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Title: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: mesta26 on December 21, 2010, 07:38:55 PM
I was thinking about this today.  My wife loves dogs and we raise bullmastiffs, I was trying to think of a better dog come SHTF and I couldn't.  Bullmastiffs are incredibly loyal, fierce, and physically impressive animals.  But I am sure many will have other opinions as to the ultimate SHTF dog, so let's hear em!
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: javabrewer on December 21, 2010, 07:48:51 PM
Hunting and defense dogs that are good with the family and easily trained.  I'd like to submit the Labrador: great hunting abilities, smart, learns easily and is eager to please, forms a great bond with the family and is large and loud enough to thwart intruders and/or alert you to danger.   
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: mesta26 on December 21, 2010, 07:54:16 PM
I agree with you on the hunting aspect, a dog that can help get food in any way would be highly valuable.  As far as threat deterrent though, maybe a 7 on a scale of 1 to 10, they just aren't that scary.  But depending on your needs you may be right.
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: Rishmoca on December 21, 2010, 08:04:39 PM
I also second the lab.  But one needs to access thier own needs.  Will they need a defence dog, working dog, hunting dog.  Each would require a different breed. Also interaction with kids could be a big factor. Also consider the area you live - urban or rual. AZ or AK. You would not want a Huskie in AZ or a Ridgeback in Alaska.
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: 19114life on December 21, 2010, 08:06:43 PM
I have to agree with the Mastiff breed. We have a English Mastiff and she is so gentle with the kids.  She hears everything and I def. wouldn't want to break in a house with a Mastiff standing guard.
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Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: excaliber on December 21, 2010, 08:08:55 PM
I'd have to vote for the Pit Bull

I've had several, and if raised right are a great dog


they are EXTREMELY territorial, they know what is there home.

they are obedient

they are smart

according to several books they have the ability to distinguish between a "good person" and someone there to do harm.

they really are great with kids, they are super tolerant, to things like their tails and ears being pulled, or stepped on etc.

and they are not a hyper spastic dog even as a pup, they are calmer than most.

they have been used to hunt hogs down here as well as other animals, round up cattle, etc

it is a DEFENDER and will protect you in a SHTF situation,

not to mention the "fear" people have of the word Pit Bull.

the pit bull does NOT even make the top 10 list of reported dog attacks per ca-pita,

it does however rank #1 in severity


mine sleeps on the foot of the bed, and is a big baby, but no one knows it, everyone is scared as hell when they first see him
and he heads over to "check them out"

and if there is a creek, crack or pop in the house, he is up and gone to investigate.

and if someone comes to the front door, he barks and growls like crazy. usually he is going nuts before they get to the door, he hears them pull up and shut their truck door.

 I could not ask for a better protector, I honestly believe if I got in to a physical confrontation with someone he would be right in there.



my dog Boo, and my boy wrestling


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and he is a smart dog as you can see.



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Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: BigDanInTX on December 21, 2010, 08:14:21 PM
I don't remember where I read or heard it, but they had outside dogs and inside dogs.  Their neighbor's dogs would warn their bigger outside dogs, which would warn the smaller ("yippy") inside dogs if anything was incoming.  This would mean bigger dogs.  I do agree that training would be key to ensure they're not barking at the wildlife (other than predatory type animals).

Although, you probably would want something that can be trained to watch your butt in SHTF.  Check out what breeds they recommend for K9 dogs and go from there.  Those breeds are obviously able to be well-trained in both discipline and defensive purposes.  Just keep that in mind.  =-]
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: mesta26 on December 21, 2010, 08:20:45 PM
Awww he is cute!  I would submit that a pitbull may be a better defender in an urban or crowded environment because often larger breeds suffer in these areas specifically,  and people are often scared of them for no reason.  That being said my pitbull, may she rest peacefully, could not match the damage that could be done by a larger animal.
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: mesta26 on December 21, 2010, 08:26:15 PM
19114life, that is a nice looking mastiff you got there!
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: excaliber on December 21, 2010, 08:32:56 PM
I have to agree with the Mastiff breed. We have a English Mastiff and she is so gentle with the kids.  She hears everything and I def. wouldn't want to break in a house with a Mastiff standing guard.

ohh, Hell no! I could not afford to feed that thing, I guess it could pull double duty as maybe a Horse.
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: 19114life on December 21, 2010, 08:39:06 PM
19114life, that is a nice looking mastiff you got there!

Shes a bit bigger now.  She was about 130 lbs then.  Now shes right around 190.  Here dad was just a monster.  I think he weight in at 215

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ohh, Hell no! I could not afford to feed that thing, I guess it could pull double duty as maybe a Horse.
The horse part is about right, she can pull like one.  I weigh 250 lbs and she can pull me across the ground on my back.  Funny story how that happened but she did pull me.
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: mesta26 on December 21, 2010, 08:42:05 PM
Two of mine are in the 200-220 range, and another female that is lighter. Pound for pound my little female is the toughest one of em all.
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: lmeehan1332 on December 21, 2010, 08:44:22 PM
A relatively new breed is the dogo argentino this fearsome breed is used to hunt large game such as bear and wild boar. They are reported to be impervious to pain extremely loyal and deadly to intruders
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogo_Argentino (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogo_Argentino)
http://www.dogo.org/ (http://www.dogo.org/)
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: MTUCache on December 21, 2010, 09:26:28 PM
I'm a big fan of large dogs. In fact, I'd love to own a Bull Mastiff, but in a SHTF scenario I think you're going to have to address some serious trade-offs.

If you've got plenty of food stocked, available, and you're able to bug-in, a large protective dog like this is going to be a life-saver. (Assuming of course that you've stocked food for them as well, you don't want to be spending half your energy feeding an animal who eats as much as you do.)

If you're separated from that food supply, bugging-out, or stuck in some very cramped conditions, I can see many scenarios where they'd be a pretty difficult hindrance to your efforts.
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: CombatPeds on December 22, 2010, 12:55:55 AM
I am going to go with the Anatolian Shepherd.  They are large, imposing, and very useful.  We have had them for several years and livestock guardian dogs with great success.  They are gentle to their owners, death to opossum and raccoons, and can function independently for long stretches of time.  They do eat a fair amount, but with the aforementioned supplementation of opossum and raccoon, it isn't bad.
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: daved on December 22, 2010, 03:20:05 PM
I'm a big fan of large dogs. In fact, I'd love to own a Bull Mastiff, but in a SHTF scenario I think you're going to have to address some serious trade-offs.

If you've got plenty of food stocked, available, and you're able to bug-in, a large protective dog like this is going to be a life-saver. (Assuming of course that you've stocked food for them as well, you don't want to be spending half your energy feeding an animal who eats as much as you do.)

If you're separated from that food supply, bugging-out, or stuck in some very cramped conditions, I can see many scenarios where they'd be a pretty difficult hindrance to your efforts.
I agree with the food aspect. For something short term a large breed would be great. For longer term disasters though I see it being a big problem to keep them fed. I guess it would be fine as long as you store dog food to last the same amount of time as food for the people in your family. I'd hate to have to make the decision on either not feeding the dog, or knowing that by doing so I am reducing the amount of food for everyone else.
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: sdcharger on December 22, 2010, 03:27:25 PM
Bigger dogs = more meat ;)
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: mesta26 on December 22, 2010, 03:30:06 PM
In a true long term SHTF, intruders might make a decent dietary supplement :)
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: sdcharger on December 22, 2010, 03:34:31 PM
Good point.  Besides, I like my dog more than most people!
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: Teancum on December 22, 2010, 03:43:14 PM
I've been thinking about getting Redbone Coonhound or a Rhodesian Ridgeback.  The sad fact, however, is that I love dogs and am pretty alergic to them.  I've had family suggest Labradoodles, but I have a hard time with that one.
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: 19114life on December 22, 2010, 04:40:40 PM
Good point.  Besides, I like my dog more than most people!

I have to agree on that. ;D
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: Sister Wolf on December 22, 2010, 05:19:19 PM
Teancum, our girl is a pitbull/rhodie mix.  Rhodies are some of the damndest dogs out there.  They're so dang smart, and lovable, and awesome.

If you have a chance to own one, I highly recommend it.

Oh, and for the record, Golden Doodles are GREAT dogs (never met a labradoodle, so I can't attest to their intelligence or lack thereof).  They suck at "guarding" anything, but they are so sweet, and so pretty, and SMART as a whip (comes from the poodle side, I think).  And they don't shed (er... most of them don't).  We met a full sized Golden Doodle last time we were out in Havesu.  I'd drop $2000 on a dog like that one any day of the week.  They're not as "foofy" as you might think.  The one we met was HUGE, and quiet, and just an all around great dog.  They almost look like a mix between an irish wolfhound and something with silky soft hair.  Beautiful animals.

Anybody who has owned a poodle will attest to their intelligence.  I'd own a poodle in a heartbeat (though I'd prefer a standard size over the itty bitty ones).

I'd never own a lab again.  They've got about half a brain and that's it (or at least, that was the case with the 3 I've owned over the years).

I LOVE pit bulls.  They have the most personality of any purebred dog I've ever met, and as others have mentioned, they're downright intimidating when they need to be, regardless of their size.

I really really like Alaskan Malamutes, but you've gotta be prepared for the shedding.  My old girl (Charlie) used to shed sweaterfulls of fur every year in late spring.  It was miserable.  Of course.... if you're good at that sort of thing, you could harvest their fur for spinning into yarn.  ;D

I love mastiffs for the same reason that I love pit bulls.  Only problem is that they are heart breakers (IMO).  They don't live long enough.  I don't think I could handle losing my sweet mutt every 6 or 7 years.

And then there's my hubby's favorite dog breeds:

Border Collie - smart as a whip, not so great at being a ferocious guard dog, though.
Viszla - fantastic hunting dog, wouldn't know how to be mean if their life depended on it and has no undercoat, so needs to be inside.
Rhodesian Ridgeback - great all around guard dog and family dog.
Springer Spaniel - Fantastic little mutt for everything from cuddling to hunting.  Not so good for guarding.

Hell... I guess we just love dogs.  :D
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: Leonidas on December 22, 2010, 05:26:22 PM
I was thinking about this today.  My wife loves dogs and we raise bullmastiffs, I was trying to think of a better dog come SHTF and I couldn't.  Bullmastiffs are incredibly loyal, fierce, and physically impressive animals.  But I am sure many will have other opinions as to the ultimate SHTF dog, so let's hear em!

Whichever one I have at the Time...

They all Taste Nice, when your Hungry ;)
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: OKGranny on December 22, 2010, 06:43:29 PM
A couple of things to think about. If you intend to love in the country and have chickens or ducks does that dog know not to hunt them and kill them? A SHTF or any crisis situation is not the time to be trying to break a dog from hunting yours or your neighbors fowl. I never met a dog I didn't like as long as it was trained. Pit Bulls are wonderful when trained and treated right, my little black chihuahua is best friends with a big pit, they spend hours together. Breaking a lab puppy from killing chickens was a nightmare. Dry dog food can get bugs if stored too long and not be worth anything. One advantage of my (definitely NOT) yappy little house dogs is that 1/4 cup of food a day keeps them fat and sassy and they could care less if it's dog food or people food or somewhere in between, just as long as it's food. They hear everything and sound alarms. Personally I'd be happy with one or two or more of nearly every breed and a few dozen of the 'daddy was a traveling man' mixes but I couldn't afford to feed that many. Dogs are just good people.
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: monkeyboyf on December 22, 2010, 09:48:06 PM
I would have to vote for a well trained German Shepherd for an all around protection, extremely intelligent, faithful to the death  type dog. They are so incredibly smart it's scary. Living alone in BFE would be almost impossible without my Hoffen. She really doesn't eat much in comparison to other dogs that size. At 9 years old and 90 pounds she strikes terror in the heart of strangers. Her only vice is  her quest to kill any cat she sees.  So... don't have any kitties here anymore. :(
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: NWBowhunter on December 22, 2010, 10:00:26 PM
I have to say for ease of care and lower maint a Mutt is the way to go. Especially a mix if it's of a couple of good hunting breeds. Like lab/german short hair mix. Or hunting plus guard dog mix.  My preference for a hunting dog is the German Shorthair, all mine have been way to friendly to be considered guard dogs though.
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: Morning Sunshine on December 22, 2010, 10:21:37 PM
as a kid we had a doberman/german shepard mix, and she was the smartest best dog.
once we were camping in my grandparents RV, and it got stuck at the bottom of the mountain in the recent rain/mud.  My parents got us all out of the RV and started walking us up to the campsite we owned (I guess you could call it a BOL).  I was at most 9, so my sibs were 7 & 5.  We got tired, so mom and dad left us by the side of the dirt road with Dobby.  A neighbor (we didn't know) was worried about us and started to come over to talk to us.  Dobby stood right up, and she had the marking of a doberman, and growled.  neighbor thought "those kids will be all right" and went along his way.  He met up with my parents and told them the story.
This dog was well-loved by all the kids in the neighborhood; they knew her, she would play with them and she loved all the kids.  One time, around my 9th b-day, my parents were going to be gone for a week.  they asked a neighbor girl to come over and stay weith us - her parents would be just across the street were anything to happen.  The first day she had gone to the local amusement park and she had arranged with my parents to just come over when she got home.  I lay down on the couch to wait for her and fell asleep.  I did not hear her knocking, so her brother decided to try climbing in the kitchen window.  This was a kid Dobby knew and liked, but when he tried to enter through the window, she stood up and growled and showed her pointed doberman teeth.  they, and their parents, decided we would be fine that night and our babysitter came over the next morning.  oh, and that next morning, Dobby was just fine with the brother.
I wish I could find another dog like her (she was the second of that mix my parents had had)
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: nkawtg on December 22, 2010, 10:25:43 PM
Three dogs come to mind, a Lab, Husky, or German Shepherd. I've had a Husky/Wolf mix and he was the best dog I've ever had. He's gone now, and is well missed. My Black Lab is extremely loyal, a great barker, great with kids, but not very protective I suspect. I've never owned a German Shepherd but I love the breed and may someday have the fortune of having one.
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: scott on December 22, 2010, 10:32:50 PM
Anyone have or have experience with American Bulldogs?  I'm sort of in love with them.  Can't have one now, have to settle with our little chihuahua who alerts to everything including overhead geese.  If/when we get a little room to roam i'd like to have a couple large dogs.
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: 4bull on December 22, 2010, 11:07:02 PM
Ive had a lot of dog over the years and the best of the best is the mut mix runt.
the uglyer the better, dogs will be soot after just like the cats in the old west and prized.
to large a dog then the shorter there life, to small to fragel, SHTF we will be spending a lot of time with and training them.
i like the red bone but there to friendly,catahoulas are spun way to tight some of them are just crazy but fun to run.
im looking for one to be part of our family not just a pet.
I think a well bread pit is a  great family dog, an inbead pit is a waste of skin.
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: Docwatmo on December 23, 2010, 07:05:09 AM
I have a little terrier and she is 10 times the guard dog any other dog I've ever owned.  Small, doesn't need much food and will let me know if anyone comes within a hundred yards of the house (or longer if she sees them moving),  She has the most viscous growl and bark too.  Far worse than any growl that came out of any other dog I've ever heard. 

