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JollyGreen:
A caller on TSPC episode 1852 asked Jack about the pros and cons of Appendix Inside the WaistBand (AIWB) carry.   It was apparent that the mode of carry doesn't suit Jack, and therefore he has not real experience with it.  I have carried AIWB for several years now, have trained under some prominent AIWB instructors, so I thought I'd share some thoughts. 

For the purpose of this thread, appendix carry will be defined as carrying forward of the hip, on the strong side. 

AIWB is very controversial, and for good reason.  Unlike normal hip carry, Appendix carry has your gun pointed at your "junk", not to mention your femoral artery.  For safety reasons, many well known firearms instructors discourage, and several outright ban appendix carry from their courses.  This should give you a hint of the gravity of this decision.  It's probably not well suited for beginners or the poorly disciplined.  To quote the late Todd Green: "If you %#% up, you die!"

If you pursue AIWB, take it seriously, get educated, get training, practice safely.  Here's a great place to get started:  Please go read the first few posts by ToddG on this thread: https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?120-AIWB-(Appendix-Carry).    Here is a short video describing the proper method to reholster your gun:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSBgPISVKVI

On gear. 
-Strongly consider a hammer-fired gun, as opposed to striker fired, for AIWB carry.   This gives you the additional ability to control the firing mechanism while re-holstering.  On most double action guns (I don't know about 1911's), by firmly pressing on the back of the decocked hammer, you can make the trigger very difficult to press.  This can help reduce the risk of an accidental discharge into your leg in the event that something (finger, clothing) gets caught in the trigger guard while you reholster.

- AIWB holsters are very personal, more so than normal IWB holsters. What works for me may not work for you. It's very dependent on your body type, rise of your pants, belt configuration. Minor positional adjustments can make a huge difference and you may also end up trying a couple different holsters before you find the perfect one.  Consider a high quality, reasonably priced AIWB specific holster, such as the $75 JM Custom Kydex AIWB holster.* His neoprene wedge will add more tuck (concealment) and may increase comfort, or you can roll your own wedge. I'll be trying that soon.

http://www.jmcustomkydex.com/p/AIWB.html  (This just one of several high quality AIWB holster makers.  I list it because it's the least expensive. I have no affiliation with him. )
https://limatunesrangediaries.wordpress.com/2015/03/31/the-aiwb-holster-hack/

Once again, appendix carry is very personal.  I would suggest a fair amount of research and training before using it.  When I was considering it, I read a lot about it, considered the pros and cons, and did a lot of introspection about whether I was responsible enough to do it.  I carried an unloaded gun around the house for a couple weeks before going out in public.  I spent that time practicing my draw and reholster techniques.  Several years later I still take it very seriously.  I suggest you do the same. 

Cheers,
David S.

jhull87:
Thanks for your input. I've met several people who actually LOVE that carry for several different reasons. A few have been very attractive women whose physical attributes make AIWB functional for them. The other was an old farmer who pulled a .357 6" revolver from his appendix on overalls lol. My question has always been, "I'm a slimmer guy, which is what most people that go to appendix carry say, however, how does a person draw a firearm while seated in a vehicle in appendix carry, and two, what about people who prefer striker fired firearms such as the G26, 19 or 43, that have been shown by some reputable people recently in appendix carry?

JollyGreen:
A couple excellent videos on appendix carry.  (second video is NSFW: mild language)

http://youtu.be/gD1-cmqdXWA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGU7HbgDIvE

JollyGreen:

--- Quote from: jhull87 on September 05, 2016, 06:20:22 PM ---"I'm a slimmer guy, which is what most people that go to appendix carry say, however, how does a person draw a firearm while seated in a vehicle in appendix carry....
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Disclaimer:  I'm not an expert on anything here.  I've carried every day for the last several years in the appendix position.  I have no formal training or real experience in in-fight weapons access inside a vehicle.   Secondly, I'm not advocating anybody carry in this position.  I only hope to provide information based on my study and limited experience.

Many actually find the appendix position more accessible than the strong-side/behind the back position while in a confined space (car, restaurant booth, etc).  It's actually one of the position's strengths.  With strong-side to small-of the-back position, range of motion can be impeded by the seat back.  Additionally, those modes of carry require you to lean forward or to the weak side to access your gun, whereas appendix carry requires you lean back.  This may be advantageous, particularly if you are in close contact with you assailant. 

TNSTAAFL:
I'm not sure how you access your gun from the appendix position while seated, without momentarily muzzling your leg.   Setting yourself up to break one of the cardinal gun safety rules is pretty risky proposition.  You have to weigh the pro's and cons and make that risk assessment. 


--- Quote from: jhull87 on September 05, 2016, 06:20:22 PM ---...and two, what about people who prefer striker fired firearms such as the G26, 19 or 43, that have been shown by some reputable people recently in appendix carry?

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The late Todd Green, over at pistol-training.com, argued strongly against appendix carrying a gun in which you didn't have positive control of the firing mechanism through either a manual safety, external hammer or striker control device.  On the other hand, many others, including some very "reputable", squared away dudes, have decided they don't need that extra level of safety.   This includes the guy from the second video I posted in post #3 of this thread.  To each their own.  They've made their risk assessment and draw the line differently than I do.   I tend to agree with Todd, and therefore personally choose to carry a hammer fired gun. 

For Glocks, I'd look in to a product being developing, called "The Gadget."  (*See note below) For M&P's and other guns, I'd look into the manual safety options.   

*See here: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/gadget-a-striker-control-device#/. (I have no financial affiliation with the maker of this product.  I am an online acquaintance of the developer. I believe him to be a good and decent guy developing an good product.)

I hope this helps. 

Cheers,
David S. 

jhull87:
Hey thanks for the input. I'm always interested in others opinions on CCW. Full disclosure, I carry a G19 IWB SOB strong side.

As far as acesss to my firearm, yes I'll agree there are better solutions to my position, I.E. shoulder holster, strong side OWB w/ the seat belt unclipped, purhaps even a weak side ankle holster. My train of thought is, I carry concealed to hide my firearm. I can't do that at work with a shoulder holster or an OWB holster. And I can't carry my preferred daily carry in an ankle holster. So I'm not bragging here, I've actually trained pulling my weapon while seated in a vehicle, pulling a weapon when seated in a chair, and engaging targets from a standing position from my CC holster. I COMPLETELY understand how it's easy to arm chair quarterback this whole thing. I've done the same thing and am honestly doing it with the AIWB theory here. I haven't tested it or even tried one of the holsters honestly. (If you're like me you already have WAY to many holsters that you've tried and retired for your CCW).

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