effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric

[Carver]

Predictable effects of the protest/riots/anti-police rhetoric are here:https://www.foxnews.com/us/black-lives-matter-protesters-seattle-chaz-hijacked-message
https://www.foxnews.com/us/10-florida-swat-officers-quit-unit-over-political-climate-report

Tulsa police major warns of coming law enforcement exodus: 'Every officer you talk to is looking to leave'
https://www.foxnews.com/media/tulsa-police-travis-yates-law-enforcement-exodus

Police in Miami fight back:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1271456187645661184

[iam4liberty]

John Cleese just tweeted out this video saying it was hard to tell if he recorded it 30 years ago or 10 minutes ago

https://youtu.be/HLNhPMQnWu4

Now BLM and ANTIFA is trying to get him cancelled on social media for hate speech. No moderate voices are to be allowed.  They can riot and loot, but noone else can even discuss issues. 

This is massively multiplied on the police who, starting late last year, aren't even allowed to report to public what is happening.  This authoritarians on both right and left are pushing this silencing   Example:

https://www.cbs7.com/content/news/Holiday-week-full-of-unbelievable-violence-in-Odessa-City---565757981.html
Holiday week full of "unbelievable" violent crime in Odessa; City withholding important information on cases from public

Odessa Police Department Chief Michael Gerke said the number of violent crimes throughout the Permian Basin is concerning, while Ector County Sheriff Mike Griffis said it’s “unbelievable” what is happening.

What should also be of concern to all Odessans is not just the rise in violent crime but also what appears to be City of Odessa officials stalling on releasing important information about all crime. The city recently made changes to the way information on crime is released — changes that FOI state officials say violate the public information act and that one official called “inexcusable.”
..
“Clearly Odessans want to know about the crimes going on in this city and their neighborhoods,” Dennis said. “It’s not just about the media. This is about basic information about crime going on here and the city using our own tax dollars to fund fighting the release of information that is clearly public.”

[Carver]

Time for a new topic in general news: "The Cancel Culture"

[iam4liberty]

Just a "summer of love" in the CHAZ.

https://nypost.com/2020/06/16/cops-refused-to-respond-to-shop-under-attack-near-seattle-chaz-report/amp/
Cops allegedly refused to respond to shop under attack near Seattle CHAZ

An auto-shop owner on the edge of Seattle’s cop-free CHAZ  says police refused to help as an angry mob stormed his property — forcing his son to pull a gun to protect them, according to video and reports.
...
a protester Sunday night who stole cash and set a fire in his
...
His son, Mason McDermott, helped tackle the suspect who “tried to cut me with a box cutter,” he told the station, showing large slits in his jeans close to his crotch.

Other protesters soon arrived — and video on social media shows the mob eventually knocking over a section of fencing, running in to confront the owners
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his son pulled a firearm to protect themselves from the mob, some of whom were also armed, they said.

“He’s just trying to protect his business,” a local reporter said in a livestreamed video as he noted the gun during the attack. No shots appeared to have been fired.

Mason said the near-disaster was proof that the “mayor and governor need to get their act together” over the area.

[Mr. Bill]

Photos/videos tend to lend more credibility.

AP. 6/14/20: Fox News Removes Digitally Altered, Misleading Photos of Seattle 'Autonomous Zone' From Website

...Fox News’ website featured at least two photos on Friday that inserted an image of a man standing with a military-style rifle, and that there were no disclaimers on how they were manipulated when featured on the network’s website for most of the day Friday.

The image of the gunman is from a Getty Images photo that was taken on June 10 at what is known as the “Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone” protest area. The original photo showed an unidentified man wearing a green mask who was carrying a weapon while standing in front of a car.

The Seattle Times said Fox’s website used that gunman image for the network’s coverage of the protest zone, but the image was included in a mashup of other photos from May 30 that depicted smashed windows in downtown Seattle — before the protest zone was set up and in a different neighborhood. ...

...Fox’s package of stories on Seattle’s protest zone included a May 30 photo taken by an Associated Press photographer depicting a burning building and car that was in St. Paul, Minnesota. Fox has also since removed that image. ...