She has small dog complex too and will fight (and has scared off) much bigger dogs.  Kind of the best of both worlds.   I think the guard dog aspect in SHTF is more important than any fighting dog ability.  Any dog can be easily killed with a club,  But you have to get close enough to do it and you aren't getting that close to my terrier without me knowing and having time to pick up a rifle.

Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: chrisdm8 on December 23, 2010, 08:58:16 AM
We have two jack russel terrier and one big lab mix mutt. The combination is great. The lab mix is too laid back to be a good guard dog but big enough to be scary, the terrier's are great watch dogs but too small to do anything. When you put them together it's a nice combination. Also, as for hunting ... terriers have their place for flushing out. I watched ours in action a while back and it was impressive how they can use teamwork. The terriers had a raccoon trapped in amongst the grapes. They went in and flushed him out right to the waiting lab mix who promptly dispatched the raccoon with one swift bite and shake.

Two thoughts ... 1) dog work great in groups 2) a well trained mutt can be more useful than a pure bred w/o training with many respects

Final comment, we were at a local winery and they also bred dogs. They were breeding great dane / german shep. mix. Those dogs were the most impressive thing I've ever seen. They looked like 200 lb german shepards w/o marking.
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: Dainty on December 23, 2010, 09:57:24 AM
The best dog for SHTF is the dog you know and trust.

It just had to be said.

If you're looking at small breeds, I'd submit the Xolo, though they come anywhere from toy to mid sized. As an ancient breed they were used as live bedwarmers, hunting dogs, food, medicine, and all-around companions. They naturally come either hairless or coated. The hairless Xolos are very hardy, unlike other hairless breeds. Dark skinned, the most common, requires no sunscreen in the sun and without clothing they are fine even at 20 degrees as long as they have good shelter to come back to.

The breed itself is still quite primal. It is absolutely amazing to watch just how much they sniff (everyone who saw joked about it being part bloodhound) and how accurate their alerts are. Anything unusual and they alert to it instantly, and not necessarily with a bark. They're known to only bark when needed. They do not have the high biddability of retrievers but they are extremely smart, the kind of breed that needs stimulating experiences and training in order to keep it from going bonkers. And yet this same dog will still happily snooze at your side. They are very much "velcro" dogs.

The hairless variety is especially useful as a living "hot water bottle". The Aztecs used this breed to warm people who were ill, in fact, sleeping with Xolos became the "cure all" of the time and the dogs were even eaten out of the belief that their meat was medicinal. A modern twist is that these dogs are now actually being utilized as service dogs by those suffering debilitating chronic pain.

That being said, probably the two best breeds for guard/intimidation purposes would be either a pitbull or a german shepherd. But as others have alluded to it isn't so much the breed as it is the actual dog that's important and how it benefits the family.
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: Nicodemus on December 23, 2010, 12:34:55 PM
I'd have a tough time picking a breed for solely SHTF scenarios. I've been close to every dog that has ever been my canine companion and when I think of them I don't want to think of them in the position of giving their lives up for mine. It would be similar to me thinking about sending my little niece into a fight. So, I probably wouldn't choose a fighter.

"Trouble! Run away doggie and save yourself while I take care of this!" :crazy:  :D

I probably wouldn't go for an enormous breed fearing that if times got too lean it might be tough to feed the dog.

I'd also stay away from any breed that has a list of well known medical problems or was considered a short lived breed.

Through my life I've had the pleasure of the company of a Collie, a Bloodhound, a German Shepherd, a Black Lab an Irish Terrier and now a Miniature Collie. All of them were great alert dogs, fiercely loyal, mostly obedient and a number of them good protectors. The Miniature Collie we have now is a little bit of a hardcase, but we rescued her from the SPCA and though she's learned a lot, she still has a few bad habits that surface from time to time, hence the mostly obedient notation.

So, I guess my primary concern would be an alert dog with good eyes and ears that would hopefully be more of a deterrent than a dog I would want to jump into danger, a loyal family dog that would listen and respond to commands. With this in mind, it's really going to come down to training because a lot of dog breeds fit this role.

I'd also think about having a breeding pair, because it isn't like dogs would be easy to come by in a long term SHTF scenario. The pups might even be a commodity.

"How can he think about dogs as part of the family and consider the possibility that the puppies might be a commodity?"  >:(

I know, I know...
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: Dan on December 23, 2010, 05:16:58 PM
Go to the dog breed info center (http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/search.htm) and take the quiz to see what breeds they recommend for you. There may be a breed or two that you haven't considered or didn't even know about.

As much as I love Rottweilers I don't think it would be my pick. Like other big dogs they can eat you out of house and home when times are good much less if the SHTF. No, I think I would go with a medium sized breed they live longer, it would be possible to have a breeding pair or more with the same food supply and they could perpetuate their numbers if only for a short time. Another benefit is they could overcome an intruder with superior numbers rather than brute force. Two is one, one is none. An intruder may be able to fend off a single dog, even a large one, but when the pack comes at them from multiple directions even medium size dogs would be intimidating. Remember, if the situation was bad enough long enough people would need to be careful about injuries, even small ones.

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Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: pamela on December 23, 2010, 05:20:28 PM
I love dogs, but wonder if a person is trying to hide and lay low, if a dog might put them at a disadvantage.
Unless you could keep the dog quiet it might give away your  location by barking.

I have 2 dogs BTW. LOL
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: Have-Gun-Will-Travel on December 26, 2010, 11:32:18 AM
SHTF dog is one that you could eat if things got that bad
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: flagtag on December 26, 2010, 01:39:36 PM
SHTF dog is one that you could eat if things got that bad

 :'(
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: homeshow on December 26, 2010, 06:42:46 PM
we have a collie mix (border, standard, and australian) she looks like a short haired Lassie.  loves us let's us take her food bowl away regularly and is very energetic and hates strangers.  good dog

we also have a great Pyranese mountain dog (mostly 7/8) he'ss 7 monhs old and 80+ pounds allready loves me and the wife and is friendly to whoever we bring to him.  a jaw that could crack hickory.  and a member of a breed well known for killing everything unwelcome in it's territory.

so we have a guardian dog and a herding dog.  also get a dog suited to your environment.  it's 15 degrees out tonight.
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: The Wilderness on December 26, 2010, 08:03:37 PM
SHTF dog is one that you could eat if things got that bad

Have-Gun-Will-Travel, joking or not, do not ever mention anything like this on this forum again.

You have been warned, I suggest you hear it well.

TW
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: ncjeeper on December 26, 2010, 08:37:52 PM
I would have to vote for a well trained German Shepherd for an all around protection, extremely intelligent, faithful to the death  type dog. They are so incredibly smart it's scary. Living alone in BFE would be almost impossible without my Hoffen. She really doesn't eat much in comparison to other dogs that size. At 9 years old and 90 pounds she strikes terror in the heart of strangers. Her only vice is  her quest to kill any cat she sees.  So... don't have any kitties here anymore. :(
X2
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: PowerJoker6.0 on December 27, 2010, 07:23:18 AM
im looking into getting myself either a belgian malinois or a GSD, just cant make up my mind though.
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: TwoBluesMama on December 27, 2010, 07:51:43 AM
The best dog for SHTF is the dog you know and trust.

Um - what kind of dogs do I love.  Let me think a minute.  Um - oh yeah - Heelers!  See picture at left!

Seriously we've been owned by many dogs over the years, shepherds, shepherd/coyote mix, golden retriever, hybrid wolf/shepherd  and now the Blues (dad and son) and I agree with Dainty - your dog is the best dog during stressful times.  They know you and if you've raised them well they will do anything including defend your life.  I have no doubts that my boys will fight to protect me with everything they have. They are very protective and together they are frightening but also loving and gentle with us and family.

Besides old Blue picks up his toys when asked.  Takes the stuff scattered through the house and deposits them into a basket in the kitchen, herds the chickens in without scaring them when needed and absolutely hates it when girls cry - he goes crazy and will literally climb into your lap! My heart will break when I lose him and he is getting old.  I try not to think of this ever but know the day will come.
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: ChEng on December 27, 2010, 04:19:04 PM
I have to say for ease of care and lower maint a Mutt is the way to go. Especially a mix if it's of a couple of good hunting breeds. Like lab/german short hair mix. Or hunting plus guard dog mix.  My preference for a hunting dog is the German Shorthair, all mine have been way to friendly to be considered guard dogs though.

Our dog is also a mutt, and as far as guarding goes, he is more of an alarm ("Yippee! someone is coming to pet me!!!!" :clap:) rather than a "go-out-on-patrol-and-blast-them-all-back-to-the-stone-age" type  :censored:.  Of course, since he has come to adopt us (he is nice enough to let us think that we adopted him), I would be in big trouble with the wife and kids if I even mentioned the possibility of him not coming.  Sooo,,, He has some food in our storage (we did get bugs earlier, so now the dog food gets frozen and will be vacuum sealed when we get that sealer.
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: monger20 on December 27, 2010, 09:24:22 PM
I'd have to go with our Wolf (http://i936.photobucket.com/albums/ad207/monger20/Cheyenne.jpg)

She is amazing. She has traits from many breeds; she points, retrieves, cuts & herds. Smart, good with kids, longevity & nothing sticks to her coat. She gets wet & doesn't stink. INSTINCTS - not much gets buy her.

Does anybody know of a good wolf/mix sire?
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: amanadoo on December 28, 2010, 01:19:11 PM
Jumping in to say that the first dog I thought of reading this thread was Jack the bulldog from The Little House books. Obedient and loyal, even when they basically left him to drown, poor guy.

I don't think it does much good to get a dog NOW based solely on what one thinks would be the best dog for SHTF. Who knows what the world will be like if that ever happens....and we will all probably have very different needs for any animal we choose to keep when that happens, than what we need right now. I think that if you need a guard dog now, that's what you should get...if you need a hunting dog now, that's what you can get. Etc...

If there is a big event, once it's over and the world has started picking up the pieces and restructuring, I think that people will again want dogs solely for companionship. So, if your dog survives the big event with you, you'll probably be grateful for him on the other side regardless of what strengths he brings to the table initially. How many times have you seen homeless guys with their dogs? Dudes barely holding on to life, still find a way to keep their buddy alive and with them.
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: reefmarker on December 28, 2010, 03:41:08 PM
Sister Wolf touched on Border Collies, but Australian Shepard is my pick. 

Smart as a border collie, but not as crazy.  Also, much larger and with the lion's mane of fur around thier chest they look even bigger.  Everyone is absolutely terrified to step onto my property while my dog is out.  She is also gentle enough to not mess with the cats or our small dogs.  She has massive territorial instincts, but stops as soon as she is submitted to (which can be pretty funny to see, when another dog is upside down in the yard and can't move without fear of another knock down.)  The Ausies tend to knock down their victims first with a head butt.  When she was a puppy I had a bunch of very bruised shins.  The only bad trait is hearding, which she has had trained out of her.  When she was little, if it was not moving she had to make it move, and if it was moving she had to make it go another direction.

They are also an air scent dog so they can detect sent trails in the air better than most dogs.  Most dogs are ground scent dogs and require a scent trail on the ground.  This is also very cool to watch, she will turn her head to one side, stick her nose up, and then take off for whatever she smells long before the tree rat or rabbit makes it into the open.

