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Re: The Cancel Culture
« Reply #60 on: June 23, 2020, 06:57:26 AM »
Left-Wing Shaun King: Tear Down ‘White Supremacy’ Statues of Jesus
Now here is another stupid suggestion that I don't find myself opposed to in principle. The story is at Breitbart and not really worth the read. But if the point is that Jesus wasn't a European, I agree. I think 1st century Christianity has been corrupted over the centuries in Europe. And the whole thing about statues of Jesus, Mary, are essential to idolatry; yes, there are those who pray to them and think they are holy. But the intent of this man isn't out of love for God but for hatred of a segment of mankind.

How long will statues of Republican Martin Luther King Jr. survive?

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Re: The Cancel Culture
« Reply #61 on: June 23, 2020, 07:06:45 AM »
Left-Wing Shaun King: Tear Down ‘White Supremacy’ Statues of Jesus
Now here is another stupid suggestion that I don't find myself opposed to in principle. The story is at Breitbart and not really worth the read. But if the point is that Jesus wasn't a European, I agree. I think 1st century Christianity has been corrupted over the centuries in Europe. And the whole thing about statues of Jesus, Mary, are essential to idolatry; yes, there are those who pray to them and think they are holy. But the intent of this man isn't out of love for God but for hatred of a segment of mankind.

How long will statues of Republican Martin Luther King Jr. survive?

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/bryan-preston/2020/06/22/video-young-venezuelan-woman-warns-america-where-destroying-statues-leads-n564632

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She points to several steps Venezuela went through on its way from being one of the most prosperous countries in the Americas to a socialist police state and economic disaster:

Statues came down because socialist dictator Hugo Chavez wanted the history erased.
He changed street names for the same reason.
He changed the educational curriculum to erase history and substitute his version.
Some movies were banned, presumably for the same reason.
We’ve seen all of these happen in America just in the past few weeks, with statue destruction happening in blue cities and states from coast to coast, as city leaders choose not to defend them. There’s a petition to change the name of Columbus, Ohio because it’s named after explorer Christopher Columbus.

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Re: The Cancel Culture
« Reply #62 on: June 23, 2020, 07:33:31 AM »
We can expect Seatle's mayor to do a quick about face now that businesses are fleeing.

Mayor has told protesters to move out.  Public community leaders are behind initiative.  Chazistanians are calling for her resignation and vowing to maintain the democratic people's republic of Chaz.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=4I_01uRxNMA

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Re: The Cancel Culture
« Reply #63 on: June 23, 2020, 08:08:31 AM »

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Re: The Cancel Culture
« Reply #64 on: June 23, 2020, 08:40:34 AM »
That looks to me like High Noon is coming to CHAZ/CHOP. That video was an edited version of this one: https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/seattle-mayor-to-make-city-budget-changes-for-black-communities-in-response-to-chop-protests/281-de995e1b-27fc-4089-bb9e-e68b389901a6

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No kidding.  So under the promise of raining taxpayer dollars on their organizations, the mayor has recruited a large group of "moderate" African American protesters to go in and push out the BLM and ANTIFA elements. Definitely did not see that coming.  I wonder how they will respond?

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Re: The Cancel Culture
« Reply #65 on: June 23, 2020, 08:56:09 AM »
Also note in these and other videos/photos how often the hammer & sickle or the clenched fist, all symbols of communism, are on display without any rebuke by the media or anyone. But do the "OK" hand gesture and you a racist white supremacist. On this website, https://www.adl.org/hate-symbols?page=0 symbols of hate are identified. I could not find the clenched fist or the hammer & sickle among them.

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« Reply #66 on: June 23, 2020, 10:36:14 AM »
Also note in these and other videos/photos how often the hammer & sickle or the clenched fist, all symbols of communism, are on display without any rebuke by the media or anyone.

