xi Jinping's daughter is also probably doing graduate studies at Harvard ..

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3796172
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on May 27, 2020, 10:51:22 AM
 :o

https://nypost.com/2020/05/27/book-claims-bill-clinton-had-an-affair-with-ghislaine-maxwell/ (https://nypost.com/2020/05/27/book-claims-bill-clinton-had-an-affair-with-ghislaine-maxwell/)
New book claims Bill Clnton had an affair with Ghislaine Maxwell

Bill Clinton had an affair with British-born socialite Ghislaine Maxwell, who is accused of helping recruit underage victims for notorious pedophile Jeffrey Epstein, according to a blockbuster new book.

The ex-president — who denies cheating on wife Hillary Clinton with Maxwell — reportedly engaged in the romps during overseas trips on Epstein’s private plane, a customized Boeing 727 that’s since become known as the “Lolita Express.”

The nation’s 42nd head of state also repeatedly sneaked out to visit Maxwell at her Upper East Side townhouse, as detailed in this exclusive excerpt.


(https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2020/05/bill-clinton-with-ghislaine-maxwel-in-epstein-airplane-1.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&strip=all)
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Stwood on May 27, 2020, 03:17:47 PM
If Hillary  ever decided  to unload her secrets about Bill, that would probably cover another book or 2
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Morning Sunshine on May 27, 2020, 03:58:57 PM
If Hillary  ever decided  to unload her secrets about Bill, that would probably cover another book or 2

people might actually BUY that one...
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on June 08, 2020, 11:54:49 AM
Book and Netflix documentary has really put the pressure on.  Will Andrew flip on the Clintons?

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/06/08/uk/prince-andrew-us-doj-epstein-investigation-gbr-intl/index.html (https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/06/08/uk/prince-andrew-us-doj-epstein-investigation-gbr-intl/index.html)
US demands Britain hand over Prince Andrew to be quizzed over Epstein link, as he says he offered help three times
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Stwood on June 08, 2020, 12:25:05 PM
Book and Netflix documentary has really put the pressure on.  Will Andrew flip on the Clintons?



We can hope. He's probably on Hillarys list though
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on June 24, 2020, 08:13:27 PM
Looks like Clinton's reported mistress is home free.

https://nypost.com/2020/06/22/authorities-are-letting-epsteins-fixer-ghislaine-maxwell-get-away/amp/ (https://nypost.com/2020/06/22/authorities-are-letting-epsteins-fixer-ghislaine-maxwell-get-away/amp/)
Authorities are letting Jeffrey Epstein’s fixer Ghislaine Maxwell get away with it

We got Osama bin Laden, but we can’t catch a repulsive fugitive socialite?

Since the death of sex trafficker-rapist-pedophile Jeffrey Epstein last August, the woman who allegedly recruited his many, many underage girls and sexually abused them herself has been in hiding.

And Ghislaine Maxwell has hardly been moving cave-to-cave.

Most recent reports put the 58-year-old in a luxury apartment in Paris, right off the Champs Elysees.

At the risk of stating the obvious, Paris, too, is on COVID-19 lockdown. The Sun reports that Maxwell is currently living on Avenue Matignon in the city’s 8th arrondissement, in an apartment reportedly owned by a Normandy-based millionaire.

This would put her just five minutes away from the late Epstein’s own Parisian apartment, which was raided shortly after his suicide.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on July 02, 2020, 08:29:55 AM
Looks like Clinton's reported mistress is home free.

Holy cow, they got her!  Let's hope they do a better job of protecting her than they did with Epstein.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/02/nyregion/ghislaine-maxwell-arrest-jeffrey-epstein.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/02/nyregion/ghislaine-maxwell-arrest-jeffrey-epstein.html)
Ghislaine Maxwell, Associate of Jeffrey Epstein, Is Arrested

Ghislaine Maxwell, the former girlfriend and longtime associate of the disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein, was arrested Thursday in New Hampshire on criminal charges linked to his alleged sex-trafficking operation, according to a law enforcement official.

Ms. Maxwell was accused in an indictment of recruiting and grooming “multiple” girls, including one as young as 14, for Mr. Epstein, who sexually abused them. She also faces perjury charges.

