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Title: Michigan
Post by: nate49080 on November 06, 2008, 07:20:11 AM
I wanted to start a forum for the members from michigan.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Nate on November 06, 2008, 09:02:50 AM
Sounds good!  Jackson area here!
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: nate49080 on November 06, 2008, 09:23:35 AM
I went to the GR gun show last week and i was suprised on how much the GI surplus was. I heard a rumor that after the 1st of january the AR fire ares is going to have a surplus of guns and watch for some good deals. Also I suggest everyone look at "when Technology Fails" it is one of the best survival books out there and it has just been updated and reprinted.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: nate49080 on November 06, 2008, 09:50:07 AM
Here is some shows
       2008 Show Dates
Nov 7, 8 & 9 ...... Lansing/Mason

Nov 22 & 23 ............. Detroit
Nov 28, 29 & 30 ...... Birch Run
Dec 6 & 7 .............. Kalamazoo
Dec 13 & 14 ............. Sturgis
Dec 20 & 21 ....... Grand Rapids
Dec 26, 27 & 28 ... Lansing/Mason
         
            2009 Show Dates   

Jan 3 & 4 ................. Detroit
Jan 10 & 11 ........... Birch Run
Jan 17 & 18 .............. Monroe
Jan 24 & 25 ............... T.B.A.
Jan 31 & Feb 1 NEW SHOW ... Manistee
Feb 7 & 8 .................. Sturgis
Feb 13,14,15.3 Day Show. Lansing/Mason
Feb 21 & 22 ............ Kalamazoo
Feb 28, Mar 1 ........ Grand Rapids
Mar 7 & 8 ................. Monroe
Mar 14 & 15 ............ Cadillac
Mar 21 & 22 ........... Birch Run
Apr 1, 2, 3 ...3 Day Show. Lansing/Mason
Apr 18 & 19 ........... Grand Rapids
Apr 25 & 26 ........... Kalamazoo
May 2 & 3 ............... Cheyboygan
May 16 & 17 ........... Birch Run
May 23 & 24 ............ Harrison
June 13 & 14 ............. Monroe
June 27 & 28 .......... Grand Rapids
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: daveinmichigan on November 06, 2008, 11:18:37 AM
macomb county, here
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: nate49080 on November 07, 2008, 11:07:40 AM
Did you here Gov. Granhom is going to be on obamas financial board! hahaha!!!!
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: flmichigan on November 07, 2008, 05:52:55 PM
Greetings all from Clinton Township
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Nate on November 10, 2008, 04:42:01 PM
Did you here Gov. Granhom is going to be on obamas financial board! hahaha!!!!

Yeah, I did.  Doesn't quite make sense to me....  Maybe some of the Wall Street idiots should be on the board too?!?   ;) 

On another note:  I was at Gander Mountian in Coldwater, MI this weekend.  50 round Banana clips for 10/22's $30.  They also had several Mosin Nagant's for $100 each.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: nate49080 on November 11, 2008, 07:07:15 AM
i just dont know what those idiots are thinking. ill have to try to stop by GM, i want to see if the clips would fit a .22 viper. im going to try to go to south bend and check out the army surplus store. my friend goes there all the time and says it is really good. i heard reports of new GI issue jungle boots for 25 dollars. the one we have here in kzoo is youngs and he is a little expensive.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Nate on November 11, 2008, 08:17:02 AM
I have seen the $25 jungle boots in many surplus stores across southern michigan.  One store asked me what I want them for.  I said I am going to malaysia this winter and plan on doing some jungle trekking.  I was told they would last for that trip but not much longer.  You get what you pay for I guess.  So, I didnt buy them.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: nate49080 on November 11, 2008, 09:49:20 AM
i like malay i went there when i was in the service i got to travel to alot of countries in sw asia.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: rssnjr on November 13, 2008, 12:00:11 PM
Hi everyone, Ann Arbor here.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Nate on November 13, 2008, 06:07:15 PM
i like malay i went there when i was in the service i got to travel to alot of countries in sw asia.

Maybe off topic, but this will be my second trip there.  First trip I picked up a parang.  BEST KNIFE EVER!!  I plan on posting some pics in the blade threads about it when I get around to it.  I plan on picking up a second parang when I go this time.  My current one is 10in. which is a little too short so I am going to get a 12in one.  Awesome tools and cheap.  They are about RM18 which translates to about $6 US for the big ones!
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: nate49080 on November 14, 2008, 07:50:27 AM
haha i should send you the rest of my malay money, i am sure i have a lot left over.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: nate49080 on November 20, 2008, 08:41:12 PM
id like to anyone from michigan to let me know of any good army surplus stores, kalamazoo is slim pickings.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Nate on November 22, 2008, 02:41:09 PM
id like to anyone from michigan to let me know of any good army surplus stores, kalamazoo is slim pickings.

I havent found too many "good ones" in Michigan.  Most seem to have slim pickings and high prices.  EXCEPT for General Jim's in Claire.  IMO this is one of the best ones I have been to EVER.  Lots of selection decent prices.

If you are ever in Toledo, Ohio check out Woodville Surplus.  They have a small surplus section but they are a store for the working man.  Everything is reasonable.  They have a good camping dept, hunting, fishing, clothing, shoes and workwear depts.  Everything is reasonable.  Occasionally the owner's dog roams the store.  They have been in business since the 40's. 
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: nate49080 on November 23, 2008, 06:56:59 AM
i will defently try to go. any one that lets their dog walk around the store is a good person. i have never been to a store where their dog walks around and not liked the owner.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: nate49080 on December 02, 2008, 07:09:32 AM
i just wanted to remind everyone that the kalamazoo gun show is this weekend.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: daveinmichigan on December 03, 2008, 03:03:13 PM
Gun Show this weekend at the "Redneck Petting Zoo" Gibraltar Trade Center-Taylor. Is anyone going? ???
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: nate49080 on December 04, 2008, 09:28:22 AM
here is a great website for michigan gun owners please take a look.
http://www.mcrgo.org/mcrgo/d_ccwfaq.asp
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: systemaddict1 on December 13, 2008, 06:33:24 PM
I would just like to say hello to everyone. I am knew to this forum and I wish that I would have jumped on board to the whole survivalism thing sooner. I have been one of the many in Michigan that have gotten permanently laid off from the auto industry. But thank GOD that it did happen because it has given me a big wake up call.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Pokethis on December 13, 2008, 07:17:51 PM
Welcome! 
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: jhratzer on January 02, 2009, 11:06:28 AM
JHRATZER from N. Michigan here, Otsego County.  We have a really good crop of snow.  Looks to be a bumper crop of the white stuff this season.  If only my garden was as solid.  I plan to work on raised beds this new season.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: phothan2 on January 08, 2009, 11:11:35 AM
Sterling hts area here but a yooper at heart
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: daveinmichigan on January 30, 2009, 05:10:34 PM
Anyone going to the gun show at the Rock Financial showplace next weekend?
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Jimbo on February 02, 2009, 03:08:21 PM
Jimbo in SW Michigan checking in.
Am typing this whilst bouncing down the highway in a Michivan, ha-ha!

 Is there a PM feature like they have @ AR-15.com?

Am interested in gardening, solar energy & any other means to keep "Fedzilla" & the nanny state at bay. Good to go in the firearms department, but admit I'm shooting a lot more .22 and black powder than 5.56 & 9mm ball these days!

Globalism = SERFDOM
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: gutterdog2 on March 06, 2009, 12:19:26 AM
Hello from Port Huron! Glad to see a Michigan thread. Maybe someone can organize a bug out event for this summer.... anyone? anyone? Beuller?
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: jhratzer on March 06, 2009, 08:19:52 PM
Hello from Port Huron! Glad to see a Michigan thread. Maybe someone can organize a bug out event for this summer.... anyone? anyone? Beuller?

Nothin' better than a trip to exit 282 from I-75 in Gaylord for a meet up during the summer!
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: LGM30 on March 06, 2009, 10:36:44 PM
Hello from Allendale.
65 degrees today!
Spring is close.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: jhratzer on March 07, 2009, 06:57:11 PM
Hello from Allendale.
65 degrees today!
Spring is close.
Hello!
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: evilphish on March 20, 2009, 11:53:01 AM
berrien county here
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: jhratzer on March 21, 2009, 09:36:05 PM
Welcome!!!
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: jhratzer on March 21, 2009, 09:38:47 PM
Has anyone in Michigan began any aspect of gardening yet?  Still a little early here in N.Lower, but I have seeds sprouting in my kitchen.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: evilphish on March 22, 2009, 07:18:46 AM
I've jost got some seeds started thats about it.  thats about all we can do here in the corner.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Jimbo on March 23, 2009, 06:32:14 AM
 Adding to my compost pile. According to the Farmer's Almac, we're not clear of frost 'till May
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: angryamerican on April 06, 2009, 11:16:35 AM
Kent County, Near Grand Rapids checking in.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Nate on April 06, 2009, 01:23:45 PM
YAY Snow!!  Anyone else digging out from today's storm?
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: northmihick on May 01, 2009, 01:42:33 PM
Living in Traverse City, hoping to move to the country in the next few years.

Wife and I are currently gardening, got two big garden plots. Will eat most of it, but will market some at the local farmer's market. Hopefully money will still be worth something before it's over. No telling with the bunch of loons in Washington and Lansing now.

Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: nate49080 on May 07, 2009, 08:04:10 AM
hey i picked up .45 acp ammo at on-target for .50 cents apiece. they are a little expensive for everything else as far as im conserned but the is is the only place i found ammo.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Nate on May 07, 2009, 02:33:58 PM
I was at dunhams in ann arbor tuesday.  They had .45 acp and 9mm wadcutter ammo.  250 bulk packs in stock for each caliber.  I was looking for .22.  I don't have either of those calibers. 
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Skooter on May 15, 2009, 07:25:57 PM
Hey Michigan,
We are former and still summertime Michiganders, Muskegon area. Is there any summertime bug out get togethers planned yet?
We would love to hit one or more while we are up. We plan to be in state june 22 till Aug 10. If you have heard of any or are planning one let us know, Maybe we can help...
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: nate49080 on June 08, 2009, 07:09:27 PM
i just ordered my soe tatical sling. i wish i would of had it when i went to greyling this weekend with the 125th.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: liftsboxes on June 08, 2009, 07:13:22 PM
Hi there Michiganders.  My wife and I just move from Livonia in March, and she grew up on the East Side of Detroit.  Hope you guys are staying well back there in the mitten.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: nate49080 on June 12, 2009, 03:48:16 AM
i took my ccw class at viper security in kalamazoo. and it was a very good class and the instructers where great! This class was very fair priced.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Jimbo on June 17, 2009, 09:29:37 AM
 OT concerning survivalism, but is anyone going to the Benton Harbor WWII reenactment this weekend?? 19-21 June 09??
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: nate49080 on June 20, 2009, 11:00:00 AM
if i would of known that i would of came on friday. im not far from there.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: LGM30 on June 20, 2009, 04:54:28 PM
Just got back from a CCW Class at silver bullet firearms in Grand Rapids.
Very Well Done!
Sign up early if you are going to sign up.  They are booked solid through mid September, and It was March when I booked today's class.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: nate49080 on June 23, 2009, 05:51:52 PM
my ccw licence should be here any day. its like im waiting for the red ryder bb gun for x-mas!
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: nate49080 on June 24, 2009, 12:08:59 PM
I hope to close on my house soon. im going to turn the pool in to my garden.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: nate49080 on June 24, 2009, 04:50:13 PM
here is updates on the gun shows in michigan.



 2009 Show Dates   

June 27 & 28 .......... Grand Rapids

July 3, 4, 5 .3 Day Show.. Lansing/Mason
July 11 & 12 ..... CIVIL WAR SHOW Mason
July 18 & 19 .............. Cadillac
Aug 1 & 2 .............. Grand Rapids
Aug 8 & 9 ................ Birch Run
Aug 15 & 16 ................. Novi
Sept 5 & 6 ..................Harrison
Sept 12 & 13 .............. Monroe
Sept 19 & 20 ............ Birch Run
Sept 26 & 27 ............... Detroit
Oct 3 & 4 ..................... Sturgis
Oct 10 & 11 ............... Kalamazoo
Oct 17 & 18 ................. Cadillac
Oct 24 & 25 .................. Monroe
Oct 31 - Nov 1 ........ Grand Rapids
Nov 6, 7 & 8 .3 Day Show. Lansing/Mason
Nov 21 & 22 .................. Novi
Nov 27, 28 & 29 3 Day Show .. Birch Run
Dec 5 & 6 ................... Kalamazoo
Dec 12 & 13 ................. Monroe
Dec 19 & 20 .............. Grand Rapids
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: daveinmichigan on June 25, 2009, 08:22:09 PM
Thanks for a heads up on all the show date/locations.

Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: nate49080 on June 27, 2009, 12:07:50 AM
no problem.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: ignoramus maximus on July 05, 2009, 07:11:03 AM
Is there anyone out there trying to survive in the UP or NE Wisconsin?  Green Bay is home for now, but the UP is where I should be.  I spend a lot of time there.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: nate49080 on July 06, 2009, 06:57:06 PM
i wish i did i hope to buy some hunting property up there soon.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: nate49080 on July 11, 2009, 02:00:58 AM
Just wanted to let every one know that every two week on saterday at the kalamzoo rod and gun club that they have a 3 doller entry fee to the public to shoot bowling pins. I was told to bring about 100 rounds of pistol ammo.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on July 24, 2009, 08:47:22 AM
Hello All:
Am new to the forum.
I did not know there was anything in Michigan, A friend told me about it.
 I have been trying to find a group or start one here in Michigan  for several years. Haven’t had much luck finding any one that was really dedicated, and interested.

    An very interested in prepping. Am in the S/E part of the state so I will be doing a B/O to the northern part of the state if anything comes up. Don’t think it will be safe in the lower parts for the family.

That’s it in a nutshell
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: daveinmichigan on July 24, 2009, 10:28:10 AM
Welcome ScoutMaster,

There isn't a lot of traffic in this section, but the amount of info available on this forum is fantastic.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on July 24, 2009, 11:00:39 AM
I can see that, it looks very nice and as you say a lot of info. What really suppresses me is the lack if interest and concern by those of us in the northern parts of the country, Michigan and most other states up in the northern parts. Granted we do not have the natural disasters, and so on that the south does.

 But back a few years ago when the lights went out for only a few days, and years before that when unrest was in our major city’s it showed that we do have as much potential as the rest of the country for major unrest to take over, for a mutable number of reasons. And a very good reason not to be with in those areas, when it happens. 

It is amazing to me, I spent the best part of  the three years on several forums looking for others( michigan) that felt that way as well, and that seems to be the general feeling that nothing will happen here more than needing a few preps for a bad snow storm. I can only hope every one is right and I am wrong. 

Good to meet you
Just my thoughts
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: daveinmichigan on July 25, 2009, 10:38:06 AM
Unfortunately I fear that you are right and most everyone else is not yet ready to see it. One major problem in the prep community is that everyone seems to want to remain completely anonymous. I believe it is prudent to maintain a certain amount of privacy, but we all miss out on a lot of hugely beneficial friendships if we just hide in a bunker in the back yard.

As a friend of mine used to say "I love my country, but I fear my government." I am willing to pay my fair share of taxes and in exchange I want the government to do their jobs (law enforcement, roads, etc.) and NOTHING else.  Making like minded friend with complementary skill sets can only be a good thing.

Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: LGM30 on July 25, 2009, 07:30:17 PM
Welcome scoutmaster.
I'm on the west side of the state BOL up north as well.  It sure would be nice to generate some MI traffic.  I am not a socialite so I have no Idea how to start.  With the number of outdoors men, hunters, etc... that there are up here you'd think that there would be a huge prepper community.  Heck you just about need to be a prepper to live in the UP half the year.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on July 31, 2009, 07:15:31 AM
LGM

I agree on several counts, But I have come to believe it is a waste of time here in Michigan.  I spent the last two years trying to do just that. I even spared it out over three different forums, AR15, WR, and Able sentry. Tried to draw any Michigan persons there where from those three forums.

 I ended up finding three persons that said they where interested.. And as long as I was pushing hard we where able to keep a net going on A/S for about six months. We had two outings and talked quite a bit. Even got together for dinners once a month, or tried to. After about six months  the threeour started dropping off and it flopped. every one was too busy.

 Most of the time I felt like I was posting to myself on the forum but we would get a check in every now and then. So I finely gave up Not sure what the reason is other than it seems that every one believes there is a need, but we all seem to believe different things need to be done and most loose interest when it is not right in line with that. Seems most want or enjoy just collecting firearms and put shelter and so on far after that.   But if it is not really on the list of priorities, more treat it like something fun to do when there is nothing else. Sorry for the rant, I was just very disappointed when it fell apart.

Not really looking to start a group at a retreat or anything but it would have been nice to have a basic group that worked together could meet once in a while have a few outings and had communications, ( ham radio)  do groop buys,  be able to check in and communicate after the lights go out.  I think that living in Michigan At least in the lower part for sure requires a BOL in the upper part, or at least the upper lower. So many large city’s and people in the lower both east and west that are dependent on grid power, and all the basic utility’s that will be down once it all comes apart. It will be quite a mess. I remember Detroit back 30  years ago it was not pretty and we never even lost power.

 When I  heard about this forum I was hoping there where more Michigan persons gathered up on it  but it does not look like it. We will keep looking

SM
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Nate on July 31, 2009, 04:27:36 PM
Anyone near Jackson?  I went to the Sharon Valley public range today to try out my new Ruger .22.  The gun did fine, I just need to aim better!  But that is why I bought it, to improve my non-existent pistol skills.

As for BOL I live where I work and it so happens that work has 1200 acres of pasture and woodlands.  It also has a 250 acre lake.  I have decided that if the SHTF I will shelter in place.   My parents live 60 miles south in a rural area.  If I had to get out, that is my next place.  There are plenty of country roads heading south.   
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on July 31, 2009, 05:10:44 PM
sounds like a good plan, with that much room it sounds like it would give plenty of moving around room. I live in a subdivison just a few miles out side a city, Just where they would be looking to good pickins.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: jhratzer on July 31, 2009, 08:35:12 PM
I live in Northern Lower Michigan and hae a tough time finding like minded folks here too.  I seems as though everyone in ths area thinks that since theylive in Northern Michigan that there is no need to prep.  I guess we are pretty isolated, but  I ould love to have some folks to work along side of.  I raise  pretty nice garden and am really focusing on learning new things.  I come from a line of preppers, but geographically am pretty removed from them.  I wuld ove to get to know some of you and meet up if you are ever in the Gaylord area.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: jhratzer on July 31, 2009, 08:37:44 PM
Just went through CCW training last weeekend.  What a great class.  Very well done.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on August 01, 2009, 06:39:18 AM
Well it sounds like you have the jump on a great many of us. I have spent a lot of time up your way but live in the southern part and have always worked here as well. It sounds like you would be a great resource being already there and knowing the aria. Maby helping , If there is any one that is interested in finding a place up that way.  It has always been my thought that a loose nit group would be good then we can do some group buys trade Ideas and have communications between ourselves. At least knowing who we are talking to after something happens seems like it would be better than just talking to any one. You mentioned Ham radio I know there is a nice group in your aria I am sure there will be willing to meet with you and give you some help. I would not nesserey tell them that you are a preper  but ham radio was first put into use for just the type of emergency’s that we are expecting.

Glad to meet you
SM
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: jhratzer on August 01, 2009, 10:28:37 AM
I you are ever in the area, I would beglad to meet for coffee...Just let me know. 
jhratzer
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on August 01, 2009, 04:56:51 PM
once in a while, don't get over that way too often but if I do i will let you know
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on August 04, 2009, 07:12:04 AM
Hey all,

I'm brand spankin new to the forum.  I live near Brighton, and just started putting lists together for my preparedness.

A little about me and my skills:

Extremely proficient with shotgun
Proficient with handgun and rifle
CCW
10 years martial arts training (tae kwon do, jeet kun do, aikido, jujutsu)
Avid backpacker and camper
Experienced winter camping a few times



A friend of mine, who I'm hoping to get re-interested in survivalism, used to play a pseudo roleplaying game with me. The premise was that we had 3 days notice, and the rest of society did not. (I know this is an unrealistic premise, but we were teens.)  What would we buy, where would we go? I was thinking about that game a month ago, and decided to search the net on the topic and found a wealth of information.

Now, I'm making my lists, looking to my household items that can be easily put into service in The Calamity, and looking at what training I need to gear up and be prepared.

The hardest task so far has been to instill the need to do this with my wife. The Big Power Outage a few years back was a lesson, but one that's been forgotten. So, I am making what preps I can, letting her do the shopping, and insisting that we have extras of everything on the List. I'm trying to reinforce the idea that it won't be wasteful to buy this stuff, as we'll be using things out of our stock and replenishing as needed. 

As my list of basics grows and becomes complete, I plan to extend the amount I have of each item. So, if I have 100 9mm cartridges, I'm buying food, water filtration, first aid kits, and most of the other stuff on the list, then am going back to add another few hundred rounds to my 9mm inventory. (I have about 1000 rounds in various calibers all told, so I don't think 100 9's are too few in the short run).

The biggest complaint I see in the prepping/survivalist community is a "We'll see how the stupid people are faring when the shit hits the fan". It invokes an "us versus them" mentality, and sets up a confrontational mindset. In my eyes, the more open and honest we can be about our prepping (while maintaining Opsec), the better prepared a majority of people will be, and the less chance that people will become desperate. While I know that a high degree of compliance is not realistically going to happen, it's still a good goal to shoot for.  Kinda like world peace.  :D

D
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on August 04, 2009, 10:33:49 AM
Sounds like you have a good foot hold,  and glad to have others here in Michigan on board, Doesn’t seem like there is a lot of us in Michigan Just in all the states all around us.
 Been working at getting a very loose group here, going to do some group buying and things like that. Makes the prices better if we can get a lot then split it. Have you gotten into any dehydrated or freeze dried stuff yet?? They have some that have a 30 year plus life span.
Again welcome
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on August 04, 2009, 11:04:09 AM
Sounds like you have a good foot hold,  and glad to have others here in Michigan on board, Doesn’t seem like there is a lot of us in Michigan Just in all the states all around us.
 Been working at getting a very loose group here, going to do some group buying and things like that. Makes the prices better if we can get a lot then split it. Have you gotten into any dehydrated or freeze dried stuff yet?? They have some that have a 30 year plus life span.
Again welcome


Thanks for the Welcome.

I have eaten a lot of Mountain House freeze dried stuff before when hiking/backpacking. It is decent enough food.  Their 3x #10 cans are expensive, but their "per meal" price is about half of what a 2-serving backpacking meal is. Quantity Discount. They CAN be eaten cold, but warm is better. A few of these bags will be part of my GOODie bag, as they are more resilient to the thermal cycling that happens to stuff left in a car.

Costco has a 254 meals in a bucket emergency food container. Upon further investigation, it is mostly soup and pancake mix, and the servings are supposedly 1/2 of what a typical person would eat. I had thought about going that route as my first food storage purchase, but am saving up for a Mnt House 2x #10 setup first. The Costco kit just seems like too much $$ for a bunch of soup and bisquick.

I'm about a month out from getting the first shipment of food. I have a $100/month budget, and my first action is to trade in a revolver I have, add a little cash, and get a Saiga 12g shotgun. After that, food is next.  =)

D

Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on August 04, 2009, 12:20:48 PM
Sounds like a good plan, I have a lot of Mountain House as well,  We use to run into the Group buys once in a while and I picked up a lot of #10 cans at 1/2 off, haven’t seen those in a while. That was back before the average person was thinking of survival. But some times you see them. That is one of the things I was talking about when asking about doing Group buys as a group if for or five can put in one order you usually save a lot..

it is also good to have on hand when going from using up the house hold food to growing our own, here in Michigan it could be a few months before being able to plant a garden. I have a place set up at the BOL, but snow makes it hard to grow some things.

Also and I don’t know if you have thought of this , Is "LDS" (Later day saints church ) has a program( you not need to be a member) where you can go in with a small group and can your own stuff into #10 cans. it is about half the price and is just bulk dehydrated stuff and will last over 30 years. it is only the basic stuff potatoes carrots onions rice and so on, but they have a lot of the basics so it can just be bought once and put away. 

Just throwing thoughts up in the air if you can use any. 
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on August 04, 2009, 12:36:19 PM
Also and I don’t know if you have thought of this , Is "LDS" (Later day saints church ) has a program( you not need to be a member) where you can go in with a small group and can your own stuff into #10 cans. it is about half the price and is just bulk dehydrated stuff and will last over 30 years. it is only the basic stuff potatoes carrots onions rice and so on, but they have a lot of the basics so it can just be bought once and put away. 

Thanks for the tip!  I saw something on this when I started researching, but now that I've familiarized myself with more of the subject I see where this might be a good deal. 

When you say ""can your own stuff into #10 cans.... is just bulk dehydrated stuff....      Do you mean you bring your food there and they dehydrate/freeze-dry it to can, or they have stuff there and you supply $ and labor?   

Thanks for the tip!
Don
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on August 04, 2009, 02:05:24 PM
No they have it there, in bulk. Then you fill out an order form ( from them)

And then your group usually three or four of us, sets up a little assembly line. They have large bags of bulk stuff and your group divides it up with every ones order( same kind of stuff togather),   divides what every you  are processing  up into cans or pouches one product at a time. I all ways use cans it last longer and is easer to handle.

Some one puts on the label and some one puts a  oxygen absorber into the can and the last person puts the lid on the can with the machine they have. Then you have a can that will last 30 years on the shelf.  It is much less than the stuff you get on line. I guess because you do much of the labor putting it in cans and putting on the label. I think four of us fixed up about 40 or 50 cases, (six  # 10 cans in a case) in one evening about three or four hours.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on August 04, 2009, 03:16:29 PM
About how much $ does a case run, then?
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on August 04, 2009, 06:18:34 PM
it all depends on what it is, all my stuff is up at my BOL but I will look around and  and find one of my lists and let you know. I havent been there in several months .
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on August 04, 2009, 07:41:06 PM
I sent you an e-mail with the info, let me know if you get it. I have not tryed e-mail from this forum yet
SM
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on August 04, 2009, 07:47:14 PM
I sent you an e-mail with the info, let me know if you get it. I have not tryed e-mail from this forum yet
SM

I did get it! Thank you!  Those prices are very reasonable.  It will be on my To Do list in a little bit!

Don

Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: nate49080 on August 04, 2009, 09:24:39 PM
i just got back from 2 weeks of at training at camp greyling. it was nice. i learned alot while i was up there. i also have 2 weeks of tsp to listen to now.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on August 05, 2009, 06:51:03 AM
Nate49080

I think it was on the other thread, I posted a place or two to look of Hunting property or A bol ( I think it was you that ask)It could even be around where you just came from nice location up that way and looking better all the time
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on August 08, 2009, 07:07:44 PM
The hardest task so far has been to instill the need to do this with my wife. The Big Power Outage a few years back was a lesson, but one that's been forgotten. So, I am making what preps I can, letting her do the shopping, and insisting that we have extras of everything on the List. I'm trying to reinforce the idea that it won't be wasteful to buy this stuff, as we'll be using things out of our stock and replenishing as needed. 

Amazingly there are a lot of preparedness practices that save money in the long run. Dehydrating food, wood burning stoves, etc. This has really helped my wife come on board. While I know she won't be 100% onboard ever, the stuff I can't do on my own will likely get her support.

Like I said before, I am slightly tailoring my defense weaponry to a more suitable selection. After that, I'll do some food storage, as well as make my house more 4-season habitable without power.   I just got a truckload of wood from a buddy with a downed tree. Right now it's for the firepit and beer drinking, but if the wood burning stove idea comes to fruition, it will be used to supplement/replace the furnace usage.

Things are afoot!
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on August 09, 2009, 07:02:43 PM
Any one else in MI out of power most of the afternoon???

