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surfivor:
This was on the radio, if they think you have been exposed to the virus they are going to call your phone. If you ignore the calls, they will eventually come to your house. I don't trust the testing process to begin with and I don't really like the sound of this whole thing. I'm sure plenty of other people will feel the same way.

  I recall how test kits at one time where contaminated with the virus by the CDC. I am sure no one was ever fired. They will never fire any one no matter how bad the apparent screw up. Many such usual things do not inspire confidence and only increase doubts and suspicions

https://www.wbur.org/commonhealth/2020/04/18/contact-tracing-massachusetts-covid19-coronavirus?fbclid=IwAR0RVC0Ir5CSXYjnlWIQKog9tOkeyFYbza5joGr5DRvrag85tXWIaNJ-TRc

Privacy concerns and lack of privacy protections mentioned in this article

https://www.theverge.com/2020/5/1/21243977/gop-senators-contact-tracing-data-coronavirus-covid-19-privacy?fbclid=IwAR36T_Nvt0dl7mBkebCTsb1A3aaNdM84jDLXnRs9ibnPWNaHEPCNsYtGdE0

Chemsoldier:
Contact tracing works.

In my unit we have used it very successfully.  We managed to sequester off people before they became symptomatic through phone call contact tracing.  They would have been walking around the unit area for days before we knew, if we would ever know.

I have a lot of concerns on the use of cell phone data for contact tracking, but the old fashioned interviewing and calling method is something that could really help, if we want to get back to something approximating normal.

Is there risk to freedoms in it?  Sure.  But that risk is always there.
Something analogous might be police surveillance.  Things left in plain sight from someone who is legally able to be there is fair game.  So a police detective can sit in a car on the street and observe without a warrant.  He needs warrant to wiretap.  A police aircraft can use public airspace that is available to a private pilot to fly overhead and look in your back yard under the same laws.  There is concern about that ability, but it is partially mitigated by the by-hour cost to run a police helicopter.  That is one reason why there are such concerns about drones.  They drastically reduce the cost to look in someone's backyard.  But then again, I can buy a cheap drone as a civilian as well.

So I see "manual" contact tracing as the police helicopter.  It is concerning, but it is a useful tool in an abnormal situation. 

While it can absolutely be misused, it is not as prone to abuse as contract tracing apps where someone can get a hold of massive amounts of data about who is close to who and where they are.

Mr. Bill:
One thing to watch out for: fake text messages saying that you have been exposed.  The fake link will take you to an evil website (phishing, malware, or some other scam).  This is fairly widespread.

surfivor:
 maybe contact testing works for the military, but I never signed up for the military and I decided in high school that boot camp wasn't for me based on the behavior of our football coach. I think I heard that constitutional protections don't apply within the military either

they actually numbered this bill 6666 ..

https://thedailycoin.org/2020/05/07/house-proposes-hr-6666-and-its-tyranny-being-unveiled-before-americas-sleeping-eyes/

If this bill passes the government will have authority to come IN YOUR HOME and test you. Among other things.”

https://www.change.org/p/rand-paul-stop-h-r-6666-from-being-passed-and-immediately-remove-all-supporting-parties-from-office-f67c86c8-0791-40a4-8447-6c63c4f27ccb?source_location=topic_page

H.R. 6666 is designed to allow big Government into your house and into your personal, and your families Health matters.

H.R. 6666 Grant's rights and control to the Government that takes the rights of personal care and health decisions away from parents and families.

mountainmoma:

--- Quote from: surfivor on May 09, 2020, 06:44:31 PM --- maybe contact testing works for the military, but I never signed up for the military and I decided in high school that boot camp wasn't for me based on the behavior of our football coach. I think I heard that constitutional protections don't apply within the military either

they actually numbered this bill 6666 ..

https://thedailycoin.org/2020/05/07/house-proposes-hr-6666-and-its-tyranny-being-unveiled-before-americas-sleeping-eyes/

If this bill passes the government will have authority to come IN YOUR HOME and test you. Among other things.”

https://www.change.org/p/rand-paul-stop-h-r-6666-from-being-passed-and-immediately-remove-all-supporting-parties-from-office-f67c86c8-0791-40a4-8447-6c63c4f27ccb?source_location=topic_page

H.R. 6666 is designed to allow big Government into your house and into your personal, and your families Health matters.

H.R. 6666 Grant's rights and control to the Government that takes the rights of personal care and health decisions away from parents and families.

--- End quote ---

When I went to the .gov site and looked at the text of the bill, it is only to give grant money for things like testing, etc.... it does not specify anything about how.  Not saying the states are not going to go crazy, or that fed should be paying this, just that the actual bill is just a funding bill

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