Well BLM at its core is a Marxist communist organization.  They really don't care one bit about George Floyd.  To them he was a traitor because he was in security and preached peace, law, and order.  His nickname was "the gentle giant". He would protect people from violence, not encourage it.  BLM is just using his death to advance their communist agenda.

https://thefederalist.com/2016/09/28/black-lives-matter-bringing-back-traditional-marxism/
How Black Lives Matter Is Bringing Back Traditional Marxism
Marxist theory could be making a comeback. That means less trigger warnings and safe spaces, but more entrenched racial conflict.
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Re: The Cancel Culture
« Reply #67 on: June 23, 2020, 11:06:22 AM »
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Left-Wing Shaun King: Tear Down ‘White Supremacy’ Statues of Jesus
Now here is another stupid suggestion that I don't find myself opposed to in principle. The story is at Breitbart and not really worth the read. But if the point is that Jesus wasn't a European, I agree. I think 1st century Christianity has been corrupted over the centuries in Europe. And the whole thing about statues of Jesus, Mary, are essential to idolatry; yes, there are those who pray to them and think they are holy. But the intent of this man isn't out of love for God but for hatred of a segment of mankind.

 We don't know this actually. The house of David intermarried with various other tribes. David married Bathsheba who was a Hittite which seems to be from a Mediterranean group near modern day Turkey and is in the line of David which also included mohabites in the same ancestry. The middle east is a mix of different animals and plants from both north Africa and Europe. Various migrations also occur, for instance palestinians in Israel are a result of the Arab conquests in 1500 years ago. Today Israel is totally controlled by Ashkenazi jews from Europe who look very European. Some claim they are not really jews and many subscribe to that idea but that does not seem accurate either. I have seen a few claims about such things by various experts but I never found it particularly convincing and lacking in any in depth evidence

 There are blonde blue eyed people from Kashmir and parts of northern India. This is kind of like the thing that if you disagree or question it then you are racist but if you don't raise questions then people assume such things to be true

However, to remove statues of jesus because of such claims of white supremacy is just a thinly disguised means to attack the christian religion






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Re: The Cancel Culture
« Reply #68 on: June 23, 2020, 01:10:55 PM »
It doesn't really matter.  In America religious expressions are both privately owned and protected by the first amendment.  So nobody, whether a government representative or not, has the right to take down another person's religious statues or paintings.  That someone would suggest going around doing so is insane.

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Re: The Cancel Culture
« Reply #69 on: June 23, 2020, 02:00:02 PM »
Well we certainly have erected monuments to pagan gods like that big lady in New York Harbor or the blindfolded lady on every courthouse. Amazing how that never comes up.

I have some mixed feelings. If a monument was erected in the postbellum south as part of a nation healing and coming back together that's one thing. If people put up Confederate monuments as a legacy of the south during the time of desegregating schools I find little sympathy.

But I also empathize with men being products of their times. One need only read the Bible to see Noah was a drunk, Moses had some anger issues, David was a womanizer, and even Jesus took a whip to the moneychangers. I feel like we used to accept that judging historical figures with modern standards is a bit too much. For Pete's sake Obama ran against gay marriage and that was like 4 days ago historically speaking.

And to complicate it further I wouldn't want to walk past the statue of the guy who owned my great great grandparents.

It's a mess.

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Re: The Cancel Culture
« Reply #70 on: June 23, 2020, 02:11:59 PM »
BLM continues its attack on veteran memorials, this time going after the real anti-fascists.

https://www.wmbfnews.com/2020/06/21/world-war-ii-monument-defaced-with-paint-charlotte-cemetery/
World War II monument defaced with paint at Charlotte cemetery

I agree that quite a few BLM activists are explicitly communist, but where is the link between BLM and this particular series of incidents?  The painted slogans refer to Shining Path and revolutionary socialist prison riots and the Peruvian government's counterassault in 1986.  Sounds like a separate group of communists (or one disgruntled guy with a spraypaint can who vandalized three monuments).

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Re: The Cancel Culture
« Reply #71 on: June 23, 2020, 03:43:16 PM »
I agree that quite a few BLM activists are explicitly communist, but where is the link between BLM and this particular series of incidents? 