Donaldj

We have all done it a little at a time, but it comes a little at a time.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on August 10, 2009, 01:33:40 PM
Still out of power and it's monday afternoon. it like a third world country every time we have a storm thank goodnes for the genny
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Nate on August 10, 2009, 02:22:34 PM
Scoutmaster,

Hope you are doing OK.  I posted in another thread (Storm Kit) about my experience last night near Jackson.  We lost power last night for about 10 seconds.  That is all.  No major damage in my immediate area.  How are things were you are?
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on August 11, 2009, 05:52:45 AM
doing much better today, power finely came on last night at about 10:00 PM, it is amazing to me how there are so many sheeple that live around me. we loose power here a lot here, and 98% still don't have a jenny. You ever get up north here in the state??
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Mr. Blank on August 11, 2009, 06:30:43 AM
Hi everyone, Ann Arbor here.

Hey RS, I used to live in Ann Arbor. :) I actually grew up there. My friends told me the Fleetwood closed down...is that true or are they just messin with me?
I miss AA sometimes. Great town.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on August 11, 2009, 06:36:32 AM
I was born in AA, and actually I work in AA now.

I live up near Brighton so it's a fairly reasonable commute.

D
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Nate on August 11, 2009, 12:45:51 PM
My favorite places up North are the UP, Mackinac, Manistee river near mesick, sleeping bear dunes, and Nordhouse dunes wilderness area.  I get up around the Manistee 2 or 3 times a year.  I just discovered Nordhouse dunes last November.  I plan to go back in Sept. 
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on August 11, 2009, 01:14:57 PM
Nordhouse is excellent. I've backpacked there no less than 30 times, and winter camped there.

I like Pictured Rocks a lot. I through-hiked it a few years back.

I went to school at MTU, so the Kewenaw is familiar grounds. I love it up there.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: nate49080 on August 13, 2009, 10:37:13 PM
My wife wants to go to makinaw becase she has never been. And yes greyling is a beautiful place.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on August 14, 2009, 06:43:10 AM
Heading up to the  BOL for the week end for some of that nice northern air, and a load of stuff. See you all first of the week.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on August 15, 2009, 07:42:35 AM
Hello to all from the BOL, Trying something new . picked up an Air card for the computer. I am very surprised I did not think it would work very well, my cell is a bit of hit and miss from here and I kind of thought the air card would be also. I am several miles out in the woods so I have no grid power , phone lines or other comms. Have talked on HF and VHF from here but this is a first.

Just trying to keep all the bases covered. we will loose power here in michigan also when the grid goes down as well.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on September 03, 2009, 02:41:16 PM
Hello Michigan, it turning cool, time to gather the nuts a berries, preps and so on. Are there any prepers out there between the lakes??
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: evilphish on September 03, 2009, 02:58:05 PM
I'm down south of kzoo
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on September 03, 2009, 04:18:52 PM
Still here. Prepping is ongoing. I started a Google document to chronicle my preps.   I have a ton of things on my To Do list, and even more on my Excel list. I think I'm going to write a "How I Started" article one day. Here's what I have so far:



Preparedness Journal


20090731-

    * Started thinking seriously about prepping. Read forums and gleaned good ideas. Started making Excel sheets for supply lists and To Do lists.



20090801-

    * Located someone willing to trade the Ruger Super Redhawk for a Saiga 12 gauge. I deemed the revolver as a novelty weapon, which while fun, was not a practical tool. Other handguns serve self defense better, and the Saiga or the Browning would be preferable hunting weapons if needed.
    * Went to jujutsu training.



20090802-

    * Found several manuals online for dehydrating and other topics.
    * Decided to add several tasks to my To Do list involving Preparedness



20090805-

    * Went to jujutsu training.



20090806-

    * Purchased a dehydrator



20090807-

    * Started looking into wood burning stoves for heating and as an alternate cooking location. Spouse may or may not be onboard. Need to get a chimney guy out to look at the possibilities.
    * Got a truckful of wood from friend's yard. Also found out there is a chance of getting wood from coworker's brother (long drive required). Need to think about getting a chainsaw in the event that I'd have to cut my own.



20090809-

    * Requested martial arts instructor do action/reaction training to skill up reaction time and simulated combat.



20090810-

    * Went to jujutsu training.



20090812-

    * Started reading "One Second After"
    * Looked into tactical flashlights.
    * Need to get extra AA rechargeable batteries.
    * Started dehydrating. Making 1 apple and some apple roll-ups. Will purchase mylar bags and other supplies when able to successfully dehydrate.
    * Made preparations to get one Power source battery from work. More incoming?
    * Found a good bag sealer on HarborFreight.  http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=43477 (http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=43477)
    * Went to jujutsu training.
    * Tried one of the apple fruit roll-ups!   Yummie!!!



20090813-

    * Continued reading One Second After
    * Need to get serious thought into 2 bug-out bags, maybe 3 (one for child!). Added to task list.
    * Wrote to contact  again regarding the Saiga12.



20090814-

    * Ordered the 15.5 inch mylar bag sealer from Harbor Freight.
    * Talked to spouse about getting more food to dehydrate.
    * Called contact re Saiga. He is still out of town until Sunday.
    * Suggested to brother that he start prepping.
    * Ordered 250 mylar bags and 300 oxygen absorbers



20090817

    * Went to jujutsu training
    * Ordered a test "kit" from Angel Food Ministries.



20090819

    * Went to jujutsu training



20090824-

    * Received the 15.5 inch mylar bag sealer from Harbor Freight
    * Started to dehydrate potatoes and bananas
    * Gave up on contact with the Saiga. No responses.
    * Spouse got a case of canned corn and other stuff.
    * Need to find a way to inventorize.
    * Went to jujutsu training



20090826-

    * Went to jujutsu training.



20090829-

    * Went to jujutsu training and tested for rank.
    * Traded the Ruger Super Redhawk for the Saiga 12 gauge at Guns Galore.



20090830-

    * About to wrap up 15 pounds of potatoes in the dehydrator. Will bag and tag it Tuesday night.
    * Sent spouse a shopping list with September's items listed.
    * Need to order powdered milk.
    * Need to inventorize, still.


20090831-
    * Went to jujutsu


20090901-

    * Inventorized using Excel. The large quantity of lists of things needed is daunting. When inventorizing food, I've decided just to inventorize by entry, instead of grouping everything together (I can filter for that). So, if spouse goes to store and gets a case of canned corn, and a sack of potatoes that I dehydrate, each gets put in as a row. If I need to determine the amount of potatoes I have, I can filter on it, and find out all potato entries.


Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: evilphish on September 03, 2009, 05:53:16 PM
hey donaldj where abouts in the mitten are you?
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on September 03, 2009, 05:57:01 PM
I'm near Brighton.   ;D
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on September 03, 2009, 06:06:08 PM
Sounds good, Any of you guys hams, have any favorite frequencies  maybe we can hook up some group buys,
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on September 03, 2009, 06:20:10 PM
Not an amateur radio user, sorry. The only RF transmitter I own is my cell phone and a walkie talkie.  =)
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: evilphish on September 03, 2009, 06:38:56 PM
your not that far from my rents and sis

no not a ham....yet :)
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on September 04, 2009, 06:54:14 AM
It is a great way to communicate, and the best part is they cant shut it off when they want too, And it can be 8 miles or 800 miles still the same
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on September 18, 2009, 06:16:12 AM
My wife took my son to the local apple orchard this past weekend, and they bought WAY too many apples. So, after suckin down a few yummy donuts and about a quart of cider, I was left with the daunting task of figuring out how 2 adults and 1 15-month old child will eat a bushel of apples.

I gave 20 to a neighbor. She is making herself and us a yummy apple pie. I saved 10 for regular consumption, and started dehydrating the rest.

After 4 days working the dehydrator, I have about 20 apples done, and in their dehydrated state I was able to fill a single 1-gallon mylar bag. Popped in an O2 absorber and sealed it up.

This, of course, after I saved a bunch of them to eat. I think I like dehydrated apple wedges spritzed in lemon juice more than fresh apples now...   With the last few, I might pre-season them with cinnamon.


Anyways, do any of you guys store wheat? If so, where do you get it from locally?

Don
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on September 18, 2009, 08:14:57 AM
Wheat, Rice, Oats, potatoes, Apples, onions, and many others,  At LDS, (The church of ladder day saints) has a food program that you can buy all of these, it is much cheaper but the catch is you need togo to a dispersal location and take  their bulk products  and put them in 35 year cans yourself. It is easy to do, saves a lot and you do not need to be a member of there group.  We try to do group buys ( meaning several of us) (making an assembly line to pack it up). if we can now and then. They encourage non members to use the program.

It is one of the reasons it would be great to have a loose  prep group here in michigan, There are several things like  this that could be done. but it just dosen't seem to work out.  I have made several trips and they use #10 cans or pouches I like the cans the fresh date is much longer you do them up your self so you know what is in the can and is much easer than going from scratch yourself. altho I must take my hat off to you for doing up some.      
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on September 19, 2009, 03:48:56 PM
I think every one left Michigan, And even turned the lights out. THANKS JENNY,
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: daveinmichigan on September 20, 2009, 07:34:00 AM
There are still a few of us left still here (I don't like seeing my name and left in the same sentence :-)

Just trying to keep my head down and stay out of trouble. I am still shocked that we don't have more people posting on here. I always forget what region we are and it seems like the only time I end up on the Region Four forum is when it shows up on the "Show unread posts since last visit" search.


Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: daveinmichigan on September 20, 2009, 07:38:00 AM
I see the LDS have a cannery setup in Farmington Hills and it is open to non-LDS members too.

http://www.homestoragecenter.net/
 (http://www.homestoragecenter.net/)
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: evilphish on September 20, 2009, 07:42:43 AM
I'm still here, just nothing new specific to the wolverine state for me to talk about.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on September 20, 2009, 07:52:42 AM
I see the LDS have a cannery setup in Farmington Hills and it is open to non-LDS members too.

http://www.homestoragecenter.net/
 (http://www.homestoragecenter.net/)


Cool Dave!  That's very conveniently located to me. 

Do you happen to know the costs associated with this? 
Is it freeze dried or dehydrated?


As for MI not being too busy, keep in mind it's a very big state. Calumet and Kalamazoo are NOT conveniently located even though they share the same state name. Don't give up hope of things getting busier around here!
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on September 20, 2009, 03:59:54 PM
It's dehydrated No sure on the price any more, it's been 6 months sense I was there but I think it is on line some place. But it is much cheaper than most of the normal on line stuff and no shipping
SM
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: beagle on September 21, 2009, 06:18:00 AM
North Oakland County chiming in!  Let me know when you're going to the LDS cannery, I would love to split the labor / costs, and help each-other out!!
-Beagle
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on September 21, 2009, 06:20:07 AM
Woot!  Beagle, welcome!

I only just recently got here myself.

Don
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Gunpilot on September 22, 2009, 07:32:35 AM
Don, I am located near brighton myself. Both Scoutmaster and I have kept in touch on ham.

Maybe a meet for dinner some night at a local restaurant?
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on September 22, 2009, 07:38:32 AM
Sounds good!  I'm swamped for the next couple weeks, but we'll get something arranged.

Everyone else is invited, too, if you want to make the trip.   =)

D

Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on September 22, 2009, 03:42:02 PM
Sure the more the better,
 I know that you all have lots going on, But have any of you ever thought about communications if all grid and cells go off line. Sounds like we are all with in range, GP and myself talk all the time.
SM
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on September 23, 2009, 09:56:20 AM

 I know that you all have lots going on, But have any of you ever thought about communications if all grid and cells go off line. Sounds like we are all with in range, GP and myself talk all the time.


Just wondering if any one has thought about Comms for there familey, or others that are like minded??

FRS,MURS,CB,GMRS,Ham ?? Anything. Just seems like a natural prep to me. What do you all think??
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: barbie37 on September 23, 2009, 11:31:49 AM
Hi Nate,

Great idea! I'm fairly new here and love the site. I have been thinking for awhile now, how can I find like-minded people in my area?  I'm from Port Huron, north of Detroit one hour.

Barb
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: barbie37 on September 23, 2009, 11:40:17 AM
Hi Nate,
Sorry I'm just learning the site and sent you a personal email by mistake..
I was starting to read through all the posts after you said you wanted to start  a Michigan forum, and was interested in getting the book you mentioned, "When Technology Fails". Can you tell me where to find it?

tx alot
Barb
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on September 23, 2009, 12:09:12 PM
If I might make a suggestion, all Michiganders select the NOTIFY option on this thread, so they're sent an email when something new happens on this board. Of course, replying is still totally optional, but it may help pull us together knowing there is some traffic here.

Other than that, how does Friday October 23 look for a quick bite to eat or a coffee somewhere?

D
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on September 23, 2009, 12:11:36 PM
I might also suggest participating the the TSP map project here:

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=111351104946671118836.000473e0d298c44182527 (http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=111351104946671118836.000473e0d298c44182527)

if you are willing to, so we have a good idea of the geographic challenges we have as a group.   ;D
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on September 23, 2009, 02:06:48 PM
23rd sounds good to me, If we have enough interest in having  it, I am in.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: evilphish on September 23, 2009, 07:20:54 PM
Quote
I might also suggest participating the the TSP map project here:

DAMN GEOGRAPHY!!!

Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on September 24, 2009, 05:53:39 AM


Do you happen to know the costs associated with this? 
Is it freeze dried or dehydrated?



The cost sheet is on the same page dave highlighted when it comes up, and on the right side about half way down.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Nate on September 25, 2009, 09:43:41 PM
I might also suggest participating the the TSP map project here:


DonaldJ,

How do I participate in the project?
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on September 26, 2009, 05:36:23 AM
I just checked it out and can see your icon. Looks like you figured it out.

Don

Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Nate on September 26, 2009, 05:45:47 AM
I just checked it out and can see your icon. Looks like you figured it out.


Yeah, it just seemed to simple after I asked you.  I thought I would have to contact some evil globalist forum moderator to get on there!   ;)
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: nate49080 on October 06, 2009, 09:08:41 PM
i heared that there will be a gun show in kalamazoo this weekend at the kalamazoo fair grounds in michigan.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: AntNotGrasshopper on October 07, 2009, 08:39:35 AM
Checking in from Chelsea...
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on October 07, 2009, 08:48:02 AM
Welcome, brucet!

I work in the AA area.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on October 08, 2009, 08:03:01 AM
Other than that, how does Friday October 23 look for a quick bite to eat or a coffee somewhere?

So, who would be showing up if we did this, say in Brighton?   I'm thinking 7:30 or 8pm at some coffee house somewhere in that town, meet each other, BS for a while?

I'll likely bring my lists, and my prep logs to date, and maybe see how on track I am compared to others.

Reply if you have the date available AND would be willing to show up if we had it.

Don
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on October 08, 2009, 08:28:49 PM
I am sure I could be there, it would be nice to have a few like minded persons together, if there is enough interest
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on October 16, 2009, 06:59:13 AM
Well, since there was only one other respondent, I'm going to cancel the get together. We'll try again in the springtime when people want to come out and play.   ;D
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on October 16, 2009, 07:17:26 AM
It's kind of what i was thinking. very sad really  sooner or later we will run out of time.  and we all be  dead in the water.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: evilphish on October 16, 2009, 10:31:56 AM
my rents dont live farm from some of you, i'll let you know next time way in advance when i plan to pay them a visit
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: beagle on October 22, 2009, 08:17:05 AM
Hey everybody, 

hopefully enjoying the warm spell after last weeks freeze!!  I'm looking for info on deer hunting, and growing seedlings during the winter.

 I was wondering,  do any of you hunt deer on public land?  if so, where would be a good spot for a novice (i sat on a bucket once for an hour / no deer!!) hunter to get his feet wet?  I'm in oakland county, but have no problem driving a couple of hours in any direction.

also, since we can't grow a garden outside (i got the square foot garden book and plan on doing it this spring)  does anyone have any links to some good info on sprouting/ growing inside till spring?

taking up reloading, using borrowed equipt. - any good local sources for powder/ componants?  I found some online sellers and ordered once fired brass and primers., but still need powder and bullets.  any recomendations would be appreciated

last but not least, i made beer bread with a recipe i found online using brown sugar.  it was awsome,  I'll post recipe later.


Hopefully everyone is doing well, any and all help is appriciated, and hopefully i can help in the future!!

thanks,

beagle
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on October 22, 2009, 08:20:03 AM
Welcome Beagle!

I hope to be deer hunting for the first time this year also.  I have a friend with some land up near Fenton. He said it would not be a challenge since his land looks like a deer-highway half the time.

He gets a license, sits out opening morning, and after about 15 minutes has the option to bag one. He's since gotten far more selective in his targets, but he said if you're looking to fill a freezer, it shouldn't take too long.

I also plan on getting into reloading next year. I want to save up my own brass instead of buying bulk brass, so through the winter and into next summer is shooting time!

D

Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on October 22, 2009, 10:36:34 AM
Welcome Beagle

Can,t help you much in the hunting in the southern parts of the State, I usually spend my time in the northern part of the lower.

garden

Don,t have one down here either as Most of my preping infrastructure is up there. If we have an event that would require the preps I would be leaving heading north as well so mine (garden) is up there. Dear and small furry critters  being the biggest problem there.
but I look at them as steaks on the hoof if needs be and would be much less of a problem once we start to harvest them.

Reloading

finding primers will be the biggest changeling part. Power and led is a bit scarce but can be found.

I use the following,  to get my stuff. Local stuff if you can find them is usually a rip off, and priced really high. Local primers if you can find them are usually at least $20.00 a 1000 higher than mail order. Just remember when ordering you must usually pay an has-mat fee on power and primers.

http://www.powdervalleyinc.com/ (http://www.powdervalleyinc.com/)

http://www.shop.rmrbullets.com/ (http://www.shop.rmrbullets.com/)

http://www.olddominioncartridgeco.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=1_9 (http://www.olddominioncartridgeco.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=1_9)

Good luck, Again welcome Would be interested in where you stand on preping?

SM


Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: SigMan34 on October 22, 2009, 10:45:41 AM
Hey, fellow Michiganders!

Sorry I noticed this thread after you'd cancelled the get together. Maybe another time.

I'm a REAL newbie here, and to prepping as well, so I'm all ears! Holed up over south of Grand Rapids.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on October 22, 2009, 10:54:25 AM
Welcome SigMan

The thread ( Michigan) is not real active but we will do what we can, maybe we can even come up to speed with some of the rest of the states if we can get some folks that are interested.
Again Welcome
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: evilphish on October 22, 2009, 01:22:52 PM
hey sigman

how far south of grand rapids are you?  i live in niles (about hour an a half south of kzoo if you take 131)  spent a lot of time around gun lake as a kid and young adult and most of my high school friends now live in GR.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: SigMan34 on October 22, 2009, 02:03:01 PM
scoutmaster, evilphish, thanks much for the warm welcomes.

I'm actually in Byron Center, just south of GR --- 5 miles or so. I know of Niles, of course. I worked 12 years in K'zoo, but have been near GR for the past 20 years.

Small world, my wife's family owns a little cottage on Green Lake, just a few miles north of Gun Lake. Most Sundays are spent at the lake and we all love it, of course.

I'll be staying in touch...
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: evilphish on October 22, 2009, 04:48:48 PM
i havn't been up to gun lake in years.  miss that area.  always felt like home to me. 
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Nate on October 22, 2009, 05:06:39 PM
Welcome aboard Sigman!  My cuz and her fiance' live somewhere in Byron Center.  Nice area!  I am near Jackson.

I would like to become a Michigan hunter.  I know the first step is getting hunter ed. out of the way.  I was born in Ohio and too that one about 16 years ago.  I should do it for Michigan.  Does anyone have experience with the online/home study class for Michigan hunter ed?  Thanks!

Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: SigMan34 on October 23, 2009, 12:31:51 PM
Thanks, Nate, I'm very glad to be here and getting to know you all. Yeah, we love the B.C. area. Unfortunately, I work on the north end of G.R. so I have a 20-mile commute each day...right through the S-curve, downtown!

We have a gun shop/range, The Silver Bullet, near us that offers Hunter Ed classes. Have you checked around you for a place like that? Sorry, I didn't know it was offered online. My stepson took the class at the Silver Bullet last year and I know it included some shooting time, too.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on October 23, 2009, 12:34:02 PM
I am not saying that there is not a class on line but,  I have never heard of one. I have taught several classes at out local club,  and as far as I know it is a must attend type of thing. They have the legal stuff but a lot of gun handling as well that would be hard to do on line.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: beagle on October 24, 2009, 01:41:31 PM
donaldj - your friends land in fenton....any chance it backs up to state land? ;)  that way i can go out and be successful?

scoutmaster - thanks for the links!!  I found a website called "reloadersauction.com" and got some once fired 44 mag brass and primers.  I still need to get the dies, bullets, and powder, but taking it slow!! (I want to get new sights for my 10/22, and have to save my pennies!!)   as to where I stand prepping, I'm 2 steps above the bottom ;D  trying to get debt free, and get things we need, and keep everyone happy.  Got into prepardness more after the blackout we had 5 or 6 years ago, but mostly in the past year (always been interested, but in an armchair book reading kind of way)

the good news is i'm on the path, a long way to go, but I'll get there!!
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on October 24, 2009, 02:01:37 PM
donaldj - your friends land in fenton....any chance it backs up to state land? ;)  that way i can go out and be successful?

It does not. It backs up to a few farms. The neighbors seem to have an understanding that you can track deer onto their land after it has been shot, but respect one another and only actively hunt on their own land.

I know Island Lake gets overrun with hunters every year. I think the deer get smart and head over to Kensington in the winter.   ;D
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on October 24, 2009, 02:39:43 PM
I still need to get the dies, bullets, and powder, but taking it slow!


Not sure what you are going to use for loading but after using a rockchucker for several years , it was very slow i picked up a Dillon off from e-Bay and found it to be much better when it comes to loading quite a few, and I can change dies and do different cals. it was the cheap square deal one and it seems to work fine.

Good luck
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donald150 on November 01, 2009, 02:24:19 PM
I still use a RCBS rock chucker. I would love to get a Dillon. As for reloading components, at the last Birch Run gun show there was all the primers you could buy. Not as cheap as they used to be. They were $40 per 1000 as for bullets, there is always lead projectiles at the Birch Run show cheaper than I have found anywhere online.

If you have not been to the Birch Run gun show then shame on you. It is the best one in Michigan. I don't ever miss that one.
It is coming up this month 27,28 and 29th as seen here http://www.migunshows.com/ (http://www.migunshows.com/) lots of military surplus stuff there too.
You can also get $1 off admission with a coupon from this web site. I use it every time. http://www.migunshows.com/Showbuck.html (http://www.migunshows.com/Showbuck.html) It is good for all the gun shows on this web site.
http://www.migunshows.com/ (http://www.migunshows.com/)
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: beagle on November 02, 2009, 05:30:48 AM
my bro-in-law has a single stage I can borrow, just need to get the dies.  He has a redding, can I use any brand of die, or do I have to use redding?  (lee brand is alot cheaper)

also, last week my job cut me 20% in pay.  and forced my wife and I to really take alook at things, cut the spending.

 It's a blessing in disguise because we have not been working on our debt, just keeping it the same.  now we're both on the band wagon to get rid of it, go on a strict cash only basis, and work on getting debt free.   Another blessing is I can pick up some extra work from people I know, small side jobs.

the last blessing, is my birthday and christmas are coming up, so between the two, I'll end up with some dies, bullets, and powder!!

-beagle
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: nate49080 on November 08, 2009, 09:40:38 PM
Just a couple more days untill hunting season!
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on November 09, 2009, 06:21:48 AM
Just a couple more days untill hunting season!

I sighted in my shotgun yesterday. That Saiga has a very short sight radius. Not conducive to accurate shooting.  Luckily, it looks like a typical shot from the place I'll be taking is only about 45 yards or so. I was comfortably accurate in that range.

D
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: SigMan34 on November 09, 2009, 10:08:02 AM
Just a couple more days untill hunting season!

Yup, I'm headed up to Benzie County to our camp this Thursday; can't wait.

Getting from here to Thursday will undoubtedly be the longest 3 days in history!!!
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on November 10, 2009, 10:20:08 AM
Been up here for several days it has been Great Nicest weather I have seen in years, good luck all in the hunt.

Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: beagle on December 08, 2009, 06:58:28 AM
any sucess stories from deer camp?
pics?
lies about how big the one that got away was?
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: SigMan34 on December 08, 2009, 09:01:11 AM
any sucess stories from deer camp?
pics?

In six days of hunting, we saw two does.............heard the fewest shots in the distance of any year we can remember..............BUT still had a ball, as you might imagine. The weather was strange; not a flake of snow and high temps in the 40s and 50s. I'm seeing reports that the harvest statewide was down 10 - 30%.

                  HOME SWEET (away from) HOME

(http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u270/p_h_griffith34/2009%20Deer%20Camp/2009_10172008DeerCamp0006.jpg)
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on December 08, 2009, 11:01:08 AM
HI all,
 Maybe the DNR has finely gotten what they want   in cutting down the heard  it sure seems like they have been working at it for a while.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: SigMan34 on December 08, 2009, 01:11:04 PM
HI all,
 Maybe the DNR has finely gotten what they want in cutting down the heard  it sure seems like they have been working at it for a while.


Yup, I hear ya there.

Funny, too, is that the reports I'm reading have said nothing about the baiting ban in the LP as maybe having anything to do with a smaller harvest. Go figger...........
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Nate on December 08, 2009, 08:51:01 PM
From my observations being a Jackson county resident, I have noticed more gun shots than normal.  Some of the guys I work with have venison running out their ears.  They are giving away some backstraps to me!!  Yay!!  I have not heard any official reports of the Jackson county harvest though.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on December 09, 2009, 05:46:21 AM
I think the observations might be correct on both counts, It seems like in past years, they(DNR) have tried very hard to reduce or completely remove  in some cases the deer population in the northern parts of the state, and I think we have all seen the deer population  and size increasing it the southern parts of the state. I know many  Guys in the northern parts that have not seen a deer in several years, Buck doe or otherwise.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: SigMan34 on December 09, 2009, 02:00:49 PM
Some of the guys I work with have venison running out their ears.  They are giving away some backstraps to me!!  Yay!!

Nate, in my brief time on this forum one of the most fantastic things I've experienced is "People Helping People", so please know I stand ready to help you and/or your friends with ALL that excess venison, should storage space become a problem, or in any other way I can!!!  ;)  ;)  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on December 09, 2009, 02:12:32 PM
I ended up not going this year. We got very busy at work, so decided the overtime was an opportunity not to pass up.
 :-\

My understanding was they wanted drastic population decreases to help prevent the spread of bovine tuberculosis. So, they were encouraging over-hunting for a few years to do just that.

I'm surprised that with the unemployment here in MI more people weren't trying to hunt. A freezer full of meat for the price of a cartridge ain't a bad deal. 
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: CyborgX on January 12, 2010, 06:28:19 PM
Born and raised in Kalamazoo, I'm a rolling stone. Been all over Michigan, though I'm presently gathering moss in Detroit.

New to the site, figured I'd drop in and make my presence known.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: SigMan34 on January 13, 2010, 05:24:21 AM
Hey CyborgX, welcome from the other side of our fair state..........near Grand Rapids. I did grow up in the Detroit area though, a nice place to be from, IMHO!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on January 13, 2010, 06:11:08 AM
Born and raised in Kalamazoo, I'm a rolling stone. Been all over Michigan, though I'm presently gathering moss in Detroit.

New to the site, figured I'd drop in and make my presence known.

Yup! Welcome to the forum! 

Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on January 13, 2010, 08:14:46 AM
Born and raised in Kalamazoo, I'm a rolling stone. Been all over Michigan, though I'm presently gathering moss in Detroit.

New to the site, figured I'd drop in and make my presence known.


welcome,
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on January 15, 2010, 07:27:43 AM
Born and raised in Kalamazoo, I'm a rolling stone. Been all over Michigan, though I'm presently gathering moss in Detroit.

New to the site, figured I'd drop in and make my presence known.