They are great with kids and love to be petted and taken care of. 
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: OzarkThumperGirl on December 28, 2010, 07:56:43 PM
I know Jack mentioned Black Mouth Cur's as good dogs so I went out to my local humane society and found a Pit/Mountain Cur mix.  He was my Christmas present to myself and boy is he a dandy! His name is Deebo.  He is very gentle and loves people, kids, dogs and cats but I can tell he's going to be an excellent guard dog.  Since he is a Pit mix, the humane society had already been training him under their "Pit Program" so he would be more adoptable.  Deebo has been an excellent addition to the family!  :)

(http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z244/ttutor/Pet%20Photos/172.jpg)
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: Sister Wolf on December 28, 2010, 08:12:19 PM
he's sooooo cute!!!!!
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: NWBowhunter on December 28, 2010, 08:34:32 PM
 OzarkThumperGirl that's good lookin dog. Congrats
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: OzarkThumperGirl on December 28, 2010, 08:58:53 PM
Thanks Sister Wolf and NWBowhunter!

Now if I could just convince the cats he's okay!
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: ncjeeper on December 29, 2010, 12:02:38 AM
How old is the dog? Will it grow any bigger?
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: gundog on December 29, 2010, 06:37:50 AM
I think the best all around dog for SHTF might be a GSD.

But I think you have to choose the breed you love........they bring so much more than "protection".......in fact I think the fighting or protection you get from a dog not trained to do so is negligable at best and could be a detriment to the situation at worse.

To me a large dog with a fierce bark and a serious demeanor who does not bite is the best of both worlds.

Labradors are my choice of breed. There are many badly bred labs out there, being popular has really increased the number of labs from backyard breeders and puppy mills. You need to do your homework to get the lab that fits you best and does not health issues.

(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc33/gundogpa/GEDC0502.jpg)
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc33/gundogpa/L1070578.jpg)
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc33/gundogpa/L1070534.jpg)

We also have a Rat Terrier, an american breed similar to the JRT. He is our alarm system. Nothing happens anywhere around us that he does not know about.
(http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc33/gundogpa/100_2045-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: madcap1one on December 29, 2010, 10:47:58 AM
Love the GSDs, had two as a child/teen but man do they shed... No idea how my mom, who ran a home cleaner than most operating rooms put up with them (other than she liked the dogs more than her children - with good reason!)

The better half and I have two Boxers currently, and I sometimes wonder if they have any capacity whatsoever to protect us. Sure they bark at strangers, but about the only aggressive trait I have observed is in response to evil squirrels - and I am not sure that is aggression as much as frustration that the squirrels won't get close enough to play with.

One note, with bully breeds such as Boxers - which we had trouble training (since we were unreasonably stupid and took two pups from the same litter) one of the useful things we did, and which has direct prepper application, is to give them a job/role to play in the pack/family unit. For us, with bully dogs who like to pull on leash, we bought them backpacks and loaded them down. Some weight, a positive pulling outlet, hauling their own gear/BoBs/food, getting in some puppy exercise, a win all around. A further note on this topic - should you decide to try this, spend no money and jury rig an old backpack or duffel to try it out once or twice. Then spend the extra money on a really high end bag custom made for your pup if you decide to proceed with this plan. The general retail bags for dogs at your local Pets R Us chain - are a waste of money and effort.
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: OzarkThumperGirl on December 29, 2010, 11:33:00 AM
How old is the dog? Will it grow any bigger?

The humane society thinks he's around 11 months old.  He weighs 55 pounds so I don't think he'll get much bigger.  He might fill out more after he gets neutered in January.
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: PAprepared on December 29, 2010, 11:48:15 AM
Funny you should ask. One of my favorite breeds has always been an American Bulldog. If you check the breed characteristics they have everything one would want in BOL/Homestead protection. A good, hardy working dog with strong alliances with its masters and more importantly their children. During the great depression they were often called "the babysitting dog" because they are so good with small children. People would just leave their toddler in the back yard with these 100 pound bruisers!

http://www.yourpurebredpuppy.com/reviews/americanbulldogs.html (http://www.yourpurebredpuppy.com/reviews/americanbulldogs.html)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQ52Iiq9_QA# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQ52Iiq9_QA#)

We just got a female in Oct, she is now 6 months old. Smart as a whip and was a breeze to train. She will eventually be between 75-90 lbs and is a natural guard dog.

We love our big bully!!!!
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: CharlieFoxtrot on December 29, 2010, 03:09:44 PM
Here's ours.  10 months old and 90 lbs.  Already an amazing watch dog.
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g61/ericfrommd/Holidays2010065.jpg)
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: Sister Wolf on December 29, 2010, 03:40:28 PM
Looooooove Rhodies!  Congrats on the beautiful pup!
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: Morgan96 on December 29, 2010, 05:13:57 PM
A well trained attack toy poodle will leave your enemies incapacitated with helpless laughter.   ;D

(http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac100/morgan9696/IMG_1047.jpg?t=1293667922)
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: CharlieFoxtrot on December 29, 2010, 07:48:38 PM
Looooooove Rhodies!  Congrats on the beautiful pup!

Thanks.  He's been such a positive addition to the family and a perfect companion for two high energy boys.
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: CalGal on January 02, 2011, 05:18:50 PM
German Shorthaired Pointer. Strong, healthy, good family dog, pointer and retriever...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Shorthaired_Pointer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Shorthaired_Pointer)
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: TexDaddy on January 02, 2011, 08:16:55 PM
A well trained attack toy poodle will leave your enemies incapacitated with helpless laughter.   ;D

(http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac100/morgan9696/IMG_1047.jpg?t=1293667922)
Well, it certainly worked on me.  :rofl:
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: joeinwv on January 02, 2011, 09:10:48 PM
I have a lab/chow mix. Looks and acts exactly like a black lab, but is fully grown at 40 pounds. I would say any of the hunting / herding dogs are going to be useful, because they are bred specifically for those jobs.

My dog sounds like a much bigger animal and we have spent a lot of time with him on when to bark at things. If my chihuahua barks, I yell at her to shut up. If the lab barks, I go look.

The other day he came to me on the couch, got right in my face and started barking. He then went to the front of the house - 5 seconds later the door bell rang. Just the neighbor telling me our car lights were on, but that is exactly what I want my dog to do. Use his superior nose and ears to give me advance notice someone is near the house.

I think the very large breeds will be a liability due to their size and appetites.

The smaller terriers are very tenacious on a pound for pound basis. We had mini schnauzers when I was growing up and the neighbors rotty would not set foot in our yard.

If I had more land, I would get a doberman without hesitation. Smart, loyal dogs and I just think they are a great looking dog. I like rottys, but the lighter, sleeker look of the dobie does it for me.
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: Oregun89 on January 02, 2011, 10:54:08 PM
I've had incredible results with the shepherd mix I found at the Humane Society almost 5 years ago.

I've never had a dog so intelligent and strong. She has adapted to every situation i've presented to her. She doesn't need a leash; she doesn't cower to gun shots; she will attack and defend when she deems it necessary. She's a damn good dog, and I wouldn't trade her for anything.

I have my opinions (medium sized shepherd mutts make the best dogs for SHTF) on what makes the best dog, but it seems that every man has his type. Choose the dog that you KNOW is right.

This pic was taken just after a 5 mile, 4300 ft. climb.
(http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb416/Oregun89/IMG_0034.jpg)

(http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb416/Oregun89/IMG_0023.jpg)

See her ability to adapt as she lounges on the couch next to me.

(http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb416/Oregun89/DSCN0715.jpg)
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: TexDaddy on January 02, 2011, 11:04:55 PM
That may be the most beautiful dog I have ever seen Oregun89. I have always been partial to GSDs. but that mix of yours is awesome.
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: NW Martster on January 03, 2011, 08:18:25 AM
I'll let y'all take a guess at what dog I have. 

<-------Hint.

Yeah she can eat, and eat a ton.  Yet in a SHTF scenario her abundant cheerfulness and intelligence make up for it.  I swear she knows when I've had a bad day at work and she can cheer me up every time.  I swear she has an advanced degree in cute.  She also is very alert, and protective of the family.  I'll pack a ton ( and do) of extra food just to have her with us. 
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: TwoBluesMama on January 03, 2011, 09:10:10 AM
Oregun89 - what a beauty!  We had a black wolf/shepherd that looked very similar except he had yellow eyes. Loved that dog - great protector.  I don't know what I'd do without my buddies - they are truly a comfort to have around.  I know in SHTF that I'd fight just as hard for their well being and safety as I would for anyone else.
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: 4bull on January 03, 2011, 07:53:21 PM
Oregun98, thanks for the pic, reminded me of the dogs ive seen surviving in abandoned parts of the big citys.
Thay have pointed mosel most are dark if not black with small shepard shaped head,tall in the front
shorter in the rear. solid dog mix , there always seams to be one of these leading a pack.
rail yards ,old warehouse districts ,abandonded nebrhoods they have to be tough to survive
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: drozzle on March 21, 2011, 10:06:04 AM
I am going to go with the Anatolian Shepherd.  They are large, imposing, and very useful.  We have had them for several years and livestock guardian dogs with great success.  They are gentle to their owners, death to opossum and raccoons, and can function independently for long stretches of time.  They do eat a fair amount, but with the aforementioned supplementation of opossum and raccoon, it isn't bad.
Oh wow you have a Anatolian shepherd thats awesome so do i mines almost eleven months and way around 135 Pound's. He is defiantly the dog i would have when TSHTF he's fast, smart, strong, huge, has a very powerful bite, and he doesn't eat a ton
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: buffalosoldier on March 21, 2011, 11:39:02 AM
I have two bulldogs, specifically OEBs, a recreation breed trying to get back to what bulldogs looked  and were like (health temperment and obedience wise) before the banning of bullbaiting in the late 1800's. A cross breeding of English Bulldog, bullmastiff, and APBT.
The male, who was the runt of his litter is 85-90lbs, the femaleis approximately the same weight but taller at the shoulder. They are considerate, loving, eager to please dogs who have shown they have a rather protective streak. They are the perfect SHTF dogs for me and mine. I don't need a hunting hound, and wouldn't have the time to give one the training and excerise without which it would be cruel to keep one. They are perfect deterrent/guard dogs, moderately large, very intimidating looking, gentle with children, alerting me whenever anything larger than a cat comes near the house. I have no doubt they would physically defend the persons and property in my home in the future, and am sure their presence alone has saved me grief in the past.


An anecdote :
The wife and I, to save up money during the second year of our marriage while i was in school, moved into a double with another couple, we had the upstairs. Older house, big fenced yard, and the rent was a pittance I could pay with a part time, freeing up more of her fulltime income. Difficulty? it was on Buffalo's east side.

This is a crime map for those unfamiliar with the area, look at the mid to left and lower left portions... Yep, that bad..
http://spotcrime.com/ny/buffalo (http://spotcrime.com/ny/buffalo)

I should have put my foot down and said no, but she really was convinced that this was the best financial decision to stay out of debt/eliminate what we had. I had grown up in rougher and I have streetsmarts, but the wife was very very suburban and I was worried about what would happen to her. Over my own objections we moved (Lesson: Safety first, money second, lesson: put your foot down when you have to)

On the day we moved in, the neighbors all came out, and just watched. Everytime we moved in something that was kinda nice, you could see them talking among themselves. The front door had a very nice, very sturdy wrought iron portcullis, and I heard one say 'I wonder if they have the guad door on the back.'. At that point I put down my end of the sofa, causing my friend/landlord to look at me funny. went to my car, got out my gun case and brought it in the home. It is an obvious gun case. I figured that would put them on notice as to me being a man willing to defend his property. No reaction. I guess they were inured to the idea of men with guns, didna even phase them. Here comes my wife, in her cute like car, and pulls up, opens the fence gate, and lets the dogs into their new yard for the first time. All those same people immediately looked horrified and went back inside. We lived their for a year and as soon as I graduated we moved out of the city. The neighbors during that time were loud, obnoxious, violent people. To eachother. They would cross the street rather than come near our fenceline. I am positive that if it were not for my dogs, we would have been robbed.
My landlord was too, as soon as my dogs and us moved out, Bud the APBT was moved in.

Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: preppermedic on March 22, 2011, 09:57:07 PM
I know this is going to make someone unhappy.   But in a SHTF scenario while your  dog may be your buddy.  Over time there will be dogs that will have to be dealt with.  I don't remember the exact site where I came across this but dogs will tend form packs and start hunting to survive. And that means that cute little poodle could be the bait for a group of larger dogs that are working their way in position to make you a meal.  As an example; I was coming home from work the other morning about 0300 and as I pulled up to an intersection, I heard a coyote howling.  I put my spot light on him and he got up and stretched and went back to barking.  His intent was to draw out a dog from the housing addition and have a meal. This urban dweller was not worried about me!   So In a Real SHTF of any time frame loose running dogs will have to be dealt with using extreme prejudice.
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: Rustler3 on March 23, 2011, 12:18:56 AM
I currently have a lab and a Pitbull.  If I had to chose any dog I've ever owned it would be my Pit.  Many of the same reasons that I have seen posted here.  On top of that, I have seen her protect my kids by instinct only and that means the world to me.   One thing I haven't seen talked about, she also only eats when she needs too.  I know many breads will eat until there isn't anything left.  My lab is this way... 

I tried posting pics but didn't seem to work.
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: sdcharger on March 23, 2011, 01:49:48 AM
So In a Real SHTF of any time frame loose running dogs will have to be dealt with using extreme prejudice.

Pack of wild dogs killed my buddies horse.  This was rural CA in the 80's.  His dad took care of most of the dogs with his 30-06.

So yes, packs of wild dogs = stew meat in a SHTF situation.

As far as what dogs are good, I've seen some nice options and some not as good options.  I think overall the single most useful dog is the Rottweiler.  They are not only fierce and protective but they can be used as draft animals.