It was started by a local chapter of BLM and they are the ones doing the negotiating.  That is why the street mural and all signage has the BLM name/logo.



https://www.wsj.com/articles/seattle-protesters-negotiate-over-leaving-autonomous-zone-11591987159
Seattle Protesters Negotiate Over Leaving ‘Autonomous Zone’

Black Lives Matter protesters negotiated with local officials here Friday over their terms for leaving a six block area that they have controlled for most of the week without a police presence.

The occupation of what has become known as the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone, also known as ‘CHAZ,’ began when Mayor Jenny Durkan on Monday ordered police to abandon the East Precinct station, which had been the site of almost daily confrontations between officers and people protesting the killing of a black man, George Floyd


But the bigger question is: What is the link between BLM and justice for George Floyd?  The answer is "nothing".
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Re: The Cancel Culture
« Reply #72 on: June 23, 2020, 05:14:09 PM »

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Re: The Cancel Culture
« Reply #73 on: June 23, 2020, 09:57:17 PM »
Looks like the CHAZ coverage has been cancelled. 

https://www.foxnews.com/media/cnn-msnbc-primetime-ignore-seattles-plans-to-dismantle-chop-zone-after-shootings.amp
CNN, MSNBC primetime ignore Seattle’s plans to dismantle 'CHOP' zone after shootings

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Re: The Cancel Culture
« Reply #74 on: June 23, 2020, 10:34:51 PM »

They want to topple a Lincoln statue in DC on Thursday. I saw a bunch of angry people yelling and screaming in front of the statue.  I really don’t get it, how is that more significant than say Guantanamo, torture, fake WMD, Epstein or a zillion other things that seem much more significant. People must be being manipulated by soros

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Re: The Cancel Culture
« Reply #75 on: June 24, 2020, 06:17:22 AM »
They want to topple a Lincoln statue in DC on Thursday. I saw a bunch of angry people yelling and screaming in front of the statue.

That justi isn't any statue of Lincoln that BLM/ANTIFA has targeted for destruction, it is the Emancipation Memorial.  This is a monument paid for by donations from freed slaves to commemorate the end of slavery and honor Lincoln.  Their goal in tearing it down is to remove evidence that it was Republicans and third party groups which advocated for freedom while Democrats supported slavery   They are trying to coordinate an attack on it Thursday. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emancipation_Memorial

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Re: The Cancel Culture
« Reply #76 on: June 24, 2020, 06:48:12 AM »
Madison protesters tear down Capitol statues, attack state Senator from Milwaukee as fury erupts again
https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/2020/06/24/madison-protesters-pull-down-forward-hans-christian-heg-statues-attack-senator-sculptures-in-lake/3247948001/
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In Madison, statues of Wisconsin's motto "Forward" and of Col. Hans Christian Heg were dragged away from their spots guarding the statehouse. Heg was an anti-slavery activist who fought and died for the Union during the U.S. Civil War. His nearly 100-year-old sculpture was decapitated and thrown into a Madison lake by protesters.

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"This is absolutely despicable. I am saddened at the cowardice of Madison officials to deal with these thugs," Assembly Speaker Robin Vos, R-Rochester, tweeted as the statues were being torn down.

Vos also questioned why Gov. Tony Evers hadn't intervened in the destruction of the statues, given it took place on state Capitol property.

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Re: The Cancel Culture
« Reply #77 on: June 24, 2020, 07:05:18 AM »
Exempt & preserved:
After protests in Madison, the murals that followed will be saved as part of history

https://www.jsonline.com/picture-gallery/news/2020/06/18/storefront-murals-become-madison-city-history/3216700001/

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Re: The Cancel Culture
« Reply #78 on: June 24, 2020, 07:22:20 AM »
Their goal in tearing it down is to remove evidence that it was Republicans and third party groups which advocated for freedom while Democrats supported slavery   They are trying to coordinate an attack on it Thursday. 

I am beginning to believe this more and more.  It has nothing to do with the mindlessly easily offended.

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« Reply #79 on: June 24, 2020, 07:59:37 AM »
I am beginning to believe this more and more.  It has nothing to do with the mindlessly easily offended.

