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Re: CA Governor signs gun control bills into law
« Reply #150 on: April 07, 2019, 11:30:37 AM »
AR15s are easier to think about.  AFAIK you can own a stripped lower receiver in CA.  Also, with a few exceptions, individual pieces are not banned, rather their integration into a firearm could be.  So if I still lived in CA, I might be inclined to buy a few lower parts kits, receivers (stripped) and enough other "featureless" parts.  I feel it's a good hedge, and both keeps you out of legal trouble today and you're good to go should laws change in your favor, or rule of law ceases, and you decide it's "cowabunga time".


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Re: CA Governor signs gun control bills into law
« Reply #151 on: April 07, 2019, 01:56:20 PM »
no idea what he means, the distinction between a "featureless" rifle and a CA " compliant rifle"  SO he uses 3 terms, 2 of which I believe I know what they are, "CA compliant" and a " CA registered assault rifle"  no idea what "featureless" is.   I don't have any of those categories of course, but for others who may.....

A featureless AR is what is being legally sold with the pistol grip disabled since this new legislation went into effect. A compliant rifle is a Mini-14, M1A, Keltec SU or RDB-C, anything without a pistol grip. I believe fixed mag ARs are also considered compliant, rather than featureless. Registered are either the real deal ARs grandfathered from before the AWB or Bullet Button rifles that weren’t converted to featureless when the new legislation went into effect.


AR15s are easier to think about.  AFAIK you can own a stripped lower receiver in CA.  Also, with a few exceptions, individual pieces are not banned, rather their integration into a firearm could be.  So if I still lived in CA, I might be inclined to buy a few lower parts kits, receivers (stripped) and enough other "featureless" parts.  I feel it's a good hedge, and both keeps you out of legal trouble today and you're good to go should laws change in your favor, or rule of law ceases, and you decide it's "cowabunga time".

That’s certainly a valid option for those who are mechanically inclined.

For anyone else, pay attention to the method used to disable the pistol grip on your featureless rifle before you get it.  Some are as easy to remove as drilling out two rivets and popping off a kydex paddle, come cowabunga time.


Regardless of what type of rifle you insert your 30-rd pmags into, think carefully about revealing that you possess them. The one you possessed prior to last week can technically be treated very differently from a legal standpoint than the ones that arrived Friday. Your actions and words are what differentiates between the two, and where you live makes a huge difference. LA and SF will be harsher than San Bernardino.

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Re: CA Governor signs gun control bills into law
« Reply #152 on: April 07, 2019, 05:36:01 PM »
Seems like this link has the descriptions.  And, all of this is in reference to the "scary Black" AR type rifles.

Featureless is what people are buying in CA,  no thumbhole stock, no pistol grip, etc......  so what you can legally buy in CA right now, "scary Black" rifle types and any other legal semi-auto's with detachable magazines like a ruger 10-22 or a mini-14

compliant is a rifle with at least one of those features, BUT a fixed magazine

Registered assault rifles have "features" and a detachable magazine and that window is closed, either they are already on the registered list, or they are not legal

SO, in the You Tube clip he is saying you can put your standard magazines on a Featureless, but not on a compliant ( as those still may not have a detachable magazine at all) or on the regisered assault weapons, as those also must stick to the way they were made and registered. 

https://caligunner.com/california-compliant-featureless-rifle/

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A Featureless Rifle is the term used to describe a semi-automatic rifle that does not have any of the following:

    A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon
    A thumbhole stock
    A folding or telescoping stock
    A grenade launcher or flare launcher
    A flash suppressor
    A forward pistol grip

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So even if you have JUST ONE of these features on your semi-automatic centerfire rifle you own what California considers to be an “assault weapon” unless your magazine is fixed.

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Is Going Featureless the Only Way to Be Compliant?

No! There is another option that allows you to keep your features (pistol grip, folding/telescoping stock, forward grip and flash suppressor) while still being completely legal. This is the fixed or magazine lock option.
Fixed or Locked Magazine Option

This option allows the use of features on your AR-15 by fixing or locking the 10 round magazine in your rifle while the lower is attached to the upper receiver. This is often done with a device like the Juggernaut Tactical Hellfighter Kit available at Brownells. With a device like this you can use all the “evil features” described at the beginning of the article and still be legal. This is a great option for those that can’t get over the looks of a featureless rifle.

There are pictures and much other useful information in that article, options, suggestions, etc....

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Re: CA Governor signs gun control bills into law
« Reply #153 on: April 07, 2019, 07:38:21 PM »
Seems like this link has the descriptions.  And, all of this is in reference to the "scary Black" AR type rifles.