[Mr. Bill]

This article is about how he was making alot of critical posts on social media about law enforcement

https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/Suspected-killer-of-Santa-Cruz-sheriff-s-deputy-15325771.php#photo-19518202


and details about the citizens role in his arrest ...

Mercury News, 6/16/20: Authorities charge alleged Santa Cruz deputy killer with assassinating federal cop in Oakland, link attacks to Boogaloo movement

Steven Carrillo, the U.S. Air Force sergeant who allegedly murdered a Santa Cruz deputy earlier this month, has been charged with a second deadly ambush of federal officers a week earlier — alongside a second man who allegedly drove the drive-by shooting van — in attacks that authorities say were driven by Carrillo’s extremist, anti-law enforcement views and ties to a movement that believes a second American Civil War is coming soon.

Prosecutors with the Northern District U.S. Attorney’s office announced the charges Tuesday at the Ronald V. Dellums Federal Building, just yards away from where Carrillo is accused of assassinating Federal Protective Services Officer Patrick David Underwood and injuring his partner on the night of May 29, after firing on them from a white van, in what authorities described as “an ambush.” ...

In announcing the charges, authorities alleged that both Carrillo and Justus had ties to the extremist anti-government “Boogaloo” movement, whose self-described libertarian, tropical-shirt-wearing adherents anticipate a second civil war. The criminal complaint states that Justus and Carrillo met on Facebook, and plotted the Oakland attack in chats with other boogaloo followers there. ...

The duo purposefully chose the night of massive protests to gain cover for the attacks, said Jack Bennett, special agent in charge of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. “There is no evidence that these men had any intention to join the demonstration in Oakland,” Bennett said. “They came to Oakland to kill cops.”

The complaint points to Carrillo’s Facebook posts, in which he voiced support for violence against law enforcement and made references to the Boogaloo movement, as evidence of his motivation. A former friend Justin Ehrhardt told this news organization that Carrillo’s Facebook page was rife with memes related to the ideology.

“Go to the riots and support our own cause. Show them the real targets,” Carrillo allegedly wrote in one post. “Use their anger to fuel our fire. Think outside the box. We have mobs of angry people to use to our advantage.” ...

The attacks are one of several recent incidents law enforcement have linked to Boogaloo, whose affiliates have made headlines in recent weeks for arrests ranging from alleged domestic terrorism to firearm offenses. ...

Earlier this month, the FBI arrested three adherents to the Boogaloo movement in Nevada, charging them with inciting violence with Molotov cocktails and other explosives at protests over the death of George Floyd. In April, a Texarkana, Texas man with alleged ties to Boogaloo was arrested on suspicion of capital attempted murder of a peace officer. ...

So, not antifa, not BLM, just a far-right-wing asshole trying to start a civil war.

[iam4liberty]

Yeah, everything happening in Chazistan is all just made up.   

Here is the video of the "mostly peaceful" event at the shop after one of the CHAZ enforcers got caught as they broke into a shop, stole their cash  and set a vehicle on fire because they wouldnt pay the extortion fee.  They cops watch on from less than a block away.  Lucky the son was armed or shop keeper would have been killed.  For some reason, google keeps taking it down:

https://youtu.be/ofT7rmDF3oI

Here is some rare news coverage:

https://nypost.com/2020/06/16/cops-refused-to-respond-to-shop-under-attack-near-seattle-chaz-report/
Cops allegedly refused to respond to shop under attack near Seattle CHAZ

Just a summer of love!

[mountainmoma]

Mercury News, 6/16/20: Authorities charge alleged Santa Cruz deputy killer with assassinating federal cop in Oakland, link attacks to Boogaloo movement

So, not antifa, not BLM, just a far-right-wing asshole trying to start a civil war.

AntiFa and BLM are not the only people trying to stir things up.

The guy was very anti-police and law enforcement.   The thing about people is that they are multi-faceted.  Like this guy.  He was never thought to be part of the local antifa

[iam4liberty]

Arson, robbery, beatings, rape, and murder. This is Chazistan.  Of course some will say the hundreds of reports are just made up.   