Again welcome but as you can see Michigan is asleep when it comes to prepers, at least for the most part.
Good Luck
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Nate on January 15, 2010, 07:32:19 AM
Again welcome but as you can see Michigan is asleep when it comes to prepers, at least for the most part.
Good Luck

zzzzz.......what!?! Oh, I am awake now!   ;)  Welcome to the forum!
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Nate on January 15, 2010, 07:32:29 AM
Again welcome but as you can see Michigan is asleep when it comes to prepers, at least for the most part.
Good Luck

zzzzz.......what!?! Oh, I am awake now!   ;)  Welcome to the forum!
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Nate on January 15, 2010, 07:53:07 AM
If anyone is close the the border with Ohio and/or is willing to make a drive tonite I know of a good wild game dinner.  The Fulton County Sportsman's club in Wauseon, Ohio is hosting their annual Coon Supper.  $20 gets you door prize tix, raffle tix, all u can eat wild game, and drinks.  I have been going to this dinner as long as I can remember and it is always good food and good times.  The club is located just off the Wauseon exit of the Ohio Turnpike.  I will be there for sure!

http://www.fultoncosportsmenclub.org/about_us.html (http://www.fultoncosportsmenclub.org/about_us.html)
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Jimbo on January 16, 2010, 07:23:20 PM
 Me-n-SigMan34 had a micro SW Michigan meetup & rabbit hunt today... Would've had pictures to post, but I slipped on the ice, busted my ass and smashed the digital camera when we had some range time. SigMan34, he likey my 10/22 and I think his S&W Mod 19 is the cat's azz.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: evilphish on January 16, 2010, 08:34:41 PM
Quote
Me-n-SigMan34 had a micro SW Michigan meetup & rabbit hunt today.

where are you guys?   i'm in niles.. not far from St. Joe BH?
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on January 17, 2010, 12:16:10 PM
Looks good, you guys have the makings of a good small working group over on the west side, we on the east side still lacking interested persons
good luck
SM
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: evilphish on January 17, 2010, 06:11:42 PM
don't worry.  my rents live on the east side.. so i'm over in the bad lan... err detroit area more often then I used to be for family visits that I can break away from.

Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on January 17, 2010, 06:13:35 PM
I think us SE Michiganders need to have a day at the gun range one day in late March or early April.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: evilphish on January 17, 2010, 08:28:19 PM
I'm thinking that may be a good idea ;)
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: SigMan34 on January 18, 2010, 05:53:24 AM
where are you guys?   i'm in niles.. not far from St. Joe BH?

Well, you're not THAT far from us, Evilphish. I'm just south of Grand Rapids and Jimbo is maybe 10 miles on south of me. We'll be sure to let you know the next time we get together to burn some powder or whatever. It sure is great to share thoughts and ideas with a like-minded brother.

I had a ball trompin' through the woods with Jimbo and his trusty rabbit dog. The bunnies are safe for another time, unfortunately, but we sure had a ball lookin' for 'em. The range time afterward was truly a blast. And Jimbo's right:  I will be adding a Ruger 10/22 to the collection...had a ball with that rifle!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: jhratzer on January 18, 2010, 11:01:59 AM
[where are you guys?   i'm in niles.. not far from St. Joe BH?]

We live in Otsego County, Middle Finger, Top knuckle of "the hand".  We are bugged out comparatively speaking.  We own ten rural acres and do a fair bit of gardening.  Working on my food preps and would love to know someone that comes this way or is within a decent drive.  Would be willing to spend a Saturday traveling in state to meet a few folks.  I haven't posted in a while, however, I keep up with the shows daily. 
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: SigMan34 on January 18, 2010, 02:31:11 PM
[where are you guys?   i'm in niles.. not far from St. Joe BH?]

We live in Otsego County, Middle Finger, Top knuckle of "the hand".  We are bugged out comparatively speaking.  We own ten rural acres and do a fair bit of gardening.

THAT sounds like heaven, jhratzer! My jealous bones are achin' right now! First I see Jimbo's fantastic location, now this...c'mon y'all, yer killin' me here!!!  :o

Maybe we could get a Michigan meet-n-greet at a centralized location going yet...once the weather is a bit more dependable, that is. I'd be ALL for it, that's for sure.  :)
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: evilphish on January 18, 2010, 03:16:27 PM
Quote
Well, you're not THAT far from us, Evilphish. I'm just south of Grand Rapids and Jimbo is maybe 10 miles on south of me. We'll be sure to let you know the next time we get together to burn some powder or whatever. It sure is great to share thoughts and ideas with a like-minded brother.

sure let me know.  I have several friends that live in GR so i'm there a few times a year, and its only a few hours away from here.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on January 18, 2010, 04:30:54 PM
jhratzer,

At least every one is not on the other side of the state, I am in the S/E some of the time, Have a BOL in the N/E. In fact I will be heading up that way tomorrow,  Don't know if you will be up to it but we could get together if you like. I will be up there for the rest of the week. And I spend a lot of time up there it is my get away, and BOL.

I for got to ask, do you do any ham radioing? I am into it a bit. Have one in the car and at home. We use it as coms for preping??
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: mountain.sarge on January 28, 2010, 06:56:42 PM
Man, I miss Michigan. Home for me is Hillsdale County and the wife is from Kalkaska County, I have about 2 1/2 years till I retire from the Army and we are so moving back home as soon as we can. Heck, we are looking for a BOL up in the Kalkaska/Antrim county area. We figured this is the best time to start buying a place back home.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: SigMan34 on January 29, 2010, 08:12:44 AM
...we are looking for a BOL up in the Kalkaska/Antrim county area.

Oh man, Sarge, you're talking God's Country there!

Best of luck on the property search. Thank You for your service!
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: mountain.sarge on January 30, 2010, 08:11:28 AM
SigMan34, it has been my pleasure to have worn the uniforms of this nation for the last 18 years. It gave me a chance to learn alot of very valuable lessons. The most important ones are that our lives are fragile and that we all have to be personally responsible for what ever happens and fails to happen in those lives. It is also why we want to come back to MI. Having been all over this county and this world for that matter, there's no place that is quite like the woods of Northern Michigan.  ;) 
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: SigMan34 on February 01, 2010, 06:45:15 AM
Having been all over this county and this world for that matter, there's no place that is quite like the woods of Northern Michigan.  ;) 

Amen, brother...I couldn't agree more. I get up there as often as possible, but not near often enough!!!
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on February 05, 2010, 08:03:39 AM
Hello Michiganders!

There are some Appleseed shoots coming up in early Spring. One is on April 17-18 in Fenton, MI.  I want to participate in at least 1 this year, and this just might me a good one to start with.

I'm thinking that the Michigan folks here need a "Meet n Greet" type gathering, and I cannot think of any venue better than this.

What do you guys think of getting together, doing the shoot, and maybe having dinner together afterward?


http://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index.php?topic=11242.0 (http://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index.php?topic=11242.0)


Don


Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: SigMan34 on February 05, 2010, 09:18:25 AM
What do you guys think of getting together, doing the shoot, and maybe having dinner together afterward?

I was all set to jump in with a "Heck yeah, about time we really get together", Don...then the date hit my aging brain:  I'm heading to Washington D.C. for the 2nd Amendment March that weekend.

The march is scheduled for Monday, April 19th >>> http://www.secondamendmentmarch.com/ (http://www.secondamendmentmarch.com/)

Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on February 05, 2010, 09:26:00 AM
Well, the one after that is July 3-4. So... if the venue appeals to all, we might just have to coincide our Meet n Greets with these.  That should guarantee 3-4 meets a year, and eventually everyone will meet everyone else.   :D

You sure you can't come for the Saturday session? It looks like they allow partial attendance.

D

Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: SigMan34 on February 05, 2010, 10:12:03 AM
You sure you can't come for the Saturday session? It looks like they allow partial attendance.

Hey, I hope I didn't hijack your thread, Don; that sure wasn't my objective.

Anyway, I've made plans with my son to spend Sunday visiting some hallowed ground:  the WWII Memorial and The Wall ('Nam Memorial).

We lost my Dad, his Grandpa, two years ago and he served in WWII; Vietnam was my deal, so it will be a pretty special, if not sobering day to visit both with my boy.

But you can already count me IN for July. We've just GOT to get together, Michiganders!
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on February 05, 2010, 10:16:18 AM
Hey, I hope I didn't hijack your thread, Don; that sure wasn't my objective.

No hijack perceived!   :D

This appleseed shoot has me looking at the Walther G22 now...  Sexy bullpup goodness, lefty model available... 22LR chambered...   Dammit I think I just mentally committed to this!
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: beagle on February 05, 2010, 12:50:24 PM
I went to one last year-awsome time!!

1 guy had a G22 and didn't have any problems (make sure you have the piece that connects the sling to the rifle!! - it connects to the accessory rail in the front)

also, go to the appleseed homepage - follow the links and buy a sling (around $12.00)  this is the best investment you can make!!!

Bring good ammo that you know works in your rifle (i didn't- i brought cheap walmart 500 pack federal blue box - crap in my 10/22)

everybody there was nice and helpful!!  I borrowed a sling, a ground mat, and mags for my 10/22 (they were glued together, bottom to bottom)

I did not make rifleman..........but when I got home, i ordered a set of tech-sites, and tore apart the action of my 10/22 (go to www.rimfirecentral.com (http://www.rimfirecentral.com) to learn everything!!)  did a complete trigger job and replaced my ejector

I took it out, and not one single jam or misfire (cci ammo)

you will have fun!
you will learn alot!!

-beagle
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on February 05, 2010, 03:33:11 PM
getting together sounds good to me, If it is located in the mid part of the state, I had all but given up on any thing here, after the lack of response we got last try. But we keep hopeing
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on February 17, 2010, 10:38:27 AM
I found an Appleseed happening sooner:

http://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index.php?topic=11225.0 (http://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index.php?topic=11225.0)

I already pulled the trigger on it, registered, and will be there. I opted against the Walther G22 for now (it would have bit into my savings for an AR15), and will be using my dad's old Mossberg 152 series.

How bad will having only 1 clip for the gun be? The site says to have multiples, but at $30/ea for a 60 year old gun, I'm not too keen....

D

Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: beagle on February 18, 2010, 09:01:51 AM
you need multiple mags for the different drills you practice (3 rounds - change mag ---7 rounds -change mag) ect.

BUT...............they will work with you, SO DON'T GO SPEND $30.00 A POP ON MAGS. SAVE FOR YOUR AR15

or........

go to dicks, / gander mountain / dunhams / local gunshop and buy a ruger 10/22!! :)  the instructors will have extra mags for those!!

also, i know i said it before in an earlier post, but get the sling!!!!!  no matter what gun you end up using, get the sling!!!

did i mention, get the sling?  IT IS THE BASE FOR EVERYTHING YOU WILL LEARN!!

-beagle
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on February 18, 2010, 09:03:36 AM
LOL i am getting the sling, and the old Mossberg folk had the good sense to put sling mounts on the venerable 152.

I just don't want to spend $$$ on mags for an ancient gun, especially since I will likely get the 22LR upper for the AR in the long run.

D
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: SigMan34 on February 19, 2010, 07:29:36 AM
I found an Appleseed happening sooner:

I'm really being a pooper outer here, but I'll be in Florida at that time (this old guy has to get outta the cold for a little while!  ;D  I sure hope it warms up down there by then!  :o).

Just one question: Whenever I DO make it to one of those shoots........will I need a sling???   ???  ;D  :D
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on February 19, 2010, 07:42:33 AM
Just one question: Whenever I DO make it to one of those shoots........will I need a sling???   ???  ;D  :D

No sling required. I heard that once you get there, you can just cut the elastic waistband off your underwear and that will work just fine for a sling.    ;D
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Stormchaser on March 09, 2010, 06:30:20 PM
I'm from the Toledo area (almost was Michigan - The Toledo-Michigan war, remember?). Been listening to Jack now for about 2 weeks and joined the Brigade this last weekend.

Been attending prepper meetings for the last month in the Cleveland area on alternating Saturdays

Ham radio operator

Attending Dirttime 10 in Wyoming (and Wyoming Free State conference afterwards) in June

My brother and I are considering sponsoring a tri-state 'prepper' camping weekend Labor Day weekend at a nearby somewhat isolated campground . I've seen not too much happening in Michigan and even in NWO so wondering how many might be interested in this?
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on March 09, 2010, 06:40:53 PM
I'm from the Toledo area (almost was Michigan - The Toledo-Michigan war, remember?).

We remember the war. Michigan won, and thus Ohio was forced to keep Toledo.   ;D

Welcome to the forum, and welcome to the MI section. 

I might be interested in the camping thing, too.  =)

Don
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Stormchaser on March 09, 2010, 08:22:44 PM


My brother and I are considering sponsoring a tri-state 'prepper' camping weekend Labor Day weekend at a nearby somewhat isolated campground . I've seen not too much happening in Michigan and even in NWO so wondering how many might be interested in this?

CORRECTION: I meant MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND  (although Labor Day might be also ok). Sorry for the typo.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: BrianTN on March 29, 2010, 05:38:20 PM
In April I'll be moving to Michigan to work at Providence hospital in Southfield.  Hopefully I can further my preps and meet some members of the forum.  Maybe every now and then I will have time to shoot long range and IDPA. 
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on March 29, 2010, 08:02:56 PM
In April I'll be moving to Michigan to work at Providence hospital in Southfield.  Hopefully I can further my preps and meet some members of the forum.  Maybe every now and then I will have time to shoot long range and IDPA. 

Welcome!  I used to live in that town. Avoid living there if you can. They have an incredibly high property tax rate. You really know where your money goes, though, with lousy schools, bloated city government, and inefficient emergency response.    ::)
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on March 29, 2010, 09:30:03 PM
BrianTN

Michigan is not very active,  God knows we have tried , I guess we have not come close enough to disaster for people to get started yet.  But there is a small group of people in the S/E that are fairly active. Very small but we work at it. let me know when you get up here and would be glad to have coffee
Scoutmaster
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: SigMan34 on March 30, 2010, 05:24:17 AM
Welcome to Michigan, Brian, from the "west coast"...Grand Rapids.

Its always good to have another like-minded individual among us.  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: evilphish on March 30, 2010, 05:54:03 AM
hi brian, fellow wolvie from the south west corner
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on March 30, 2010, 06:07:11 AM
BrianTN

I see the pic on your post, Are you a diver? I use to do a lot of diving in Alpena. Lots of nice wrecks there.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: BrianTN on March 30, 2010, 07:06:55 PM
Thanks for the welcome!

BrianTN

I see the pic on your post, Are you a diver? I use to do a lot of diving in Alpena. Lots of nice wrecks there.

I am, but im pretty new at it.  Getting more training is something I am definitely want to do.  How long have you been diving? 
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on March 30, 2010, 08:33:09 PM
Well over 40 years, But most of it was in the cold waters of the great lakes, and for some reason only the last few years did I get into a dry suit, That is really the only way to go. The wet suit was ok at first but Boy was that dry suit nice. Hundreds and Hundreds of wrecks in the aria around of Alpena.

Most of them are in the same shape, pristine as when they went down. Because of the cold water. Mostly regular air but did a little nitrox diving.

There is a full 400 foot+ freighter setting upright out in the shipping channels east of Alpena in 120 feet of water that is a beautiful dive.
there is also several shallow dives 30 or deeper, that has some nice wooden freighters some damaged by the winter Ice but still nice.
Again let me know when you get in town,  it might be a good ice breaker
SM
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: vasilly on April 03, 2010, 07:01:21 PM
Howdy all, I'm new to the forum.  I'm from Royal Oak and was wondering if anyone had any recommendations on good training that could be got on a shoestring budget in southeast Michigan. 

I was also wondering if anyone knows anything about the Michigan Volunteer Defense force, I read that they have a CERT team.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on April 03, 2010, 07:16:22 PM
Hello Vasilly!

Welcome to the forum!  What kind of training are you looking at getting?

I dont know anything about the MI volunteer defense force. Didn't even know there was such a thing.  I might want to look into that, too.

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Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: vasilly on April 03, 2010, 07:43:40 PM
As far as training I was hoping to find some basic first aid, I was considering going through the Red Cross' FA/CPR class; however I would like to find something that I could use in wilderness camping or if first responders are not immediately available.   I started taking some of the on line independent study FEMA classes for the basic National Instant Management System (NIMS) certification.  The Midwest Permaculture classes, even their one day ones are out of my budget.  I'm not really sure what other types of training are available or are even recommended.   If anyone has any recommendations for training I would greatly appreciate it.    Thanks.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on April 04, 2010, 06:19:19 AM
welcome Vasilly

Oakland county regularly puts on some basic medical training, It might be listed on there web site there also may be others. I have been told various townships in the northern parts of the county also do some training. I will let you know if I hear of any.

Again welcome
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Kaizen on April 15, 2010, 11:14:35 PM
Greeting everyone - I'm near Holly.

I'd certainly be interested in med training or a meet sometime in South-East michigan... I lived in Flint the last few years (but moved since I finished school and got a job in Auburn Hills), and rest assured... there aint many preppers up in ole Flinttown!

Half of my motivation for starting my preps were the experiences I was able to survive in Flint, Pontiac, and Detroit... all of which were extremely exciting, none of which were fun... all of which caused me to buy more guns.  :-\
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on April 16, 2010, 11:52:07 AM
Greetings Kaizen

I agree with your thoughts 200% I also live in the south east, and have the same thoughts with every thing south of bay city, For that reason I have set up a BOL and would be leaving my unsafe location here in the S/E. to go north. I went through the east coast black out, and it opened my eyes. I had a genny running now and then. I had dozens of persons Never seen them before pounding on my door, wanting water, wanting me to charge there batteries. and so on.

Watched hundreds of persons milling around the streets, I don't think even with a well stocked firearms  stash a person would be able to hold out on your own, with sidewalks and streets just feet from the front door.

As you can see by the lack of postings here Michigan is pretty much asleep when it comes to coordinated preping or a group. If you are interested, let me know, would love to meet over coffee and swap Ideas.

Again Welcome
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: BrianTN on April 17, 2010, 09:50:08 PM
Greeting everyone - I'm near Holly.

I'd certainly be interested in med training or a meet sometime in South-East michigan...

Here in a few days I'll be moving to MI for school and would also be interested in some sort of training or meet. 

Kind of off topic, but does anyone know the gun laws in MI?  I have a few firearms and my reloading setup that I am thinking of bringing up, but wanted to know if anything was frowned upon.  I have my concealed carry permit and MI has reciprocity with TN, so that will work for my pistol for a while.

scoutmaster, is that an antenna in your avatar?  I recently obtained my tech amateur radio license and am looking at getting a hand held or mobile radio in the near future. 
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on April 18, 2010, 06:20:29 PM
Hi brian

Ya thats my antenna, at the top of my tower, stacked 16s on 2M it works well. What part of town are you going to be in?/ Maybe we can talk ??
The CPL will work for a while but AS i am sure you know if you have moved here you will need to apply for one here. No machine guns( with out papers)  or short barreled anything but any thing should be fine, they want you to re register any hand guns you have also if you move. But that should not be a problem either.
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Let me know when you get here we can meet up
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: BrianTN on April 18, 2010, 06:36:44 PM
Hi brian

Ya thats my antenna, at the top of my tower, stacked 16s on 2M it works well. What part of town are you going to be in?/ Maybe we can talk ??
The CPL will work for a while but AS i am sure you know if you have moved here you will need to apply for one here. No machine guns( with out papers)  or short barreled anything but any thing should be fine, they want you to re register any hand guns you have also if you move. But that should not be a problem either.
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Let me know when you get here we can meet up
I'll be in Southfield, and will send you a PM when I start to get settled in so we can grab coffee or something. 

The thing about the CPL, I'm pretty sure I'll technically stay a resident of TN, with my truck registration and license remaining as TN.  This is basically what I did when I lived in Charleston, SC for a few years.  Although I could be mistaken as to however MI defines a resident.  I'll probably only live in MI for 2 years or so, then try to move back to Charleston. 
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on April 18, 2010, 06:48:52 PM
I would guess if you are just going to school and every thing else says another state I would guess you are right, But just to be safe it might not hurt to ask, Sotuthfield Is still Oakland county, so it should not be as bad as wayne county might be. So far they have seem to be OK

Sounds good
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Kaizen on April 18, 2010, 09:13:31 PM
Greetings Kaizen

I agree with your thoughts 200% I also live in the south east, and have the same thoughts with every thing south of bay city, For that reason I have set up a BOL and would be leaving my unsafe location here in the S/E. to go north. I went through the east coast black out, and it opened my eyes. I had a genny running now and then. I had dozens of persons Never seen them before pounding on my door, wanting water, wanting me to charge there batteries. and so on.

Watched hundreds of persons milling around the streets, I don't think even with a well stocked firearms  stash a person would be able to hold out on your own, with sidewalks and streets just feet from the front door.

As you can see by the lack of postings here Michigan is pretty much asleep when it comes to coordinated preping or a group. If you are interested, let me know, would love to meet over coffee and swap Ideas.

Again Welcome

Thanks, scoutmaster.  I imagine the people showing up at your door were quite questionable during the blackout... I can't even imagine how it would be in Flint in a even semi-SHTF scenario - I don't want to find out either!  LoL.  I'm out of the city now (although the Holly area isn't ideal, since I'm sandwiched between Flint and Detroit), but after roughly five years in and out of Flint, I'm just glad to be in the country (although not really "country" compared to anything north of M-57).

I'm definitely interested in a meetup - Brian in southfield isn't too far away either at ~40 minutes.  It's great there's at least three of us now.

Let me know what works for you guys.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on April 19, 2010, 07:50:10 AM
Sounds good, I don't think brian is quite here yet but I guess he will soon be, He is moving up from TN, There are a few more  than just he two of us, it is just hard to get some energized, we have been fooling around with a few of us for several years now, but don't hear form most of them for weeks or sometimes months at a time. So I guess you cant really call that a working group of persons.   

And I know what yo mean about flint and so on. But I think if we have an event you would be surprised what you will find even in Holly,fenton, milford and most of the small places in that aria. it is just to accessible and too close to the rest of the city like Pontiac, detroit, flint, saginaw, and so on. The suburbs are and would be easy pickens when you have 1/4 tank of fuel in the tank and yo are looking for something that has not already been burned out. ( just my feelings)

Any time is good for me, I retired a short while back do to some problems with my knees so I am around most of the time. any time and place in oakland county is good preferably the northern parts.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Kaizen on April 19, 2010, 06:12:05 PM
Sounds good, I don't think brian is quite here yet but I guess he will soon be, He is moving up from TN, There are a few more  than just he two of us, it is just hard to get some energized, we have been fooling around with a few of us for several years now, but don't hear form most of them for weeks or sometimes months at a time. So I guess you cant really call that a working group of persons.   

And I know what yo mean about flint and so on. But I think if we have an event you would be surprised what you will find even in Holly,fenton, milford and most of the small places in that aria. it is just to accessible and too close to the rest of the city like Pontiac, detroit, flint, saginaw, and so on. The suburbs are and would be easy pickens when you have 1/4 tank of fuel in the tank and yo are looking for something that has not already been burned out. ( just my feelings)

Any time is good for me, I retired a short while back do to some problems with my knees so I am around most of the time. any time and place in oakland county is good preferably the northern parts.

Very true... probably all those places would be in the "lines of drift."  I would love to be able to live a few hours away from big cities (way up North would be great), but of course that would require telecommuting LoL... hard for my current occupation.

PM sent about the meetup.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on April 20, 2010, 06:56:23 AM
Sounds good, Returned the PM
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: SigMan34 on April 21, 2010, 12:12:08 PM
Sounds good, Returned the PM

"Evesdropping" from over here in SW Mich, its encouraging to see a couple of we Michiganders trying to meet up. Way to go, guys.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: evilphish on April 21, 2010, 07:02:50 PM
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"Evesdropping" from over here in SW Mich,

amen sir. 

I'm hoping late summer, early fall (daughter is due late june)  maybe I can sneak away with some of my fellow wolverines, maybe we can time it for rabbit season? perhaps organize a group hunt? 
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on April 22, 2010, 08:39:07 AM
Kaizen

good to meet up with you, Never realized we talked so long, Sounds like you have a great plan. Keep in touch.
good to hear from the guys on the west side, to bad we cant build the few interested persons here into something.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Kaizen on April 22, 2010, 09:13:30 AM
Kaizen

good to meet up with you, Never realized we talked so long, Sounds like you have a great plan. Keep in touch.
good to hear from the guys on the west side, to bad we cant build the few interested persons here into something.

Thank you scoutmaster!  It was great to get so much solid advice from an experienced prepper.

Hopefully we can have more meetups and toss around ideas with other interested individuals in the future.

Evilphish, a group hunt would be cool... I'll just need to load some varmint roads for my AR-15, since I am lacking a true varmint rifle  : )
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: BM21 on April 24, 2010, 08:58:47 PM
Hello fellow Michiganders.

I'm in SE MI. I've noticed a number of postings (just found the forum today) regarding get-togethers and groups. Looking forward to meeting you all as time goes by.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Kaizen on April 24, 2010, 11:44:20 PM
Hey BM21

Welcome to the forum....Glad to see another Michigander.  Hopefully we can have another meetup down the road and toss around some ideas.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on April 25, 2010, 06:28:46 AM
Welcome BM 21

glad to see another Michigan person,

We have A tried  get togather a few times and Kaizen and myself pulled one off the other day, sounds like a good plan to me. Again welcome, Please join in with Ideas or thoughts.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on April 25, 2010, 06:42:58 AM
If this happens are we ready?? Something to think about



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Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Makwaa on April 25, 2010, 02:44:13 PM
Greetings from W. MI (Ottawa county) I am new here, and somewhat new to survivalism.  Although I have been somewhat familiar with it, I am now participating, or at least attempting to, in earnest, so I have much to learn, which I look forward to.  If anyone has any tips or pointers for a novice I would be glad to hear them.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on April 25, 2010, 02:58:16 PM
Greetings from W. MI (Ottawa county) I am new here, and somewhat new to survivalism.  Although I have been somewhat familiar with it, I am now participating, or at least attempting to, in earnest, so I have much to learn, which I look forward to.  If anyone has any tips or pointers for a novice I would be glad to hear them.

Tip/pointer: Don't be overwhelmed. Preparedness, survival-ism, and more importantly, sustainability, are all topics with multiple disciplines to be learned. Each of these have multiple tools of the trade. In addition you'll want to undoubtedly stock up on food and supplies...

Pick a topic, research it well, become reasonably prepared in it. Then repeat.  =)

 ;D
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on April 25, 2010, 08:02:38 PM
Welcome, Makwaa
 As donaldj said don't  look at it all at one time, just put away what you can. and keep working on it. There is a lot of places to start just pick the one that will help the most. For me the first thing was to decide if my home was the best place to be during SHTF or if I was too close to the citys and people.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: BM21 on April 25, 2010, 08:27:42 PM
Thanks for the greetings All.

Scoutmaster, what did you decide was the best approach? I've recently gone through the same mental exercise. I don't like the answer I came up with since I'm not as far along as I'd like to be.

Makwaa, do you know how to eat an elephant? One bite at a time. Take it easy and be methodical - and pray that it doesn't hit the fan to early. Oh, don't forget water. All the beans and rice in the world won't amount to a hill of, uh well, beans if you don't have H20.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: SigMan34 on April 26, 2010, 06:20:36 AM
Makwaa and BM21, welcome to the Michigan area! Nice to see some activity here.

Makwaa, I'm south of Grand Rapids, still in Kent County. I've had a couple meet ups with another guy in the area, so we'll be sure to invite you the next time we get together. The "Spring Busies" have both of us tied up for a while right now, unfortunately.

Also Makwaa, those are excellent bits of advice on how you should get moving:  just one step at a time will put you miles ahead of at least 95% of the U.S. population in no time. I've only been seriously at this for 6 months or so, but the results are mighty satisfying already!  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on April 26, 2010, 06:42:43 AM
BM 21

Well I am not for sure what you mean, so If I am off track let me know, I have been at this now about 15 years. For a long time I just preped like most others. then about 10 years ago we had the east coast black out. it gave me a whole new out look on preping.

After that I took a hard look at the whole picture, how long I thought it might last and what kind of preps I would need to survive an event.
after that I re-did my whole preping strategy.
 I basic tried to come up with a list of things of there importance.

Being in michigan, so that I keep the weather and temps in mind.

