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Beware of the John Brown Gun Club

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David in MN:
There's definitely a scary escalation going on. We've seen protestors on both sides throwing milkshakes, then going to frozen soda cans, and now guns are the talk of the day.

I'm not going to pretend that we have it as bad as Portland where baliclavad ANTIFA groups shut down city streets but Minneapolis has had rallies for both ANTIFA and Identity Evropa and I'd really not like to stumble on either.

I have in my past been part of the annual tax protest in St. Paul and handed out coffee and donuts for the Occupy protestors who did the right thing and set up shop outside the Minneapolis Fed but the idea of showing up to either with weapons is beyond me. I felt very comfortable with both groups but I'm not so sure I'd even risk showing up these days.

Perhaps the saddest and scariest thing is that eventually the police will have to intervene and take back the streets from whatever crazy side gets the upper hand. I can't imagine the majority of us want our town to have a Charlottesville experience where society devolves into violent rioting and numerous people are hospitalized and a young lady dies over nothing more than mindless political violence.

It's real hard when the choice presented is either black clad ANTIFA or skinheads with swastika tattoos. And I feel very confidant that 99% of us don't want to be associated with either. Let's be honest: Protestors now show up with bear mace and bike locks. It's a hop, skip, and jump to a 9mm. It can happen.

NWPilgrim:
I am trying to work up the stomach to read "The People's History of the United States" by Howard Zinn.  Supposedly this is the "intellectual" inspiration for violent left wing politics such as BLM, Antifa, and the multitude of other Soros funded or otherwise leftist supported attack groups.  I want to read that along with the book "Debunking Howard Zinn" by Mary Grabar.

Until coming across this background I was puzzled why this hate-America, violent attack politics had such legs.  But from the excerpts of Grabar's book I've read, Zinn's false and contorted history is in widespread use in US high schools and especially the AP history courses.  And he has won accolades from the academic Social Studies industry. Un-freakin-believable.  Apparently people have lapped up this clap trap "history" and want to destroy America because of it.  I like to know something about my enemies so these are near the top of my reading list this summer.

I was pretty sure we had gone over the tipping point in our American society when the Repubs caved to Clinton in 1998 over a balanced budget.  I was sure of it when both parties heartily supported the 2008 TARP and the several following QEs. When you abandon financial responsibility it is only a matter of time for other social factors to peg into the red as well.  This rise of Antifa, JBGC and their ilk and strong support from local and national political leaders demonstrates to me we are near the "center does not hold" moment.  The violence will get worse in the next few years.  Portland, OR metro politicians have all but tied police hands against taking action on these leftist attackers. It is pretty common knowledge that police will not interfere during a violent "protest" as long as just businesses and normal citizens are being attacked.  They only step in the instant anyone attacks the leftist instigators.  There may be 50 leftists attackers and a couple of people fighting back and all the defenders will get hauled in and just a couple of token Antifa, if any.  I mean, if you had a grudge against a local person or business, just wait for the next "protest" don all black and a ski mask and go burn the place down and 99% chance nothing will happen to you.  Try that wearing Carhartts and they will track you down in 24 hrs and you will be in the slammer for 10-20.

When the rule of law breaks down, everything else will go with it shortly.

iam4liberty:
Here is what I dont get.  Who would ever join a group named for a man who indiscriminantly killed the people he said he was saving, was rejected by them, got all of his followers killed or imprisoned, and became the first person convicted and executed for treason in the US?  Especially with their leadership calling on them to do what amounts to suicide missions for no purpose whatsoever.  You would think they would say, "you first".  I feel sad for those who have gotten sucked into this cult.

Morning Sunshine:

--- Quote from: iam4liberty on July 29, 2019, 09:21:29 PM ---Here is what I don't get.  Who would ever join a group named for a man who indiscriminantly killed the people he said he was saving, was rejected by them, got all of his followers killed or imprisoned, and became the first person convicted and executed for treason in the US?  Especially with their leadership calling on them to do what amounts to suicide missions for no purpose whatsoever.  You would think they would say, "you first".  I feel sad for those who have gotten sucked into this cult.

--- End quote ---

because history is taught in soundbites.  No backstory to John Brown.  No after story.  There is not enough room in an approved school history text or time in the classroom to do more than say "John Brown led a small group of people to capture weapons at Harpers Ferry, Virginia to arm the slaves."  Then it moves on to the election of Lincoln as the next step towards the Civil War.

I bet they don't even mention that Lincoln was only the second R nominee.  I say this because I have seen in comment sections of news stories where a number of people "correct" history by saying that not only Democrats owned slaves - Republicans did too.  Well, maybe a few did, but the R party was FOUNDED on abolition of slavery, and had only been a party for 5 years before Lincoln, so there is a statistical improbability that Rs were slave owners. (sorry - soap box).

Again, history as taught today is in soundbites that have no context, and so our young people are left adrift as useful idiots listening to those who sound smart.

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