The arrest came nearly a year after Mr. Epstein was charged in a federal indictment with sexually exploiting and abusing dozens of underage girls at his mansion in Manhattan, his estate in Palm Beach, Fla. and other locations between at least 2002 and 2005.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Stwood on July 02, 2020, 09:02:06 AM
 8)
I figured they were just going to forget about her.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Hurricane on July 02, 2020, 02:52:39 PM
I saw this on Ghislaine last summer. Sounds like she would be an interesting person to know. How did someone this intelligent get mixed up with Epstein?

Quote
Maxwell went on in her adult life to earn licenses to pilot submarines, helicopters, ROVs and AUVs – which she described in interviews as “remote and tethered vehicles off the back of boats for doing underwater exploration.” Maxwell was also known to have become a qualified emergency medical technician and was fluent in several languages. She no longer holds an FAA certification despite once being listed as a licensed pilot.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/a-look-at-ghislaine-maxwell-jeffrey-epsteins-alleged-recruiter
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Morning Sunshine on July 02, 2020, 03:05:05 PM
I saw this on Ghislaine last summer. Sounds like she would be an interesting person to know. How did someone this intelligent get mixed up with Epstein?
https://www.foxnews.com/us/a-look-at-ghislaine-maxwell-jeffrey-epsteins-alleged-recruiter

feed her hobbies?
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on July 02, 2020, 03:05:28 PM
I saw this on Ghislaine last summer. Sounds like she would be an interesting person to know. How did someone this intelligent get mixed up with Epstein?
https://www.foxnews.com/us/a-look-at-ghislaine-maxwell-jeffrey-epsteins-alleged-recruiter

Big question is: Why did she leave the security of Europe to come back to US where she knew feds were trying to track her down?  Maybe she needed to get to some liquid assetts? 
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on July 02, 2020, 04:54:56 PM
She was holed up in a million dollar anonymous safe house.  But lots of rumors she was ratted out by a staff member.

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/07/02/ghislaine-maxwell-appears-in-court-on-jeffrey-epstein-sex-crime-case.html (https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/07/02/ghislaine-maxwell-appears-in-court-on-jeffrey-epstein-sex-crime-case.html)
Judge sends Ghislaine Maxwell to New York to face criminal child sex charges linked to Jeffrey Epstein

Maxwell was ordered into the custody of the U.S. Marshals Service to be transported to federal district court in Manhattan for a hearing on whether she should be granted bail pending the outcome of her case, in which she also is charged with perjury.
...
prosecutors had asked that Maxwell be detained without bail after her arrest Thursday morning in Bradford, New Hampshire.

Prosecutors had cited her risk of flight, her possession of multiple passports and her significant wealth in making that argument.

No court hearing has been set yet for Maxwell in Manhattan.
...
Maxwell, 58, was arrested at a 156-acre property in Bradford on a six-count indictment that was issued by a grand jury in Manhattan federal court.

The property had been purchased in December for $1 million by a limited liability corporation set up to conceal the actual buyer's identity, according to prosecutors.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: fritz_monroe on July 02, 2020, 05:01:11 PM
I hate to be this way, but I predict that she's going to be dead by August.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: LvsChant on July 03, 2020, 06:04:42 AM
Yes, DH and I were speculating about how she also might hang herself. She no doubt knows a lot of the same stuff tptb were afraid of from Epstein. Think of all the movers and shakers in the world who have already been linked to Epstein and his sordid world - Clinton, Prince Andrew...
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Stwood on July 04, 2020, 12:54:58 PM
Any death/accident reports leaked out yet?

Pistol mysteriously fell from Marshal's holster while doing a transfer of Maxwell, and discharged, hitting Maxwell in the temple, killing her.  ???

Or??
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on July 05, 2020, 11:13:29 AM
https://nypost.com/2020/07/04/whos-afraid-of-ghislaine-maxwell-everyone-on-this-list/amp/ (https://nypost.com/2020/07/04/whos-afraid-of-ghislaine-maxwell-everyone-on-this-list/amp/)
Who’s afraid of Ghislaine Maxwell? Everyone on this list

And her friend, TV host Christopher Mason, said he believes she had access to videotapes from all of Epstein’s properties — and the footage has gone missing.