Featureless is what people are buying in CA,  no thumbhole stock, no pistol grip, etc......  so what you can legally buy in CA right now, "scary Black" rifle types and any other legal semi-auto's with detachable magazines like a ruger 10-22 or a mini-14

compliant is a rifle with at least one of those features, BUT a fixed magazine

Registered assault rifles have "features" and a detachable magazine and that window is closed, either they are already on the registered list, or they are not legal

SO, in the You Tube clip he is saying you can put your standard magazines on a Featureless, but not on a compliant ( as those still may not have a detachable magazine at all) or on the regisered assault weapons, as those also must stick to the way they were made and registered. 

https://caligunner.com/california-compliant-featureless-rifle/

There are pictures and much other useful information in that article, options, suggestions, etc....

Yeah, you're right.  My compliant rifle definition was wrong.

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Re: CA Governor signs gun control bills into law
« Reply #154 on: April 11, 2019, 11:45:03 AM »
Just got this email from Brownell’s.

Midway, on the other hand, sent me an email 2 days ago saying they cancelled my order !  I will call them to verify why, but we know why

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Re: CA Governor signs gun control bills into law
« Reply #155 on: April 15, 2019, 02:37:15 AM »
The order I placed last night at E. Arthur Browne was shipped out this morning, so I think I'm good.  They charged 2-3x what the other guys do to overnight, so it's going to be a week.

It took an extra day to get the 10/22 mags from this seller, but as of this weekend everything has arrived.


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Re: CA Governor signs gun control bills into law
« Reply #157 on: April 15, 2019, 02:17:53 PM »

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Re: CA Governor signs gun control bills into law
« Reply #158 on: April 25, 2020, 10:16:34 AM »
Judge says CA ammo purchasing law is not legal, signs an injunction against it. 

FOr the moment you can buy ammo legally in CA without a background check, so that means mail order is good to go also.

DO not delay if you need ammo, as CA is of course, asking to set aside the injunction while they appeal

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Re: CA Governor signs gun control bills into law
« Reply #159 on: April 25, 2020, 11:18:04 AM »
well that was quick

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Late Friday night (9:46pm), the following order came out from the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, granting a temporary stay on the injunction issued on Thursday, April 24, in the NRA funded case of Rhode v. Becerra. This means that the same restrictions that have been previously in effect regarding ammunition in California are back for the time being, pending further order from the court.

Timeline:

April 23 – 9th Circuit District Court grants preliminary injunction, suspending ammunition restrictions.

April 24 – Friday morning, California Attorney General (state) seeks stay on the injunction order, requesting a decision by 3pm Friday.

April 24 – Friday afternoon, 9th Circuit District Court denies the state’s motion for stay on the preliminary injunction.

April 24 – Friday afternoon, state files notice of interlocutory appeal

April 24 – Friday evening, the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals grants the state’s emergency motion for a stay, pending further court order.

 

United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit Notice of Docket Activity

The following transaction was entered on 04/24/2020 at 9:46:59 PM PDT and filed on 04/24/2020

Case Name:
   

Kim Rhode, et al v. Xavier Becerra

Case Number: 
   

20-55437

Document(s):
   

Document(s)

Docket Text:

Filed order (MARY H. MURGUIA and MARK J. BENNETT): The court has received appellant’s emergency motion for a stay. The request for an immediate administrative stay is granted. The district court’s April 23, 2020 preliminary injunction order is temporarily stayed pending further court order. The court will address the emergency stay motion by separate order. [11671654] (AF)

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Re: CA Governor signs gun control bills into law
« Reply #160 on: August 14, 2020, 12:07:27 PM »
The CA Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit overturned the ban on Large Capacity Magazines.  :beer:

"The panel affirmed the district court’s summary judgment in favor of plaintiffs challenging California Government Code § 31310, which bans possession of large capacity magazines (“LCMs”) that hold more than ten rounds of ammunition; and held that the ban violated the Second Amendment."

https://michellawyers.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/2020-08-14-Opinion.pdf

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Re: CA Governor signs gun control bills into law
« Reply #161 on: August 14, 2020, 12:49:27 PM »
The CA Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit overturned the ban on Large Capacity Magazines.  :beer:

"The panel affirmed the district court’s summary judgment in favor of plaintiffs challenging California Government Code § 31310, which bans possession of large capacity magazines (“LCMs”) that hold more than ten rounds of ammunition; and held that the ban violated the Second Amendment."

https://michellawyers.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/2020-08-14-Opinion.pdf

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Great News !  One down !  Now lets hope they get to the ammo buying ban soon -- it was also truck down a few months ago, but then is being appealed !