About 95% of pittbulls are garbage animals.  If you have a good one then they are great animals.

Labs and Retrievers would make a good meal but not much else.

Small dogs would make good bait to bring in packs of meaty dogs.

The most important dog truism is that 2 dogs are better than twice as good as 1 dog.
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: buffalosoldier on March 23, 2011, 07:04:25 AM
I think it more depends on what YOU need out of a dog.

You looking for a hunter/bird dog? You probably would be poorly served by my bulldogs.

You looking for a Guard/Watch dog? Step away from the Brittany spaniel.

You want a herder/draft dog to guard your livestock? Doberman is not really gonna do you a whole lot of good.

Man has had dogs since the beginning (I am not getting into a debate on what you think the beginning is), and has been developing breeds since shortly after the discovery of rocks, each with a specific job in mind. Whether bird dog Y is better than bird dog X is a matter of no small (and often humorous) debate. But if your survival plan depends on using your dog for X purpose, and your dog was never bred for that purpose... you are gonna have a rough time teaching him to do it well.

So I guess is, pick your purpose, and that will dang near pick your own dog.


/start threadjack

*shrug* I disagree firmly about your percentage of pits being garbage animals. I have seen far fewer maladjusted APBT than I have other dogs, especially small companion dogs.

and why is it on every SHTF thread about dogs in any way, someone starts talking about shooting strays?

/end threadjack.
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: maxhedroom on March 23, 2011, 08:08:05 AM
I have a 2 year old OEB and he is great. He is not a hunting dog, he is a companion to our family and while he is a mush, the pizza delivery folks know he has a big bark, and we like it that way. While being strong willed he is the smartest dog I have had, including my rot tie I had for 14 years. If you are not looking for a sporting or herding dog I highly recommend this breed. Everyone I know that has them is totally taken in by the breed.

Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: Xavier on March 23, 2011, 09:42:25 AM
How about an alert dog?

Our little Bichon Frise has great ears, and lets us know whenever he hears ANYTHING outside.

And, a big plus is that he is very smart and eats very little.

Not every dog has to be 200 lbs to be an effective dog.

In a SHTF, my little Bichon will contribute a lot and consume very little.
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: Docwatmo on March 23, 2011, 09:55:18 AM
I have to agree with Xavier.  I have a little half/rat half/pudding terrier.  She is hands down the best guard dog I've ever seen.  Anything within eye or ear sight she knows about it and lets us know.  She is silent until she sees/hears something. Never barks unless she sees or hears something.   She has a vicious growl that will (And has) put much larger "Guard" dogs to shame.  (Hell, she scares the hell out of me when I hear her growl at something LOL).  She eats very little.  Smart and easily trained.  Very territorial but doesn't range far. Never have to worry about her running off.  She is as loyal as they come.  She can handle any terain I can sort of a cliff. 

Her only downfall is cold, she HATES cold weather.  Not equiped for it.  So depending on the temperate region we would be in during SHTF, that may be what puts her down.

Sure, a big dog might do a better job of getting someone off me who is attacking me, but she'd do enough damage do distract them (And having been bit by a terrier (not this one) before, aside from the small weight, it still hurts pretty darn bad.

Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: sdcharger on March 23, 2011, 10:06:21 AM
*shrug* I disagree firmly about your percentage of pits being garbage animals. I have seen far fewer maladjusted APBT than I have other dogs, especially small companion dogs.

Uh huh, but a small companion dog poses no danger to anyone or anything.  Sorry if you don't like my pitbull comment but it reflects the reality of a horrible situation caused by irresponsible people.  The majority of dogs being euthanized are pitbulls, about 60%.  That is sick.  6 out of 10 dogs in America being euthanized are pitbulls.  I have no problem with the breed, only the people causing this atrocity.  I have spent time with some wonderful pittbulls and pitbull mixes.

and why is it on every SHTF thread about dogs in any way, someone starts talking about shooting strays?

For the same reasons we talk about shooting people?  Plus you can eat them without all the taboo.


Why is it that every SHTF thread about dogs has someone defending misunderstood pitbulls and talking about how useful their lap dog is ;)

Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: Thanson_V on March 23, 2011, 11:48:28 AM
I think this thread has the potential to be as dangerous as the Energy Healing thread was. People will have their favored breeds and that's that.

I LOVE bull mastiffs. They are everything you say and more. However in a long term SHTF scenario they are short lived (10 lucky years and only 8 or so of those working, less if they're bred) and prone to many, many medical issues. This applies to most large breed dogs. Anything over 150lbs and you're looking at less than a decade of getting work out of your dog. They will still be able to bark and cuddle, but a 9 year old mastiff isn't stopping anyone who they aren't already laying on top of. They are also slower than other breeds of dogs, which won't help you with dinner, unless you're hunting mammoth. They also eat like horses, because they're almost as big as horses.

I own a pitbull. Honestly they're like a smaller (smarter, sorry) mastiff. They are ideal dogs for a survival situation. They are smart, strong and live 15+ years. You'll likely get 14+ years of work out of them. They've been used as spit dogs, and wheel dogs so you can pump water or generate power with them. Mine already runs on a treatmill and it's only a matter of time before I hook up a generator. They pull more weight per lb of dog than any other dog in the world. A 45lb pitbull can pull an Esclade. They're fierce and tough and tenacious. They're almost as fast as greyhounds, and they're EVERYWHERE. The bad? They have no hair. I live in NH and can't have my dog out in the snow for more than an hour or so or I risk her freezing her tootsies off. She's got a coat and I vaseline her feet up so they won't directly freeze but she has her limits. Warm climates though? Pitt's where it's at.

I set out to get a Newfoundland and got a pit along the way, and I'm not exactly ganstah, they're that cool.

I'd recommend any smart medium sized dogs(with hair). Honestly the extra bite power you get from a pit doesn't matter for much against anyone armed with so much as a pitchfork. If you're keeping your own kennel you have options for some good mutts. And in any survival situation most dogs end up as mutts anyway long term. Not many pure breeds forming packs in Eastern Europe. Dogs tend to settle around 40 or so lbs when they interbreed in the wild. Take a hint from Mother Nature and work with the system, just like you would with Permaculture. Because that's what LTS animal ownership is going to be anyway.

Good list? Border collie, Australian shepherd, Australian Cattle dog, Terriers(All), Ridgeback, Shiba Inu, Corgis, Collies. But in the end you need to get a dog you'll like.
 
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: archer on March 23, 2011, 12:08:59 PM
" But in the end you need to get a dog you'll like. "

+1 Thanson_V
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: johngalt on March 24, 2011, 10:31:02 AM
I had a German Shorthair, and they are awesome dogs - but certainly are not for the faint of heart.  That being said, Ruger has passed along, and since then, we have gotten chickens.  I would like to get another gun dog - probably a Vizsla...

Does anyone have any experience with gun/bird dogs and livestock fowl?  I am sure it will be much easier to train a new puppy with existing birds on the property (as in don't eat the chickens) but are there any tricks or nuances with training - yes hunt this bird, but not those birds?

By the way, any animal that can help put food on the table, or protect it, is, in my book a great dog for when SHTF-- or even if it doesn't.
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: gundog on March 24, 2011, 11:43:19 AM
I had a German Shorthair, and they are awesome dogs - but certainly are not for the faint of heart.  That being said, Ruger has passed along, and since then, we have gotten chickens.  I would like to get another gun dog - probably a Vizsla...

Does anyone have any experience with gun/bird dogs and livestock fowl?  I am sure it will be much easier to train a new puppy with existing birds on the property (as in don't eat the chickens) but are there any tricks or nuances with training - yes hunt this bird, but not those birds?

By the way, any animal that can help put food on the table, or protect it, is, in my book a great dog for when SHTF-- or even if it doesn't.

Well if you get another pointing dog you should have no problem…..the worst they should do is point them. I’m not kidding.

Raising your dog to be a bird dog will only enforce that behavior. Really though you should have no problems. My dogs are interested but not enough to hurt the birds. I usually raise a hundred chukar each year for training birds, they are used to the bird pen. They look in to check them out…..that’s all.

I would be careful with your pup not to let a bird hurt or scare him……and they can. You don’t want to have to deal with that later in your training a bird dog scared of birds is a bear to overcome when you are training.

So in short it shouldn’t be a problem, train up your dog and he’ll know the difference between yard birds and wild birds and you’ll teach him how to turn on (hunting /training) and turn off.
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: cajun68 on March 28, 2011, 10:50:04 PM
I like mixed breeds.  The best dogs i have had have all been strays i got off the street.  I got Dusty from behind the dry cleaners. He never chased the chickens or the goats and followed me every place i went. Also a good squrrel dog.  He would not let strangers out of their car if the family was not home.  My point is dont overlook the stray.
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: Cedar on March 29, 2011, 07:24:44 PM
When I moved from Canada back to the States I re-homed all my draft dogs to working homes and only brought my farm guardian dog down with me. He is a Great Pyrenese X and can be a big baby, but he does stand down bear and cougars which is what his job requirement was.

That said, he also does work in harness and did pull 2-3 days worth of firewood down for me (about 40 rounds) at a time and did haul 300-500 pounds of livestock feed to the barns when the snows were very deep. He will also pack. So currently I would say he is the best dog for me. As large as he is, it is amazing how little food he eats.

I know when I travel, I sleep sound when he is with me as he doesn't bark at anything, but that low grumble of a growl to wake me up in the middle of the night to warn me someone is too close to us (or even a quick nap during the day when I am pushing an 18 hour drive) will get me wide awake in a millisecond, as I know he means business. If you can keep his paws from giving you a black eye (received one from him once), he is also quite warm to snuggle with when you are camping and a bit chilled.

As much as a pain as he can be sometimes and so totally has separation anxiety, he is a great dog. I also like that he is long legged enough to keep up easily and can manuever through snow and often when I had to check fencelines before I had snowshoes, my hand on his back would help me from falling over on my face (or side, or bum or... ).

I know up in the bush when the guys were working in the forests, there are some guys who really like having little terrier type dogs as bear alert dogs as the owner said they are a smaller target for a bear, are quick and persistant. And I have seen 2 Chihuahuas tree a bear in a backyard once.

Cedar
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Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: mwcoleburn on April 05, 2011, 09:19:40 AM
I have my full size Golden Doodle, Snoop. He's a big baby but the one time he thought I was in danger he jumped in front of 2 GSD's and a Pit and growled them down. Kind of funny watching a 60lbs puppy try and protect a 280lbs man but I will never doubt his protection drive again. He's great with the kids and other animals too. He brought me a live baby rabbit last year. Dropped it in my hand unharmed. Incredibly soft mouth.
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: Thanson_V on April 05, 2011, 12:11:21 PM
@ Cedar
Great dog! I'll have to get pics of Belle carting up the AT.
The right dog is definitely the poor man's horse. We've had dogs doing work for us for 11k years horses for around 7k. Survival dog is DEFINITELY a good idea on a small homestead. The big issue is breeding. It's not necessarily ethical to breed dogs in today's day and age. Thousands of dogs go homeless out there every year. I used to place dogs at a shelter and we'd place 30 every week. We were shipping them in from Alabama and the South. A single unfixed dog can be responsable for thousands of puppies in it's lifetime (from grand and great grandchildren). The choice is be ethical and fix your dogs, and run out of dogs in 10 or so years, or have more dogs than you can handle before the SHTF. If you can get friendly with a local breeder before the SHTF you might be able to work out a third option.
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: metatron on April 05, 2011, 12:22:40 PM
Caucasian mountain dog's are my favorite breed.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMwRGVLuq1Y# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMwRGVLuq1Y#)
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: LvsChant on April 05, 2011, 12:57:57 PM
+1 Cedar for the great pictures.

We still love our GSD. They are so smart. Our current GSD was a rescue dog from the DFW place that closed down a year ago in October. She is a bit older, but fits right in with our family. The boys were off camping with the boy scouts this weekend, which made her very nervous. Each time I would go out and come back, she wanted to go out and sniff the vehicle, looking for the boys. She was not happy until the whole pack was back home again.
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: gundog on April 05, 2011, 03:19:44 PM
Caucasian mountain dog's are my favorite breed.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMwRGVLuq1Y# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMwRGVLuq1Y#)

Those sure are impressive dogs!

I don't think I would be interested in having such an aggressive dog though.......lawsuits among other things seem to be in store for an owner.
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: Mike Honcho on April 06, 2011, 02:28:47 PM
Quote from: johngalt
By the way, any animal that can help put food on the table, or protect it, is, in my book a great dog for when SHTF-- or even if it doesn't.

QFT!

In my opinion its gotta be the Rottweiler... I've had Spaniels, Collies, Pits, and Rotties... Despite the many health aspects of having a large breed dog Rotts are by far one of the most loyal and fearless breeds I have owned (not to dismiss the loyalty and fearlessness of the Spaniel mind you; it's a very close second, seriously)... With the Rott the even temperament, confidence and eagerness to please put them an inch above the rest in my book! I just purchased 2 this past weekend, a brother ("Able") and sister ("Passion") for securing my new house...Without a doubt the girl Passion is gonna give my boy Able a run for his money; she's a lil' tuffy - hehe... They're only 4 weeks old now so I have another month to wait, but honestly it's the best purchase I've made in many years! - MH   (R.I.P Boss "Big Daddy" Von Landes)

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Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: Dadgumit on April 06, 2011, 09:44:20 PM
I have been thinking about this question some lately and doing a little research.