No mater how I looked at it, or how I tried to spin it.  this is what I came up with

1.  A location that was Safe, for myself and my family
2.  A location that I could have a good shelter that I could stay Warm and dry.
3.  A location that I could get unlimited water.
4.  A location I could  have or get an unlimited source of fuel to keep shelter warm.
5.  A location that I could patrol and go outside in safety with out dozens of eyes on me all the time, watching every move
6.  A location that I could grow food
7.  A location I could hunt for food, Meat for all the other stuff I have preped.
8.  A location that the family can go outside with out being subject to sniper fire or watching eyes.

The above things I found I could not do at my life time (adult life) home location.

9   start with basic perps that can be made into foods that can feed several persons, for several days
10. Store plenty of fuel

Those where the top 10 things, interesting the top 8 I could not do at the location I was and am living, so I found a location I could do the top 8 things first then continued with the rest. The way I look at it If I could not protect where I was and the family was not safe I was just kidding myself and some one other than myself would end up with my preps.

Don't get this wrong, I am not moving Just setting up a location, Nothing like where I live now as it all needs to be different. Like No grid power, and then work up from there. It can be done fairly easily, but you need to think out side of the box to do it. But I did not like the outlook as it was. he basic set ups are the same just a different place. and in the long run as it is much safer and much easer to live in that my home that was not set up to work with out Grid power.


Is this what you had in mind??
 
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on April 26, 2010, 10:00:57 AM
My home is set up to be lived in with grid power, It is set up to be heated with Nat, Gas. Not wood, I tried heating it, with wood but was a lot of work just bringing it in. I spent way more in fuel to trailer it in, way more work than I gained from it. I have no where to store the wood, it takes over 10 face cords to keep it warm for a winter. it is  not set up well to move the heat around the house with out Grid power.

It also sets in a suburban location, 100 feet from the road where when the east coast black out happened I had hundreds of persons unknown to me, not just neighbors walking the streets all night long. When I ran my Genny( I had one then) I had at least 75 different persons knocking on my door wanting water, batteries charged and so on.

I felt if they had wanted to at any time I could have been over run/ Or burned to the ground  if a dozen or so persons decided they wanted what I had. They could have run a truck through my front door, it was only 100 feet from a legal road. When my wife cooked dinner, On the grill you could smell it cooking for a half mile. I got all kinds of comments on what's for dinner, What's cooking, Can I come over and cook the meat in my Fridg that is melting??  Lots and lots of stuff like that that made me very uncomfortable.

And I am not even in the city Just close. So after that I took a hard look at the very basics, before I really got a good hold and look at preping in genneral.  

My feeling is preping is not just storing things we might need. It includes everything a person would need to survive any devastating event man made or other wise. Sadly after my experience, A few years ago I think the man mad part will be the hardest part to survive, and unless you prep for that you are only preparing for half of the problem.  ;D ;D ;D Just my Impressions
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on April 26, 2010, 10:16:27 AM
I guess the best way to look at it is, If this happens If it is only partley correct would you be OK would and your family survive??
At the end of six months or maby a year, What shape would be in???


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Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: BM21 on April 26, 2010, 10:55:48 AM
Oh thanks, now I have a new concern!  :o 

BTW, thanks for the messages Scoutmaster. My original question was in reply to your earlier comment - "For me the first thing was to decide if my home was the best place to be during SHTF or if I was too close to the citys and people."

I was curious if you had come to a conclusion and acted upon it. I see you have! You make very valid points. I'm wrestling with the "how can I move to a more secure (rustic) location and still work (one of the fortunate ones left working in MI), raise the capital to buy the new property (can't sell a house in MI)" type questions.

My bride is actually on board with trying to find a piece of property elsewhere. I'm not sure how I can pull it off, but I'm working on it.

Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on April 26, 2010, 11:17:03 AM
Well As I said, it took me by surprise, I always thought I could protect my self and my family in my home location. I decided I was wrong.

But If you are one of the lucky ones I would not give up your job, Ever. I don't know where you are in michigan but it is not that much of a drive to get to where you would not need to worry about most of the things that would make it not safe. Drop me A IM and let me know if you are on the S/E side of the state if so Would be glad to meet up with you and give you my take I the whole BOL thing.

There is becoming more and more reasonable priced land in the northern parts of out state. Some even land contracts. And remember if we go into another depression the dollar wont be worth much.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Makwaa on April 26, 2010, 11:51:00 AM
Thanks for the info and encouragement guys.  At first I thought I would be going at this alone, it is good to find a group of others who are like minded.  Actually water is one of the first things I am taking on.  Any suggestions? As a start I have begun buying cases of bottled water, I know this will not be enough, but only a start.  What are the rest of you doing?
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on April 26, 2010, 12:22:36 PM
It is one of the best places to start, I looked at what I would need with all of the freeze dried and dehydrated foods I have and would be using, some takes a quart or two just get it ready to eat. along with just the normal intake(drinking) one needs as well as keeping each of us clean as well as the cloths, kitchen and almost everything we do deals with water.

I came to the conclusion that I could not store enough, Keeping we live in michigan can't put it outside, it would freeze or be stolen. If the event goes any length of time it could be thousands of gallons. Even if we limit it to five gallons a day for food, drinking, cleaning, including bathing and clothes cleaning. A family of four would use 140 gallons a week. 560 gal per month.   If that was the case that would be around 3360 gal for six months. I did not see how I could keep that kind of just water stored, that does not even leave room for other preps. That is one reason I felt I needed an unlimited supply of water. Just trying to be as straight forward as possible. We will only get one shot at this. And I really have taken a hard look at this.

 If we miss something as simple as water we loose, maybe the whole family. another reason for my reasoning on the BOL
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: SigMan34 on April 26, 2010, 12:26:37 PM
Actually water is one of the first things I am taking on.  Any suggestions? As a start I have begun buying cases of bottled water, I know this will not be enough, but only a start.  What are the rest of you doing?

Two or three months ago, I saw a post about Kmart having 7-gallon water containers on closeout for 6 bucks each. I picked up 3 of them --- all they had at two locations I checked. I just did a search on Kmart.com and nothing came up so I suppose they're gone now, unfortunately.

We also have at least one case (24) of 16-oz bottles on hand always. My To-Do list includes a barrel system to collect rainwater off the roof via downspouts. Then, a water filter to make it drinkable. I want to be able to use it to water the garden as well.
Title: Re: Michigan safe locations
Post by: scoutmaster on April 26, 2010, 06:07:11 PM
Just in the interest of continuing conservations As I said I have looked at every thing I can think of to cut corners , Much of it out side the box, Just to get something done A place to go, and something that is usable.

Things I look at. Savings on property.

Non prime property, small sizes, oddly shaped, and located a long way from city’s, people and infrastructure. Swamp land with small high spots on it, Hard to get to,  No grid power,( Big one)

 Now usually that would cause the property to be less appealing, cheaper and not very attractive to most people. Not prepers.  Some have several Acers, but only a very small part might be hi and dry.( build able) As hunting property or something that is an investment it would not fly. So the cost goes down. It stays for sale for years, Lowball bids sometimes will take it.

I have seen 1 to 5 acres as low as 5 or 6 thousand for 1 to 5 acres, usually 4 out of the 5 acres is not useable at all, but you can put a nice cabin on the little piece that is left.

Building on a budget.

After finding a place that is suitable to what a preper is looking for (land), we need some kind of structure that is sound, will keep you and yours dry and warm.  I like the 24 x 24 foot size. If you build it with the hip roof (Barn stile) roof, You can use basic garage stile building, 12 foot walls with a hip roof, making the whole upstairs a loft and four bedrooms, with living space on the lower level. Bedrooms upstairs Giving you just over 1000 Sq feet of living space.

 It stops you from using the whole upstairs wall to wall as the roof upstairs, near the walls are only four feet high, and it doubles as a wall and ceiling for the bedroom but makes four very nice bedrooms. And is near 8 foot tall in the center parts making it usable as a bedroom.

You can build your own trusses so you save a ton of money on the roof, All of the windows, doors cabinets, counters, sinks, and so on  come from Garage sales, habitat for humanity sales centers, Home remodels, (Like when some one gets new windows and doors, They usually will give you the windows and doors that are being replaced.

With no inside pluming, and no electrical you also save a ton of money. With no grid power to hook up to what you have is a hunting cabin, with a wood stove for heat, Wood on  the property for heat. Propane for cooking, and a path to the bath.

This is using wood to build the cabin that is on sale, and not having ordered and delivered, as you never save any money that way.  If you build it on a two foot crawl space with just a rat wall and crawl,  you can always add the pluming at a later date if you want to add inside pluming.

Now I never said it was pretty, and I never said it all matched, But it is sound strong and warm. I have used all most all of these Ideas, ( I said out of the box) and it works.

Warm safe fairly cheap, and the biggest thing, it is it out of the city, and no where near the suburban locations. Of course all your preps are not stored in the cabin, as that would make them venerable. 


The last thing is you go to it regularly, it comes natural when you are doing all the work, weekends vacations and any other time you are not at work, learning to live with out Grid power and so on. also getting the very few neighbors use to you and your car.  The people in the nearest town at the hardware They might not know your last name but they know your first name, You become known around, When the time comes it will be very heplful.

Just thoughts, it may only work for me, and it did. Just some Ideas I hope will help others. For those that have thin budgets and think they can't do it. You can all-ways make it nicer and add pluming and electrical later. But I can tell you that  lanterns work well, some of the newer ones work almost as well as modern lights. Just thoughts, You can cook on a wood stove all most as good as gas, and on and on.

Hope it helps
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on April 27, 2010, 09:07:17 AM
A very important source I for got to add was craigslist, every thing from cement blocks to doors and windows, I have seen brand name windows and doors still in the plastic for $25.00 pennies on the dollar. All sorts of building materials.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: BM21 on April 28, 2010, 11:02:50 AM
Very good write-up Scoutmaster. Thanks for taking the time to do that
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on April 28, 2010, 11:25:15 AM
Sending you a little info

Just like helping others and hoping to help enlighten some
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: vasilly on May 01, 2010, 01:47:16 AM
Thank you Scoutmaster for your insight on utilizing our state's swamp land.  I have been to a hunting cabin in the NE part of the lower a few years ago and the owner made his own land in the swamp by filling shallow places with gravel and using a backhoe to add to the "road" he made to get into his property.  That was probably ten years before I saw the place and nothing seemed to be sinking, what environmental rules he mayor may not have broken I didn't ask.

Also thanks for turning me on to Oakland County's training opportunities, wasn't quite what I had hoped for but they offer some training for first responders for free.

I guess I kinda missed the window on the whole SE MI egress discussion, here is my two cents anyway.

It seems that everyone who lives in SE MI has the same set or problems to overcome, we deal with constant threat of high population density and limited resources coupled with restricted egress routes from our homes to any potential BOL in the north with the bottlenecks around Saginaw/Bay City.  Of course there is always the option of utilizing the county roads between 75 and 127, but one first navigate the ill conceived metro roadways.  One of the benefits to living in the Detroit metro area is that if we ever had a mass evacuation, we lack the proper roadways to support the number of vehicles that would be simultaneously attempting to utilize them.  In other words, we couldn't evacuate nearly as well as New Orleans did prior to Katrina; granted they had notice for days, but since when is a economically strapped people willing to incur "temporary" relocation expenses on the chance something may go wrong.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on May 01, 2010, 07:47:03 AM
vasilly
First let me say hello, and welcome to the fourm, Not sure you missed anything, I seems to take waves some times it is active and other times it lays for weeks at a time.  I have noticed that many many other states have active persons on allmost a day by day basis.

Not so much here, I would guess that most here in Michigan really do not be leave that it is needed. so the day to day stuff seems to take first place.

I some of the rest of your comments I am not sure I can agree with you, While there is no question those that live in the Detroit metro will have a much harder time leaving the city than those living out a little further, There are still ways to do so. And the thing to remember is most of those will be going home at least at first, that is the time to be leaving, not waiting to see what happens be gone at the first sign of a problem. Having an all ready set up location just makes it much much easy er. Rather than trying to take every thing, you will only need the important things that are left, every thing else you need is allready there.




I have no plans on using the freeways as I seen during the east coast black out. they Where all plug ed. But the county and state roads where open, Also having a well planed evac rough makes it  a better one when tested traveled and used to let us know of any changes, also on my Planned evac rough that by passes all city's, It does take a little longer but in the end it is faster and much safer than using the freeways where you can get jam ed in and stoped. All of my evac roughs by pass all of the city's including Saginaw/Bay City,

As far as the land in the northern parts of the state there are thousands and thousands of ace rs of land some as you say is a bit rough but at the same time it is cheaper to buy, and usually there is some place to build on.  

Please pleas remember that our minds are out bigest object to get past, If we feel we can not get past something usually we have lost be for we start, and then we set with the rest of the sheeple and Waite to be over run and told what to do. Putting our families at major risk.

as far as training programs,( with in the county)  keep checking every month they seem to come out with new or different ones. More and more as things get worse, Good luck don't give up there is all ways a way.    
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Makwaa on May 01, 2010, 12:23:56 PM
This is all very good information, and I am learning a lot by just reading through the various forums.  In terms of a bug out situation though something I have been thinking about is that there may be different types of bug out scenarios.  Indeed it may be that everyone is trying to evacuate a city all at once clogging the main roads making passage almost impossible or very difficult and slow at best.  But is not another situation plausible where the roads will be shut down, not allowing any passage thus trying to keep people where they are.  This has always been my perception of a bug out situation, am I wrong? I may well be as I am ot nearly as educated on any of this as many of you, at least not yet.  I am learning though.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on May 01, 2010, 12:30:24 PM
Buggin' out is buggin' out. If you choose to do it, everything you've just described are simply hurdles to doing so.   ;D

If you decide to bug out, clogged roads or government mandated road blocks and no-travel orders will dictate how you do it. I'm working on having a 3-tiered bug out system in place, consisting of county roads, local traffic, and hopefully dirt roads/trails. All this would be better served if I had a bug out location, but I don't yet. Still, I think it a wise idea to know a way to get 200 miles north and west of SE MI.

I think Bugging Out in Michigan hits home because we already have a "Going Up North" culture when we talk about a weekend vacation. Thus, the notion of bugging out comes fairly readily to us.

D
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on May 01, 2010, 04:29:49 PM
This is all very good information, and I am learning a lot by just reading through the various forums.  In terms of a bug out situation though something I have been thinking about is that there may be different types of bug out scenarios.  Indeed it may be that everyone is trying to evacuate a city all at once clogging the main roads making passage almost impossible or very difficult and slow at best.  But is not another situation plausible where the roads will be shut down, not allowing any passage thus trying to keep people where they are.  This has always been my perception of a bug out situation, am I wrong? I may well be as I am ot nearly as educated on any of this as many of you, at least not yet.  I am learning though.

Well you are correct But it is in a two fold effort,  And on two different level. I picked up most of this info as I was in the LEO field for 35 years and was on some of the repsonce teams and had and still have some of the old call out and set ups for the department.

 What I am talking about as in two fold, is First Like in the East coast black out every one Is In a panic just to get home. So most of the roadway jams have to do with every one wanting to go home at the same time. Here in Michigan most of that is on the east and west Major roads.

That usually last from three to four hours after an event,  By that time most are home.The way that most places are set up no matter what it is for they can not arrange a major road block or check points in less than, three to six hours. And that is just the major cross roads and main roads. The secondary and county level roads if they ever get coverage will be from 12 to 24 hours after an event. Now I am not talking Detroit or some of the city's down that way. They might be quicker as they have much less aria to cover and more officers per square mile. 

But I can tell you that other than the city's in the south east parts of the state, None and I mean none of the other department's have the manpower to cover any of the secondary or county roads.   Most of the man power has been cut so bad in the last few years that they are doing well just to hold there own with the normal traffic handling they have to do. So that meant that they will need to mobilize every person they have, Meaning all three shifts. That will take several hours to get them in and give them instructions.

So it is my plan with an allready set up BOL to  be on the road and going to my place with in that three hours of any event. That way I blend in with the people trying to get home and am not fighting any roadblocks or check points.  Not waiting  to see what is up at worst I will just wast a trip.   I also am using all secondary roads so I will have several hours or open roads be for any one is set up. I did this during the east coast black out and I made the trip one the fastest times I have ever done, Every one was at home not traveling to Northern Michigan

Looking at the wind currents here in Michigan there is a shift at baycity and Saginaw everything south of there( wind)  comes from down south and everything north of there comes from north of there, Not likely that we get any thing drifting in coming from the north.

As far as people I cant think of a single reason that it would be better to stay where there was thousands of people rather than go where you might not see a person for two or three days. All in all with the three or four hours that will be the mad Rush times I can be mostly up to my place.         
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on May 02, 2010, 02:24:16 PM
The thing that I always forget is We all must make decisions On what we have seen, learned, touched and tasted. Other than that we do not believe much of what we read and hear, Most of the time with good reason. We all have different world experiences and must follow them. I just try and plan for the worst case. If it is not that bad I am ahead of the game.
Good luck to all.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: vasilly on May 03, 2010, 07:11:42 AM
The thing that I always forget is We all must make decisions On what we have seen, learned, touched and tasted. Other than that we do not believe much of what we read and hear, Most of the time with good reason. We all have different world experiences and must follow them. I just try and plan for the worst case. If it is not that bad I am ahead of the game.
Good luck to all.


Pearls of wisdom.  As it happens I just got back from another scouting trip up to a potential alternate location, hope you don't mind a little story:

At my Grandfather's hunt camp last fall I asked some of the guys what they would do if the schumer hit the oscillator; it was only then that I realized that my plan was bunk because the ones that acknowledged that disasters were a remote possibility almost all said that they would go up to the camp.  When I asked them what they they would do for food they indicated in various ways that they would hunt and rely on the provisions of the camp (which are for four people perhaps a month at best).  One even said that "we" could farm the land. 

I can see that all of their responses directly reflected their own experiences.  The ones who ignored the possibility of anything ever going wrong haven't had anything really go wrong because they have either been fortunate in that regard or suffer from selective memory.  Those that saw my Grandfather's cabin as a haven, have experienced a place where the rest of the world is a distant thought and life is simpler for a time before they return to the rat race.  It was the realization that many people who visit there most likely share the same opinion, and that they too (like donaldj said so many of us in MI) have a "Going Up North" culture that would lead them to similar conclusions as the guys at hunt camp I talked to.

My reaction to their responses may reflect my naivety, but it seems to me that it is worthwhile to have options available even if one never needs them.  Like my Grandpa told me when I was younger: "Plan for the worst and hope for the best."  I just wish he still lived by those words.

Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on May 03, 2010, 08:30:21 AM
Sounds like a lot of wisdom there, in many places and  ways, it would have been interesting to ask them, as unobtrusively as possible, At what point they might decide to go and if they have anything to take with them. While there is some stuff there I wonder how long it would last if some family members went with them.  

But don't get me wrong I think it is great, At least some are thinking here in the state. I am hoping that there is a small group of persons here in the state thinking that way. I am also wondering how soon the locals, will be setting up road blocks and check points to stop such things from happing.

I have seen times in the past  some of the smaller populated counties where something like a murder or bank robbery, happen and several of the locals shut off some of the main highways checking  people with ID and people they know going through ( out of an area) until local LEO show up and took over, it was not set up that that way it just happened, but with local LEOs there a few stayed on the side lines to make sure they had others on site just in case.

My concern has always been getting there before any such thing is set up. Just this last weekend I re checked a route  that I have set up that bypassed all cities between here and there, for just such occasion.  It almost doubled my drive time but many miles of it was on gravel and sand two track mostly used by logging trucks. Some of it not even on my GPS.  I ma sure there are many more out there with a plan than we even guess. I just like to be as well planed as I can.

 Your Grandfather was a wise man.
It seems like the older generations always where prepared.
can't say that about this generation.

Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Crimson Wolf on May 05, 2010, 11:26:59 AM
CW checking in.

Scoutmaster knew me. ;)

Currently living in Macomb County but have my retreat in the Thumb.That way I only have one freeway to cross, M-69.  ;D

Currently having to go back to college due to heart problems, had to give up my lawn/landscaping business.

 ;)
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on May 05, 2010, 12:15:07 PM
Sorry to hear about the heart problems, hope school is going ok
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: SigMan34 on May 06, 2010, 08:31:17 AM
Currently living in Macomb County but have my retreat in the Thumb.That way I only have one freeway to cross, M-69.  ;D

Hey, CW, welcome to the Michigander discussion. I sure hope the "ticker" problem isn't too bad for ya.

A hundred years ago, I grew up in Center Line and after marriage lived in Sterling Hts, so I'm very familiar with Macomb County. For the past 35 years I'm a west-sider...over near Grand Rapids.

Nice of you to jump in; don't be a stranger.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on May 06, 2010, 12:02:04 PM
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but have my retreat in the Thumb

thats for sure, we could use all the info we can get from those that have BOL,s  both pro and con about the thoughts of having one and not having one, and all the other things dealing with the subject

Maybe we can get a few more on board, if they decide that I am not crazy Or maby I am :o :o
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on May 06, 2010, 12:27:35 PM
Maybe what we need is some one that is A builder, or carpenter come up with a BOL in a box, Like an extensive list of materials, It would take to put up a 24x24 or whatever size building.  With a Barn roof for a loft kind of thing(bedrooms). Giving most living space  bang for the buck. and see how much it is. I remember a few years ago we could get garage kits like that. and they where only three or four thousand. Adding a Sub floor and a hip roof with Loft, can't add that much.  even if it was eight thousand, You doing all the labor. and just roughed in. Get the land for 8 to 10 thousand, add eight for the building and $18,000 invested to get a rough in BOL might be so bad. Maybe with in reach of many of us.????

Any thoughts on that???
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Crimson Wolf on May 07, 2010, 07:25:56 AM
Scoutmaster,

If I had to start over again I would do my new retreat based on what Buckshot said over at SurvivalBlog http://www.survivalblog.com/2006/05/the_basics_of_stocking_a_retre.html (http://www.survivalblog.com/2006/05/the_basics_of_stocking_a_retre.html)

Though I would start with a cabin at least 20X20, not the 12X12 he likes. That's just  way to small even just for one person. At my retreat I have a historic log cabin from 1880s that's 20X20 with a small loft. I couldn't see being smaller than that.

I also like his ideas on prepping in this article. I think that the biggest problem people have when deciding to get a retreat is that they think of a house instead of a cabin. Of course, too many think cabin and end up with something like a resort lodge!

There are two books on cabins from Lindsay that are pretty good.

I've seen people discuss the little sheds at places like Lowe's or Home Depot, but they always cost more then they're worth. Perhaps there is a garage package that might be close to what people might want.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on May 07, 2010, 08:44:05 AM
I agree completely, I looked at all of those and decided the same thing. I went with the 24x30 size with 12 foot side walls instead of 8 feet, that gave me 8 foot ceiling on the ground floor, then using the other 4 feet of the wall and a hip roof design I got an 8 foot ceiling on the second floor bedrooms (loft),  other than by the wall where it goes from four feet up to the 8 foot mark with the hip roof. It saves a huge amount of room and uses part of the roof as a wall upstairs, making the Attic very very small. You can put the foot of the bed in the 4 foot part and other things like that and you hardly notice it being only four feet by the wall. it is very steep pitch so out two or three feet it goes to eight feet.

That gives two bedrooms two up stairs, using one end of the place downstairs 12x12 ,  two downstairs bedrooms  12x12 or in my case I used one for a bath room/utility room. That leaves a nice 18 x 24 space for the living room and kitchen, I tucked the kitchen under the over hang of the staircase going to the upstairs bedrooms, up ageist the bathroom wall making very little pluming needed. Works for me and was not that bad to build. I think using a modified garage kit could fit the bill very nicely.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on May 07, 2010, 09:01:07 AM
 I checked out Buckshots post looks like he has a lot of knowledge and not just a recreational preper.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on May 08, 2010, 05:29:50 AM
 
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I would do my new retreat based on what Buckshot said over at SurvivalBlog

I went back and re-read his post, It is kind of scary I have done just about what he has listed, some I have gone a little over board, like the well when we put that in I made sure it was a flowing well so the water comes right out of the pipe all by it self. Propane instead of 100 gal I have two 500 gal pigs,

and so on. but I do find it interesting how much is the same.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: AuntCheri on May 08, 2010, 04:31:31 PM
I live in an area with quite a few hunting camps around.  You know if anything bad happens all the hunt camp people will "go up-north where it is safe".  They will bring their families and their guns and nothing else and we will be surrounded by 100 touchy scared people with no food or plan of action.  My place is pretty indefensible and I admit I have tried to think up ways to block the road.  I would like another place but that takes money.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on May 08, 2010, 04:46:48 PM
Well I think you might see a few, But I don't think it will be a lot. By the time they decide that they need to head north, and all of there food has run out, I don't think the roads will still be open.  or even if they are there will be road blocks by cops and citizens alike that will stop the migration north. Just a guess but I have been around the northern parts for years. Most of the hunt clubs and large parcels are owned by once or twice a year hunters and those I have talked to many of them over the years and they always tell me there is nothing here Why would I come here. But you never know.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Crimson Wolf on May 09, 2010, 10:02:22 AM
I can only see a mass exodus going up north only if a nuclear attack was made.

If the economy keeps getting worst, as I suspect it will in a couple of yrs, I think that we will see a mass exodus going south. And I mean the southern states. Cap & tax will make heating costs soar and the first ones to head south will be the poor and welfare bums.

Back to the retreat concept.

Two things spring to mind that are sometimes over looked.

1. Is a outdoor kitchen. My mother also said she would have liked to have had one due to the canning heating up the house. And because frying anything inside left a greasy film on everything.

2. A crock well. Even with artesian water, there are a lot of advantages to a crock well. You always have water where you can get it with just a bucket. You can see what your water level is at at any time. A shallow hand pump (cheap) can be used.

Another item that would be nice that I can think of are some of the solar shed lights that Norther Tools have. This one is one of the better ones I have seen:http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200422026_200422026 (http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200422026_200422026)
(http://www.northerntool.com/images/product/images/121159_lg.jpg)

A piece of mylar on the shade would increase the light. I have no idea why they made it so dark?

Add more when I get some more time.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on May 09, 2010, 05:37:57 PM
Yep good Ideas,

I have put in a complete solar system, I have some 12 volt lights that I can use, and I use it with my water pump, from the well it brings water into the house at 50 PSI, so it make the kitchen and bath and shower work just like a real house. I also have propane lights, and oil lights( that I use Mostly) tried to cover all the bases. Make as easy transition as possible.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Crimson Wolf on May 11, 2010, 08:27:14 AM
Here's a guy who's built a 14X14 cabin on the cheap (and I mean cheap! ;D)
http://www.youtube.com/user/solarcabin (http://www.youtube.com/user/solarcabin)

Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on May 11, 2010, 09:37:47 AM
Very very interesting, Shows what you can do when thinking out side the box, Very nice
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Stormchaser on May 11, 2010, 05:39:20 PM
I remember being up on the UP during the East Coast blackout, and the consequent worries of finding operating gas stations for the trip home with my family. I was naive about prepping. Looking back now, I could have easily bought several 5 gal gas containters and filled them up before leaving for home. Such a simple solution, yet I was conditioned to think differently.

I love Michigan (except politically), but it seems to me that the upper reaches of the LP are not great for agriculture. Am I wrong? I've never seen much growing done there (or on the UP). Seen more of animals grazing -that sort of thing.

Storm (in Toledo)
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on May 11, 2010, 08:27:38 PM
For the most part you are correct, altho there is some farming in the east end of the upper, and they do grow some crops, but the growing season is quite short. it would be a good place for a BOL if you where going to be staying there. But not so much to have one there is you are from the lower, No question the bridge would be a choke spot and most likely regulated in the event of anything, Even high winds.

It is also more than a tank of fuel, and carrying some is always a good Idea. But there is a lot of good places to be had.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Kaizen on May 21, 2010, 08:53:56 PM
Howdy guys,

Been a while since I posted.  As a recent grad, my job is definitely getting the best of me.  It's been damn near impossible to get online the last couple weeks.  Thanks for all the great info Scoutmaster and the discussion guys... it's always great to see fellow Michiganders working on their preps.