“I’m sure she has access to the videos,” Mason said. “A lot of powerful people will be more than a little worried.”
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Stwood on July 05, 2020, 11:32:53 AM
Smart gal I think, with an over active sex drive.
She probably stored all that stuff when Jeffery was first arrested.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on July 13, 2020, 10:13:58 AM
https://nypost.com/2020/07/12/ghislaine-maxwell-reportedly-being-moved-from-cell-to-cell/amp/ (https://nypost.com/2020/07/12/ghislaine-maxwell-reportedly-being-moved-from-cell-to-cell/amp/)
Ghislaine Maxwell reportedly moved from ‘cell to cell’ to avoid assassins
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Stwood on July 13, 2020, 10:12:35 PM

So which guard will inherit some gold coin..........
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on July 31, 2020, 12:01:07 PM
Now we know why they spent a fortune trying to keep records sealed.  Will be interesting to see if Hillary Clinton continues the "forgive" response.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/bill-clinton-visited-jeffrey-epsteins-private-island-unsealed-court-documents-suggest (https://www.foxnews.com/us/bill-clinton-visited-jeffrey-epsteins-private-island-unsealed-court-documents-suggest)
Bill Clinton visited Jeffrey Epstein’s private island, unsealed court documents suggest

The lawyer asked her to clarify what she was referring to when she mentioned Clinton, and she said the former president was on the island. She said Maxwell was also there, as well as a person named “Emmy” and two young girls.

“And were all of you staying at Jeffrey’s house on the island, including Bill Clinton?”

“That’s correct," she responded. "He had about four or five different villas on his island separate from the main house, and we stayed in the villas.”

Giuffre said sex orgies were a common occurrence there.


https://amp.smh.com.au/lifestyle/gender/hillary-clinton-it-took-an-enormous-amount-of-forgiving-20200708-p55a5a.html (https://amp.smh.com.au/lifestyle/gender/hillary-clinton-it-took-an-enormous-amount-of-forgiving-20200708-p55a5a.html)
Hillary Clinton: 'It took an enormous amount of forgiving'
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on August 18, 2020, 02:07:38 PM
They have pictures of Clinton 'receiving favors' from Epstein's victims. Even these PG rated ones are being taken down from all social media networks despite being confirmed and published in overseas media (and it looks like some US outlets are now publishing too).  This is Chauntae Davies whom Clinton denied ever meeting and Hillary and Joe demonized when she came forward.  Now we know why they tried everything to stop Maxwell from being caught.

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/08/18/19/32093410-8639501-Clinton_then_56_had_complained_of_having_a_stiff_neck_after_fall-a-30_1597775965150.jpg)

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/08/18/19/32093408-8639501-Bill_Clinton_is_seen_enjoying_a_neck_massage_from_a_Jeffrey_Epst-a-27_1597775965119.jpg)
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/08/18/19/32093404-8639501-Davies_who_has_claimed_she_was_raped_by_Epstein_after_being_recr-a-28_1597775965131.jpg)

Also, here is an image from one of the 'Lolita Express' rooms on plane which he frequented.

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/08/18/19/32094160-8639501-She_previously_said_she_was_invited_to_join_the_trip_one_week_be-a-32_1597775965243.jpg)
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/08/18/19/32100110-8639501-Epstein_was_accused_of_using_his_private_plane_to_transport_unde-a-36_1597775965307.jpg)
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on August 18, 2020, 02:34:52 PM
Talk about cleaning house. Yikes!

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12401072/prince-andrew-bill-clinton-pics-epstein-maid-died/amp/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12401072/prince-andrew-bill-clinton-pics-epstein-maid-died/amp/)
MAID OF DISHONOUR Prince Andrew, Bill Clinton and others pose for chilling pics with Epstein’s ‘complicit’ maid who died mysteriously

(https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/AD-COMPOSITE-Andrew-2.jpg?strip=all&quality=100&w=620&h=413&crop=1)
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Stwood on August 18, 2020, 08:47:13 PM

It will eventually all come out.
Bets on Maxwells's life span?
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Morning Sunshine on August 18, 2020, 08:54:54 PM
It will eventually all come out.
Bets on Maxwells's life span?

I maintain that if she is smart, she has already released everything to someone - or a program - that will release EVERYTHING the moment she dies.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Docwatmo on August 19, 2020, 06:10:15 AM
I maintain that if she is smart, she has already released everything to someone - or a program - that will release EVERYTHING the moment she dies.