One of the dogs near the top of my list is the blue lacy. Great all around. Can heard, scent, bay, fearless, defends family, rugged. Think I'd rather have 2 or three lacys than a dog twice the size.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Lacy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Lacy)


Many other good looks on here though, particularly the GSP.

Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: endurance on April 07, 2011, 09:19:45 AM
You need a dog with mad escape and evasion skills that can hide in trees and pounce on its prey!
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(yes, she got herself into that predicament.  yes, she got herself out)
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: Thanson_V on April 07, 2011, 09:30:27 AM
Perfect sized dog in my opinion. Working dog with working dog energy and instincts. Short coat though, so good for the south but might be rough up north. Same thing I run into with my pit, shouldn't be a problem when I make the move to WV.
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: Mike Honcho on April 11, 2011, 12:24:07 PM
QFT!

In my opinion its gotta be the Rottweiler... I've had Spaniels, Collies, Pits, and Rotties... Despite the many health aspects of having a large breed dog Rotts are by far one of the most loyal and fearless breeds I have owned (not to dismiss the loyalty and fearlessness of the Spaniel mind you; it's a very close second, seriously)... With the Rott the even temperament, confidence and eagerness to please put them an inch above the rest in my book! I just purchased 2 this past weekend, a brother ("Able") and sister ("Passion") for securing my new house...Without a doubt the girl Passion is gonna give my boy Able a run for his money; she's a lil' tuffy - hehe... They're only 4 weeks old now so I have another month to wait, but honestly it's the best purchase I've made in many years! - MH   (R.I.P Boss "Big Daddy" Von Landes)

(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee498/MrHoncho/newpuppies2.png)

Went to see 'em again this weekend; they got bigger and look great... Got more pics (and they're clear this time too):
 
(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee498/MrHoncho/Able.jpg)
Able "Big Abe"
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(Right to left) Able n' Passion

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(Right to left) Able n' Passion

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(Left to right) Able n' Passion

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That's Passion giving my boy a run for his money already!

Just to stay on topic, even though they normally can't climb trees, I still say a Rottie is a great SHTF dog! -MH
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: endurance on April 11, 2011, 01:06:40 PM
Just to stay on topic, even though they normally can't climb trees, I still say a Rottie is a great SHTF dog! -MH
Of course the greatest challenge with these bigger breeds is having the room to store six months of food.  I currenly have about 240 pounds stored and while I haven't watched it closely enough to be certain, I'm pretty sure that's only about four months worth for the girls.

The right dog is the right dog for you.  My girls improve the quality of my life, keep the deer at bay, and let me know if it's the start of squirrel-geddon.
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: TwoBluesMama on April 13, 2011, 07:03:21 AM
Mike Honcho - just gotta say, "Awwww - what a cutie". I love Rotties although have never owned one.  My brother had one and she was such a great dog.

And Endurance - the Blues want to know if your girls give tree climbing lessons! LOL
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: endurance on April 13, 2011, 08:18:46 AM
And Endurance - the Blues want to know if your girls give tree climbing lessons! LOL
Of course.  It's part of their series of courses on how to give the neighborhood squirrels PTSD.*





*Warning:  This course is not approved by the ASPCA or PETA.
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: Mike Honcho on April 13, 2011, 09:29:52 AM
Mike Honcho - just gotta say, "Awwww - what a cutie". I love Rotties although have never owned one.  My brother had one and she was such a great dog.

Thanks TBM! For close to 20 years I've wanted a male Boxer because to me if raised correctly they are as regal looking as it gets...Wifey said she wanted a male Rott and I didn't want my Boxer to be a "punk" (in the prison sense of the word) since the Rott is such a natural Alpha and I've seen some punk acting Boxers... Wifey and I have both separately owned Rotts in the past and she was dead set on us getting one (or 2) together so I just went with the flow...Anyway Wifey switched up last minute and got a female, but at that point I was so stoked about getting another male Rottie I let the Boxer dream go without a fight...

Any dog is a great dog, honestly I love 'em all (as long as they don't pee on my rug); we just all have our preferences... I think in an SHTF situation any animal/pet that keeps your spirits high and helps your outlook is a positive thing; even if it's just a goldfish or imaginary for that matter.. Look at Tom Hanks character in Castaway and imagine what he might have done if he didn't have Wilson... I feel that in order to survive most horrible circumstances one must have something to fight for... "HANG ON WILSON!!!"

-MH
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: Matt.T on April 13, 2011, 08:40:03 PM
I would have to say that my answer depends mostly upon the intent of the owner.

- For personal-defense = German Shepard (loyal, dependable, fierce, won't take sh!t from anyone)

- For hunting/guard dog = Karelian Bear Dog (smaller = less food requirements, very loyal, hard working, cannot be put on a leash and led around)

- For all around =  Czechoslovakian Wolfdog (temperament, pack mentality, and trainability of the German Shepherd and the strength, physical build, and stamina of the Eurasian wolf. Excells at tracking and guarding, known to be fearless, makes the family its pack, very little barking)

(http://illustrateddogbreeds.com/Czechoslovakian_Wolfdog_.jpg)
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: mtman on April 14, 2011, 06:00:58 PM
This is one of my ankle biters. Though he'll just lick ya to death but he will let us know when someone or something is around our home.
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Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: Goatdog62 on April 14, 2011, 08:44:55 PM
SHTF whenever Zoey is around. Still, I like my German Shepherd.

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Sometimes she's sweet...

(http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/4264/zmonster0411.jpg)

Sometimes she owns me.
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: mesta26 on May 05, 2011, 12:35:39 PM
Kind of as an update from my original post, we are expecting 7 to 9 bullmastiff puppies this week.  The amount of people asking me about them has surprised me, the most common reason I have gotten is that "stuff is scary anymore, I want to keep people away."
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: TwoXForr on May 05, 2011, 04:50:10 PM
I think it really is not about the breed, but about picking the right pup. And then proper socialization of the dog.  Breeds are a guideline but I have had two pure bred German Shepherds, one smart and protective, smart.  The one I got now well let's just say she is sweet and good looking, and that is all she has going for her. 
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: Mike Honcho on May 06, 2011, 08:08:24 AM
Kind of as an update from my original post, we are expecting 7 to 9 bullmastiff puppies this week.  The amount of people asking me about them has surprised me, the most common reason I have gotten is that "stuff is scary anymore, I want to keep people away."

Congrats on your puppies!


My pups came home on Wednesday  ;D


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Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: TexDaddy on May 06, 2011, 09:13:59 AM
Goatdog, those puppies are so cute!. They look just like their daddy.  ;)
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: Dadgumit on November 12, 2011, 12:42:29 PM
I've been thinking about getting Redbone Coonhound or a Rhodesian Ridgeback.  The sad fact, however, is that I love dogs and am pretty alergic to them.  I've had family suggest Labradoodles, but I have a hard time with that one.

Don't let the name fool you, by all reports they are bad a dogs.

Standard poodles on their own don't get their proper respect, I consistently see them in the top 2 or 3 in breed intelligence rankings (http://petrix.com/dogint/intelligence.html for instance). They are breed atheletes who's stupid haircuts came trying to keep their joints warm and reduce weight (hence the puffs of hair over hips etc...) 

If I was an allergic dog lover, i would def be checking this breed out (as well as other poodle crosses). I also hear schnauzers are more allergy friendly.

Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: NorIDhunter on November 13, 2011, 06:50:42 AM
Jmtc. the best SHTF dog is the one that does the job YOU need it to do.
Similar to your firearm, a small handgun might be best while you're working in the garden, a .30-06 will reach out and touch that deer at 200 yds.
Do you have livestock that needs guarding while you're catching some zzzzz's?
Need to keep rats or other vermin out of your preps or garden?
Are you bugging in or out? 
Living in a BOV?
Etc, etc.
Our Mini Schnauzers, Mitzi & Jaeger, are maxi murder when it comes to squirrels, mice etc. Doesn't take up much room in the car and a 40 lb bag of kibble lasts much longer.
My Lab, "Magnum", will find anything and most times bring back, I can shoot. In cold or heat, snow, ice or big water or thick timber.
Anyone that doesn't think Labs can be intimidating hasn't heard 80 lb Rebel (avatar dog)  on the other side of the front door. You just don't get that same effect from say a Pekinese.

Purebreds have unfortunate tendencies toward hereditary conditions like hip dysplasia  & cancers due to irresponsible breeding. Crossbreeds don't necessarily get the best of both (or more) breeds involved, sometimes it's the worst.
Imo, like most other things, it's a trade off.

But in 99% of cases, whatever you choose, that 4 legged companion will gladly lay down it's life for you it's human. And there's no greater job or love I can ask for than that.

Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: Texasbound on November 13, 2011, 09:53:45 AM
The two dogs I have now are absolutely perfect in every way for my needs.  They are pit/hound/god-knows-what crosses.  On my 5 acres out in the woods, there isn't a squirrel to be seen.  They have been taught to leave chickens and penned rabbits alone.  Wild squirrels/mice/rabbits are fair game and regularly supplement their dry food.  Bo (the daddy) makes sure to 'help' when I mow the meadow.  He kills all the field mice as they get flushed out.  They will flush wild turkeys for me, chase off armadillos, raccoons and kill snakes.  They don't eat as much bought food as you'd think due to catching some of their food.

They've been trained to be either inside or outside dogs (but they do try to sneak onto the couch when I'm not looking).  I've gotten them dog carrier trained so that when weather is really bad, they stay inside at night.  They bathe regularly in the pond, minimalizing me having to due a constant bath for stinky dog.  I don't have to ever chain them or tie them up unless I'm hunting deer or rabbit on the property (they make too much noise and want to play).

They even help stack firewood..... don't laugh.  Recently I had been stacking 2 cords of firewood that I got for cutting a couple of friends trees down.  They saw me hauling the pieces from the cutting area to the stacking area and decided to do like me.  They must have hauled a cord of it and left it for me to just stack up. 

I do agree that mutts tend to be a better animal (not taking away from purebreds) in general.  They seem for the most part to be more resistant to disease, chronic issues, and temper problems than purebreds.  I think the biggest problem is that nowadays purebreds have a lot of inbreeding due to bad breeders.  You really need to check the individual dogs if you get one.

I'd have to pick my favorite 3 types according to size as: German Shepard.... American Pit Bull.... Schnauzer
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: steeltownknight on November 13, 2011, 11:19:49 AM
I think If I had a nice homestead  to look after I would have Both  a small dog like my parents jack Russel (short leg/short haired)  to patrol the outskirts of my property and alert the BIGGER dog  to greet or EAT  the intruder. Like a Mastiff or pit bull or Rhodesian ridgeback  The latter being  first bred to hunt Lions !

This was done in ancient Japan/china.  with Lil Pekinese type dogs that would alert the TOSA's  (Japanese Mastiff's)

When the SHTF  the Lil dogs become the best "Ratters"  too !  and can survive on vermin and insects alone. (with a bit of H2O  :)
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: MrRufus on November 19, 2011, 07:50:02 PM
First post on here and I have stated listening to Jack about 5 months ago and grew up a prep and didn't realize it!  I have wanted a dog for a while and my personal reason would be more home defense rather than any other reason.  I have been doing quite a bit of research and I am really liking what a Cane Corso (Italian Mastiff) has to offer.  It is not a very common breed but does anyone have any experience with the breed?  Looks wise it can be quite intimidating and from what I have read it is quite protective for a whole family.

Thanks for reading and any info would be great!
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: Thanson_V on November 29, 2011, 03:16:38 PM
BIGGER dog  to greet or EAT  the intruder. Like a Mastiff or pit bull or Rhodesian ridgeback  The latter being  first bred to hunt Lions !
Worth noting that an APBT is usually around 45-65 lbs. That's all medium dog. You could get two and they'd preform both jobs adequately, while looking like a pair of bookends. Being able to adopt them ANYWHERE for under $300 makes them a frugal buy too. Mine will eat anything I give it including leftover amaranth grain of all things. HOWEVER. They aren't too cold resistant with their short bristly coat so there's that to consider. They also live longer lives than bigger dogs. with big dogs you get about a decade, which flies by when you have a good dog.
Just my 2 cents.
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: FromScratchWoman on November 29, 2011, 09:21:47 PM
Great Pyrenees hands down IMHO and experience...they are one of the oldest livestock guardian dogs known to man...they protect you,your livestock of any size their fur does not deteriorate meaning when then blow out their coats you can spin yarn..for clothing..very warm..they are a large breed with a slow metabolism we have two full grown adults and two teens and a 45lb bag of GOOD QUALITY feed last..wait for it..almost a month..and that's at free feeding just dumped in a big bin..if rationing I'm pretty sure I could make it last about two more weeks per bag..they are gentle,have natural instincts to know when danger is around and what level of reaction is needed..I love our Pyrenees..they also can keep you warm very warm and they can handle serious cold and do fine in the heat as long as you DON'T shave them..they are very agile and able to blend in very well and are very quiet..they are classified as a working dog with scent,sight & hearing..
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: Jonathon January on November 30, 2011, 12:04:50 AM
A relatively new breed is the dogo argentino this fearsome breed is used to hunt large game such as bear and wild boar. They are reported to be impervious to pain extremely loyal and deadly to intruders
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogo_Argentino (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogo_Argentino)
http://www.dogo.org/ (http://www.dogo.org/)


I'm seconding this pick. I started researching the this dog the dat it was mentioned of the show.
(not sure which number but it was with a gentleman from Agrentina I do believe)


The blood line of this dog includes a lot of the breeds that are being mentioned. Primarily bred for hunting boars. They have amazing hunting skills, fiercly loyal, good with kids, territorial (in a good way). I remember the gentleman in the interview saying there are stories of these dogs laying in wait for intruders not barking or growling just waiting for the right time to attac and not stopping till the intruder was "neutralized".

