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Episode-1150- Listener Calls for 6-14-13


The Survival Podcast
EPISODE:  1150
DATE:         June 14, 2013
TITLE:         Episode-1150- Listener Calls for 6-14-13

Today on The Survival Podcast I take your calls on silver, reserve fuel, safety, economic collapse, water springs, permaculture, toy guns, survival gardening and more.
Remember to be on a show like this one just pick up your phone and call866-65-THINK. The best way to improve your chances of being on the air is ask your question or make your point up front, then provide details.
Also please do your best to call from a quite area with a good connection and speak up so you can be well heard. I can’t put all calls on the air but I do my best to get most of them on.
Join Me Today As I Respond to Your Calls and Discuss…

* “Magic Words” for free silver, the scam and the truth
* What is the long term continuity of TSP plan, is there one, are you it
* Can you use Coleman fuel as gas, no, but there is a bigger lesson from Steve Harris on this
* Is your vehicle just waiting to kill you with a tire, I tell you why it might be
* Three theories about economic collapse from a listener and my thoughts on them
* Great uses for springs (water kind) from expert council member Paul Wheaton
* Is there a mason’s square on the back of the Sentinel Coin, no
* How lawn clippings can be one of the best or one of the worst of all compost ingredients
* If you put green matter into a wood core bed can it create gley, not likely
* Should children have and play with toy guns, HELL YES, here is why
* Do swales work in desert environments, yes they do
* Why sweet potatoes are a perfect survival garden plantResources for today’s show…

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* Walking To Freedom
* TSP Mint
* TSP Gear
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* Fortress Defense Consultants – (sponsor of the day)
* Stock Gumshoe Post on “Magic Silver Words”
* Greening the Desert
* Greening the Desert II
* Video – How to Make Sweet Potato SlipsRemember to comment, chime in and tell us your thoughts, this podcast is one man’s opinion, not a lecture or sermon. Also please enter our listener appreciation contest and help spread the word about our show. Also remember you can call in your questions and comments to 866-65-THINK (866-658-4465) and you might hear yourself on the air.

INTRO & CLOSING SONG:“Revolution is You” by Gregg Yows



Jack Spirko: Lets take another one.


Joe: Hello this is Joe in San Antonio. I believe this is a question for Steven Harris. Coleman sells clear fuel for stoves. It is sealed in a one gallon can. I believe you have to poke through metal to get through it. It seems like if it would run in a car well, it would be a good way to have spare fuel in the trunk in an enclosed vehicle. As opposed to a gas can in the back of the truck. The question is would that run well in a modern vehicle without causing any problems. I think that would be very useful prep to put in my wife's car. Not that she would like that. Or something that you could give to somebody else. It would be expensive but seems like it might be a good option. If that is not an option what can you do in an enclosed vehicle to keep the fuels from killing you. Thank you very much, love what you do. Listening since a long time. Bye.


Jack Spirko: Let's hear what Mr Harris has to say about that.


Steven Harris: Joe from San Antonio. Thank you for calling in. This is Steve Harris from the expert panel to answer your question. The Coleman fuel can... You know Joe I am sitting here in a hotel on the road right now. I got your question and go "Huh??" They put a metal seal in? I actually got up and went to the Walmart at 10 o'clock at night and found a Coleman fuel can and opened it up. There was no metal seal. I opened two of them just to make sure I wasn't crazy and there is no metal seal. What it is, is a darn good sealing can. To answer your question, under no circumstance and in no shape/fashion/way/form will Coleman fuel ever ever work in a modern vehicle. Or an old vehicle or any vehicle. Coleman fuel is 100% in-compatible with a gasoline motor vehicle, and diesel vehicle and natural gas vehicle and a propane vehicle. It is just completely incomparable with all vehicles. Am I making myself absolutely clear here. Now, it is a good container. Theoretically if you wanted to take a Coleman can and pour all of the fuel into a gas can, just to save it. Then put one gallon of gasoline into the Coleman can and screw it down really tight and put it into your vehicle, it seems like that would be a good one gallon can to which to do this. This this being said, remember. Those of you who don't know me, I was an automobile engineer. A development engineer for Chrysler Corporation for 10 years. I am very familiar with crash dynamics. Putting any type of metal container, I would almost say any gas container, in a vehicle in a regular basis is about as absolutely foolhardy as you could possibly get. You are asking for death. A good crash that is easily survivable if you are belted in is between 30 and 50 G's. 30 or 50 times the force of gravity. A server crashes get up to a 100 times  the force of gravity. This little metal trunk or anywhere with in your vehicle is going to find itself ripped apart, like an egg hitting a concrete wall. It is going to fill your vehicle with a 120 BTUs of a very volatile liquid. just looking for any ignition source, ie heavy crash dynamic and metal ripping, to light you up like a roman candle. I would tell you the following, "You do not run out of food. You do not run out water. You do not run out of gas." That is just it. You do not need to carry backup fuel because you are  not going to run out of fuel. This is not like, two is one and one is none. This is not like, this is my reserve parachute. This is where your reserve parachute will kill you. You have a primary chute that will always positively work every time. That is you don't run out of fuel. If you were bugging out or something, leaving your location, and you had to take along your fuel reserve with you. So you wouldn't die because of the zombie plague after you ran out of one tank of fuel. Then I would feel comfortable with you putting multiple 5 gallon cans or another form of cans of fuel in your car, vehicle car back seat trunk and everything else because you are leaving. The chances of you having accident are really pretty small. The chances of you having an accident with one gallon of fuel in your vehicle when you are driving it all the time is pretty darn high. I am sure Jack will have some really good comments on this and help fill in for you. Thank you very much for calling in. This is Steve Harris expert panel. For those of you who are new to the TSP. Who doesn't know who Steve Harris is, I am the energy guy. If you would like to hear some of my past show with Jack, you can hear them all and they are good one, at Thank you guys.