Timewise, I'm having difficulty advancing my preps... but I'm managing to maintain what I have at least.  The biggest plus is that with a solid income now I'll be able to really BUILD them once I get some time!

Along with my budget and prep / food inventories, I keep an itemized list of future preps and prices so I can plan for them financially... I'm slowly chunking through it, but the biggest at this point I've decided is going to be a truck.  I'm saving like mad to try to buy a used 1500 Chevy next year.  With that vehicle (vs my high mileage grand am) I will have the utility neccessary to build, stock, and REACH my BOL, which I plan to at least grab the land for mid 2011 and begin building immediately, finish constructing early 2012, finish stocking mid 2012.

The thrifty side of me would love to drive my GA until the wheels fall off, but with serious potentially SHTF scenarios unraveling in the next few years, I can't allow myself to be caught in a vehicle that cannot handle the rigors of what may lie ahead.

Scoutmaster, remember our convo about establishing a BOL before buying a house?  I tell you I’m very glad we had that… I needed the reinforcement with some of the deals down here… it’d totally be feasible to pay like mad on a 50 K house (some are pretty nice) and have the thing done with in 6 to 8 years.  The wheeler dealer in me would love to do that.  But the prepper in me puts on the breaks and realizes to put SAFETY FIRST!  That 8 years may be 4 years too late for when I actually needed a remote BOL, not a house in the middle of an overpopulated metropolitan area!  So I’m firm on holding off on the house until I establish a BOL and make it rock solid… which means I’ll probably be renting for the next 5 years … oh well   :-\  Sure I won’t have a house to show at the end of it, but I’ll have a BOL, and I would MUCH rather have that.  I can always rent.  I can’t always have a BOL!  It’s ironic because online you find these “rent vs buy” calculators that take the money you would save renting and show would it pay if you “invested” it @ a certain APR to calculate which you should do financially… however I won’t be investing that money saved from the mortgage payment in a mutual fund or anything else, except my CHECKING account….  so that I can use it specifically to construct my BOL once I’ve established enough of a financial margin to purchase the land and begin construction.

Well that’s enough ranting for now.  Anyways hope you guys have a great weekend, and I’ll hopefully get on here again in a few days.  If any of you guys are interested in a meet and greet, or a hike / prepper expedition, count me in!

BTW Scoutmaster, I am still planning on getting my HAM tech license… I’m thinking the August/September timeframe.  I have to finish my thesis first, which although I graduated, still looms large on my transcript   :-[
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on May 21, 2010, 10:16:56 PM
Sounds like you are busy, I sent you A PM, check it out
  Keep plugging away
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on May 22, 2010, 06:43:23 AM
Kaizen it sounds like you are really getting situated!

On the Rent v Buy thing, consider finding somewhere that does land contracts. It's kind of a rent-to-own deal. You pay "rent" every month, and a large percentage of that actually goes to you owning the land. Of course, if you default or don't make it the full length of the agreement, then your "invested" money is lost, but it is anyways by straight out renting.

If SHTF you just walk away from the land contract, like you would a rental,  and head to the BOL you've invested in. This might be a good way to achieve both.

My wife and I will be pursuing BOL next year as well, probably investing on it with my brother and his family. Scoutmaster is an excellent resource when it comes to locating BOL, I've found.

In the meantime, I can suggest getting a dehydrator, a bunch of mylar bags and an impulse sealer, and start dehydrating veggies and fruits. To me, this was an excellent setup for food storage, as the dehydrated food lasts a very long time when properly prepared. Get a rifle, shotgun, 22LR (rifle or pistol) and defensive pistol. Get your CCW permit. Get ammo for all of them, and a cleaning kit. Learn to use them!

It's all fun stuff!
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on May 22, 2010, 08:15:03 AM
Sounds like a good plan, and with the market what it is right now it should be fairly easy to do, I would guess it would not be as hard to walk away if you don't have a mortgage on a place that you are locked in to at full cost.  I just heard that the repossession  from banks are going to be up %600 with in the summer this year. That should open up a lot of interesting and different kinds of deals.

As I said in my other post, and I am sure it sounds a little different to some. Right now with things the way they are The BOL would be my first project. Lets just say that the Dictatorship finds some reason to postpone or cancel the elections this november, or even in 2012.
 If things start coming apart, then in six months do we have a place that we feel would be safe??

It would be nice to have a nice new purchased home and mortgage. My guess it would lead to trying to stay there too long before making the decision to leave for the safety of the family. On the other hand if you have gotten a BOL location. and are living in a rented or rent to own home, not tied to a mortgage it might be a bit easer to bail early and much safer. And A really huge thing about that is your preps would already be there, no need to try and carry them with you to locations unknown. And you can make several trips with the time that is left so Much much more can be there. Like walk in and turn on the lights kind of thing. Believe me I don't look forward to leaving a home I have paid for and lived in for 40 years. But if it is necessary so be it.

Something like what is going on now was not even thought of back when I started. I am just glad I got started on the BOL back when I did.

You might even take one step further, I think you told me that you where renting with several others right now. What if you find a rent to own, then rent out a room or two to others as you are doing now. That might make the rent for you, or at least help. And it would also give you more money for the BOL   it would not change the amount you must put towards shelter right now, it might even reduce it just a thought.

With the way things are going now-a-days all the thinking must be out side the box and  doing things we might not have considered a few years ago.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Twarner on May 23, 2010, 01:31:58 AM
Jay here, Mt. Pleasant area. Jay's Sporting goods in clare has an attached Army surplus store called General Jim's. Prices are usually good.  <-------to who wanted a surplus store.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Twarner on May 23, 2010, 01:34:28 AM
If anybody in the Mt pleasant area has seeds or plants to trade, I'm looking for most anything, especially fruit.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on May 23, 2010, 08:14:55 AM
Welcome Jay

Sounds like you are well north of most of the problems that some of us face here in the lower, parts of the state. Please jump in, we need all the help we can get.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: SigMan34 on May 24, 2010, 05:45:34 AM
Nice to have you join the Michiganders here, Jay. Welcome from just south of Grand Rapids!
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Kaizen on May 24, 2010, 07:50:10 PM
Kaizen it sounds like you are really getting situated!

On the Rent v Buy thing, consider finding somewhere that does land contracts. It's kind of a rent-to-own deal. You pay "rent" every month, and a large percentage of that actually goes to you owning the land. Of course, if you default or don't make it the full length of the agreement, then your "invested" money is lost, but it is anyways by straight out renting.

If SHTF you just walk away from the land contract, like you would a rental,  and head to the BOL you've invested in. This might be a good way to achieve both.

My wife and I will be pursuing BOL next year as well, probably investing on it with my brother and his family. Scoutmaster is an excellent resource when it comes to locating BOL, I've found.

In the meantime, I can suggest getting a dehydrator, a bunch of mylar bags and an impulse sealer, and start dehydrating veggies and fruits. To me, this was an excellent setup for food storage, as the dehydrated food lasts a very long time when properly prepared. Get a rifle, shotgun, 22LR (rifle or pistol) and defensive pistol. Get your CCW permit. Get ammo for all of them, and a cleaning kit. Learn to use them!

It's all fun stuff!

Hey thanks Donald & Scoutmaster.  A rent-to-own situation is something I will investigate, as our lease will be up in October... it could reap benefits.

I'm mostly squared away on the arms portion, however food preps (I have about a 1.5 month supply) is something I need to improve on.  For sure, I need to acquire a dehydrator as you mentioned... I've had my eyes on excaliburs for a while... should be getting a 4-tray model on Ebay sometime in the next month or two.  Haven't started doing any preservation yet, although I have began eating a lot more beans, rice, and pasta, in preparation to shift my diet toward more "sustainable" / storable food.

I'm definitely going with the BOL over the mortgage at this point.  I know I’ll get **** for it from my family and friends, but I’m going to make it priority… it’s essential insurance in my book… and I’ll really enjoy building it and living there whenever possible.  Acquiring the land is going to be one of my goals as I move into the summer.  I want to start my Masters within a year, however I think establishing at least SOMEHING for my BOL is going to be financial priority before I go into debt with student loans!
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on May 26, 2010, 05:26:08 AM
Glad to see both of you guys are heading for having a BOL, With the November elections, and then the General elections soon after I hope we don't need the BOL before then.

 My main concern right now is this November. If the present dictatorship doesn't try something then it will surprise me. :'(
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Twarner on June 01, 2010, 08:37:52 PM
Thanks to all the welcome greetings, maybe we can get a MI meet & greet sometime. Been listening to TSP for a while, borrowed my bro's computer to download podcast's.
I finally broke down and bought a newer computer. So now I can interact more.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on June 02, 2010, 05:13:17 AM
Sounds Good Twaener,

There are a few of us around, but for the most part michigan is dormant when it comes to interaction. But we keep trying.  Hope to see you on more offten.
SM
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Twarner on June 10, 2010, 12:05:54 PM
Any idea on how many Michigan listeners there are? I make my Brothers listen when they come over to the house, I won't turn it off. Usually they end up commenting about something. I usually will play and episode they would like, something about guns or gardening.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on June 10, 2010, 12:56:33 PM
Are you talking Pod-cast or the  ham radio Prepers Nets ??

Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on June 10, 2010, 01:30:59 PM
I know every one that preps, try's and talks to others, But usually after a while of talking and trying  I just usually say,

"Well IF we lost grid power and where told that it would be out for six months, the stores where cleaned out and had no more food or other supplies, and we where told that do to a earth quake they would not be restocked for several weeks, What would you do".  They usually say I would just come to your house., Then I tell them I won't be home, And don't try and find me.
That usually gets them to thinking.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Twarner on June 12, 2010, 08:35:31 AM
For most people that would work. But with my brothers, they know where my garden is. Lazy Bums are just waiting for harvest time to show up. I never see them when I'm digging out a new bed or raking grass for mulch.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on June 12, 2010, 12:47:59 PM
Well some times folks like that need a real weak up, or they will stay like that forever if those around them allow it,  and continue it  to go un checked people make allowances for it.  Maybe harvest he garden a week early, when they get there tell them it is already taken of. And being as how they did not help plant, you really did not think they would think they would be looking or be in line for any, then re-fur back to the post-cast that you played. Maybe that would get the thought process going.

Some times now a days it takes a  check to get the wheels going
In some cases only tough Love works, it's kind of like a father leaving a son in jail after doing something stupid, that had been talked about.

Just a thought
Good luck
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Shanhale on June 14, 2010, 02:15:19 PM
Hi everyone.  I'm in Michigan, too. Near Detroit. In the 'burbs. I have strong ties to more rural areas out near Jackson, though. Was out there fishing all weekend.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on June 14, 2010, 02:21:53 PM
I think it's time we plan something.

My suggestion: Pontiac Lake State Park gun range. Shotgun shooting (trap).   July 31, say 11 am?  If someone knows that area better, maybe a sit-down lunch afterwards.

Any interest?

D

Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on June 14, 2010, 04:21:54 PM
Sounds interesting, I agree, I think they have a open picnic aria that we could set up a little cook out and may be go off a little way away from others so we can talk. We always seem to run into problems in restraints  talking freely with out having  others get the wrong Idea.

Welcome, Shanhale

Glad to see other Michiganders,
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Twarner on June 15, 2010, 05:48:33 AM
My uncle has 10 acres in leslie, I'd have to ask him, seems most every body but me is in the south.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on June 15, 2010, 06:14:28 AM
Sounds interesting, I agree, I think they have a open picnic aria that we could set up a little cook out and may be go off a little way away from others so we can talk. We always seem to run into problems in restraints  talking freely with out having  others get the wrong Idea.

That's a darn good idea. There is a huge area for picnicking at the beach as well. Let's plan on that.

Any TSPer invited, with special emphasis on the Michigan gang
July 31, 11 am   Pontiac Lake State Park shotgun range.  Picnic lunch afterwards.


You will need:
Shotgun (you can use mine if you don't have one)
Shotshells (if you are going to use mine, bring 2 boxes or so of 12 gauge 2 3/4" hull, #8 shot)
Hearing protection (for protecting your ears from the shotgun noise and Scoutmaster  ;D  )
Safety glasses
$6 for the range fee
$6 for daily parking
Your lunch and drinks
Folding chair or large blanket in case the picnic tables are all taken
Any materials you might want for a prepper show and tell. (I'll bring a laptop with my prep inventory in Excel)




Now, who's in?  I will likely be there regardless of attendance from TSP. Clay targets need killin.

D
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on June 15, 2010, 06:59:46 AM
My travel planes have changed a little, but as long as I am in the state I am in, haven't shot much trap, am a skeet man myself, do they have that??? Or just trap. I like the cook out Idea as we can pic a place out away from all else.

 We have had several group meetings around the aria and it has always been in a restraint. And we always have the problem of other groups  close to our table and being able to hear every one else at the table at the same time. Some people just don't understand when you are trying to talk across the table and say "How much did that case of ammo go for". I guess it just sounds a little strange in some circles.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on June 15, 2010, 09:33:41 AM
My travel planes have changed a little, but as long as I am in the state I am in, haven't shot much trap, am a skeet man myself, do they have that??? Or just trap. I like the cook out Idea as we can pic a place out away from all else.

The Pontiac Lake shotgun range is essentially an open field with a bunch of tables in a row. Set up at one of the tables and just hand-throw the clays. I prefer this option because hand throwing can be far more challenging. It's also more relaxed since you're not on a schedule.

Island Lake has a formal skeet range, complete with the regulation shooting stations and towers. It's also minutes from my house. I could do either but far prefer Pontiac Lake for this venue.

D
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on June 15, 2010, 02:32:19 PM
Hand throwing sounds great, I might even be able to find a box of clays,  we use to do that all the time I use to have some in the basement I will need to see if they are still there. and it is a lot mire fun, and I can still use my skeet gun, as they are not going that fast. Sounds like a plan
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Kaizen on June 16, 2010, 05:36:12 PM
That's a darn good idea. There is a huge area for picnicking at the beach as well. Let's plan on that.

Any TSPer invited, with special emphasis on the Michigan gang
July 31, 11 am   Pontiac Lake State Park shotgun range.  Picnic lunch afterwards.


You will need:
Shotgun (you can use mine if you don't have one)
Shotshells (if you are going to use mine, bring 2 boxes or so of 12 gauge 2 3/4" hull, #8 shot)
Hearing protection (for protecting your ears from the shotgun noise and Scoutmaster  ;D  )
Safety glasses
$6 for the range fee
$6 for daily parking
Your lunch and drinks
Folding chair or large blanket in case the picnic tables are all taken
Any materials you might want for a prepper show and tell. (I'll bring a laptop with my prep inventory in Excel)




Now, who's in?  I will likely be there regardless of attendance from TSP. Clay targets need killin.

D

Sounds like a great time.... Count me in!  I'll bring my newly acquired Mossberg 500.


Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Twarner on June 16, 2010, 07:31:17 PM
almost bought a new 3o6, today, talked myself out of it. bit big of a gun for my property, didn't need it with the 8mm
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: paladin on June 30, 2010, 07:51:16 PM
hello everyone,

Bill from Rockford here, 10 miles north of grand rapids.

Take care
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on July 01, 2010, 06:18:08 AM
Welcome Bill,

Seems to be lots of you guys over on the other side of the state, But we have a few over here on the east side also. Again welcome, Jump in on a topic  the more the better.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Twarner on July 01, 2010, 01:13:10 PM
Welcome Bill, glad to see another surviver in Michigan,
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on July 25, 2010, 06:43:47 PM
That's a darn good idea. There is a huge area for picnicking at the beach as well. Let's plan on that.

Any TSPer invited, with special emphasis on the Michigan gang
July 31, 11 am   Pontiac Lake State Park shotgun range.  Picnic lunch afterwards.


You will need:
Shotgun (you can use mine if you don't have one)
Shotshells (if you are going to use mine, bring 2 boxes or so of 12 gauge 2 3/4" hull, #8 shot)
Hearing protection (for protecting your ears from the shotgun noise and Scoutmaster  ;D  )
Safety glasses
$6 for the range fee
$6 for daily parking
Your lunch and drinks
Folding chair or large blanket in case the picnic tables are all taken
Any materials you might want for a prepper show and tell. (I'll bring a laptop with my prep inventory in Excel)

As luck has it, my instructor has called a dojo meeting this day and my attendance is required. Any thoughts on moving this to, say, 8/14 ?
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Stormchaser on July 25, 2010, 08:00:05 PM
We'd like for you Michiganders to come just a tad south of the Ohio-Mich border and join us for a tri-state Labor Day Freedom campout. If you tent camp, the price is dang cheap and even if you bring an RV its not all that expensive. About 20 miles East of Toledo near Davis-Bessie electrical plant, so if it doesn't blow up we should have a pretty good time.

Check it out -

Labor Day Weekend (Sept. 3-6, 2010)
Northern Ohio location (near Cedar Point)
Freedom Lovers Weekend
Casual schedule
Campfires
Swimming Pool
Camping @ $7.50/night (tent)
New friends/Networking

Features -

Potluck Dinners
Dirttime 10 Report and Pics
Barter Fair (Bring your items to sell)
Trade Blanket (Bring your items to trade)
Countryside (magazine) July 4 Reunion Report and Pics
Possible workshops (Do you have any special skills to share?)
Very near Lake Erie - fishing, boating, birdwatching

Let me know if you are interested. More details are being worked out.

Region 4 info tread -

http://thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/index.php?topic=19195.0 (http://thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/index.php?topic=19195.0)
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: SigMan34 on July 28, 2010, 02:50:04 PM
Hey, fellow Michiganders, how's everyone doing?

I've been MIA for about the past 2 months. This is the absolutely busiest time of year at work (6 - 7 days per wk, 10 - 11 hrs per day --- feel sorry for me yet???) so I had to take a leave from regular reading and posting. I'm back in the saddle now, however. Very glad to see others have jumped in while I was away and there were even a couple meet-n-greets mentioned. Very cool.

Anyway, just wanted y'all to know I'm in the land of the living and should be back in here on a regular basis now.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Kaizen on July 29, 2010, 06:45:42 PM
As luck has it, my instructor has called a dojo meeting this day and my attendance is required. Any thoughts on moving this to, say, 8/14 ?

Sorry guys... Turns out I'm not gonna be able to make it this weekend after all.  We're celebrating mi madre's birthday on Saturday, with my sister's pre-wedding hoohah on Sunday.  And then my cuz is getting married up in Hale 8/14... bummer.  Don't hold out for me though...  Have a blast!
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Crimson Wolf on August 04, 2010, 08:25:56 AM
Well, it looks like MI is once again lurching its way towards a liberal hellhole. >:(

In November it will be RINO Rick Snyder vs. Lansing Mayor Virg Bernero for Governor. :wtf:

You would think after 8yrs of Gramholm this state would learn its lesson, but I guess not! :censored:

I swear Idaho is looking better and better.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on August 04, 2010, 09:25:39 AM
All I can say is, YEP looks that way. It just makes me wonder how dumb people are.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Crimson Wolf on August 09, 2010, 08:57:43 AM
New Michigan law makes life simpler for home kitchen entrepreneurs
http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2010/07/new_law_makes_life_simpler_for.html (http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2010/07/new_law_makes_life_simpler_for.html)

Kathy Smith, of East Grand Rapids, left, sells a jar of Smitty's Hot Sludge to Julie Goble, of Cascade, as Smith's sister-in-law Peggy Reyers, of Ada, arranges samples earlier this month at the Ada Farmer's Market. Smith and Reyers make the hot fudge sauce with a family recipe. The two have been licensed to sell since March, but it took about a year to obtain. A new state law will help the process become less cumbersome.

For years, the home-made hot fudge sauce that Kathy Smith's 95-year-old mother-in-law developed in the 1950s was a much sought-after holiday gift among family and friends.

It was less simple when Smith and her sister-in-law Peggy Reyers decided to market the gooey treat.

They entered an unfamiliar world of state-certified commercial kitchens, food labeling rules, PH levels, shelf stability and something called "water activity."

One year later, they are taking Smitty's Hot Sludge to farmer's markets and food retailers to see if it will become as popular outside their family.

Life could become less complicated for "cottage food" entrepreneurs like Smith and Reyers under a new state law signed by Gov. Jennifer Granholm this month.

The new law exempts food producers with sales of less than $15,000 from many of the state's licensing and inspection requirements.

Instead, their product labels must say, "Made in a home kitchen that has not been inspected by the Michigan Department of Agriculture."

"If this had been allowed last year, we could have taste-tested our market at the farmers market to find out if people like it," Smith said.

"This legislation boosts the production and sale of Michigan-made food products," Granholm said. "It will be a boost to small and medium-sized farms, local farmers markets and entrepreneurs throughout the state."

Gwen Brennan, of Ada, right, gasps at how good Smitty's Hot Sludge tastes as Peggy Reyers, of Ada, serves samples Tuesday at the Ada Farmer's Market.

Although the law removes some barriers to production, it does not give home cooks free range to market their goodies. The law still requires pre-packaging and product labels that comply with federal regulations by listing ingredients and allergens. Cottage food operators also are subject to enforcement actions by the state Department of Agriculture.

Cottage food operators can only sell directly to consumers. Internet, mail order and consignment sales are prohibited.

Products that fall under the new law include jams, jellies, granola, dried fruit and herbs, cereal, dry mixes, candy and baked goods.

Smith said they could have cut the time and money they spent in a state-licensed "starter kitchen" as they developed their product to comply with regulations that govern PH levels and shelf stability.

"We're still trying to tweak our recipe," Smith said. The new law will allow them to spend more product development time at home, she said.
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Home-based "cottage" food operations fall under these new state requirements:

• Gross sales cannot exceed $15,000.

• Labels must include name and address of cottage food operator.

• Labels must include ingredients, net weight or volume of the product.

• Allergen labeling must conform to federal specifications.

• Cottage food products can only be stored in the primary domestic residence.

The law also allows them to avoid some of the fees they have had to pay for licenses and inspections, she said.

Not all cottage food processors believe the law is helpful.

"I think it's misguided and a mistake," said Drew McLean, owner of Bearboy Gourmet.

McLean, who sells his "Rustica rubs" through retailers and farmers markets in Holland and Grand Rapids, said his three years of experience in have taught him to take food safety seriously.

"One of the things I learned through this whole process is how dangerous it can be to produce food for other people," the Holland resident said.

"There's a pretty steep learning curve just learning how to produce, said McLean, a college instructor who said he developed his spicy marinades while living in Mexico.

"If you don't have the right PH, you can get people horribly sick," said McLean, who said Michigan Department of Agriculture officials were helpful in getting him started.

Cottage food processors may save some time in the kitchen, but they still have the challenge of producing a food label that complies with federal requirements, McLean said.

They also may have difficulty getting product liability insurance for their products if they use the new short-cuts, he said.

Despite the challenges, McLean said the venture has been worthwhile.

"I've got way too much time and energy, and it's way too much fun," he said.

E-mail Jim Harger: jharger@grpress.com and follow him on Twitter at twitter.com/JHHarger

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Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on August 09, 2010, 09:01:23 AM
mmmmmm..... Fuuuuudge....
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Mike Honcho on August 09, 2010, 09:24:50 AM
Just wanted to say hello to my MI folks...I was born and raised in Cheboygan but now live in the D.C. metro area (talk about culture shock!). My parents still live up there, plus I'm still dumb enough to be a Lions fan so I guess I still qualify as a Michigander at heart!

Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on August 09, 2010, 04:49:59 PM
Wow I just went through Cheboygan today, picked up a new bed for the BOL, Brewbakers  is going out of business and selling everything at a little less than 1/2 price. Might just as well sleep good when the SHTF
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Morning Sunshine on August 09, 2010, 05:30:39 PM
hey guys... Utah here.  We are considering a move, and right now, the lower 48 are open.  well, not really.  we like places with snow.  so anything south of northern Utah, Nebraska, Kentucky are not happening.  And Michigan is on my happy list for a few reasons:
snow
homeschool laws - according to HSLDA, Michigan is a "green" state, one of the best places
cheap housing right now


here are my questions:
can you grow fruit trees?  specifically, peaches? but also apples, pears, cherries, apricots and nut trees
what about hot weather garden stuff: watermelon, cantaloupe, etc.

if you have a well, about how deep do you have to go?
is there even a possibility of solar power?
how do folks feel about LDS neighbors (Mormons?)
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on August 09, 2010, 05:47:09 PM
Hello Morning Sunshine!

Michigan is wonderful as it has the best of 4 seasons.

You can grow fruit trees. MI is renowned for its apples. Pears grow well here, and there are a few strains of northern climate peaches that do well. Cherries do very well here, too.

I believe watermelon does OK. We have hot summers, they're just not as long as other places. I am going to be trying watermelon next year.

As for well, most places in MI has a fairly high water table. I don't know the numbers but have never heard of anyone having well issues.

Last I checked into solar power, it is decent, but not as much yield as southern states. From one guy who really looked into it that I know, he said unless you put them on those motorized trackers, it may not be terribly cost effective.

Most people I know are fairly tolerant of anyone. We have a lot of Arab, Chaldean, Armenian, German Korean, and Polish ethnicity. I do not know any Mormon's personally, but can't really that people would have an issue, besides those dredges of our populace that normally have issues with stuff like that.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on August 10, 2010, 07:04:50 AM
Hello  Sunshine!

Donaidj

covered most of it, but I will throw in a few things.

As he said Fruit is no problem, the north parts of the state on the  east side is known  to be the cheery capital of the world, there are other fruit trees all over the state, I have a large orchard at my BOL with many different kinds as well and we usually get good yield from them. 

Home schooling here is no problem, I know some people that have unfortunately misused it and there kids have not been in school in over five years, and the sad parts are they have done almost no teaching but the courts have done nothing when some of the relatives complained to the courts that the mother was not doing any thing, The father (divorced) even complained to the courts and nothing happened.

As far as cheap housing, that should be OK as well if you stick to the northern parts of the state, Not so sure about the southern parts, but land is getting very plentifull in the northern parts, and if you are into doing a lot for yourself I think you could live very cheap. Taxes are not to bad and the rest is up to you as to how fancy you make it, I have a BOL in the north with no Grid power and living there is pretty cheap.

 I also have Solar power there and it works but as Donaidj said is a bit of challenge  It works OK during the summer but is rough in the winter as we have a lot of overcast weeks during the winter. You would either need a lot of panels or some way to supplement them in the winter.

Wells as he said, are all over the place, Many people in the north put down there own, any place from 20 or 30 feet to over 300 feet, The one I have at the BOL is a flowing well, it is over 300 feet deep, but my closest neighbor about a mile has a 40 foot well that he put in himself.

As far as  LDS neighbors (Mormons?)

 We love them, we have a large group of LDS, down in the south east part of the state, in fact I frequently buy  from them at there food distribution center, they do not require us to be members so we go there two to three times a year, There Great people, on the other side the northern parts of the State has a very large population of Amish, I buy a lot of stuff from them as well, also great people.     Not sure of the differences, but both very friendly and great people.

Weather is good here, like Donaidj said, I like it a little better in the north, it is just a little cooler there and not so much Ice, more snow and it stays frozen a little more.
Now the bad part  of MIchigan,

The only bad part I can pass on is Jobs, we have been at over 10% and at times closer to 14% unemployed for several years now.  contrary to what the government wants us to believe I still know of people that are loosing there jobs, One of the richest counties in the state is still laying off people. I notice more and more places ( business ) going out of business. lots and lots of stores that just set vacant.


But other than that it is a great state, and we would welcome you
SM

Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Morning Sunshine on August 10, 2010, 08:32:02 AM
wow - this is great information.  I really like the idea of the UP.  Don't know why, but I do.  I lived in Quebec for 2 winters, and my hubby in Russia for 2, so cold is no problem, and as far as I am concerned, the more snow, the better (as long as it melts eventually!)
and it is land we want.

I knew about the job situation.  We are looking for a telecommuting job, dh is a programmer, so if a ob is okay with that, he could work from anywhere.  we are currently trying to get hired on at BIL's work, and he telecommutes from New Zealand!  My job follows me wherever we go - four homeschool kids, a budding homestead, and managing a household of preppers together make a full time job!