After a bit of research I informed my girlfriend that when we got a place of our own I would be getting one of these dogs. 
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: Shaunypoo on November 30, 2011, 10:03:59 AM
I second having a mix.  They avoid most of the problems that purebreeds have physically.  Currently I have a beagle boxer male that looks like a 50 pound rhodesian ridgeback and a beagle jack russell mix that looks like a fat muscular beagle.  The boxer mix is great at guarding the house and yard and doesn't bark at every small animal, but he does see it, plus he is sniffing all the time, so the scent hound is still there if he was trained.  The jack russell mix is essentially a vacuum cleaner with legs.  All he can sniff is food.  I told my wife if SHTF the boxer mix is for security but the russell mix is for food.

I am looking into getting a ridgeback eventually, with a boxer as a fallback.  I also like mastiffs.
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: FromScratchWoman on November 30, 2011, 07:23:48 PM
I second having a mix.  They avoid most of the problems that purebreeds have physically.  Currently I have a beagle boxer male that looks like a 50 pound rhodesian ridgeback and a beagle jack russell mix that looks like a fat muscular beagle.  The boxer mix is great at guarding the house and yard and doesn't bark at every small animal, but he does see it, plus he is sniffing all the time, so the scent hound is still there if he was trained.  The jack russell mix is essentially a vacuum cleaner with legs.  All he can sniff is food.  I told my wife if SHTF the boxer mix is for security but the russell mix is for food.

I am looking into getting a ridgeback eventually, with a boxer as a fallback.  I also like mastiffs.

While I agree with the mutt factor for health and as an all around good pet but if living deep back in the cuts and the pheasants you've made captive for eggs are all slaughtered or your goats so on and so forth it is hard to agree with a mutt because you just don't know what his instincts are..but everyone has a different bug out/in situation.. if I were to own any dog besides Pyrenees it would be a Tibetan mastiff the long hair variety..and yes with pure breeds it is very important to do your genetic researching on the dog you intend to buy the breeder needs to have certain tests done to show you the health of the parents and hopefully have grandparents records of health as well..the further back the better..compare how long one breeders lines lived to another this will tell you which dogs had stronger genetics..

 we breed Pyrenees for a Passion of the breed and for income and I can say from experience when it comes down to AKC breeding it IMHO is best to stay away from those who breed for show quality dogs for any dog that's not in the tiny puff ball category for two reasons

1. They are most likely to develop health issues do to past imbreeding to keep desired looks so even if the dog is OFA or  CHIC certified the pups DNA isn't as secure as it would seem,Pyrenees are a perfect example to see what I'm talking about look and show quality dogs they will have a longer muzzle and a more laid back forhead, a true Pyrenees has what is called a bear head short nose and high forhead...2. They loose their instincts show quality dogs more than often end up having instincts bred out of them as they simply aren't working or doing what the breed is meant to do so do this for several generations and you have nothing more than a pretty dog with a primitive clean slate which can be dangerous..

 Once again you see this a lot in Pyrenees people say well I got him from show quality lines paid 1500+shipping and he never bonded with the livestock(even when the people knew what they were doing) well of course not is my response to most the parents probably have never even been around livestock or allowed to roll in the mud.. this goes for any pure breed if It's a working dog get it from a working home... I do like the 50%ers because you know what the dogs instinctive nature will be on one hand or another if I were ever to cross breed my Pyrs it would be with a mastiff..

 we rescued a dog out of a bag her name is MAC she's some form of wire hair terrier... She is awesome a good ol mutt..that doesn't chase hens and(not so awesome but I appropriate the gesture) brings us mice she has caught.. she got frisky a while back and had pups we kept on..she two does not chase hens and brings us things..we have the dad of her litter as he was left in our yard..so we let the deed go on again a year later she is due any day now.. and we have a slew of people that want a "MAC chicken herding snake killing dog" we give them away free with a "get'em fixed contract" thinking were onto something with mini livestok dogs for hens we've ha had the DNA done on MAC and max the dad to see what they are and if we can re create them ha after all that is how every domesticated dog is here in the first place!

That's all thanks for reading my rant!
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: endurance on November 30, 2011, 10:14:59 PM
Pyrenees have definitely appealed to me for their livestock protection qualities, but we're mutt folks and when we ran into our Newfie mixes, we scored big time.  Mom was a purebred, dad was whatever got over the six foot fence, but we have Newfoundland personalities that are 100% dry mouth with lightweight frames and the energy of golden retrievers.  Frankly, I don't think we could have bred a better dog for us.  They love the cold, love the snow, affectionate, great running companions, but scary as hell when a stranger comes on the property.  When they were six months (before we adopted them), we saw the two of them chase a coyote off their property that had killed the previous German Shepard that lived there.  Of course having sisters from the same litter has it's challenges (they're bonded more to each other than to us), but the pair of them make a much better team for mutual defense when we're away (we have a lot of coyotes, a few bears and an occasional cougar around).

If I'm ever looking for another mutt, I'll probably look for a Pyrenees mix with something smaller and lighter (and dry mouth!).

I'm smitten with our Newfie-mutts, but I'm a pretty big lover of all medium to large dogs.  Properly raised and cared for, they're some of the best morale boosters a homestead can have.
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: FreeLancer on December 01, 2011, 05:08:24 AM
I've been very happy with the mutts in my life over the years, not so much the purebreds. Towards the end of my childhood we got a runty little chow/shepherd puppy who was about the fiercest property defender I've seen. Anything stepping onto his 5 acres was fair game, including the neighbors retired police shepherd, which he would tackle at full-tilt even though it was a much larger dog. He was very much a one-family dog and had a phenomenal ability to read people and detect the good ones, if he liked someone, they were an exceptionally trustworthy specimen of humanity. He was still alive before I got married, so he had the opportunity to pass judgement on my future wife. She passed and I was secretly relieved. He was right, too.
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: Sister Wolf on December 01, 2011, 02:09:14 PM
I've been happy with both mutts & purebreds. I'm a researchaholic though when it comes to dogs, so I've never expected more (or less) out of a purebred than they were bred to give. I've had a husky who wanted to be in my lap constantly (and needed a job daily), a malamute who pulled everything she could get her shoulders around, and a couple of jack russels who dug and ratted better than any cat I've ever had.

Then there's our current mutt, who is an angel disguised as a dog.

So I dunno. I like them all. If they've got 4 legs and some amount of fur, chances are, I'll fall in love. ;)
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: Shaunypoo on December 01, 2011, 02:16:37 PM
So I dunno. I like them all. If they've got 4 legs and some amount of fur, chances are, I'll fall in love. ;)

Very true.  So this raises the question: is it better to have a certain breed for the purpose it was bred for even if it isn't trained, or a mutt (regardless of mix) trained to do what you want it to do?

I understand this is somewhat of an imaginary topic for some of us since we will not have the dream dog with perfect training, but how about having the dog we have with adequate training?
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: Sister Wolf on December 01, 2011, 02:41:37 PM
Very true.  So this raises the question: is it better to have a certain breed for the purpose it was bred for even if it isn't trained, or a mutt (regardless of mix) trained to do what you want it to do?

I understand this is somewhat of an imaginary topic for some of us since we will not have the dream dog with perfect training, but how about having the dog we have with adequate training?

Hmmm.

I think it really depends on what is most important for you and your family. If you are adamant that having a herding dog (or pulling dog, or ratting dog, or whatever) is just an unavoidable necessity in your life, get a dog that is bred for that sort of thing.

If what is most important is that you save a dog from certain death at the pound, then get a mutt.

If it's not important, and you just sort of seem to end up with dogs that meander into the yard and never leave, then that's the dog you should have.

Training isn't all that hard, but it is necessary, and sometimes expensive. If you're going to drop a ton of money trying to make a mutt who hates water into a duck retriever, you may want to reconsider and just buy a retriever who will already be birdy and love water, and let your mutt do its thing at home during duck season.

Trying to turn a dog into something its not and never will be will make you both miserable.
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: endurance on December 01, 2011, 03:57:32 PM
Trying to turn a dog into something its not and never will be will make you both miserable.
Completely agree!  I think most people just need a good all-arounder, but grew up having a lab/collie/boxer... and that's why they have one now.  But I have a few friends who bird hunt and those dogs can do more out of the box than you could ever train a mutt to do with all the time and patience in the world. 

My first adult dog was an Akita.  Absolutely push-button dog for obedience, but when it came to longevity, it was tragic.  Nine years is never long enough for a great dog and for that reason, I avoid the really big breed purebreds.  That's why I couldn't get a pure bred Pyrenees or Newfie, but I do love their personalities.
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: porkchop on December 01, 2011, 04:33:05 PM
Our current dog is an English Mastiff and Lab mix.
She looks like a super sized Black Lab.
She is very friendly to her family and people that she knows.
But, strangers beware.  This means that we don't get too many people trying to sell us stuff door to door.

A couple of years ago we had a candidate for a local political office going door to door through the neighborhood.
Unfortunately, I was walking the mailbox when he pulled up and got out of his car.
Our dog saw this from inside the front door and immediately started raising a ruckus.  It was like I had the Tazmanian Devil from Looney Tunes behind my front door.  The candidate just looked from my front door to me.  I just smiled at him and said, "She doesn't like politicians either."  He returned to car without speaking a word and left our neighborhood.

Not to mention the UPS, FedEx, and USPS folks just leave stuff at the front door even if a signature is required.
To be honest, I think it's the sound of diesel trucks that gets her riled up, but the jury's still out on that one.
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: Sister Wolf on December 01, 2011, 04:43:46 PM
... I have a few friends who bird hunt and those dogs can do more out of the box than you could ever train a mutt to do with all the time and patience in the world. 

Yeah, I agree. Our mutt is very, very birdy, but she hates water. No amount of coaxing or rewarding does any good if water is involved. It isn't that she won't learn. It's that she hates everything about it: Going in the water, coming out of it, swimming, being wet.... She hates the whole process. I would be stupid to take her on a bird hunt and expect her to act like lab.

Getting a dog who will naturally do what you want (or at least want to do what you want her to do) and then rewarding her for doing what she's bred to do makes the entire process a lot less stressful on everybody involved.

Our mutt doesn't need to retrieve ducks from ponds, though, so it's more than fine with me that she doesn't want to. What she needs to do is be a princess, protect me from bad guys, roll over for a belly rub, sit pretty for biscuits, randomly give us kisses and hugs, snuggle with us when we're not feeling good, and make us laugh with her silly personality (and of course, mind her manners as often as can be expected from a dog who is treated like a kid). I think mutts are naturals at all those things when they're treated right.
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: endurance on December 01, 2011, 08:32:21 PM
No amount of coaxing or rewarding does any good if water is involved. It isn't that she won't learn. It's that she hates everything about it: Going in the water, coming out of it, swimming, being wet....
Sounds like she needed a bit of Newfie blood mixed in.  The other day Suzannah was drawing a bath and walked away to do something else.  When she returned one of the dogs was standing in the tub, wet up to the knees. ;D 

As you said, they sure bring a lot of joy to our lives and for that they earn my loyalty.
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: ttubravesrock on December 01, 2011, 08:39:21 PM
I will echo some of the other comments on here.

1. If you are not a dog person, then no dog is the best dog for you for SHTF or everyday life.
2. If you are a dog person, then a dog that you are comfortable with is best for you.
     -If you have had a chihuahua your whole life, don't go out and get a GSD, and vice versa.
3. Make sure your dog understands that you are the alpha in the pack, and so are your spouse, kids, grandma, neice, and every other human that is part of your 'pack'
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: FromScratchWoman on December 01, 2011, 08:44:12 PM
 
My first adult dog was an Akita.  Absolutely push-button dog for obedience, but when it came to longevity, it was tragic.  Nine years is never long enough for a great dog and for that reason, I avoid the really big breed purebreds.  That's why I couldn't get a pure bred Pyrenees or Newfie, but I do love their personalities.
A well bred Pyr has a life expectancy of 12-15 yrs it just comes down to research on the blood lines and seeing who's lines meet that.. same goes for all large breeds..

If I'm ever looking for another mutt, I'll probably look for a Pyrenees mix with something smaller and lighter (and dry mouth!).
the issue with breeding Pyrs to become a cross their jaw can become well not as effective for a kill so the breed would need to of similar DNA so smaller is kinda outa the picture, Pyrs don't have wet mouths unless they're nervous or drinking ha no that wasn't a joke.. if they do they aren't to the breed standards our Pyrs have tight lips because they have been carefully bred..but ya know newfies have Pyr blood in them;-) that would be a good mix.. the worst problem I see in the large breed AKC area is people want bigger and bigger so people breed for size to get top $ and then all kindsa issues arise.. we have a new stud being flown in next month(so excited to get a new fluff ball!) Ha its obvious I'm nutso head over heals for Pyrs.. I love every dog tho.. but will never intentionally own any pup that's not a Pyr..
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: FromScratchWoman on December 01, 2011, 08:57:58 PM
I will echo some of the other comments on here.