Frederick Douglas gave the dedication speech for the Emancipation Memorial (aka Freedmen’s Monument) i.  It is amazing.  It ends with:

Fellow-citizens, I end, as I began, with congratulations. We have done a good work for our race today. In doing honor to the memory of our friend and liberator, we have been doing highest honors to ourselves and those who come after us; we have been fastening ourselves to a name and fame imperishable and immortal; we have also been defending ourselves from a blighting scandal. When now it shall be said that the colored man is soulless, that he has no appreciation of benefits or benefactors; when the foul reproach of ingratitude is hurled at us, and it is attempted to scourge us beyond the range of human brotherhood, we may calmly point to the monument we have this day erected to the memory of Abraham Lincoln.

Oration in Memory of Abraham Lincoln
Frederick Douglass | April 14, 1876
Delivered at the Unveiling of The Freedmen’s Monument in Lincoln Park, Washington, D.C.

https://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/document/oration-in-memory-of-abraham-lincoln/


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Re: The Cancel Culture
« Reply #80 on: June 24, 2020, 12:11:51 PM »
Wow they really screwed the pooch going after Madison WI. You've all seen the capitol building in film because it's a scaled down likeness to the DC capitol but a fraction of the price to rent.

A lot of our Midwest states were accepted in the Union within the 20 year period before the Civil War and it was a galvanizing force for many. Whether in Madison or St. Paul or many others you will find the capitol festooned with the uniforms, rifles, and flags of the men who served at the darkest hour of American history. These feeble upstart states fielded armies that won the war and if I'm honest we're a little too eager to put our thumb in the eye of the south with our monuments that proudly depict that our farm boys can put a whoopin on anyone.

But Madison went one step further. The state of Wisconsin, my proud homeland, was not just a free state. The state itself nullified and banned by law the enforcement of the Fugitive Slave Act. By the law of the state of Wisconsin escaped slaves could not be captured and were left to live their lives peaceably. We did it before it was cool. As such the state developed a massive role in the Underground Railroad because it didn't have to be as underground.

So when I see idiot college kids destroying the monuments to the heroes who fought and bled the ground red in the name of ending slavery I am at a loss. I think of the Tom Woods quote that being anti-slavery in 2020 is kind of meaningless because we all are. Being anti-slavery in 1850 could get you killed. And I would question anyone who would dishonor those who risked life and limb because the moral crusade against slavery demanded it. There's a lot of nuance and we could have that conversation but there really were abolitionists.

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Re: The Cancel Culture
« Reply #81 on: June 24, 2020, 01:20:37 PM »
Wow they really screwed the pooch going after Madison WI. You've all seen the capitol building in film because it's a scaled down likeness to the DC capitol but a fraction of the price to rent.

No kidding.  8 BLM/ANTIFA activists beating the heck out of a Democrat Senator is a major escalation of the violence.  I have a feeling some democrats will start to wake up to fact that they have been empowering a terrorist group,

Also the NASCAR noose story that CNN and NPR pushed as a hate crime fact turned out to be another hoax.  It was the handle for the garage and had been that way for years. 


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Re: The Cancel Culture
« Reply #82 on: June 24, 2020, 06:26:38 PM »
Should also tell that Wisconsin was the first to ratify the 19th Amendment. Our history is protecting minority rights and preserving women's equality. Yeah, imagine that: one state that carried all that water. And those of us from there are damn proud of our heritage.

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« Reply #83 on: June 24, 2020, 10:07:01 PM »
Republican party was started in Wisconsin as an abolitionist movement.

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Re: The Cancel Culture
« Reply #84 on: June 25, 2020, 09:17:21 AM »
Hmmm...this might actaully work....

https://babylonbee.com/news/cities-successfully-preserving-existing-statues-by-re-naming-them-all-karl-marx
Cities Protecting Statues By Disguising Them As Karl Marx




Background:

https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/racist-statues-fall-everywhere-as-new-lenin-statue-rises-in-germany/
Racist statues fall everywhere as new Lenin statue rises in Germany

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/german-communist-party-erects-lenin-statue-despite-towns-outrage
German communist party erects Lenin statue despite town’s outrage
The municipal council tried in vain to prevent the cast-iron statue from being placed in a square in front of Germany’s tiny Marxist-Leninist Party (MPLD) headquarters.