One more question, regarding land.  I have actually never been to Michigan, we are choosing places based on criteria that are kind of objective, not based on love for a place:
homeschool laws (top priority)
weather patterns (not too hot - we like snow and cold)
we want easy water source - wells in Utah are deep, and hard to find.  Ours is 400 feet and beautiful tasty water, but there is no way to get water if SHTF - the nearest flowing water is about 5 miles down the mountain - which means 5 miles UP the mountain with water in tow.
we want trees.  lots of lovely green trees.  I love Utah's stark openness, but there is something about trees that make me happy :) - oh, and 8-yo son wants climbing trees, and I would also like a heat source not dependent on the oil/propane/natural gas pipelines.

so my other question - are there any hilly parts of Michigan, or are you pretty flat.  I am not asking mountains - I have seen what you folks East of the Mississippi call mountains, and, well, I am not impressed  ;)  I am looking for just a few rolling hills to break up the flatness of the landscape.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: dukejer on August 10, 2010, 09:01:42 AM
Hi Morning Sunshine,

The Northern parts of the Lower Peninsula are hilly with a lot of trees and similar conditions to the Upper Peninsula, (UP).  I live in the South East part of Michigan.  The Traverse City area is nice if you want a little more population, about 14,000 people, without the big cities like in the Detroit area of South East Michigan.  Also there is more wind on the west side of the state so it is possible to put up a wind mill for energy.  You could also buy a wood gasifier because there are a lot of trees in Michigan.  The Upper Peninsula is very sparse with a very low population and a lot of land and trees along with a lot of snow.  I think last year some parts were getting over 100 inches of snow for the whole season.  You will end up with snow tunnels around houses and buildings.  Marquette with about 21,000 people is a nice area in the UP and has a little more population being a college town.  Also if you want to be close to population in the UP the west side near Escanaba, 12,000 people and Menominee, 8,000 people, are near the Marinette Wisconsin border which has about 10,000 people.  The UP is very beautiful place with a lot of resources minus the people.  The soil is sandy but there are some farms in the UP with crops and cattle.

- Dukejer
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Mike Honcho on August 10, 2010, 12:57:01 PM
Wow I just went through Cheboygan today, picked up a new bed for the BOL, Brewbakers  is going out of business and selling everything at a little less than 1/2 price. Might just as well sleep good when the SHTF

Yep Brewbakers! Dang they're going outta business.... I use to go to the one in Onaway all the time; the economy up there is horrible (which is part of the reason I stay here in D.C. instead of coming back home)... My best friend still lives up there and has been unemployed for about 3 yrs now. He is far from lazy and is a certified collision& refinishing (auto body) specialist but can't find a job to save his life... He's been doing some odd jobs here and there to pay the bills... Tough times!!!
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on August 10, 2010, 12:59:17 PM
wow - this is great information.  I really like the idea of the UP.  Don't know why, but I do. 

I went to college in the UP.  It is very nice up there. Lots of space, decent seclusion. I like the western UP the best, as it becomes more hilly.

If SHTF you can always mine copper and silver.  =)
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on August 10, 2010, 03:01:51 PM
Sunshine!

It sounds like either the north eastern parts of the lower, or the upper would be best for you, From what I have seen with my friends kids you won't need to worry about the home schooling thing, Like I said his have not been in school in over five years as his wife said she was home schooling them but she hasn't  But not even the X husband could get them back into school or anything done to her because of her lack of teaching on her part. So it seems to be wide open.

The upper parts of the lower are great, but the East side is much cheaper in property cost, the western sides have a few large cities and a lot of well to do people living there, So if you stay in the lower the east side is cheaper. there is some hilly places, but like you said no mountains. I can't tell you anything about he water or wells in the UP never spent any time up there. But like I said the northern parts of the lower have places where there are a lot of flows,( flowing wells)  I have one. The water runs right out of the pipe, 24/7 with no pump. I tied a pipe in down about 7 feet below the frost line and pump it into the house out of the well casing, but if for some reason my 12 volt pump quits I can just go with a pail and bring it in from in front of the house.

All though I don't know of any one that has a flow that lives up in the hills, they usually tend to be in the  lower lying arias

SM
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Morning Sunshine on August 10, 2010, 06:03:11 PM
browsing the listings - wow there is some cheap property up there!  my husband pointed out - we need really really good internet.  his job would require it.

what are our options while living in the "sticks" of the UP?
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Mike Honcho on August 10, 2010, 06:27:41 PM
browsing the listings - wow there is some cheap property up there!  my husband pointed out - we need really really good internet.  his job would require it.

what are our options while living in the "sticks" of the UP?

Hello Morning Sunshine,

I lived in the northern lower peninsula for close to 20 years and know the upper peninsula very well... I'm sure in the western part of the UP where there is a decent population high speed internet is not an issue. Where my parents live on Black Lake between Cheboygan and Onaway (north eastern LP) they still have dial-up. Actually I don't know anyone who doesn't "live in town" with HS internet as the sparse population of dirt roads have hindered the cable/phone companies motivation for updating the infrastructure ($). My folks can't get cable TV either, satellite is a good alternative for television though and they do have a dish (which was big news about 5 years ago - no lie!). The folks say it costs too much for satellite internet, but they are pushing 70 and rarely use it; and surely not for business so for you and yours it may be a good alternative and open up more choices for you. Hope my butting in helped; now... back to your regularly scheduled program :)... -MH
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on August 11, 2010, 07:47:33 AM
I can't add anything about the UP, that would be accurate  I really don't know much about what they have up there. I do know they have fiber-optic in many places in the lower  that was put in with in the last few years. It is spotty and would need to be checked with every different location.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on August 11, 2010, 07:49:54 AM
If you are a football fan, you may want to look at a different state.    ;D
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: dukejer on August 11, 2010, 08:01:51 AM
If you move to the UP I would not worry about being a Lions Fan.  A lot of them associate with Green Bay.  Internet is very spotty except close to the small towns.  I would definitely check each location before you buy.  Maybe you could have a place in or near town and then a BOL somewhere else.  Just going 30 miles outside of a town and you are in a completely remote setting with no one around.  I had a friend that lived about 30 miles from Memoninee and would drive into Menominee for work each day.  He only passed one car at 6:30 AM each morning on his route.  It was the same car everyday and eventually the 2 cars would wave at each other everyday as they passed.

- DukeJer
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on August 11, 2010, 01:33:32 PM
I would also guess that the UP would be a good place to fall off the fall of the earth, BUT, I would also look in to the growing season, I think it is rather short, I have seen a few farms up there but tend to see a lot more in the lower even the upper parts of the lower,  Just thoughts, when homesteading the growing part could be very important. I know there seems to be a vast weather difference when crossing into the upper, I would guess it would also effect the solar problems, with overcast weeks in the fall and winter months.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: MTUCache on August 11, 2010, 02:14:38 PM
I grew up in SE Michigan and went to school in the UP (MTU, obviously). In between I spent most of my summers in the Higgins Lake area (right near the middle of the LP).

Frankly, without looking at the specific area you're interested in, you could be in for quite a bit different scenario than you're imagining.

The UP areas that I'm familiar with aren't very conducive to farming or gardening very much. Houghton and the Keweenaw area especially are very rugged, rocky, and covered in snow for at least five months out of the year. It's not unheard of to have snow on the ground from late October to mid May. Marquette has a similar climate. I don't have any specific experience with climate/soil conditions in the southwestern portion of the UP (near Wisconsin).

SE Michigan (including Lansing and all the way up north of Flint to Bay City/Saginaw) probably doesn't have as much to offer as you'd like (unless you're big into highways, McMansions, and suburban commuters). Some areas are much less dense and there's plenty of pockets of agriculture between the cities, but you'll never be more than 30-40 miles away from a major city.

The thumb area (north of Port Huron) offers quite a bit of open space and farming. Likewise, the SW area (outside of GR and KZoo anyway) is quite nice. Anything from wineries to wilderness. Traverse City and the surrounding area is a very nice place, with the property values to go along with it. In-between those areas though there are HUGE swaths of land that are extremely varied. Lakes, rivers, forests, etc.

I can't stress enough how important it would be to make a visit to several different areas of Michigan. If the culture, people and laws in the state are to your liking, you'll find an endless variety of land and living situations.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Morning Sunshine on August 11, 2010, 03:09:33 PM
yeah, we are planning a family vacation to Michigan when the time gets closer, and if it is still on our happy list.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on August 12, 2010, 06:55:43 AM
Well I agree with much of what MTU said about the UP, although I really do not have much knowledge about the location. We have had hundreds of Scout outings up there and spent hundreds of nights up there it was always out in the wild camping,  But as he said it is very rough country, a lot of the stuff that was growing was a bit scrubby, like in many many short growing seasons.

IF you guys vacation here make sure you check the north east section of the state, I think he hit all the other sections other than the N/E.  It is much different than the rest. Very little population, no industry, No major large city's other than one or two on the coast, ( of the great lakes) inland there is not much.

Because of that the tax base is a bit lower, there are much fewer services   ( so you would need to check the internet) I know they have fiber optic in some locations and not even cable in others.
But the growing season seems to be Farley good, more farms around, and those that I know of have supper gardens, lots of people I know live out of there gardens.

The state has a lot to offer, just driving 100 miles in another direction can change things a lot. That is also where my friend lives that his X wife is misusing the home schooling laws, or lack of them in her case. Much of that location is also where the Flowing wells are found, So I don't think water would be a problem.

Was wondering do you have anything set up for communications? just wondered, it has always been high on my list

Something I was wondering do you have any set up dealing with communications, It has always been very high on my list??
Good Luck
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: roachs01 on September 03, 2010, 07:39:40 AM
Hello Michiganders!  Reporting in from Grand Rapids area. 
Looks like there is a lot of information here to get caught up on!!! 
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: mesta26 on September 03, 2010, 08:35:05 AM
Hi Michigan people, I am from the Hillsdale area, which is south of Jackson close to the Ohio border.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on September 04, 2010, 07:42:51 AM
Welcome  all,

 there is a huge amount of info here, and there are really quite a few people here as well,  But unfortunately most seem to have there own agenda and Idea of  prepping and survival prepping,
We don't work together much but are all willing to help.
But I have come to the the concluation  that is normal for prepers,

Welcome ask away if you have questions, We are all willing to help if we can,
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Crimson Wolf on September 27, 2010, 09:00:01 AM
SM,

We made a decision. Come this summer when I'll be working, (Yes, there are jobs for what I've gone to college for! ;)), I will be looking for a place up North. We are going to sell my farm in the Thumb and my mom's old house.

I'll be scouring the Tax sale site and the RMLS, but what I'm on the look out for is 10 acres, at least, preferably open with little or no trees, near or next a State or Federal forest. Under $20K.

If you see anything, just let me know.

Thanks! ;D
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Crimson Wolf on September 27, 2010, 09:38:52 AM
Sorry, forgot to say where! :o

Say a line starting for Ogemaw County up to the Big Mack.

Would prefer a county not boarding a lake.

Thanks again! ;)
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on September 30, 2010, 08:36:58 AM
sounds interesting, I think you might be a little low on the  $ amount  for the 10 acres, But you never know, Sorry I havent gotten back with you sooner, I have been in and out of the hospital with the knee opperation, not going as well as planed.   and haven't had a chance to get on the internet.

Will let you know if I run across anything
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Crimson Wolf on October 01, 2010, 08:55:11 AM
Thanks, SM.

I have found a few at $25K and they have been up for a couple of yrs. Next semester I should be able to find out from Baker College in Cadillac about jobs up North.

Hope you feel better soon! ;)
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on October 05, 2010, 10:38:16 AM
wolf

what are you looking for, something way off the beaten path,  or something on a paved road but still out of the way?? with a house or bear land

It looks like with all the special interest groups that the present government Leaders have surrounded them selfs with and the radicals with in those groups we may need out safe locations sooner than we thought. I hope and Pray every one is ready, and has there place ready  But I guess it is part of the present dictatorships plan. I hope all those that voted for fundamental change of the US are happy with themselves.

God help us all.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Kain on October 09, 2010, 07:55:22 AM
Hey Gang,

New to the forum and TSP, but not new to survivalism, prepping or discussion forums. Lansing area. Glad to see folks from Michigan here!

Kain
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on October 09, 2010, 08:06:43 AM
Hey Gang,

New to the forum and TSP, but not new to survivalism, prepping or discussion forums. Lansing area. Glad to see folks from Michigan here!

Kain

Welcome Kain!

I'm from the Brighton area. There are a few of us from Michigan on here.  We're trying to get a Get Together happening one day. It's slow, but stay positive!

Don
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Crimson Wolf on October 09, 2010, 08:41:15 AM
wolf

what are you looking for, something way off the beaten path,  or something on a paved road but still out of the way?? with a house or bear land

It looks like with all the special interest groups that the present government Leaders have surrounded them selfs with and the radicals with in those groups we may need out safe locations sooner than we thought. I hope and Pray every one is ready, and has there place ready  But I guess it is part of the present dictatorships plan. I hope all those that voted for fundamental change of the US are happy with themselves.

God help us all.

More in the line of off the beaten path and bare land, especially something that may have been clear cut.

I'm going to be hit and miss here, my last two semesters are very heavy in work and tests, so bare with me! ;)
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on October 09, 2010, 11:04:47 AM
Welcome Kain,
 On the east side here, there are lots of us here just most of them  not very active, I have retired, so that about all I do is prep

wolf  sounds good I will keep a look out, I know where there is some open fields but it is on a paved road about half way between two towns
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Crimson Wolf on October 09, 2010, 01:36:37 PM
I saw a real nice 10 acres Near Roscommon, only 20K asking!

But it was on a peninsula that went into a lake! I can image how many neighbors I would have.

Saw another in Wexford with Natl. forest on three sides for $25K.

Hopefully come this spring, I'm going to offer the renter 10-20 acres to buy from me. If he bits, you may see me this summer looking around! ;)
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on October 10, 2010, 07:30:41 PM
Sounds good, things are still not looking good and going down, good luck hope to see you looking soon, we need all of us in the aria that we can
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Crimson Wolf on October 16, 2010, 08:34:58 AM
SM,

Been looking around at some RE sites, guess I'm open now to a home on land, for under $40K. 5-10 acres, really doesn't matter if on blacktop or not. Just looking for a place that would make a good retreat.

Thanks,
CDW ;)
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on October 16, 2010, 09:34:49 AM
well I have not run into much like that, that was not on the website that  sent you, How are you at taking an old farm house that is a bit rough, needs  some plumbing some electrical  and probably some structural repair.??  I think it has 5 or 7 acres and has neighbors close?? but well under your target price. and out in the country ??
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Crimson Wolf on October 17, 2010, 08:10:05 AM
Ugh, no way! :o

I've done two farm houses back from the 1880s that have problems. They are money pits. Start tearing into the problem and three more pop up from it.

Thanks for the help, SM! ;)
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on October 18, 2010, 07:09:20 AM
OK just thought I would ask,
It is getting scary,

i was up last week end and I will tell you, it looks like every other place is for sale, with houses  property and every thing else. Stuff setting by the road, tires, tables, cars ,5 wheels and everything you can guess.

There are more for sale signs than political signs, That is Scary.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Fireball on November 01, 2010, 12:08:25 PM
Hello from Port Huron, guess im not the only 1 in town
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Fireball on November 01, 2010, 12:27:51 PM
was over in marlette today. They have a flea market there every monday morning. Amish country over there.  if you are looking for guns, small farm animals, hand tools, or homemade foods, you should go and have a look.  i picked up a hand drill for 2 bucks, thought thats was a gr8 price, just needed a little oil. everything is cash and carry, no questions asked, if you know what i mean.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Crimson Wolf on November 01, 2010, 12:31:28 PM
Hello, Fireball! ;)

Got a place up north of Sandusky.

Where at in Marlette was the flea market held? I know the town pretty well.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Fireball on November 01, 2010, 01:51:25 PM
across the road from mcdonalds, by the tracks. if going north on main rd. mcd's on left, turn right at next light, then by the tracks
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on November 01, 2010, 04:18:18 PM
Hello, Firebal Welcome

Yep there is a few of us around here but we are spread out a bit.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: daveinmichigan on November 04, 2010, 07:47:02 AM
Dingell AGAIN!!! ??? Are you kidding me? OK who voted for him...somebody...anybody? I used to live "Downriver" and I couldn't believe people actually bought into this guy. I expect he will be in DC until the passes of old age, but I really got my hopes up when he was losing early on election day. I guess that is why it hurts...I had thought SE Michigan had finally seen the light...maybe next time.

Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on November 05, 2010, 10:07:34 AM
I know what you mean,
Seeing the light.

 I keep hoping more will, but after years of  trying to do just that, with local michganders just in preping and then seeing how the voting went, I have lost all hope that it will happen anytime soon.
I guess when everything falls apart,  there is mayhem in the streets and the boat is sunk. By that time the boat they are in will be swamped and no way out.  
But it is what it is. It is going to make it very hard to close the door on the ark, And say we tried. But it was done once already so I guess it will happen.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: tinaraye on November 10, 2010, 05:38:13 PM
 Hello fellow Michiganders.
 Fireball I am in the Croswell area thanks for posting about the flea market, good to know.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Fireball on November 12, 2010, 10:36:46 AM
np tina, always glad to help
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: sjkdet on November 14, 2010, 06:50:28 PM
HI, new to the forum. Just stopping in to say whats up.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: average_joe on November 14, 2010, 07:06:59 PM
Just checking in! I'm just north of cincy. Wish i could have attended the meet and greet. Maybe next time.

Aj
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on November 15, 2010, 10:19:01 AM
Hello new folks!

If anyone is interested, Cabelas has a huge ammo sale going on. .223 Rem is on sale for 5.99/20.  I got 33 boxes because that's all I could afford right now.   ;D
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Crimson Wolf on November 15, 2010, 11:29:25 AM
sjkdet, average_joe, welcome aboard! ;)
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Fireball on November 15, 2010, 03:21:30 PM
what meet and greet, did i miss it again??
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on November 15, 2010, 03:50:53 PM
There wasnt one I know of.  But, he said he was north of Cincy, so I think he mis-posted into the MI forum by mistake.

D

Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Fireball on November 15, 2010, 07:14:56 PM
well then maybe we should have one. i dont want to be the ringleader, but i'll help.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on November 16, 2010, 05:50:43 AM
I think they had one down in Ohio, some place. We tried to do a M&G a few months ago but it did not go for some reason.

welcome all, glad to a little action here on the forum,
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Crimson Wolf on November 16, 2010, 10:04:26 AM
Perhaps, those of us in the Thumb area could do a get together next spring/summer?

I'm going to be finishing college this winter and will be doing my internship, so I won't be free until then.
 ;)
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: average_joe on November 16, 2010, 02:35:46 PM
There wasnt one I know of.  But, he said he was north of Cincy, so I think he mis-posted into the MI forum by mistake.

D



Yes i did D. Sorry about the mix up guys.

Aj
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: A Pirate on December 11, 2010, 10:51:57 AM
Greetings from the Central Michigan area, glad to see other preppers  in MI, now it is the first day of muzzle loader season so to the woods go I.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: TANK on December 11, 2010, 11:33:32 AM
Hi all Tank here from Branch County, Coldwater, Quincy area
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: daveinmichigan on December 11, 2010, 01:01:08 PM
Hi Tank and welcome.
Dave from Macomb county near Romeo.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: TANK on December 11, 2010, 03:55:20 PM
Hi glad to see someone else on here.

Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: SigMan34 on December 13, 2010, 06:55:46 AM
Hey Tank, welcome from up near Grand Rapids.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: TANK on December 13, 2010, 09:44:18 AM
Yep I'm up for some information and maybe have something to offer. I'm in the Coldwater, Quincy area, it's cold and about 2 inches of snow on the ground. Summer time for some places.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: mesta26 on December 13, 2010, 10:17:12 AM
Hi tank, greetings from the Hillsdale area!
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on December 14, 2010, 07:41:34 AM
welcome all,

Yep there are a lot of us here, it is just a shame we can't work together and swap Ideas and do group buys. But every one is too busy, and it is not convenient . 

Again welcome ALL
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Nate on December 14, 2010, 01:09:03 PM
Hi!  Welcome new TSP forum members from Michigan!

 I am thinking of taking my Concealed Carry class soon.  Anyone recommend any places in the Jackson/Lansing area?  I found two places near Mason, they are Total Firearms and Not Just Guns.  Has anyone taken the class at either of these places?  Thanks!
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: roachs01 on December 17, 2010, 05:05:38 AM
There are a couple that I would recommend, but they are not in Mason county.....

1.  www.safetysolutionsacademy.com (http://www.safetysolutionsacademy.com)  Paul is a great guy, if you contact him, he know several trainers in the MI / OH area and is a great source of info!  He also has a Warrior Summit coming up in February that I am planning on attending!  Should be a blast!  :)

2.  http://livesafeacademy.com/ (http://livesafeacademy.com/)   Ian is also a great guy, and in MI, though mostly on the East side of the state

3.  http://www.beyondtheordinary.net/skipcoryell.shtml (http://www.beyondtheordinary.net/skipcoryell.shtml)  I did a CCW class with Skip 4-5 years ago, and drove down to Kalamazoo for it, it was well worth the trip!  Skip was involved in writing the MI CCCW law, and if you want to know some of the legal aspects of CCW in MI, Skip is a GREAT resource! 

I hope one of these guys can help you out!   

Enjoy!
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: daveinmichigan on December 17, 2010, 06:03:38 AM
I would like for all of us to work together and do some group buys. But we need to be careful, I organized a group buy of the "Making the Best of Basics" book and I STILL have a bunch of copies sitting in my office. We can get a great deal by doing groups buys, but nobody wants to get left holding the bag.


By the way, if anyone wants a copy of "Making the Best of Basics", I've got a bunch.  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on December 17, 2010, 07:04:40 AM
Sounds very familiar, And I know exactly what you mean, I use to believe by talking to people and showing the advantages of being prepared, Then getting a commitment from them that all was well. I spent the best part of 10 years, spreading the word and putting together a group.  Showing people the advantages of good prepping, having dinners once a month  and  having good communications, I even gave away four ham radio antenna combinations to get some guys started.

Haven't heard from any of then in over six mounts, and the last time we had a group buy only one out of seven showed up, How embarrassing that was to the place we where doing the buy. It's tough packing labeling, sealing and stacking cans with three people. Not even talking taking several hundred less cans than we told the place we where.

 Just can't figure it out.
makes no sense to me. It has hardened me to the point that if they come knocking now after an event, they will get no help from me. It is a bit to late to start after the roof falls in and the stores are all cleaned out. Much easer to make hay when the sun shines, But most just don't have time to fool with it, they think. I guess we will see how much there time was worth when it falls apart.
God help us all.

By the way how much are the books, always interested in gaining more info and adding to the library at the BOL.

Just very flustered with others as well.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on December 20, 2010, 12:22:50 PM
Sort of a sobering comment, and a bit of a subject stopper.

Sorry I am always a bit blunt I guess.

 But I call them as I see them. And from all I have seen, it seems to be the way it is. I just don't understand why no one take it more serious.
Just my thoughts.

I was to a friends house yesterday, he has been at it longer than I.( over 10 years)  He lives in an apartment, in not so good part of town. has a small pile of preps.  Makes a good Living, and is single.

Has A ride that is in need of repair. and he feels he is ready for whatever comes. But admits that those of us that live in the cities will not be safe.

Don't understand it
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: TANK on December 20, 2010, 03:04:50 PM
Hey
scoutmaster, I kinda agree with your friend, I don't think people living in cities will be safe either. My wife and I live outside a small town of about 1,500 people about 5 miles from a city of about 11,000 people in south west Michigan. I don't feel safe here!! I am trying to determine when would be the best time to go, we will be going to the UP of Michigan to out BOL timing is everything, getting across the Macinaw Bridge before it's closed is going to be a trick. I believe as far out of a city we can get will be the best thing we can do for ourselfs.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on December 20, 2010, 04:15:50 PM
I agree, and the bridge was the reason I did not do to the UP, Not many places in the lower that will do. But there a few, My concern is if anything comes up they close the bridge.  Then we are screwed. So i stayed in the lower, just barley but I don't need to worry about the bridge. But at least in the lower we can use back roads county roads and logging trails if need be to get there.

It just amazes me how many people talk themselves out of preping or finding a safe place to go. But I guess it is a lot easer to do nothing , and make excuses than find ways to keep the family safe.

Good luck the time is coming And there are going to be a lot of surprised people.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: daveinmichigan on December 20, 2010, 09:16:18 PM
Hi Scoutmaster and Tank,

Thanks for asking about the books. My cost was $20, but I can go lower is you need me to. At this point, I would just like to get them in the hands of those that can use them. I love the book, but I don't need this many copies.  ;D

Has anyone here gone to the LDS cannery in Farmington Hills? It looks like a nice place for a field trip.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on December 21, 2010, 05:48:52 AM
Hi dave,

Sounds good on the books I will take one for that much. We are trying to set up a library up at the BOL and it sounds like a good addition. As far as the cannery we hit it several times a year. that is where we where going with the group that we thought we had when none of them showed up. After the second time I gave up.  We can set up a time to meet some  time, or something, but I will take one.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: BM21 on December 27, 2010, 12:20:49 PM


Has anyone here gone to the LDS cannery in Farmington Hills? It looks like a nice place for a field trip.

I'm planning a trip there next month, and I'll report back. I spoke to a couple ladies there and seemed very pleasant and helpful. My bride has made out a list for me. She's come a long way in a short period of time, accepting what needs to be done. In fact, she finally finished "Patriot" and is developing the mindset now. Now she's very concerned about "going it alone". Guess what, me too. We all need to sleep sometime.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on December 28, 2010, 05:33:40 AM
BM21

it is a great place, and the people are very friendly. Make sure you take exact change or a check for for your payment. They can not make change, if you use cash. I hope they are putting you in with a another group as it is a bit rough with just two people doing all the stages and work. I assume you know that you must pack, label, seal, and package up every thing you buy. If you put it in #10 cans that includes running the canner and placing oxygen absorbers in each can.

Good luck it is well worth the trip, and get as much as you can , it is a lot cheaper than buying it on line.
Again good luck
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: BM21 on December 28, 2010, 09:38:45 AM
BM21

it is a great place, and the people are very friendly. Make sure you take exact change or a check for for your payment. They can not make change, if you use cash. I hope they are putting you in with a another group as it is a bit rough with just two people doing all the stages and work. I assume you know that you must pack, label, seal, and package up every thing you buy. If you put it in #10 cans that includes running the canner and placing oxygen absorbers in each can.

Good luck it is well worth the trip, and get as much as you can , it is a lot cheaper than buying it on line.
Again good luck

Thanks Scoutmaster. I didn't know about the payment methods - Good to know.

This may be a misplaced effort, but maybe a group trip to the cannery is just what is needed to get us Michiganders motivated and interacting? Trips need to be Tuesdays or Thursdays only I believe. Anyone else interested?
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on December 28, 2010, 11:53:04 AM
Ya I use to think that also, and we tried it, a while back. that was one of the times when out of seven persons planned to go, two showed. everyone is busy I guess. So I finely gave up the group Idea.

Good luck with the preps it is the way to go.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: BM21 on December 28, 2010, 02:14:17 PM
well let's see if the new year brings new participation.

If anyone would be interested in a "group" trip to the LDS cannery during the month of January, please post a message. We could possibly do a meet and greet for coffee or something before hand if anyone wants to. That may give us the chance to get to know one another before going to the cannery. 

Come on Michigan, let's get together - before we can't. 
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on December 28, 2010, 05:58:26 PM
If the economy continues to get worse as some predict it might bring some around, but as long as McDonalds is open and the stores have food on the shelves I don't think much will change. But we can hope I think it is a great Idea, I can't  really do a full run that soon we where just there in mid December.

But it is still a good Idea. I could pick up a few things, I like running the canner.  
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: venturecrew on December 29, 2010, 07:14:31 AM
People of present day tend to want to  be unaware of what is around them they really don't want to know. Most will die wondering what happened and why.