I agree.  And she will release a few "Sacrificial Lambs" to the slaughter to appease everyone and it will all go back under the rug.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: DDJ on August 19, 2020, 10:48:18 AM
Did the federal judge whos son and husband were shot answering the door have something to do with the case.  I saw something on Facebook (I do not trust that as a source).  The shooter then committed suicide (right).
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on August 19, 2020, 11:00:18 AM
Did the federal judge whos son and husband were shot answering the door have something to do with the case.  I saw something on Facebook (I do not trust that as a source).  The shooter then committed suicide (right).

Yes, she did.  But it appears the shooting had nothing to do with the Epstein case.  The shooter was involved in another case with her and was lashing out over that.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on August 23, 2020, 09:37:33 AM
Facebook has been disabling the anti child trafficking groups and twitter has been closing down the corresponding hashtags since the newest round of Clinton-Epstein evidence broke.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Efz_MH6VAAI_JPz.jpg)

Rose McGown, founder of the 'me too' movement is hammering the Democratic party for using their power and connections with tech companies, the media, and Hollywood to protect Clinton and Biden.

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/rose-mcgowan-slams-joe-biden-democrats-monsters-frauds (https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/rose-mcgowan-slams-joe-biden-democrats-monsters-frauds)
Rose McGowan unleashes fury against Joe Biden, Democrats: 'You are monsters, frauds'

"You are the season of darkness. @JoeBiden @dnc You are monsters. You are frauds. You are the lie,"
...
"What have the Democrats done to solve ANYTHING? Help the poor? No. Help black & brown people? No. Stop police brutality? No. Help single mothers? No. Help children? No. You have achieved nothing. NOTHING."
...
"American voters/cult members have been hoodwinked for years into believing they have to live with a lesser of two evils. Wake up. Demand more,"
...
“I get asked a lot if I ever liked working in Hollywood. My answer is no. I never did. It was a means to my end. My goals. My Hollywood was a job filled with mostly sociopathic predators shooting damaged fish in a barrel,”
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Morning Sunshine on August 23, 2020, 10:03:49 AM
Facebook has been disabling the anti child trafficking groups and twitter has been closing down the corresponding hashtags since the newest round of Clinton-Epstein evidence broke.



seriously?  oh my.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on August 23, 2020, 10:30:21 AM
seriously?  oh my.

Yep.  And there were hundreds of rallies across the country yesterday but national media blotted them out.  Why, because most ralliers know people in positions of authority have been involved:

https://kfor.com/video/“save-the-children-rally”-draws-hundreds-to-downtown-okc-some-question-the-belief-behind-the-social-media-trend/5786121/ (https://kfor.com/video/“save-the-children-rally”-draws-hundreds-to-downtown-okc-some-question-the-belief-behind-the-social-media-trend/5786121/)
“Save the Children Rally” draws hundreds to downtown OKC, some question the belief behind the social media trend

The leftist media is doing everything to position the Clinton/Hollywood/Academia-Epstein ties as unfounded conspiracy theories.  This requires shuting down all discussion of photos, flight logs, victim testimonies, etc.  The only way to do that is to deplatform all the human trafficking activists as they know it is very real.

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/savethechildren-qanon-pizzagate-facebook-block-hashtag-1041812/ (https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/savethechildren-qanon-pizzagate-facebook-block-hashtag-1041812/)
What Is #SaveTheChildren and Why Did Facebook Block It?
A legitimate cause has been co-opted by conspiracy theorists
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on August 26, 2020, 08:00:32 PM
Oh no.  They have put her in a room by herself with, just like Epstein,  only "guards" seeing her. Judge rejects her pleas to have other witnesses.  Ironically, judge argues keeping her isolated is a matter of security despite that predicating Epstein's demise.

https://www.newsweek.com/ghislaine-maxwell-ordered-remain-isolation-pending-epstein-abuse-trial-1527711 (https://www.newsweek.com/ghislaine-maxwell-ordered-remain-isolation-pending-epstein-abuse-trial-1527711)
Ghislaine Maxwell Ordered to Remain in Isolation Pending Epstein Abuse Trial

Ghislaine Maxwell must remain in isolation on the orders of a judge
...
She applied to be moved to the general population of the prison with her lawyers complaining about the impact Epstein's death has had on her treatment.