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Re: The Cancel Culture
« Reply #85 on: June 26, 2020, 07:33:40 AM »
https://www.intellectualtakeout.org/rioters-vandalize-memorial-to-victims-of-communism/
Rioters Vandalize Memorial to Victims of Communism

A memorial to the more than 100 million people killed by communism was vandalized in the midst of the protests
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 Marion Smith, the executive director of the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation tweeted images of the vandalism Tuesday. Photos show “BLM” and what looks to be part of another word spray painted on the statue.

In interesting, if perhaps coincidental timing, this vandalism of a tribute to the dead occurs the same week as the anniversary of the Chinese Communist Party’s (CCP) brutal suppression of the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests, resulting in an estimated death toll of thousands of protesters as the full weight of China’s military descended upon its citizenry.

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Re: The Cancel Culture
« Reply #86 on: June 26, 2020, 11:41:52 AM »
On a related topic:  "1984" is free on Amazon Prime.

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« Reply #87 on: June 26, 2020, 12:01:36 PM »
Isn't it ironic that the motto "silence is violence" is only applicable in a campaign to intimidate forced pledges to a cause, but it is not applicable to their silencing and rewriting of history. As an example the following is a letter about a long-running dispute between historians and activist re-writing of history:
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Submitted to the Pioneer Press
Subject: Letter submission Minnesota's First National Historic Landmark Includes State's First Memorial to Murderers
 
MN Historical Society (MNHS) started construction on Fort Snelling’s revitalization project totaling more than $34 million.  The project includes a single memorial.  MNHS cleverly hid the memorial’s design and approval and obscured it from public view.

MNHS offers selective views of the project.  Lurking out of sight is the east corner where the memorial will worship two Dakota men, Shakopee and Medicine Bottle, known for their heinous killing of more than 25 European, Non-Dakota and biracial Americans during the Dakota’s efforts to rid Minnesota of non-Dakota people.

The Dakota’s attack on Minnesota was quashed in 1862.  When defeat was eminent, Shakopee, Medicine Bottle, and others fled Minnesota leaving over 650 dead.

The two evaded arrest until Canadians arranged for their extradition to Minnesota.  At trial, four Dakota people’s and a victim’s wife’s testimony included confessions from each man and gruesome mutilation details.  Both were found guilty and were hanged. 

MNHS does not reveal Shakopee and Medicine Bottle’s carnage, does not honor victims such as Philander Prescott, does not mention the soldiers who found mutilated bodies and survivors on Minnesota’s prairies.  The single memorial fixates on two self-confessed murderers.

No longer will MNHS acknowledge the physical, emotional, and generational scars left on Minnesota’s immigrant and pioneer families.  Minnesota tax dollars are being used to produce a memorial that approves of murder.  MNHS has used the State of Minnesota and its taxpayers.  The victims of the bloodiest six weeks in Minnesota History and their descendants have been victimized again.

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« Reply #88 on: June 26, 2020, 02:08:13 PM »
Does this play bad with the overwhelming majority? Like I'm down with not paying for a statue of Nathan Bedford Forrest but at some point we'll need to rename July and August? Those good for nothing Romans used slave labor to kill the guy I pray to.

I actually have a positive side to this. Bear in mind America (for all her faults) was borne out of people who saw the French Revolution, the German 30 Years' War, and the stifling of Polish, Italian, and Irish poor. They ran from the European "think right or die" and if you think I am overstating it ask a German Anabaptist or an Italian who lived through the street violence from their towers (Romeo and Juliet et al). It can't be overstated that we have the most amazing protection the world has ever seen. You can speak your mind even if you're wrong or crazy. Americans can literally hold a rally that the earth is a pea in the digestive tract of a brontosaurus and the only hope is to make a grain sacrifice to He-Man. Oh, and bring a rifle. I have a little hope that we all secretly harbor these freedoms.

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« Reply #89 on: June 26, 2020, 02:09:22 PM »
Silence is violence!   If you see something, say something.