 The rest will think they have done the best they can. even if they they Die with no preps, Or No place to go and be safe,  But they have a New Car, big screen TV and a bigger house then their neighbor. It can only be changed from with in.  And not likeley to happen.

God be with you, that do plan.
it is comming, for years now
if they have not seen it they won't
Good luck all, you can only depend on yourself.
if you don't think so look around you, do you want to
put your life or your famileys in their hands.
thats my point. But that is what has happened.
GOOD LUCK   
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Sperls on January 06, 2011, 10:30:31 PM
New to this board, and new (again) to SE Michigan. Relocated a year ago from West Michigan for work. Have always had interests in survival but I have only become focused on prepping over the past few months. My wife is just starting to warm to the concept.

VERY interested in the LDS cannery, and I naively thought I could make a trip alone (?). Keep me posted on a group trip <inviting myself>.

I work a varied schedule but can likely make accomodations for most any day with a little notice.

Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on January 07, 2011, 05:58:55 AM
welcome Speris

I think you can go alone, it just makes it more difficult unless they stick you in with another group that is going on that same night. We have had a few times when they did that with us when there was not another group on the other line.  I know there are only certain  nights when they take people but I have never set one of the groups   there is another person with our group that always does that.  We where just there last month so it might be a while for us again. The guy last month told us that there groups have tripled  in the last year maybe more are getting the Idea.

But Congrads on preping  it is something every one needs to do, and some times it is a bit hard to get the wife on board but I just showed her many of the  things that will happen, and conveniently the east coast black out happened when I was well into me telling her about it, and that seemed to clinch the deal.



sense then she has not said anything bad about it. She has watched many of the things on TV about it and is now even suggesting things we might do to improve the preps. She hates the fact that we will need leave our suburban  home but some of the experiences we had during the east coast black out convinsted  her of that with out me even needing to push the issue.

Welcome again  there are really lots of us here, most just not very active


Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Sperls on January 21, 2011, 12:31:47 PM
Can you please post or e-mail me the contact information for that cannery? I called the # from the website but the woman who answered told me it was a seperate facility and gave the cell phone number for Brother ___?___ which I lost. I was also uncomfortable calling someone's cell...
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on January 21, 2011, 04:34:32 PM
I will need to find out what it is, I don't usually do any of the setting up, I know it is very informal I will see what I can fine.

this is what i found

Phone      (248) 553-2508
   
Address      
37634 Enterprise Court
Farmington Hills, Michigan 48331
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: byob75 on May 05, 2011, 06:01:22 PM
Hi Dave,

I am new to MI, moved here from MN.
I would be interested in a couple of copies of the book, if you still have some.
I am just west of Lake Orion.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on May 06, 2011, 04:24:41 AM
Welcome BYOB I have a copy of the book and it is very good, Lots more info in it over the last ones, He said he had several.  Again welcome.

As you can see we are not very active.. At least on the web
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: tomtom on May 11, 2011, 02:34:47 PM
I'm new to the Forum, thought I would say hello.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Sperls on May 11, 2011, 08:26:59 PM
Hello and welcome.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on May 12, 2011, 10:00:54 AM
Hello and welcome,
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: SigMan34 on May 12, 2011, 02:44:33 PM
Hello and a hearty welcome, TomTom.

Howdy to all you fellow Michiganders; I've been MIA for a while............shame on me.  :-\
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Kellib on June 05, 2011, 06:44:09 PM
In Florida  now but looking to move back to the Muskegon area
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on June 05, 2011, 07:19:49 PM
I've been away from the forums as well.

Lots of fun developments though:
Nearing completion of my degree
Promotion at work
Lots of martial arts training
Lots of firearms training
Working on a small business venture
Enjoying being a dad to a 3 year old!
Started a garden again this year
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on June 06, 2011, 05:04:52 AM
As you can see you did not miss anything,,,,,,
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: byob75 on September 20, 2011, 08:43:01 PM
No action in a while so I thought I would post.

Despite chasing a new rugrat, we have started some new stuff this year.
Just canned our first batch of applesauce from our trees out back.
Sugar was from our preps.

We have been participating in a CSA and a CSP.
Great heritage birds and produce we would never have tried.
Pattypan squash is great.

I have been brewing quite a bit, the keg rarely sits empty.
Reloading some, and attended my first Appleseed.

What have you all been up to?
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on September 20, 2011, 08:51:58 PM
I've been busy here as well. I dont visit the boards as much as I used to, but I assume that's because I'm doing more!

Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Nate on September 22, 2011, 05:42:39 AM
Well lets see....

Started a new job in a totally new field in a different state
Bought my first home in same state as new job
remodeled said home
welcomed my son into the world on September 3rd.  (first child)
starting to move to new state

Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on October 04, 2011, 08:06:04 PM
Well installed over A KW of solar this summer, I plan on having lights and inside water when the big move comes. Still have not found any one living in the SE and preping in the north. But still looking
SM
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Sperls on October 04, 2011, 11:01:55 PM
Recently relocated back to West Michigan.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on October 05, 2011, 08:04:35 AM
Michigan is a great state, recently spent a lot of time touring others. And I still like Michigan Best. But staying in the southern parts during a SHTF I think would be a fatal mistake. We all need a safe haven for our families.
SM
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: TANK on October 05, 2011, 11:04:27 AM
You are correct scoutmaster, living in s.w. Michigan is a worry with the people thinking what you have is theirs as well. I moved down here 24 years ago for the job. Now the wife and I are retired I've been trying to get her to go back up to the u.p. but the grandkids are down here. I keep telling her it would give us some place to go and visit. But I have to sell this place and real estate is not moving very well. I was thinking up around the Clare or Grayling area, but the real estate prices are out of this world. Any help would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on October 05, 2011, 03:03:14 PM
Well the places you talk about are nice, But for my 2 cents it is not far enough north and a bit to far west, I may not be looking at or for the same things most might be. I wanted a location that could be as safe as possible and very remote and still in Michigan where I work and all the family is. Also it needs to be a location where it can be gotten to after an event happens. And over one tank of gas up and back ( helps keep out the people from the citys coming and going back)

 For me that ruled out the UP. While I would much rather be there I do not believe it could be gotten to after an event happens. They would shut down the bridge almost at once. And it is a bit to far as a weekend trip to build it up and get use to using it.

Looking at populations I would go in to a very low population aria, not much local government very few LEO and very few roads in and out. It also tends to lower the cost of the property. The cost of land has been coming down the last four or five years. In many parts of the upper lower almost every other piece of land has gone up for sale. I have seen several pieces come down almost 40% when it gets to a selling price. And not much is selling so sellers are dealing.

 It worries me a lot the amount of people that just talk preping and really do not take it seriously . And the first thing on my prep list is a safe place, that way I am not stocking the looters and mobs that will be out roving the suburbs’ It also removes a lot of problems that a person would have trying to survive in the city.

Just my thoughts
SM
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: TANK on October 06, 2011, 06:23:03 AM
Ok Scoutmaster, you are correct on alot of your points. The U.P. would be shut off in case of an event so a person would have to live up there. I can get to Sault Ste Marie on a half a tank of gas in both my truck and car and I live near the Indiana line. I'm not sure if the north eastern area of the lower is remote enough, I was thinking about the Grayling area, it's can be kinda remote and some good hunting there with the Big Pine state park in that area. and a number of rivers in the area. I would prefer rivers to lakes do to the possibility of contamination. I agree the east shore line or that area would be better than the west just because of the areas of the rich and famous like Traverse City and north.

One of my concerns is storage, there has been alot of breaking and entering, of homes, and rented storage units. The only way I can see is living where you want to bug out to. If I had the money I would buy a place just south of Sault Ste Marie, 635 acres, some tileable and some forest near state forest with home and out buildings, a steel bridge makes this place remote. But for almost $600,000.00 it is beyond even hope for us.

Keep in touch, if you find a perfect area let me know.

Thanks
Tank
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on October 06, 2011, 10:55:24 AM
Tank
I sent you a PM let me know if you do not get it
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: venturecrew on October 06, 2011, 11:10:25 AM

not far enough north and a bit to far west


very much agree with what you say, enough said
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: rtaz on October 06, 2011, 07:51:35 PM
good evening from warren ;D
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on October 07, 2011, 10:58:00 AM
Hey guys,

Here is a story and link to a phenomenal martial arts event here in Michigan. The instructor is the Real Deal, and if possible, I highly suggest you attend!

http://www.examiner.com/martial-arts-in-detroit/martial-tactical-seminar-october-16-4
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: wagvan on February 18, 2012, 11:52:57 PM
Hi! New here. We live near Cabelas.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: KellyAnn on February 19, 2012, 07:17:18 PM
Hi! New here. We live near Cabelas.

I love that store!
Used to live in Toledo, Ohio and did the Ikea/Cabelas trek into Michigan a few times a year.
My nickname for Cabelas is "the dead animal zoo" (I mean that in a good way?)
I live in Columbus now, nearest Cabelas is about a 3 hour drive to WV.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Moonvalleyprepper on February 22, 2012, 11:15:43 AM
Hi all!

New to the forums, and to prepping. I've been doing some suburban homesteading for about 2 years now. I learned about permaculture last fall and have been reading / watching everything I can get my hands on. I follow the forums at Permies and first heard Jack because of Paul Wheatons podcast. I really liked what Jack had to say and how elegantly he summed up my mentality on why I have been doing what I do. I really like that there is a MI board, are there any clubs or meet ups? Do you have any sort of bartering or trade resources setup?

About me:
27 Male, Live in Clarkston, MI
I raise Meat rabbits in my garage, and Tilapia in my swimming pool.
Last year I had ~4,000 sq ft of organic veggie gardens, all will be moved this year as I am redesigning with permaculture principles.
I train MMA regularly, focusing mostly on No-gi Jiu-jitsu.
I love the outdoors, hunting, fishing, camping, hiking.

Looking forward to meet some fellow Michiganders!
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: byob75 on April 29, 2012, 07:07:39 AM
Welcome Moonvalleyprepper,

I am also living near Clarkston.  I would be interested in hearing more about how you are adjusting your setup for permaculture.  I have been trying to do some myself, but always looking for good ideas.  Not sure if you drink, but my brewing buddy is leaving the state so I am looking for someone to help make and drink beer.  Also up for shooting and reloading.  The DNR range in Ortonville is good and cheap.  I am always up for the Union if you wanted to meet and talk shop.

Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Moonvalleyprepper on April 30, 2012, 09:26:48 AM
Awesome!

Send me a PM and we can set something up. I'm also a homebrewer, though I havn't brewed in about a year or so, but I still have the stuff, and grain, and hops...
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Sanveann on May 27, 2012, 01:38:31 PM
Just poking my head in to say hello from the Lansing area :)
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on May 27, 2012, 04:36:02 PM
Just poking my head in to say hello from the Lansing area :)

Welcome!
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: swaby on November 01, 2012, 07:21:44 PM
Long time survival podcast listener (4 years) but new to the forum. I work in Grand rapids and live about an hour North of G.R. My family and I are active prppers and always improving our skills and food production. Looking to possibly connect with other like minded preppers. I don't buy into the tin foil hat crap or the fear fest that Alex Jones puts on but I do believe that our country is headed in a direction that will be worse than the depression.

I don't just prep to put my head in a bunker and hide but so that as a man I can take care of my family and others if/when SHTF.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: grizz2225 on November 01, 2012, 09:34:00 PM
Holy wah. I don't know how I've missed this thread for so long. I've been on the board for 2 years. Listened to the show for 3 now. I'm checking in from the central up.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on November 02, 2012, 04:14:48 AM
Welcome both of you!

There's a lot of preppers in the state, though the MI board isnt that active. Dont let it fool you, you are not alone.

I've been watching the aftermath of Sandy. Dumpster diving and guns drawn at gas lines, all after 4 days of no power.

We preppers have the right idea.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: CharlesH on November 02, 2012, 04:16:18 PM
Hi Swaby,  I'm down south of you nearer to Kazoo.  Sounds like we share a lot of the same philosophies.  Nice country up north of GR.  Charles
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: swaby on November 02, 2012, 05:59:06 PM
Thanks Guys. Looking forward to getting to know you guys better.

Speaking of the aftermath of Sandy my wife was watching the news and saw the dumpster divers and people in line for gas and she says "look at all the Sheeple that weren't prepared even though they knew there was a storm coming".

I had to chuckle about that. I feel bad for thos eon the East coast but that made me smile because I know my family gets it.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: scoutmaster on November 03, 2012, 07:03:14 AM
Welcome all
as ( Donaldj) says,  lots preppers in the state

It is just too bad that we can't be more organized get a few local groups going exc ,exc, exc
But after years of working at it, I have come to believe it is something in the DNA
 When our turn comes good luck to all.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: daveinmichigan on November 05, 2012, 02:44:30 PM
There is an Appleseed in Lapeer on December 29-30, 2012. Does anyone want to attend the event, learn some new skills and make some new friends?
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Hellbilly on November 08, 2012, 07:45:55 PM
I live in hell, I am going to try and make it to a appleseed event soon with my 10 year old son ,  just need one a little closer then Lapeer.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on November 08, 2012, 07:52:31 PM
There's a force on force event in b'ham on nov17 and a personal protection event in ann arbor the same day. I'm helping to run them so wont have much time to talk, but if anyone is interested in a quick meetup, come get some training, too!

See the firearm training and martial arts threads for details.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: 11 Bravo on December 03, 2012, 08:02:12 AM
Hello fellow Michiganders.....I'm south of Grand Rapids in the Yankee Springs area....
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Sperls on December 04, 2012, 01:15:10 PM
Hello fellow Michiganders.....I'm south of Grand Rapids in the Yankee Springs area....

Welcome! Just north of Grand Rapids near Rockford here.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: cep89 on December 29, 2012, 05:29:30 PM
Hi. I'm from the lakes area of oakland county.  I would love to here from others in this area. 
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on December 29, 2012, 05:34:38 PM
Hi. I'm from the lakes area of oakland county.  I would love to here from others in this area.

Heya Cep, I'm near South Lyon.

Welcome to the madness!

Don
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: grizz2225 on December 30, 2012, 01:13:28 AM
Heya Cep, I'm near South Lyon.

Don

Dude I moved from south Lyon 5 or so years ago. Small world.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: TheFox on January 29, 2013, 03:45:57 PM
Hello all I'm up here by Big Rapids, this was my BOL but now it's home!
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: 11 Bravo on January 30, 2013, 05:01:02 AM
Ditto here Fox....my house is my BOL....welcome.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Flicky51 on February 01, 2013, 07:41:28 PM
Greetings from Chelsea! 
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Hellbilly on February 01, 2013, 08:00:17 PM
Greetings from Chelsea!



Welcome, your right down the road from me.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: mitten on February 01, 2013, 09:07:43 PM
Hello from bEast Lansing.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: spdrace11 on February 04, 2013, 11:31:56 AM
Chad from Volkswagen gardens & guns here in Royal Oak (Oakland county).
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on February 04, 2013, 11:40:57 AM
Welcome all! I dare say it's time for a meet n greet....

Probably doing some "trajectory analysis" work that Ms Feinsteijn would not approve of...    =)
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Sprunch on February 05, 2013, 05:02:59 PM
Chiming in from Berkley(Bezerkly), raised beds and rainbarrels in the lil yard.
Can't wait to meet some of y'all!
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: grizz2225 on February 05, 2013, 05:15:23 PM
Idea for the meet and greet.

 http://www.greatlakespreppers.com/
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: daveinmichigan on February 05, 2013, 07:28:28 PM
Hey that sounds like fun, anyone know the folks running it?
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Sprunch on February 06, 2013, 01:12:05 AM
Going to request the day off of work to make sure l can go.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: 11 Bravo on February 06, 2013, 06:12:34 AM
Awesome. That's my weekend off.  Told my girlfriend about it and she reminded me that on one of the Man vs. Food episodes, Adam went to a restaurant in Birch Run that has BLT's with 1 lb of Bacon on them.....so I think she is in.....
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Moonvalleyprepper on February 06, 2013, 07:04:32 AM
Sweet, I should be able to make it to that.

Bravo11
I think it's called Tony's. I stopped there once with a buddy on our way up north. I ordered a side of bacon and I think I got a couple of pounds, had enough left overs for the whole weekend. Prices are about double that of normal diner, but you get at least twice as much food so it works out about the same.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: 11 Bravo on February 06, 2013, 07:20:03 AM
Moonvalleyprepper,

I think that I still have the episode on my DVR......definitely will check...     :)
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on February 06, 2013, 07:30:45 AM
I'm pretty darn sure I'm in for this. Might bring a couple friends, too.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: armymars on February 06, 2013, 08:16:47 AM
South of Flint near US 23
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: grizz2225 on February 08, 2013, 02:32:43 PM
I usually don't wear logos. But Imma haffa buy some TSP colors just for this.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Sprunch on February 08, 2013, 03:17:03 PM
l'm in and will be bringing friends from a FB collapse and prep group with me.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: daveinmichigan on February 08, 2013, 05:35:04 PM
I talked to the folks from the expo and it sounds like they are going to move the event back to October 2013. I wonder if Jack wants to come up and speak at the event.?
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: sjkdet on February 13, 2013, 07:54:53 PM
I talked to the folks from the expo and it sounds like they are going to move the event back to October 2013. I wonder if Jack wants to come up and speak at the event.?

Dought it, but it would be nice!


So I'll be paying attention, when this is for sure ill be there... I'm in a small business I can adjust my schedule.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: DieselMcStacked on February 14, 2013, 06:58:25 PM
What's up guys? Mike Blough in Detroit here.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Sprunch on February 26, 2013, 06:33:19 AM
I talked to the folks from the expo and it sounds like they are going to move the event back to October 2013. I wonder if Jack wants to come up and speak at the event.?
ls this still the case?
lf so l guess l'll enjoy a Saturday off of work.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on February 26, 2013, 07:02:47 AM
Yep, I got confirmation it is off until October.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: daveinmichigan on February 26, 2013, 11:06:51 AM
I think they said October 19th.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Sprunch on February 26, 2013, 11:19:45 AM
Thanks Guys!
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Sprunch on February 26, 2013, 05:18:46 PM
I talked to the folks from the expo and it sounds like they are going to move the event back to October 2013. I wonder if Jack wants to come up and speak at the event.?

Tell him about the Craft Brew scene here, that might get him interested ;)
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: cep89 on February 26, 2013, 05:39:00 PM
I went to Outdoorama in Novi on Sat. and I was amazed to see how packed it was.  I have never gone before,  I got my wife to go to the attached lakefront living show.  It had a normal crowd, but when we got to the outdoorama side you could hardly walk.  Is it just part of the guns and ammo buying panic?
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: armymars on February 27, 2013, 02:37:34 PM
  Novi, we must be close. I didn't go for fear my wife would buy something at the home improvement show next time in retaliation.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: MichiganNimrod on March 10, 2013, 10:02:51 PM
I was talking to some buddies at work about the expo coming up in October.  We all are interested.  Would be cool to meet up the TSP'ers if we make it.  I will keep my eye on it as time gets closer.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: MichiganNimrod on March 10, 2013, 10:04:35 PM
Ooopss....  High Michigan thread!   :o

I am Nimrod and live in the greater Grand Rapid-ish to Kalamazoo-ish area.   Somewhere in there... give or take.  :-X
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: daveinmichigan on March 11, 2013, 09:33:54 AM
Welcome Nimrod
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: 11 Bravo on March 17, 2013, 02:17:43 PM
Damn....I was off for the original day of the expo.....   Like it was mentioned earlier, it was changed to October 19 due to unforseen circumstances with the location.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Sprunch on March 17, 2013, 05:31:54 PM
Damn....I was off for the original day of the expo.....   Like it was mentioned earlier, it was changed to October 19 due to unforseen circumstances with the location.

Ya, did the same here...
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: VelvetJones on May 23, 2013, 07:38:44 PM
Hello checking in from Madison Heights.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Coctailer on May 23, 2013, 08:24:43 PM
Howdy from Portland, Oregon.

Looking to move to Hastings/Grand Rapids area ASAP.

This is a tag. :D
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Makwaa on June 04, 2013, 09:23:11 AM
Hello from Western MI I have been absent for a long time, it's time to get back to it.  Hope to reconnect with some old friends and make some new ones and am looking forward to learning from everyone here.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on June 04, 2013, 09:58:52 AM
Hello new Michiganders!

A few updates for me. I've been too darn busy to be posting too frequently here.


My garden is in and looks to be growing just a bit.

I achieved black belt in jujutsu.

I am continuing my firearms training.

I  FINALLY got my 72 Hour Kits made for myself and my son with the upgraded content I wanted. My wife's kit is next on the list.
I have a VERY EXCITING announcement to make soon, that I hope will enthuse you all.

More soon,
Don


Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: sjkdet on June 05, 2013, 07:12:04 PM
Hello new Michiganders!

A few updates for me. I've been too darn busy to be posting too frequently here.


My garden is in and looks to be growing just a bit.

I achieved black belt in jujutsu.

I am continuing my firearms training.

I  FINALLY got my 72 Hour Kits made for myself and my son with the upgraded content I wanted. My wife's kit is next on the list.
I have a VERY EXCITING announcement to make soon, that I hope will enthuse you all.

More soon,
Don

Big announcement? I'll be waiting!
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: grizz2225 on July 02, 2013, 10:55:09 PM
I talked to the folks from the expo and it sounds like they are going to move the event back to October 2013. I wonder if Jack wants to come up and speak at the event.?


Email him see what happens.I did. But if he gets it from a hundred of us I'm sure he'll consider it.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: lowwattliving on August 09, 2013, 09:37:53 PM
I spend a lot of time in MI. I have family in Wolverine. We also spend some time in the UP. God the fishing is amazing! I envy you guys in the spring. 
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: MTUCache on August 10, 2013, 06:10:58 AM
I spend a lot of time in MI. I have family in Wolverine. We also spend some time in the UP. God the fishing is amazing! I envy you guys in the spring.
The Spring? I'm still looking forward to the Fall!  :P
(http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/3d/8b/17/3d8b1783e3c85a5326d8781cb9c87eba.jpg)

 ;D
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Coctailer on August 10, 2013, 11:35:14 AM
Mission accomplished!!

Home has been purchased in Hastings.
We will be moving from Portland, OR in the next 2 weeks. Just in time for the kids to start school.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Jim Clare on August 11, 2013, 12:39:11 PM
Hello all. Jim here. Was raised in Clarkston/Waterford MI and now live in Ann Arbor.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Bob Spelled Backwards on August 11, 2013, 06:20:36 PM
Welcome Jim,  Go Blue !!!
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Jim Clare on August 12, 2013, 11:20:41 AM
Thanks for the welcome. So, I would like to get my CPL here in MI. Anyone know a good place to take a Pistol Safety Training Course. I live in Ann Arbor but could travel if necessary.

Thanks,

Jim
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Bob Spelled Backwards on August 13, 2013, 07:57:15 AM
Tri-county sportsmans club in Saline,  I hear they're pretty good.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: daveinmichigan on August 13, 2013, 01:03:34 PM
Thanks for the welcome. So, I would like to get my CPL here in MI. Anyone know a good place to take a Pistol Safety Training Course. I live in Ann Arbor but could travel if necessary.

Thanks,

Jim

Hello Jim and welcome. You might want to check out Michigan Gun Owners website. http://www.migunowners.org/ (http://www.migunowners.org/) they usually have lots to resources that could help you.  One of the best places (but a longish drive for you is Close Quarters Tactical cqtusa.com (http://cqtusa.com), they have a lie fire funhouse and an excellent range. My wife took her CPL class with them and it was fantastic.

Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: jonathco on August 13, 2013, 01:14:29 PM
Howdy everyone, Jon from Livingston County (Hartland Area) checking in. I am new to the forum (but not new to listening to Jack's podcasts).
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on August 13, 2013, 01:20:05 PM
Welcome newbies.  =)

Remember Oct 19 @ Birch Run is the Great Lakes Preparedness Expo. I plan to exhibit there and hope we can all meet up at some point.

D

Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on August 13, 2013, 01:21:27 PM
Howdy everyone, Jon from ...

Heya Jon. I'm in the Brighton area. Welcome!
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: jonathco on August 13, 2013, 02:11:48 PM
Heya Jon. I'm in the Brighton area. Welcome!
Thanks Donald, it's nice to know there are like mind folks in our county.  :)
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Atlas on August 16, 2013, 10:29:11 AM
DonaldJ,
Thanks for the heads up about the Great Lakes Emergency Preparedness Expo.  My wife and I are considering dropping in now. 
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: VelvetJones on August 17, 2013, 08:59:24 AM
Hey Jim check out http://annarborarms.com/
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: spdrace11 on August 19, 2013, 08:16:58 AM
Welcome newbies.  =)

Remember Oct 19 @ Birch Run is the Great Lakes Preparedness Expo. I plan to exhibit there and hope we can all meet up at some point.

D

Did not know this. Thanks.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Jim Clare on August 19, 2013, 08:32:55 AM
Hey Jim check out http://annarborarms.com/

Thanks, I went to their site once looking for ammo but never clicked on the services tab. Right in my back yard.

Jim
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: AvenueQ on September 16, 2013, 05:27:29 AM
While I no longer reside in Michigan, I grew up in Brighton and attended Albion College. I really do consider it "home." My 5-year plan is to move back to be closer to family again.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Moonvalleyprepper on September 16, 2013, 07:40:49 AM
Howdy everyone, Jon from Livingston County (Hartland Area) checking in. I am new to the forum (but not new to listening to Jack's podcasts).

Hi Jon,

Nice to see some more Michiganders, I grew up in Highland right down the road from Hartland.

I'm marking Oct 19th on my calender, hope to meet some fellow TSPers up in Birch Run.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: jonathco on September 16, 2013, 08:18:39 AM
While I no longer reside in Michigan, I grew up in Brighton and attended Albion College. I really do consider it "home." My 5-year plan is to move back to be closer to family again.
I love Michigan; we have four seasons and plenty of wildlife. Every time I talk about leaving the state, I get sentimental and end up staying. Glad to hear you are planking to head "home".
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: jonathco on September 16, 2013, 08:26:05 AM
Hi Jon,

Nice to see some more Michiganders, I grew up in Highland right down the road from Hartland.

I'm marking Oct 19th on my calender, hope to meet some fellow TSPers up in Birch Run.

Howdy Moonvalleyprepper, it's a small world! I am real close to highland. Pretty good area around here. I might have to venture out to Burch run on the 19th myself  :)
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Groundprepper on September 17, 2013, 05:57:07 PM
Hi everyone......Im in mid-michigan...Midland area...
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: jonathco on September 17, 2013, 07:27:11 PM
Hi everyone......Im in mid-michigan...Midland area...
I spent a lot of time in the Sanford area during my teen years; nice area up there!
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Coctailer on September 19, 2013, 05:33:47 PM

Anyone going to the Birch Run gun show?
Birch Run, Mi.
Birch Run Expo Center
1160 N Beyer Rd. 48415
Exit 136 off I75, N. of Flint
Sat 9am - 5pm,
Sun 10am - 3pm
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Groundprepper on September 19, 2013, 06:15:51 PM
I spent a lot of time in the Sanford area during my teen years; nice area up there!
my wife was raised there.. she graduated 77
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: VelvetJones on September 20, 2013, 07:29:30 AM
I plan on attending the Great Lakes Preparedness Expo.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on October 06, 2013, 09:10:38 PM
My protection and p[preparedness training company, Martial Tactical Training of Michigan, will be hosting a table at the Expo. I'll be there as well promoting my side business, Bu Tactical.  Look them up on Facebook.

When you get to the expo, stop by and say Hi!
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Atlas on October 21, 2013, 06:48:23 AM
Great Lakes Preparedness Expo was pretty good.  Unfortunately, we got there a little later and missed out on the talks that excited us the most.  Definitely some room to grow and improve.  Picked up one of the small "bug out bags" that were being sold.  It's more of an emergency kit add-on that a full bug out bag.  However, had a nice bag, emergency food bar, 6 water packs, small first aid kit, matches, paracord bracelet, glow sticks, and a few other items for $40.  Everyone was very friendly.  Will definitely attend again next year.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on October 21, 2013, 07:51:06 AM
Agreed.  It was a decent expo, and considering it was the first of its kind (I think?), pretty successful.