His dead body was found hanged by a sheet at his jail cell while he awaited trial on new abuse charges, leading to claims of foul play.
...
District Judge Alison Nathan rejected the 58-year-old's application meaning she must remain in isolation
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Stwood on August 26, 2020, 08:38:21 PM
Ut Oooo.  ???

Her Hotness may not be around much longer
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on September 22, 2020, 05:58:20 AM
Incoming!

https://nypost.com/2020/09/21/names-from-jeffrey-epsteins-flight-logs-could-be-revealed/amp/ (https://nypost.com/2020/09/21/names-from-jeffrey-epsteins-flight-logs-could-be-revealed/amp/)
Names from Jeffrey Epstein’s flight logs being probed, reportedly causing ‘panic’

The top prosecutor in the US Virgin Islands is seeking more than 20 years of flight logs from Jeffrey Epstein’s fleet — a move that’s stirred up “panic among many of the rich and famous,” according to a new report.
...
Back in 2009, pilot David Rodgers provided logs that revealed that Prince Andrew, Bill Clinton, Kevin Spacey and Naomi Campbell were on board Epstein’s “Lolita Express” jet, according to the report.
...
“The records that have been subpoenaed will make the ones Rodgers provided look like a Post-it note,” a legal source told the outlet. “There is panic among many of the rich and famous.”
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: David in MN on September 22, 2020, 07:01:13 AM
I heard a story that fit this really well. I can't remember the source but the main point was modeling. It's already a system where young girls are judged (literally) on their looks and told how to present themselves. There's an old joke about the fashion industry that it basically is old gay men putting young women in fetish wear. (Don't believe me look up Thierry Muglar.) Is it that odd to think that an industry which makes its bread and butter shuttling young women all over the globe to different fashion houses might be trafficking?
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on September 23, 2020, 03:10:47 PM
More and more people are coming forward with details and evidence of Clinton's relationship with Ghislaine Maxwell. 

https://nypost.com/2020/09/22/bill-clinton-secretly-met-with-ghislaine-maxwell-report/amp/ (https://nypost.com/2020/09/22/bill-clinton-secretly-met-with-ghislaine-maxwell-report/amp/)
Bill Clinton reportedly met secretly with Ghislaine Maxwell for ‘intimate dinner’

Bill Clinton secretly met socialite-turned-accused sex-trafficker Ghislaine Maxwell for an “intimate” dinner in 2014 — well after allegations that she and perv pal Jeffrey Epstein had abused at least one teen, a report said Tuesday.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: fritz_monroe on September 23, 2020, 04:34:42 PM
More and more people are coming forward with details and evidence of Clinton's relationship with Ghislaine Maxwell. 
Extremely surprising.  Could this mean that the Clintons have lost a lot of their pull in politics?  Why else would people be willing to come forward?

Of course it could very well be distraction.  After all, we all know that Slick Willy is a horn dog that can't keep his pants on.  Maybe drawing attention to him is taking it off of others that are still in the game.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Morning Sunshine on September 23, 2020, 05:14:46 PM
Of course it could very well be distraction.  After all, we all know that Slick Willy is a horn dog that can't keep his pants on.  Maybe drawing attention to him is taking it off of others that are still in the game.

this^^^
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: David in MN on September 24, 2020, 07:14:46 PM
Maybe we want to rethink this. I've had a boxing trainer pull my shoulder blade up and help reset my shoulder when I had an impingement. Nobody had any question that he was acting in my best interest and health as he had the experience and saw my movement was limited. That old Mexican boxing trainer made me realize that my left arm was actually numb because of the impingement and my fellow boxers turned yellow looking at how I was suffering when he fixed it.