1. If you are not a dog person, then no dog is the best dog for you for SHTF or everyday life.
2. If you are a dog person, then a dog that you are comfortable with is best for you.
     -If you have had a chihuahua your whole life, don't go out and get a GSD, and vice versa.
3. Make sure your dog understands that you are the alpha in the pack, and so are your spouse, kids, grandma, neice, and every other human that is part of your 'pack'

Agreed 100% for the first two but on the second one well if you have an LGD of any breed they actually don't have a pack mentality it was bred out thousands of years ago and replaced with the desire to die for its charges.. you are their livestock no matter how many tips you use off the dog whisperer haha.. and trying to discipline their independent nature(they're a lot like cats you can tell them what to do..but they decided if It's best for you) LGDS can become aggressive when you want them to act like the family retriever.. there are over 100 LGD breeds most people just don't know for example that a German shepherd was an active LGD with no prey instinct until a horrid war changed the temperament of the breed forever.. but they're still considered working class..
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: ttubravesrock on December 01, 2011, 09:11:34 PM
Agreed 100% for the first two but on the second one well if you have an LGD of any breed they actually don't have a pack mentality it was bred out thousands of years ago and replaced with the desire to die for its charges.. you are their livestock

Yes, but you miss the primary purpose of my third point.  Whether you are a pack (non-LGD) or part of a herd, the dog still needs to know that "Grandpa Joe" is also his/her livestock when he comes to live with your family after SHTF.  Your cousin Sue isn't a wolf in sheep's clothing (or is she?), but is part of the pack/herd. 

Basically, I'm saying that it doesn't matter if your dog has no purpose besides companionship.  Your friends and family should be safe from your dog.

For the record.  I have a German Shepherd/Husky Mix, and that mix is what I would prefer to have for SHTF.  I would be happy with replacing either side of that with Pyrennes as well.
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: Sister Wolf on December 01, 2011, 09:27:55 PM
Whether you are a pack (non-LGD) or part of a herd, the dog still needs to know that "Grandpa Joe" is also his/her livestock when he comes to live with your family after SHTF.  Your cousin Sue isn't a wolf in sheep's clothing (or is she?), but is part of the pack/herd. 

Basically, I'm saying that it doesn't matter if your dog has no purpose besides companionship.  Your friends and family should be safe from your dog.

Quoted for truth.
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: FromScratchWoman on December 01, 2011, 10:17:11 PM
Yes, but you miss the primary purpose of my third point.  Whether you are a pack (non-LGD) or part of a herd, the dog still needs to know that "Grandpa Joe" is also his/her livestock when he comes to live with your family after SHTF.  Your cousin Sue isn't a wolf in sheep's clothing (or is she?), but is part of the pack/herd. 

Basically, I'm saying that it doesn't matter if your dog has no purpose besides companionship.  Your friends and family should be safe from your dog.

For the record.  I have a German Shepherd/Husky Mix, and that mix is what I would prefer to have for SHTF.  I would be happy with replacing either side of that with Pyrennes as well.
well that comes down to proper socialization more than being alpha with LGDS that is.. and for me personally if my dogs don't like someone I usually ask them to kindly be on their way they sense somethin I have yet to pick up on..but this is an intentional trait of the LGD variety..my mother and father and sister can walk into my home with no problems but a stranger or just a friend well if they don't know better they usually turn out to be quick learners.. when it comes down to a survival situation..and things are already being split into rations and third cousin sue shows with nothing to bring to the table but an open mouth and has maybe people somewhere that's she is closer with than you.. I don't know that I'd want a dog to be submissive to every person that has given a belly rub a time or two..or one that must see plain sight danger to It's owner pack or charges before it takes notice.. but it is all personal preference..  I understand that an out of control dog is an issue but my children and immediate family should be safe from all of our un prepared friends and family...

 perfect example about a year ago we had the guy driving around selling meat for some company.. I really had no interests in any of it but saw him coming down the block(which consists of four houses between both sides of the road) and I saw this seemingly kind young(18/20ish) man so eagerly try and make a living get laughed at..so when he got to my front gate my Pyr Ace by my side acting calm I let him in and kinda let him go though his sale pitch I asked if he gets paid on commission he said yes and whatever meat he didn't sell he had to pay for?  I kinda didn't by it but he said it was his first run from Portland by himself I kindly said well you may want to head here or there naming towns as this is a ranching community and our freezers are full of our own cattle and kills..

 this whole time I hadn't noticed that ace had yet to come in for a sniff and was blocking the kids (I kept hearing them say move pig dog move..) the man commented that I had beautiful children I took it as him desperately trying to land a sale... I told him I needed to get back to my project and that I hope his sales improve for him..

 out of know where he walks twoards the side gate to "leave" which was where my kids were he was moving so fast it threw me off he didn't even get more than halfway to the kids before ace had charged and knocked him flat out with his chest bone the guy got up and ran to his rig and drove off..I called our cop he said well he shouldn't have gone near your children (just incase he tried to get Ace in trouble) and I guess he knows better now..

 a week went by..and I happened to have a moment to sit down and watch the local news they showed a picture of the meat truck and an eye witness sketching of the suspect that tried to kidnap a child from a neighbouring county it was him...I called the hotline and told them of my encounter..

 you know what the thought of him being a child molester never came into my mind.. but ace knew which part of the flock needed protected and how severe of a reaction was needed(he could've ripped his throat out)... As far as I know they never caught him..but I'm pretty sure he won't be trying to come after my children.. and those are the instincts that lead me to put the Pyr in the ring as one of the best shtf TEOTWAWKI dog for those who will be on a homestead/BOL...
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: Sister Wolf on December 01, 2011, 11:49:49 PM
WOW!! That is one heck of a story, FSM. I'm glad your Pyr protected your kids.

Do you have a website where you have pics of the dogs you breed?
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: Cedar on December 02, 2011, 12:57:15 AM
And part of the reason why I brought my Pyre X down from Canada with me.

Cedar
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: FromScratchWoman on December 02, 2011, 08:41:27 AM
WOW!! That is one heck of a story, FSM. I'm glad your Pyr protected your kids.

Do you have a website where you have pics of the dogs you breed?

I've been working on one for a little bit now well a site that has a lot and a page or two for our Pyrs and as soon as I'm finished I plan on linking it to my bottom signature..

Ace is my angel pig dog he has saved us from so many random things and things we will never even know about..
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: Morning Sunshine on December 02, 2011, 10:59:44 AM
ok, I grew up with a dobby/GSD mix, as I said.  later, pretty much as I was leaving home, and Dobby died, my parents got a toy poodle.  smart dog.  and they never let him know he was a poodle, so there was no yapping at the door or goofy haircuts.
hubby grew up with no animals.

I want a dog.  I want a good guard dog for the kids and us.  I want a dog not likely to go after our chickens.  I want a dog easy to train so that hubby will go along with it.

but mostly I need some tips on what kind of dog to get as a starter dog.  we neither of us are very knowledgeable about dogs.  We do not want one that has to be everywhere we are - hubby will not allow a dog in bedrooms or free reign in the house.  Am I just out of luck?  should I go for siamese cats instead?
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: ttubravesrock on December 02, 2011, 11:32:20 AM
hubby grew up with no animals.

I want a dog.  I want a good guard dog for the kids and us.  I want a dog not likely to go after our chickens.  I want a dog easy to train so that hubby will go along with it.

but mostly I need some tips on what kind of dog to get as a starter dog.  we neither of us are very knowledgeable about dogs.  We do not want one that has to be everywhere we are - hubby will not allow a dog in bedrooms or free reign in the house.  Am I just out of luck?  should I go for siamese cats instead?

A dog needs to have free reign in the house if you want to to protect you.  I don't let my dog on furniture, but she has free reign.  If she is in the way, I tell her to move.  Your point about neither of you being too knowledgeable about dogs tells me that you should try fostering an adult dog.  With fostering, you meet the dog before you bring it to your house.  If after a week or two of fostering it, you decide it is too much for you or you need something bigger/smaller, try fostering another dog.  When you find an adult dog that works for you, keep it.  Make sure you spay/neuter it. your next dog a puppy, or keep fostering.  It is very satisfying to foster an elderly dog because they are well trained and they just want a human to keep it company for its last few years.
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: Sister Wolf on December 02, 2011, 11:51:32 AM
I would highly suggest a poodle of some sort (whether it's a toy, a mini, or a standard), or a soft coated wheaton terrier. The lack of shedding will help your husband cope with the fact that there is a "dog in the house".

And for the record, until we brought hannah into the house, I SWORE that no dog was ever going to be allowed on our bed, or allowed to have free reign of the house, etc. Within 48 hours of adopting her, hannah was allowed anywhere she felt that she needed to go, and (most especially when I'm not feeling well), she snuggles with me in bed for as long as I need her there.

Poodles & wheaties are soooo smart and sooo trainable. It is my humble opinion that you and your hubby would be best off getting one of those two for those two reasons (no shedding, very intelligent).

I'm not at all sure that I agree with ttubravesrock about fostering though. Normally I'd say that he's absolutely right, but with the number of very small children you have in the house, along with one on the way, I don't think fostering an adult dog who might have some kind of preconceived notions about children is a good idea UNLESS you are absolutely positive about the dog and feel that you can trust that he or she is truly trained, not abused (which will be hard to find in a foster situation), and has no vices (food aggression especially).

If you end up getting a puppy, remember to make sure that the pup never ever is allowed to develop food aggression with you or your kids or your husband. children have a habit of wanting to stick their hands into a dog's food bowl, and one would want to make absolutely sure (especially in your house) that the dog won't mind this at all.
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: ttubravesrock on December 02, 2011, 12:27:21 PM

I'm not at all sure that I agree with ttubravesrock about fostering though. Normally I'd say that he's absolutely right, but with the number of very small children you have in the house, along with one on the way, I don't think fostering an adult dog who might have some kind of preconceived notions about children is a good idea UNLESS you are absolutely positive about the dog and feel that you can trust that he or she is truly trained, not abused (which will be hard to find in a foster situation), and has no vices (food aggression especially).

If you end up getting a puppy, remember to make sure that the pup never ever is allowed to develop food aggression with you or your kids or your husband. children have a habit of wanting to stick their hands into a dog's food bowl, and one would want to make absolutely sure (especially in your house) that the dog won't mind this at all.

Being new to this board, I don't know the age or amount of children in her household or on the way.  However, There is a big difference between fostering a 2 yr old adult and a 12 year old adult. You still want to be 100% sure that your kids are safe to act like kids around the dog, but a geriatric dog is usually more mellow. It feels good to give a dog a comfortable home to finish its life in.  If all the kids are small, a puppy would be fun to grow up with, but keep in mind that the puppy will live 8-15 years, and it will be like losing a sibling when that time eventually does come.  I don't know if its better to lose a dog when you are 4 years old or when you are 12 years old, but I suppose its something to think about.
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: FromScratchWoman on December 02, 2011, 12:55:18 PM
Being new to this board, I don't know the age or amount of children in her household or on the way.  However, There is a big difference between fostering a 2 yr old adult and a 12 year old adult. You still want to be 100% sure that your kids are safe to act like kids around the dog, but a geriatric dog is usually more mellow. It feels good to give a dog a comfortable home to finish its life in.  If all the kids are small, a puppy would be fun to grow up with, but keep in mind that the puppy will live 8-15 years, and it will be like losing a sibling when that time eventually does come.  I don't know if its better to lose a dog when you are 4 years old or when you are 12 years old, but I suppose its something to think about.
Death being a factor that every human must deal with in life when the dog passes is IMHO irrelevant.. I completely agree with SW on not fostering when you have young children in the home..I kinda feel the same about adopting dogs from pounds that aren't pups you have no idea of how the dog was treated and never will so it could have some serious trigger points.. and I'm up in the air about senior dogs as in my experience they can become grumpy pretty easy..and to have a tendency to snap at a child who misplaced a step and landed on a tail.. I know this isn't the case with every dog but I honestly would never be a foster or adopt an adult dog with children in my home..never..It's just not worth the tragic outcome..
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: Utah Man on December 14, 2011, 11:23:16 AM
A relatively new breed is the dogo argentino this fearsome breed is used to hunt large game such as bear and wild boar. They are reported to be impervious to pain extremely loyal and deadly to intruders
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogo_Argentino (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogo_Argentino)
http://www.dogo.org/ (http://www.dogo.org/)
I'm impressed that you know what an argintine Dogo is.  They are one of the coolest dogs I know of.  I lived in south america for two years and those dogs were the best ones around. 

I've got an Airedale and would say that he is the bet dog that I've ever had.  he's fast, protective, and very smart.  He's also one heck of a hunter.
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: Dust of the Sun on December 18, 2011, 02:17:10 AM
Glad to see a couple people voting for the German Shepherds....I've been around lots of dogs and had 4 life companions...my German Shepherd mix just passed and will be looking for another, a purebred GSD...I can't imagine any breed topping the utter and total DEVOTION they exhibit.....Loyal to the end...Intelligent beyond words. I vote for the German Shepherds hands down!!!!

And when a questionable character appeared at my door, I would open the door holding the harness of my Shepherd as she growled and barked with front feet up as I held her back...the unknown/suspicious character steps back and I think he mentally eliminates MY PROPERTY from any ideas of a return visit or burglary. A GSD LOOKS like a SWAT TEAM on 4 legs...it's also about PERCEPTION....the Perception of the EVILDOER. German Shepherds win this battle for the MIND also.

And they LOVE unconditionally...even when ill and dying....believe me I KNOW. Shedding: yes. Total Devotion: yes. Intimidating: yes. Defend you to the death: yes.

