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Mr. Bill:
AP has an overview of how 12 recent mass shooters obtained their firearms.  5 did so legally, 3 by theft, 1 by using a private purchase to evade a background check, and 3 due to screwups in the background check system which should have prohibited their purchases.

US mass shooters exploited gaps, errors in background checks

iam4liberty:
FYI.  The information on Odessa shooter is most likely wrong.  Best information is that it wasnt a private purchase but rather was a purchase from a black market manufacturer.

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/texas/2019/09/05/authorities-suspect-lubbock-man-built-and-sold-rifle-to-odessa-shooter/
Authorities suspect Lubbock man built and sold rifle to Odessa shooter

Officials have identified a person of interest who they suspect illegally manufactured and sold a gun to a man who used it to fatally shoot seven people and wound more than 20 others in West Texas last weekend.
...
But law enforcement officials suspect the man was also illegally selling guns, using parts bought online to build the firearms and then reselling them, the Journal reported. Manufacturing and selling guns requires a license, though occasional private sales do not.

David in MN:
25% had faulty background checks? That's pathetic even by .gov standards. Granted I don't think the laws stop anyone who is dedicated to hurting people but to just drop the  ball 1/4 of the time...

There is a challenge here because we don't know how many people have been successfully deterred. We might really have a situation where 12 were successful but 50 were stopped. It's impossible to know. But to have 3 of the recent 12 just be systemic errors doesn't speak well of our policies.

iam4liberty:

--- Quote from: David in MN on September 08, 2019, 08:26:11 AM ---25% had faulty background checks? That's pathetic even by .gov standards. Granted I don't think the laws stop anyone who is dedicated to hurting people but to just drop the  ball 1/4 of the time...

There is a challenge here because we don't know how many people have been successfully deterred. We might really have a situation where 12 were successful but 50 were stopped. It's impossible to know. But to have 3 of the recent 12 just be systemic errors doesn't speak well of our policies.

--- End quote ---

And it is assuming they werent "purposeful mistakes".  Remember Brian Terry case where gun stores who tried to stop guns being transfered to prohibited individuals were threatened by the authorities..Probably more people died from F&F than all these shootings combined.  Last I heard it was over 200 and that was just a fraction.

https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-releases/judicial-watch-justice-department-documents-reveal-widespread-use-fast-furious-weapons-major-mexican-drug-cartels-linked-least-69-killings/
JUDICIAL WATCH: JUSTICE DEPARTMENT DOCUMENTS REVEAL WIDESPREAD USE OF FAST AND FURIOUS WEAPONS BY MAJOR MEXICAN DRUG CARTELS – LINKED TO AT LEAST 69 KILLINGS

FreeLancer:

--- Quote from: iam4liberty on September 07, 2019, 08:54:37 PM ---FYI.  The information on Odessa shooter is most likely wrong.  Best information is that it wasnt a private purchase but rather was a purchase from a black market manufacturer.

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/texas/2019/09/05/authorities-suspect-lubbock-man-built-and-sold-rifle-to-odessa-shooter/
Authorities suspect Lubbock man built and sold rifle to Odessa shooter

Officials have identified a person of interest who they suspect illegally manufactured and sold a gun to a man who used it to fatally shoot seven people and wound more than 20 others in West Texas last weekend.
...
But law enforcement officials suspect the man was also illegally selling guns, using parts bought online to build the firearms and then reselling them, the Journal reported. Manufacturing and selling guns requires a license, though occasional private sales do not.

--- End quote ---


How many self-assembled ARs can one sell privately before being labeled a criminal black market manufacturer?

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