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surfivor:
I generally am more
Of a fan of moderate exercise, apparently yogananda said that a lot of heavy strenuous exercise is detrimental to a life of meditation. The heaviest workout I may get can be from surfing. Probably there is a point where heavy exercise may wear out the body faster. Even though you are gaining strength I would think longevity may decrease

If I ride a bike I may peddle fast for a couple minutes and then ride slow for a while and then fast again. This raises the heart rate but then goes back down for a more restful moderate period

Redman:
Most strenuous exercise I get any more is mowing the yard and that's a killer.  :rofl: Both shoulders shot from years of heavy work. Back in bad shape, do stretching for that.

David in MN:
I don't brag about it much but in my 20s I dislocated my left shoulder while military pressing 225 lbs. I was at the time  training with guys who later played in the NFL. Rehab took 2 years and I'm still a shadow.

I have never gone back to heavy lifting. Don't get me wrong, I can goblet squat half my body weight for 20 reps. I barbell curl 115 lbs every week for 12. I'm not weak, I just can't do the heavy power high weight stuff anymore. I'm happy to get stronger using the lower weight with slow reps and progressive failure.

It's a process of being more careful. I have tennis elbow in both elbows. I have diminished mobility in my left shoulder. I have knee and ankle problems from years of running track.

I've let down 23 year old David who wanted to be the next Magnus von Magnusson but it kinda worked out in the end. I do these kind of workouts to keep being the strongest guy on the block even if I can't load up a deadlift like when I was younger. For now it seems to be working.

CarbideAndIron:
The best thing for messed up joints, is strong muscles to protect them. Obviously that means rehabbing it, then building strength around it in a way that is safe. But I have herniated my L4/L5, tore my right rotator cuff (labrum), and right hammy. Just had to be smarter about the ways I have built back up. Now the only time my back bothers me, is when I take off a week from lifting.
Funny thing is, none of those injuries came from heavy barbells, they were all from outside the weight room stupidity. 600+lb tire flip cold (and drunk), grappling, hill sprints (cold). Hopefully now that I learned to warm up, and don't drink, I'll keep my healthy streak going a while.
I'm not saying that we all need to pull over 800 like young David did, but I am saying that strength training is a fantastic way to be healthy.

The Professor:
As a person who was a power lifter for over 20 years, I can say that I'm personally against anything "high intensity" with heavy weights.

This will probably be a very unpopular statement, but as one who suffers from having participated in every fad imaginable when it came to weights (with the notable exception of Crossfit, for which I was too sensible to fall), I have also suffered (and continue to suffer) the results of those fads.

First off, stop working out emotionally.  No, I don't mean stop screaming or "getting mad" when you work out, I mean stop evaluating your workouts based on how you feel.  I have seen people go back and do extra sets or even entire workouts because they didn't think they'd worked out hard enough.

Here's a deep, dark Secret that most people simply refuse to accept: If you work out, even slightly, you will see improvements.  As long as you try to progress,   your body will do so (unless there's something physically wrong with you).

For example: I would work out the typical 4-zones in a standard way: Monday would be Back and Biceps; Tuesday would be Chest and Triceps; Wednesday I would take off; Thursday would be legs; Friday would be Shoulders, Forearms and Traps; I would then take Saturday and Sunday off and do the same workout the next week.  Oh, sure, I'd change up the lifts and intensity, but I would make sure that I was in the gym working out the appropriate zone on the assigned day.

If I was sore, I still worked out.  on high-intensity weeks, I'd throw myself into the workouts doing whatever I had to do to complete the goals.

Today, my joints, tendons and ligaments are much the worse for wear.  Yes, I gained size.  Yes, I gained massive strength.  For the longest time, I had a limited range of motion, but I fixed that in the five years before I quit by having a mobility coach in addition to my strength and conditioning coach.

But here's the deal:  I noticed something interesting.   During the latter part of that twenty years, I did a lot of coaching for amateur sports teams.  Most of these teams were for recreational sports where the participants seldom practiced more than 2 or 3 times a week, if that. 

I noticed that the players who weren't as "committed" to working out still improved.  Eventually, due to the nature of the sports, I noticed that the ones who stuck to it would seem to plateau, physically, at about the same levels. . .just a different times.  Where the "hard core" players might do it in two or three months, the others would catch up in 6-8.  Everyone would seem to remain there and continue to slowly improve as long as they continued to play.  Once the season was over, they all would soon return to Square One at almost the same levels.

I submit that going slower, maintaining a continued and controlled progression, without the high-intensity slamming and forced exhaustion of muscles and other body parts will still get you the results you want, just at a slower rate than you may wish.

I am just now getting back into training following a multi-year forced hiatus stemming from injuries and family situations, and I promise you, It's going to be a much slower and gentler lifting routine than I did all those years.  My joints simply can't take that much strain or stress, anymore.

The Professor

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