What MORE do you need?????
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: 4bull on December 18, 2011, 10:01:50 AM
Anyone else knowest ,slum dogs ? wild mutts .Ive seen what looks like medium shepherd there black ,shy and seem shorter in the rear.  They remind me of black dingos.
I think my red bone is near sighted , 25 yards out she didnt know me?
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: FromScratchWoman on December 18, 2011, 10:11:49 AM

What MORE do you need?????
Depends on the situation..I need a dog that isn't birdy in other words no hunt drive..
German shepherds are good dogs..with the worst hips in all of the AKC world..and this is do to over breeding and imbreeding during WWII to keep up with the demand,they tuned a livestock guardian dog(they are still shown in working class) into an attacking killing machine..this is why they're now soooooo aggressive and yes they're now a good attack dog..

Sigh..but..they made a dog something it wasn't aggressive..and they do have the tendency to snap especially on strangers that may not be a stranger to you including children...by breeding their instincts out of them and training them to be an attack dog has made them primitive on a stable instinct level..

Now don't take any of this the wrong way if bred properly and YOU HAVE SEVERAL GENERATIONS OF PROOF OF GOOD HIPS ON BOTH PARENTS SIDE they are a good choice for IMHO a childless couple OR the pup needs to arrive at the same time the baby does..and if all you need (on a working sence) is a very aggressive dog to protect your home the shepherd is a good choice..

They are loving,loyal and will rip a human to shreds..the "Bad Germans" made sure that was the new breed temperament.. watch an episode or two of Cops..bet the dog doesn't stop attacking on command..

No offence intended to the breed at all..but I would never own a shepherd and am weary having my children around them..

I need a lot more/less out of a dog..
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: FromScratchWoman on December 18, 2011, 10:24:09 AM
Anyone else knowest ,slum dogs ? wild mutts .Ive seen what looks like medium shepherd there black ,shy and seem shorter in the rear.  They remind me of black dingos.
I think my red bone is near sighted , 25 yards out she didnt know me?

Ha ya here we call em rez dogs (reservation) they all look the same and have inter bred with coyote and now all look the same.. had been joking around with a friend not.to long ago about selling rez dogs man you just can't kill these things(not that were trying) they're still just mobin around eye or ear missing I hit one a while back stoped to "put it down the rest of the way" I get up to it It's leg was pretty bad only attached by tissue this dog jumps up and takes off into miles of wheat fields out of sight in no time like his leg wasn't mangled..AND JUST YESTERDAY I was driving the same area and THE DOG who had "shivers" chewed his dangling leg off! Was happily eating a buck that had been hit and drug into the field..along with coyotes..
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: ncjeeper on December 18, 2011, 10:59:39 AM
A GSD LOOKS like a SWAT TEAM on 4 legs...
:D
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: Nick Ferguson on December 18, 2011, 07:56:15 PM
My wife and I are trying to figure out what the next dog is going to be right now. The situation is this, we live right next door to a swimming/camping park (we live on a reservoir) and we have drunk/high people coming over to our house several times over the course of a summer asking when the park opens, or why the gate is shut, or whatever reason they have. I'm gone 13-16 hours of the day at work and I don't like those trash coming onto our property with just my young wife and 9 mo old baby at home with Cricket the rat terrier to guard the home front.

So here are the options I'm considering. (there's a kennel that breeds Black Mouth Curs in my area)

1. Breeding my Anatolian Shepherd to a Black Mouth Cur and keeping one of the pups.

2. Buying a Black Mouth Cur.

3. Buying a Blue Heeler (Australian Cattle Dog, think Skidboot)

I'm really good with training dogs, Cricket our rat terrier knows he's not allowed to cross the threshold of any door leading outside or inside without an invitation. The same with jumping up on your leg, lap, or furniture. He stops immediately upon hearing the command "wait" or seeing you put your hand up in a stop motion. He almost ran over a copperhead once but as soon as I said "wait" he stopped and laid down, looked up at me for further instruction while I went for the machete. If he would have hesitated one second before obeying, the 4' copperhead would have been tangled up with him cause he laid down 2' away from it in a dead run racing me to the house. I was pretty impressed :P

I have hours and hours to devote towards training while at "work" so I'm sure I can spend tons of time with the pup after the emotional pack bond has been made with my wife and the baby. I'd love the challenge of training a blue heeler. We have 12 acres of forest, a dozen chickens, 3 dairy goats (possibly an additional 2 here soon), and lots of fencing to keep em contained. Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: Cedar on December 18, 2011, 08:02:45 PM
Yeah, I agree. Our mutt is very, very birdy, but she hates water. No amount of coaxing or rewarding does any good if water is involved.

My SAR dog didn't like to do water. Did a little more inspection and she didn't have alot of web to her feet to swim with. Got her a life jacket and she then started swimming.

Cedar
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: Cedar on December 18, 2011, 08:05:05 PM
no matter how many tips you use off the dog whisperer haha..

I am not sure who annoys me more.. that guy or Bear G.

Cedar
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: Nick Ferguson on December 18, 2011, 08:20:00 PM
I am not sure who annoys me more.. that guy or Bear G.

Cedar

They both annoy me but Cesar's methods work really well!
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: FromScratchWoman on December 18, 2011, 09:15:55 PM
I am not sure who annoys me more.. that guy or Bear G.

Cedar
we can only pray they don't do a "special" together hahaha..
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: Cedar on December 18, 2011, 09:24:31 PM
we can only pray they don't do a "special" together hahaha..

OMG.. that is too funny FSW!!!!

Cedar

PS Lets hope they don't read this thread
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: FromScratchWoman on December 18, 2011, 09:27:32 PM


1. Breeding my Anatolian Shepherd to a Black Mouth Cur and keeping one of the pups.




so you have an Anatolian? They're pretty good LGDS especially if your looking for something that responds quickly..and Anatolian and your wife knowing how to shoot a gun (if she doesn't already) sounds pretty good to me..and a buncha don't step foot on my property signs if you don't already have them..here in Or in my county anyhow you can get a fancy "patrolled by sheriff" signs that would make a drunken drug addict think twice about asking you any questions..
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: Nick Ferguson on December 19, 2011, 06:33:07 PM
so you have an Anatolian? They're pretty good LGDS especially if your looking for something that responds quickly..and Anatolian and your wife knowing how to shoot a gun (if she doesn't already) sounds pretty good to me..and a buncha don't step foot on my property signs if you don't already have them..here in Or in my county anyhow you can get a fancy "patrolled by sheriff" signs that would make a drunken drug addict think twice about asking you any questions..

I absolutely agree, the problem is my Anatolian is behind a "VERY" scary electric fence (or at least she thinks so). She stays with the goats so, she just barks from oh.... 300' away.. not too threatening

If she were loose, she'd have already been stolen by the trash in the park.. She loves to explore over there and meet people. We had that happen with one dog already. Miraculously we got him back, but he was horribly malnourished and would never go near that park again for as long as he lived. Gonna have to get a dog who's a little less independent minded than an Anatolian.. Audie is almost 3 and listens about as well as a freight train :P Actually thought about getting a Doberman, he'd stay inside most of the time, put in a dog door and post a picture of him at our gate with a "we don't have anything to do with the park so go away" sign. hehehe :D
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: FromScratchWoman on December 19, 2011, 07:32:23 PM
I absolutely agree, the problem is my Anatolian is behind a "VERY" scary electric fence (or at least she thinks so). She stays with the goats so, she just barks from oh.... 300' away.. not too threatening

If she were loose, she'd have already been stolen by the trash in the park.. She loves to explore over there and meet people. We had that happen with one dog already. Miraculously we got him back, but he was horribly malnourished and would never go near that park again for as long as he lived. Gonna have to get a dog who's a little less independent minded than an Anatolian.. Audie is almost 3 and listens about as well as a freight train :Pha well she's doing exactly what she was bred to,be independent! And patrol what ever she deems as hers..but it is a little off that she would be so loving twoards strangers..

 Actually thought about getting a Doberman, he'd stay inside most of the time, put in a dog door and post a picture of him at our gate with a "we don't have anything to do with the park so go away" sign. hehehe :D
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: Nick Ferguson on December 21, 2011, 07:37:11 PM
I agree, I wish she were a little more standoffish but such is life. Yeah I know she's doing what she's supposed to do, I just want her to stick with the herd... she'll go off on her own if she can. I don't know if it's cause she's still a little puppyish, or if she's just not a good LGD... She'll bark like crazy but as for attacking anything that gets in her pasture... not so sure on that one. She does catch cat squirrels though. And if I walk out with a gun, she's looking up in the trees wherever I'm pointing the gun waiting for a squirrel to drop :P not afraid of the sound of a gun going off at all! In fact come to think of it, that's probably the best way to get her to come to me, pop a shot or two off and she'll come running hoping for a squirrel...
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: Samuel Fairlane on July 31, 2013, 05:55:56 AM
When I moved from Canada back to the States I re-homed all my draft dogs to working homes and only brought my farm guardian dog down with me. He is a Great Pyrenese X and can be a big baby, but he does stand down bear and cougars which is what his job requirement was.

That said, he also does work in harness and did pull 2-3 days worth of firewood down for me (about 40 rounds) at a time and did haul 300-500 pounds of livestock feed to the barns when the snows were very deep. He will also pack. So currently I would say he is the best dog for me. As large as he is, it is amazing how little food he eats.

I know when I travel, I sleep sound when he is with me as he doesn't bark at anything, but that low grumble of a growl to wake me up in the middle of the night to warn me someone is too close to us (or even a quick nap during the day when I am pushing an 18 hour drive) will get me wide awake in a millisecond, as I know he means business. If you can keep his paws from giving you a black eye (received one from him once), he is also quite warm to snuggle with when you are camping and a bit chilled.

As much as a pain as he can be sometimes and so totally has separation anxiety, he is a great dog. I also like that he is long legged enough to keep up easily and can manuever through snow and often when I had to check fencelines before I had snowshoes, my hand on his back would help me from falling over on my face (or side, or bum or... ).

I know up in the bush when the guys were working in the forests, there are some guys who really like having little terrier type dogs as bear alert dogs as the owner said they are a smaller target for a bear, are quick and persistant. And I have seen 2 Chihuahuas tree a bear in a backyard once.

Cedar
(http://www.downtotherootsmagazine.com/Blogs/cyrus_feedbags.jpg)
(http://www.downtotherootsmagazine.com/Blogs/deepsnow02_20_08.jpg)
That's a good looking dog.
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: joeandmich on July 31, 2013, 11:42:23 AM
I would have to say that my answer depends mostly upon the intent of the owner.

- For personal-defense = German Shepard (loyal, dependable, fierce, won't take sh!t from anyone)

- For hunting/guard dog = Karelian Bear Dog (smaller = less food requirements, very loyal, hard working, cannot be put on a leash and led around)

- For all around =  Czechoslovakian Wolfdog (temperament, pack mentality, and trainability of the German Shepherd and the strength, physical build, and stamina of the Eurasian wolf. Excells at tracking and guarding, known to be fearless, makes the family its pack, very little barking)

(http://illustrateddogbreeds.com/Czechoslovakian_Wolfdog_.jpg)

Real beautiful dogs
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: joeandmich on July 31, 2013, 11:42:53 AM
I have been thinking about this question some lately and doing a little research.


One of the dogs near the top of my list is the blue lacy. Great all around. Can heard, scent, bay, fearless, defends family, rugged. Think I'd rather have 2 or three lacys than a dog twice the size.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Lacy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Lacy)


Many other good looks on here though, particularly the GSP.

looks like a Visla. very beautiful dog
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: joeandmich on July 31, 2013, 11:51:15 AM
Great Pyrenees hands down IMHO and experience...they are one of the oldest livestock guardian dogs known to man...they protect you,your livestock of any size their fur does not deteriorate meaning when then blow out their coats you can spin yarn..for clothing..very warm..they are a large breed with a slow metabolism we have two full grown adults and two teens and a 45lb bag of GOOD QUALITY feed last..wait for it..almost a month..and that's at free feeding just dumped in a big bin..if rationing I'm pretty sure I could make it last about two more weeks per bag..they are gentle,have natural instincts to know when danger is around and what level of reaction is needed..I love our Pyrenees..they also can keep you warm very warm and they can handle serious cold and do fine in the heat as long as you DON'T shave them..they are very agile and able to blend in very well and are very quiet..they are classified as a working dog with scent,sight & hearing..

My cousin has a homestead in the Mountains of Tennessee and she has 4 of them. They are very protective and huge.
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: Samuel Fairlane on August 01, 2013, 07:37:30 AM
I think Pyrenees size can be deceptive with all the hair. I took my 9 month old to get spayed last week and was shocked to find out she only tipped the scales at 80 lbs. (http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e124/95bravo/keena_zps834434c7.jpg) (http://s38.photobucket.com/user/95bravo/media/keena_zps834434c7.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Best dogs for SHTF?
Post by: janinec on August 04, 2013, 01:29:43 AM
Bull mastiffs are great dogs when they are young, but after about 5 years old they become very lethargic and are more interested in sleeping than guarding. I have raised them and they are a wonderful pet, but as a prepper I would never have another, just not enough productivity and they consume a lot of food. I am seriously thinking of getting a German Shepard as our last bull mastiff recently passed away.i like that fact that's they are so very loyal and trainable but are productive for a lot more years than the bull mastiffs. I loved my dogs very much and mean no disrespect to anyone with a bull mastiff, but from a purely practical prepper view point I think you can do better.