They are having another one in April. Martial Tactical Training of Michigan will be there then, too.

I got to meet one TSP'er, I believe it was MoonValleyPrepper. Glad to know you, sir!

Don

Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Moonvalleyprepper on October 21, 2013, 08:06:34 AM
I got to meet one TSP'er, I believe it was MoonValleyPrepper. Glad to know you, sir!

Don

Nice to meet you too. I agree it was pretty cool. Maybe next time we can do some sort of TSPer meet and greet, before during or after.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: daveinmichigan on October 21, 2013, 08:46:34 AM
Agreed.  It was a decent expo, and considering it was the first of its kind (I think?), pretty successful.

They are having another one in April. Martial Tactical Training of Michigan will be there then, too.

I got to meet one TSP'er, I believe it was MoonValleyPrepper. Glad to know you, sir!

Don

I should have paid more attention had a TSP indicator. I was one of the guys working the Appleseed booth. I was the one that came over and talked about Mark Scott.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on October 21, 2013, 08:57:04 AM
LOL!  Our booths spent the day next to each other and we didnt know it.

Nice to have met you, too, Dave!
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Moonvalleyprepper on October 21, 2013, 09:20:47 AM
haha I went right from the appleseed booth over to Don's.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: daveinmichigan on October 21, 2013, 09:55:55 AM
haha I went right from the appleseed booth over to Don's.

EPIC FAIL! I can't believe I forgot to check this page before the event! I get this weeks "Grasshopper" award for stupidity. We need to see if they will place our booths next to each other again and we can cross refer more.

We should work out a TSP "sign" to designate ourselves. Maybe an ant or some other small logo on the skirt of the table?
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Moonvalleyprepper on October 21, 2013, 10:41:10 AM
I don't know about grasshopper of the week. I was wishing I had a TSP shirt or something while driving there, next time.

A logo on the table would have been a dead give away  ;)

What side of the table where you on Dave? Looking at the table from the "guest" side.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Atlas on October 21, 2013, 10:46:27 AM
I didn't have as much of a chance to meet people as I would have liked, although I am fairly certain I spoke to several of you. 
I was the guy with the 6 week old child laying across his forearm.
I was grateful to let me wife chat with a few vendors and give her a chance to realize "prepper" does not equal crazy.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on October 21, 2013, 04:50:03 PM
Thanks for the welcome. So, I would like to get my CPL here in MI. Anyone know a good place to take a Pistol Safety Training Course. I live in Ann Arbor but could travel if necessary.

Thanks,

Jim

Jim, I just saw this. I am instructing this class on Oct 26 down in Britton MI. If you are still in the market, PM me.  Small class size, private range.

Don
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: daveinmichigan on October 22, 2013, 06:51:25 AM
I don't know about grasshopper of the week. I was wishing I had a TSP shirt or something while driving there, next time.

A logo on the table would have been a dead give away  ;)

What side of the table where you on Dave? Looking at the table from the "guest" side.

When I was at the table, I was usually on the left (from the attendees point of view). I was the 6' tall (fairly) lean, buzz cut guy wearing a green polo shirt. My inner ant got the best of me and I spent a fair amount of time visiting/learning from the other booths. It is kinda funny, Donaldj's booth is the one that I really wanted to spend Lorre time with, but it seemed like every time I was unoccupied, they were occupied. They were kind enough to let a couple of our instructors kids come over and pound on their Bob.

BTW: MY BIL recently got eggs from you for his family and LOVED them.

We are starting to get a excellent mix of knowledge, skills and talent in the TSP listeners here in the Mitten State. We should start sharing and learning from each other. I suspect it would be fun and hopefully we can find some other folks that would like to come out and play.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Moonvalleyprepper on October 22, 2013, 07:57:17 AM
When I was at the table, I was usually on the left (from the attendees point of view). I was the 6' tall (fairly) lean, buzz cut guy wearing a green polo shirt.

You're the one I talked to :) I had a green sweater on, short blond hair and glasses. You told me about the Fenton and Lapeer apple seeds, since I am in Clarkston.

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BTW: MY BIL recently got eggs from you for his family and LOVED them.

Eggs from me? Must have been Mark, I traded him some eggs, rabbit and quail for some pork. I actually just had some of the sausage for breakfast this morning, it was great!

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We are starting to get a excellent mix of knowledge, skills and talent in the TSP listeners here in the Mitten State. We should start sharing and learning from each other. I suspect it would be fun and hopefully we can find some other folks that would like to come out and play.

Hell yeah man! I'm in. Some sort of meet up, BBQ, range day, pup crawl would be awesome.

I've been joining and becoming more active in the local permaculture groups, Ann Arbor group; Oakland County group; MI permaculture convergence group (Howell). Lots of knowledgeable and skillful people, and a few left leaning nutters mixed in, but that's what makes it interesting.

Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on October 22, 2013, 10:26:59 AM
That sounds like a real possibility. In fact, I've taken Appleseed already. I need to get the coveted green patch still. My 70 year old .22 didnt hold up so well in the cold and rain when I was there (lots of jams).  =)
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: armymars on October 22, 2013, 11:25:28 AM
    I would love to take the Appleseed course, but I'm afraid that if I shoot sitting kneeling or prone you would have to have a engine puller to get me back up. I have Inclusion Body Myoisitis, or I.B.M. a form of M.D..
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on October 22, 2013, 01:35:10 PM
    I would love to take the Appleseed course, but I'm afraid that if I shoot sitting kneeling or prone you would have to have a engine puller to get me back up. I have Inclusion Body Myoisitis, or I.B.M. a form of M.D..

Your best bet is to talk with the Appleseed staff regarding your concerns. I'd bet they'd make accommodations. 

Don
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: tonya792001 on October 25, 2013, 08:32:39 AM
Redford, Michigan here, new to the forums, is there anyone else from nearby, or any shows like the self reliance expo out this way? I'm looking for ways to show hubby that I am not the only "crazy" out there. He just rolls his eyes at me and lets me be "crazy"  ;)
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on October 25, 2013, 09:07:44 AM
Hey Tonya!

I used to live in Southfield, and my wife lived in Redford.

Your best bet to show non-crazy is to turn off Doomsday Preppers and just start small. Go for a month of water and food reserve and the means to defend it. After that, start filling in other gaps that you see.

Redford will be challenging in terms of long term sustainability and security.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: tonya792001 on November 09, 2013, 07:37:46 AM
Thanks! I sometimes overlook the obvious, I will start working on my water stores!
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: daveinmichigan on November 09, 2013, 09:11:08 PM
I didn't have as much of a chance to meet people as I would have liked, although I am fairly certain I spoke to several of you. 
I was the guy with the 6 week old child laying across his forearm.
I was grateful to let me wife chat with a few vendors and give her a chance to realize "prepper" does not equal crazy.

I remember seeing your youngster. Any time I see ant families with kids, it warms my heart.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: SnoHam13 on November 20, 2013, 07:46:31 PM
any yooupers here

saying Hi and checking in from the north end of the Keweenaw

SnoHam13
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Moonvalleyprepper on November 21, 2013, 06:37:22 AM
any yooupers here

saying Hi and checking in from the north end of the Keweenaw

SnoHam13

Only in my heart, I lived in Houghton for 2 years and absolutely love the Keweenaw peninsula. I plan to retire as a Yooper :)
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on November 21, 2013, 07:11:03 AM
There are a few of us here that went to Tech, so while not a true Yooper, we are familiar with the area.

I do love it up there as well.

Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: SnoHam13 on November 21, 2013, 11:52:23 AM
ayup MTU

oldest went there and that is how we landed up here from Port Huron
worked for a few years till a injury stopped that nonsense
now retired and waiting for our first blast of snow Fri./Sat.
then Ice fishing
didn't bother with deer hunting,,the buggers headed for cedar bay the day before [the 14] due to weather coming in off the big lake [not suposta be shooting large bore any ways]

SnoHam13
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: MTUCache on November 22, 2013, 09:07:41 PM
*sigh*... yep, definitely some of us who left our hearts in Houghton.

It's probably the understatement of the century to say that I wish I had spent more time outdoors and exploring the Keweenaw while I was there. I spent five years there thinking I was doing better than the "lifers" who spent 7+, looking back on it they were the smart ones.  ;D
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Bob Spelled Backwards on November 23, 2013, 04:09:39 AM
I almost sunk our van one night during tip up town on Houghton Lake when I was a teenager, long story but thankful for the kind snowmobilers out there at the time to all pitch in.  We sold a lot of hot spiced cider from my Mom's concession trailer by  that cold windy lake. 
Nice area up there for sure.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: SnoHam13 on November 23, 2013, 08:48:55 AM
I almost sunk our van one night during tip up town on Houghton Lake when I was a teenager, long story but thankful for the kind snowmobilers out there at the time to all pitch in.  We sold a lot of hot spiced cider from my Mom's concession trailer by  that cold windy lake. 
Nice area up there for sure.


Ah Er Um Bob
check out zip code 49931
we are the ''other'' Houghton in The UP  :)

SnoHam13

http://www.pasty.com/snow/index.html
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: SnoHam13 on November 23, 2013, 09:00:52 AM
There are a few of us here that went to Tech, so while not a true Yooper, we are familiar with the area.

I do love it up there as well.

had an old timer here tell us ''being a Yooper is in your heart not were your born''
they will take ya in as family if you have it in your heart
a total different mind set from down state

SnoHam13
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Bob Spelled Backwards on November 25, 2013, 10:48:27 AM

Ah Er Um Bob
check out zip code 49931
we are the ''other'' Houghton in The UP  :)

SnoHam13

http://www.pasty.com/snow/index.html





Haha,  you're right,  I'm from SE Mich and assumed you were talking abut Houghton Lake area,
 Oh well maybe one day I'll get to venture out your way too.  :)
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: SnoHam13 on November 26, 2013, 02:58:23 PM




Haha,  you're right,  I'm from SE Mich and assumed you were talking abut Houghton Lake area,
 Oh well maybe one day I'll get to venture out your way too.  :)

hey no harm no foul
we use to live in port huron 5 years ago
cmon up and enjoy

SnoHam13

Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: cep89 on November 28, 2013, 07:11:49 AM
The website for michigan gun owners is not working for me. It is migunowners.org.  Does anyone know anything about this?  Did it get shut down?
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Coctailer on November 30, 2013, 05:18:42 PM
The website for michigan gun owners is not working for me. It is migunowners.org.  Does anyone know anything about this?  Did it get shut down?

It's back up now.
Title: I started a thread for the Great Lakes Preppers Expo on April 19, 2014.
Post by: daveinmichigan on January 06, 2014, 10:06:55 AM
We need to connect with each other at the even so we can put "faces to the forum".
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Big_Al on January 07, 2014, 10:17:19 AM
Hi fellow 'ganders.  Anyone in the KZoo area?  I live near there with the fam.  I've been posting to the forums and listening to the podcast for over a year now, and this has been refreshing.  I have completely shut off the national news and only go to www.mlive.com for the state news now.  We started small and have grown together as a family.  I have to admit my wife thought I was a little crazy, though.  I've scaled back on any crazy talk, and talk about snow storms and having food, kerosene heaters and fuel, and potable water. 

Tonya, I got my wife on board by buying food that we eat, such as peanut butter, only on sale.  Buying food such as Jiffy Peanut Butter on sale is an instant cost savings to the family.  Buying in bulk this way also lets you wait for the next sale of the item to buy more.  It's a decent cost savings, letting the family spend that 600-800 on other things. 
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on January 07, 2014, 10:32:51 AM
Hello Big Al!

Yeah, the crazy doom n gloom is what starts most people into prepping and unfortunately there's a lot of money to be made convincing people the world is ending tomorrow.

It's about adjusting a lifestyle, not depleting the 401k to buy thousands of MRE's and cartridges. Changes like that take time.

Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Big_Al on January 07, 2014, 01:46:24 PM
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Yeah, the crazy doom n gloom is what starts most people into prepping and unfortunately there's a lot of money to be made convincing people the world is ending tomorrow.


Yes it was an initial sort of "Oh, there is something seriously wrong with the way we are living, we have to do what the Doomsday Preppers are doing."  :P

I look back at that fantasy of waiting for a collapse and sometimes wonder what the hell I was thinking about.  I'm sure glad I have a patient wife, family, and friends.  Today we prep mostly to enjoy an immediate (food) or mid-term (tangible assets) goal.  We plan around a snowstorm (thank God we did) and have built out from that likely event.  I find that planning for a snowstorm, or a job loss, is a much more practical and real scenario.  The hoarding long term storage food is finished (I buy seeds and plant a garden every year instead).  My reaction to prepping has switched from hoarding stuff to developing the skills (networking, resume writing, making friends) to ensure survival.  The community thing is probably the number 2 most important skill to have, with actually having a set of personal skills number 1.  I've been to many collapsed countries and the people that do well are those that have the highest number of friends and connections.  The others are essentially walking zombies, barely surviving, and miserable.  Going forward these observations and maturity in prepping have sort of switched me to what is important.  The last thing is the sense of positive energy and thinking you get from preparing the family.  It is very assuring and positive to think I have taken active measures to ensure the family has what it needs daily, during snowstorms, etc...
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Cyd on March 15, 2014, 10:22:13 AM
I agree with skills being Prep #1 and community being Prep #2.  I'd like some suggestions on building community.  My husband and I don't have any children, our family is not nearby at all (and are not at all into prepping).  We are on good terms with two of our neighbors but one is seasonal (here in the summer only) and the other is a elderly couple who are also frequently traveling.  Then, the other neighbor:  he's paranoid and hostile (and I think he has both physical and mental illness), and has rejected any of our attempts to befriend him.

We are getting older (late 50s), have skills, and are really in need of building more community here in a rural area of northern Michigan.  Any suggestions?

Cyd
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Big_Al on March 15, 2014, 01:28:51 PM
Quote
We are getting older (late 50s), have skills, and are really in need of building more community here in a rural area of northern Michigan.  Any suggestions?

Cyd

Maybe organize a morel mushroom pick for May.  The first year just make the group small by only asking family and friends, then ask more the next year. 

My favorite activity is inviting friends over to grill.  It has been a while, once this weather breaks will start up doing again. 

See if any adult ed and rec activities are offered at the local school. Get enrolled in a skill such as baking, craft making, etc...

Start a card playing social, invite neighbors, play canassta. 
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on March 15, 2014, 03:27:15 PM
Hey all,

In case you haven't heard, the Great Lakes Emergency Preparedness Expo is returning to Birch Run on April 19.  http://www.greatlakespreppers.com/ (http://www.greatlakespreppers.com/)

Martial Tactical Training of Michigan will be there again, as will my small start-up company, Bu Tactical.
www.martialtacticaltrainingofmichigan.com
www.butactical.com

Come on out!

Don

Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: SnoHam13 on March 16, 2014, 07:44:17 PM
hiya Big Al and Cyd from the Keweenaw ;D

SnoHam13
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Big_Al on March 16, 2014, 08:02:26 PM
Hiya snowham.  We have a large metro population between us lol. 

Signed up to recieve notifications for the Expo. 
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: TonyPres12 on March 24, 2014, 02:51:03 PM
Hey everyone,

I've been listening to the podcast for a little while and just joined the forums.  I live Downriver and I am just getting into prepping.  I'm here to get to know other preppers in the area.  My current plan is to buy some land within a couple hours of my house to be my bug out location.  I just need to save up the money to do that.  I also want to meet other preppers in Michigan, because a lot of the reading I've done says that it is better to have a group where everyone can use their skills and work together instead of trying to do everything on your own.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: daveinmichigan on March 24, 2014, 05:27:41 PM
Hello TonyPres12,

I am originally from the Downriver area and still have family there. Where area are you looking for property?

There are several of us going to the Great Lakes Prepper Expo on April 19. If you plan on coming out, I'll we volunteering at the Project Appleseed booth and donaldj will be in the Martial Tactical Training of Michigan booth. There were also several other TSP Forum members in attendance too, but I'll let them soundoff if they are coming...
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: TonyPres12 on March 24, 2014, 05:52:31 PM
Right now I'm just working on saving up money.  I'm really open on where.  My finance isn't really onboard with prepping, so I told her that it would be a vacation spot to get away for a weekend here or there. I originally thought about going to the northern LP up near Clare or Grayling which is where my cousins have property.  My parents stay at a place in Grayling every summer.  So I know the area, my main concern is that it is a 3-4 hour trip depending on traffic and I don't want to get stuck in traffic in a SHTF scenario.  I have thought about instead of a bug out location just buying property in southern Wayne/Northern Monroe county where I could be outside the city but still close enough to get to and from work in 30 minutes.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: armymars on March 25, 2014, 07:19:23 AM
Check 5 mile road between Naper and US 23. Or you might try anywhere along Michigan Avn. (US12) West of Marshal.  73
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Big_Al on March 25, 2014, 11:06:33 AM
Is there a way for us to form like a partnership where we all pitch in?  We build it like a vacation spot, share the common areas, etc...?
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: SnoHam13 on March 27, 2014, 06:36:14 AM
Right now I'm just working on saving up money.  I'm really open on where.  My finance isn't really onboard with prepping, so I told her that it would be a vacation spot to get away for a weekend here or there. I originally thought about going to the northern LP up near Clare or Grayling which is where my cousins have property.  My parents stay at a place in Grayling every summer.  So I know the area, my main concern is that it is a 3-4 hour trip depending on traffic and I don't want to get stuck in traffic in a SHTF scenario.  I have thought about instead of a bug out location just buying property in southern Wayne/Northern Monroe county where I could be outside the city but still close enough to get to and from work in 30 minutes.

welcome to the forum Tony

if you plan on going north find a route around the pinch points [bay city/saginaw]
we moved from Port Huron to the Keweenaw for work and retired up here
and pinch points were an issue for heading north
maybe check out the thumb area,there is lots of deer there and the farming/gardening  will be easier

SnoHam13
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: TonyPres12 on March 27, 2014, 04:43:24 PM
welcome to the forum Tony

if you plan on going north find a route around the pinch points [bay city/saginaw]
we moved from Port Huron to the Keweenaw for work and retired up here
and pinch points were an issue for heading north
maybe check out the thumb area,there is lots of deer there and the farming/gardening  will be easier

SnoHam13


Thanks for the advice.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Moonvalleyprepper on March 28, 2014, 07:00:03 AM
Is there a way for us to form like a partnership where we all pitch in?  We build it like a vacation spot, share the common areas, etc...?

Perma Ethos - MI

I would definitely be interested in that.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Big_Al on March 28, 2014, 05:21:33 PM
Me too, we could all put up some change then buy a piece of land.  Would a LLC work for this, or how could we build this community/vacation spot in the middle of a big piece of land?
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: SnoHam13 on March 28, 2014, 09:13:24 PM
some were centrally located so several of you can get together with in 1 tank of fuel
is the key
preppers that think that they will get across the Mackinaw Bridge during an major event is just fooling them selves
most other pinch points you can get around

good land and water is the key too

were we are at we have built community with the neighbors [got a few stubborn ones]
so we will do just fine here in the Keweenaw   

SnoHam13
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: grizz2225 on April 07, 2014, 01:18:44 PM
Hey hey looks like I get to go to GLEPE this year. Who's all going? Anyone care to meet up?

Oops just found the dedicated thread.
Title: Michigan Right to Farm Act
Post by: Cyd on May 18, 2014, 06:11:47 AM
I am wondering what others think about the recent "clarifications" in the Right to Farm Act?  It seems like the primary clarification was that in unzoned areas you can still raise food for yourself without having to worry about any of the requirements, but as soon as you sell a single egg everything changes. 

I always thought that living in an unzoned area (like many areas of northern MI are) was a positive due to fewer regulations.  As I started looking into the issue more, I now understand that zoning (for land use purposes) and classification (for property tax purposes) are two different issues.  My acreage is mostly hardwoods but I have a house, outbuildings, a few cleared areas with an orchard and several gardens, and few animals.  I don't sell anything.  My property is classified as residential for tax purposes but it is unzoned. 

I have not yet made a list of pros and cons related to a request for reclassification and possible zoning as agriculture.  Has anyone else looked into this? 

Cyd from Northern Michigan
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: CharlesH on May 18, 2014, 06:27:28 AM
I've looked at it a bit, but not much.  On the one hand they are giving local governments more opportunity to determine what their communities look like. On the other, they are potentially giving localities another tool to restrict the way landowners use their land.  And in this case those restrictions can be used to restrict a person's ability to be more self-sufficient.
 
The Right to Farm Act was designed to prevent the tyranny of the majority when it comes to neighbors trying to control each other's use of property as it pertains to agriculture.  My interpretation of it was that it stood for any use of the land for producing food.  The GAAPs (generally acceptable agricultural practices, I think) were more than enough to protect a suburban home from waking to a 1000 hog CAFO next door.  These changes are much more potentially restrictive I think.  I don't like them.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: armymars on May 18, 2014, 07:33:29 AM
I wonder what will happen to the turky fram in Livonia on 5 Mile. There are houses which back up to it with only a creek in between them.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Cyd on May 18, 2014, 10:42:56 AM
According to the FAQs, the state of MI defines a "farm" under the Right to Farm Act as a farming business, not a farm in which you are simply growing your own food.  It seems like the original Act was passed to prevent re-zoning of a farm (so long as it is currently zoned as agriculture) if someone wanted to build a condo on an adjacent property and did not like it that the farm was there.  It also seems that the "clarification" affects only those whose property is zoned as something OTHER than agriculture. 

Here is the link:

http://www.michigan.gov/documents/mdard/Michigans_Right_to_Farm_Act_Frequently_Asked_Questions_-_May_6_2014_455493_7.pdf


So back to my original question:  Has anyone looked at pros/cons/process of having your land zoned as agriculture?  There are obvious tax avantages if it is classified as agricultural (no school taxes) but classification (tax category) and zoning (land use)are two different concepts as I mentioned in my previous post.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Doctorsurvivor on June 09, 2014, 05:48:02 PM
We should complain like hell to our local representatives. I have been bugging the crap out of mine. One seems to care and has listened to my concerns, the other couldn't be bothered and I was quickly punted off to the office manager who didn't have any thing significant to help. Make calls and send email. Maybe if they here enough voices, they will change the protections under the Right to Farm act so that it protects all of us.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: LongBeardedJohn on June 14, 2014, 07:24:32 PM
Hey guys, anyone else in Clinton County?
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: SnoHam13 on June 15, 2014, 07:07:55 AM
Hey guys, anyone else in Clinton County?

I am not but welcome to the forum from the Keweenaw [were we still have ice bergs in june] ;D

SnoHam13
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: LongBeardedJohn on June 15, 2014, 06:52:41 PM
Anyone on here in the Traverse City area?  I'm often up there visiting family and wouldn't mind grabbing a drink with any TSPers up while I'm visiting.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Cyd on August 22, 2014, 10:33:01 AM
My husband and I live about 30 miles from TC.  I drive to work in TC 4 days/week.

Cyd
Title: How to find a like-minded renter
Post by: Cyd on August 22, 2014, 10:43:56 AM
My husband and I are in the process of purchasing our neighbor's property up here in rural northern lower Michgan, which will result in owning a total of about 80 acres.  We will be looking for a renter for the extra house.  There are many possibilities that we would consider such as bartering work for rent, or sharing in any profit from future production on the land.  Does anyone have good ideas for finding a like-minded renter? 

Cyd
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Coctailer on August 22, 2014, 08:30:38 PM
Check on www.walkingtofreedom.com.

Maybe someone looking to relocate to MI.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on September 18, 2014, 11:04:59 AM
Hey all you Michiganders,

Sign up and attend this course:
http://thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/index.php?topic=51576.0

Because you know you want to.


ALSO, We'll be at the GLEPE on 04OCT2014. Look for the MTTM booth once again!

D
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: macwa on October 06, 2014, 04:53:27 PM
GT County.  Land of high prices.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: alpacamade on February 25, 2016, 02:42:23 PM
Is this R4 board abandoned? I was hoping there might be someone here to bounce
around intra - state relocation strategies with.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Makwaa on February 25, 2016, 05:38:27 PM
I was hoping to find people in western Michigan to talk with,  it appears everyone here has bugged out.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on February 25, 2016, 05:46:45 PM
yeah, sorry, i havent been active here in ages. what ideas do you have?

Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: alpacamade on February 29, 2016, 10:54:48 AM
I was hoping to find people in western Michigan to talk with,  it appears everyone here has bugged out.

I am a best coaster, however I am looking seriously looking at central lower.
I am interested in homesteading and defiantly cannot do that in the middle of the
tourist chain.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on February 29, 2016, 11:24:27 AM
For me, if job didn't matter, I'd probably move to the upper NE lower peninsula. Atlanta or Mio.

If I was looking at 'bug out' property, it'd probably be in the Dundee area, as I'm currently near Brighton and I could get to that sparsely populated area without going through the likes of Flint and Saginaw. Also, Michigan is known as the state where everyone bugs out 'up north'. I'd probably try to run contrary to that.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on February 29, 2016, 11:27:25 AM
FYI the Great Lakes Emergency Preparedness Expo is March 26 this year in Birch Run. I'll be manning the MTTM booth once again.  Hope to see y'all there.

Don

Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: alpacamade on February 29, 2016, 12:24:09 PM
Also, Michigan is known as the state where everyone bugs out 'up north'. I'd probably try to run contrary to that.
Yep if you're not a Yooper, it will be a fool's game to imagine getting there. Unless...
you are a sailor & can wait out any & all weather factors at sea, or lake as it were.
I like the central area for the rail - trail option. If I had to go downstate to rescue
an offspring, the rail - trails are an option.
Thanks for the FYI re: the expo. I was beginning to think our state was
asleep.

BTW, the TSP episode where Jack tried to pronounce Yooper had me shouting
and laughing at him at the same time.  /sigh...I feel another fit of giggles threatening /
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: donaldj on February 29, 2016, 12:48:05 PM
The state is mostly 'asleep' in the metro areas. People work hard in the auto industry between layoffs, and when they get cash they need to upgrade the 'sleds' and big screen TVs. People buy things and never train on their thing.

As for rural, MI has a LOT of that. I don't think rural people 'prepare' because to them it's their lifestyle, not a thing they do or are enthused about. There's a big difference between "I'm learning how to can foods so I can prep!" vs "I know how to can foods so I can eat this winter."


My takeaway was that MI is a very resilient state, with a lot of gun ownership. As long as you're about 25 miles from a ghetto center, the odds of bangers and whoever making it out that far are slim. The ones that live through pillaging the suburbs will be dangerous though.


The conventional thinking about Michigan is:

The Bridge will be closed. You cannot bug out to the UP.

Detroit, Pontiac, Saginaw, and Flint will likely be set aflame as the Entitlists cant get food stamps. If you 'bug out' on a highway, it'd better be fast, before the masses figure out help isn't coming. If these are on your way 'up north', then there's a good chance that 'up north' isnt right for you.

Be at least 50 miles from a population center if you plan to 'bug in'.

Know at least 3 routes (5 is better) to your 'bug out location'.

Escape to national and state forests is a dumb idea.

Deer will be hunted to near extinction. Quail and pheasant are smart things to learn to hunt.

The Detroit --> Chicago corridor continues to see population growth. Homesteading in that swath is not the best long term option. Though, this is happening slower than economists and demographic analysts predicted



Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: alpacamade on March 01, 2016, 03:39:51 PM
Every point you made I agree. I will have some state/county land near but
not adjacent. I have been looking at this particular, general area for five-ish
years. The key factor for me in this area is a sub-culture of the population
who have a legacy of living very differently than even the modern homesteader.
No worries about them objecting to livestock and they culturally are unconcerned
with the modern world. Couldn't ask for better neighbors.
Looks like Birch Run is a go for me.
8)
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Jimbo Cabin Dweller on August 11, 2017, 11:24:02 PM
 Jimbo checking in. I reside in Yooperland, in a rural part of Delta County.
Title: Re: Michigan
Post by: Coctailer on September 09, 2017, 10:53:04 AM
Jimbo checking in. I reside in Yooperland, in a rural part of Delta County.

Welcome!