The president of the USA certainly could use a readjustment. The best person to provide that is 100% not an underage girl. There are a myriad of professional strength trainers, coaches, kinisiologists, and massage experts from all corners of the world. Having a child rub up on you is not the same.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on October 20, 2020, 12:28:51 PM
https://www.npr.org/2020/10/20/925739704/jeffrey-epstein-update-court-says-ghislaine-maxwells-deposition-can-t-remain-sec (https://www.npr.org/2020/10/20/925739704/jeffrey-epstein-update-court-says-ghislaine-maxwells-deposition-can-t-remain-sec)
Jeffrey Epstein Update: Court Says Ghislaine Maxwell's Deposition Can't Remain Secret
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on October 22, 2020, 11:24:03 AM
They released the deposition but redacted all the names!

https://www.thedailybeast.com/epstein-confidant-ghislaine-maxwells-deposition-is-unsealed (https://www.thedailybeast.com/epstein-confidant-ghislaine-maxwells-deposition-is-unsealed)
Epstein’s ‘Madam’ Ghislaine Maxwell Accused of Sending Girls to His Powerful Friends

Four years after her confidential deposition in one victim’s lawsuit, Maxwell’s answers to under-oath questioning provide a deeper look into Epstein’s trafficking ring ahead of her criminal trial scheduled for next year.

On Monday, the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ordered the unsealing of Maxwell’s 2016 deposition from a now-settled defamation suit filed by Virginia Roberts Giuffre, who claims Maxwell and Epstein trafficked her to powerful men for years. When a notorious photo emerged of Britain’s Prince Andrew with his arm around a young Giuffre, it revealed Maxwell grinning in the background.

It was Giuffre who claimed Maxwell dispatched her to give massages to Epstein’s pals, whose names are redacted in the deposition. In other documents from the same case, Giuffre named many men in the trafficking ring, including hedge funder Glenn Dubin and Prince Andrew, who have both denied the accusations.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Stwood on October 22, 2020, 07:32:10 PM
Sounds about normal on the coverups. Judges must be paid well under the table.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on October 23, 2020, 06:53:03 AM
Uh oh. They redacted the index which means you can see where the redacted words are alphabetically. Most of the statements about secret helicopter rides, visiting the island, and having "interactions" with underaged females refer to someone whose name is seven letters long and comes between clients and clocks.  I wonder who that could be?  Look at all those references!

(https://compote.slate.com/images/21c069db-ed9a-4b22-a06c-92f4ac248cc6.jpeg)
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Docwatmo on October 23, 2020, 11:25:08 AM
Haaaa.    Now THAT is some good detective work. LOL
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Mintbird on October 23, 2020, 01:23:42 PM
Uh oh. They redacted the index which means you can see where the redacted words are alphabetically. Most of the statements about secret helicopter rides, visiting the island, and having "interactions" with underaged females refer to someone whose name is seven letters long and comes between clients and clocks.  I wonder who that could be?  Look at all those references!

(https://compote.slate.com/images/21c069db-ed9a-4b22-a06c-92f4ac248cc6.jpeg)

How clever! +1
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: iam4liberty on October 23, 2020, 03:43:36 PM
Can't take credit as, believe it or not, it was some of the media companies like Slate who first noticed that you could decode several of the names this way.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Mintbird on October 23, 2020, 04:50:46 PM
Can't take credit as, believe it or not, it was some of the media companies like Slate who first noticed that you could decode several of the names this way.

It's clever and you posted it here.  :)
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: Stwood on October 24, 2020, 07:08:10 AM
Lets see. Name starts with clinton.
Title: Re: The Jeffrey Epstein Tail
Post by: David in MN on October 25, 2020, 10:54:07 AM
There is something swirling in the zeitgeist. Let me set the stage... The former Republican speaker of the house did prison time for child porn and the Democrats never bring it up. Hillary Clinton is married to a man credibly accused of rape and her best friend Huma was married to a guy who sent lewd photos to a 15 year old girl. John Edward had a secret family, Arnold Schwarzenegger had a secret kid, and Elliot Spitzer was "Client #9" in a prostitution ring. We still haven't been told what all those emailed food words were code for in Pizzagate; we must be content with knowing the Podestas are innocent and just enjoy collecting art depicting children in sadomasachistic acts.

Where does that put us in 2020? The sitting president is asked to disavow QAnon in a debate with no reason to bring it up. We learned the Queen of England can shut down pedo stories at ABC. The federal courts are so interested in our safety they will block the names of Epstein's clientel.

I'm not making a grand conspiracy claim. But when anyone with a hint of power is telling you "nothing to see here" I don't believe any of it. There is meat on this bone and everyone is playing dumb.