Jack Spirko: I agree mostly here. When I take trip to lets say San Antonio to El Paso. I always have reserve fuel on that trip. No so much for me, but if I see somebody on the side of I-10 and I am 100 miles from Fort Stockton, on that trip am 100 miles from the nearest gas because El Paso and San Antonio are further than that away from me. It doesn't matter what side of Fort Stockton I am on, that is the case. I have a 100 mile trip, 200 miles to come back and help somebody. When I take long trips I take backup fuel. I am big fan when you are carrying backup fuel of having proper containment for it. Something in the neighborhood like a NATO Jerry Can. I like that strapped down. Generally for those types of trips I am going to take something designed to do this, like a truck. Or if you are like my buddy Bryan who has a FJ Cruiser. He will probably be happy tonight when he comes over for scotch and a cigar to find out that I might be joining the FJ Cruiser club soon because I think the Dodge Ram is about at a point it is going to cost me more to keep it than it is to get rid of it. I am in the market for my first new vehicle since I bought the Jetta Diesel in 2006. It is probably time to go ahead get a new one, so I am looking at a FJ. He has this really cool roof rack that I will be looking at tonight. When he is on these long distance trips he will put five NATO cans up there. They are not going to go through his vehicle. They might go somewhere. I think there are proper ways to do this. I used to, and there are shows where I recommending this in the very beginning, carry gas with me at all times. I don't do it anymore. Carrying a gallon or two or five seems like it makes sense, except you have this thing called a fuel tank that is designed to carry fuel in. Would you buy a different car if there was one more gallon in it. The reason I have always been of the opinion to carry extra fuel is exactly for the assistance to fellow drivers. Then I realized something one day. Jack, unless you are traveling from San Antonio to El Paso, which I don't do very often, or on sum type of a long haul trip like that with large distances with no support, you don't really need that to be able to help somebody. Because all you have to carry is a suitable container to transport a gallon or two of fuel in. Just say, "Hang on, I'll hook you up." Maybe help the guy push his vehicle off the road. Run down the road. You are going to find a gas station just about anywhere, and go get him some gas. Then I am not hauling gas around. Then I can carry one container, because if there is a little bit of gas and the guy is in a diesel vice versa, a couple of drip drops or fumes are not going to matter. By carrying an empty container suitable for transportation, filling up, and including it to another vehicle thing. We can make sure we are able to assist by making sure we have some money at all times to be able to do that.. That was the primary reason I did it. I am not so sure that you can't come up with a way to safely hall things that won't turn into a projectiles. If we can hold a person in place I am sure that there is a way to do this. It is just that most vehicle are probably not setup for it. Steve certainly knows more about the construction of a modern automobile than I do. This is also why he doesn't advise you to build a battery backup system in a truck of your car. I do believe that if you take certain measure to properly bolt to a frame anything, if it doesn't stay put at that point it probably moot because  the accident would have ad to occur with such force that they were pealing you out of the car in pieces anyways. I am not saying that if you just toss it in the back or you a cheap strap that is attached to, I don't know, the thin piece of metal that is under the bottom of the truck. I am not saying that that is not going to come out of there. Look at a spare tire. The way that a spare tire... you know this is a little safety lesson here for you folks. I can't tell you how many times I have had some open a truck and we are doing something in there car, and I look at there spare tire. It is just sitting in there and it is not attached. I ask them why and they say, "Well you know I had to use it the other day. I got my tire fixed and I just throw it back in there because I don't care." There is a reason why your car came with your spare tire down in a well with a little thing on it screwing it holding it in or up against the side of the truck with some type of apparatus holding it still. It is exactly what Steve said, because if you hit something doing 60 or 70 miles per hour you could very likely survive the crash but you might not survive the tire flying through the air and hitting you in the back head and driving your face out the window. Where you and your head... Where you body stays in your seat and your head is gone. It is important that you think about anything with any significant amount of wait in the back of a car and how it is secured. That backs passenger seat is a very very false sense of security protecting you from what might come out of the back of that. For instance, when I was a kid I was car wreck. A friend borrowed his mom's car. That is what he told us. He actually stole his mother’s car. We were out joyriding. I soon wanted out the the vehicle, but it was not possible. He went over a hill that we all used to drive over a little bit too fast, where you could catch a little air with the front of the car. But he thought it would be fun to do it in the other lane. We came down in front of another vehicle. He swerved, we hit, we went upside down, and slide about 200 feet on the roof. I ended up using a coat over my head,smashing a window out with my head to get out of the car, and dragging everyone else out of the car. Nobody was seriously injured, but one of our buddies had a pretty big lump on his head from a bowling ball that was in the back of the Ford Escort station wagon that came up and hit him in the head. Fortunately for us that was not a collision, it was a roll over. Had we actually hit those other people, in addition to possibly killing them because my friend who is no longer my friend was a freaking idiot. That bowling ball would have type, would have turned into flames... It would have become the type of projectile Steve was talking about. There is a safety lesson there as well with heavy implements in our vehicles. There is also a safety lesson this. I have also seen people who have changed there battery. The little strap down thing is a pain in the ass. It is hard to get back. They realize their battery just sits there. It is heavy. It is not going anywhere. It doesn't mean it is not going anywhere in a crash. In this case it might go forward out of your vehicle. It is not as likely but it could happen. There is that big firewall between you and there. It is not as big as risk but it is not a good idea to have your battery strapped down either. Lets take another call.



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