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/20/seattle-shooting-police-free-zone-chaz
One dead and one wounded in shooting in Seattle police-free zone

The shooting happened at about 3am in the area near downtown known as the Chaz, short for “Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone”, police said in a statement on Twitter.

Seattle’s police department claimed in a press release on Saturday morning that when officers responded to reports of gunshots inside the protest zone, they “were met by a violent crowd that prevented officers safe access to the victims”.

https://www.christianpost.com/amp/seattle-chop-chaz-protesters-threaten-to-kill-man-after-breaking-into-his-business.html
Seattle business owner says CHOP protesters threatened to kill him for detaining thief, arsonist

http://www.shorenewsnetwork.com/2020/06/19/theres-no-room-for-jesus-in-seattle-autonomous-zone-as-preacher-beaten-and-removed-for-preaching/
There’s No Room for Jesus in Seattle Autonomous Zone as Preacher Beaten and Removed for Preaching

https://nypost.com/2020/06/20/my-terrifying-5-day-stay-inside-seattles-autonomous-zone/
My terrifying five-day stay inside Seattle’s cop-free CHAZ

On Thursday, police arrested Robert James after he left the CHAZ. He is accused of sexually assaulting a deaf woman who was lured inside a tent. The same day, former city council candidate Isaiah Willoughby was arrested on suspicion of starting the arson attack on the East Precinct June 8.

[iam4liberty]

https://www.foxnews.com/us/seattle-police-bodycam-video-chop-shooting.amp
Seattle police response to CHOP fatal shooting seen on bodycam footage

This is inside the area referred to as the Capitol Hill Organized Protest (CHOP),” the department said. “Officers attempted to locate a shooting victim but were met by a violent crowd that prevented officers' safe access to the victims.”

An officer in the video can be heard saying through a bullhorn: “Please move out of the way so we can get to the victim! All we want to do is get to the victim and provide them aid!”

[Carver]

https://nypost.com/2020/06/20/my-terrifying-5-day-stay-inside-seattles-autonomous-zone/
My terrifying five-day stay inside Seattle’s cop-free CHAZ

On Thursday, police arrested Robert James after he left the CHAZ. He is accused of sexually assaulting a deaf woman who was lured inside a tent. The same day, former city council candidate Isaiah Willoughby was arrested on suspicion of starting the arson attack on the East Precinct June 8.

From the article My terrifying five-day stay inside Seattle’s cop-free CHAZ  by Andy NGO, a few more snippets:

Every business and property inside CHAZ has been vandalized with graffiti. Most messages say some variation of “Black Lives Matter” or “George Floyd,” but other messages call for the murder of police. Most businesses are boarded up. “ACAB” — all cops are bastards, an Antifa slogan — is written over them.

Left-wing political groups have capitalized on the opportunity to recruit new members. The Democratic Socialists of America features prominently in addition to the Seattle Revolutionary Socialists.

Despite the pleas from those who live and work inside Capitol Hill for law and order to be restored, Seattle’s city council has determined that CHAZ should continue. On Tuesday, the city even provided upgrades to CHAZ, including street blockades that double as graffiti canvases, along with cleaning services and porta-potties.

[David in MN]

I can't speak for Seattle; I don't know what in the world is going on there. But I am a 15 minute drive from Minneapolis proper and I have at least a tertiary grip on what has been happening.

What you have to understand about Minneapolis is that it's actually very small. The city itself is just the downtown. The surrounding cities and communities are massive. But we all go downtown. Minneapolis is sort of unique this way. It's a "smart growth" city where everything is downtown. That's where the Twins and Vikings play. It's where all the art and museums reside. To put a real fine point on it we put our biggest university... downtown. How many other state schools are in their biggest city?

I say all that to lay out the groundwork for another point. Our economy requires that we all go to Minneapolis and spend money. Normally that's not a problem. But you get in a tailspin where the police have shown themselves to be little more than a junkyard dog, the mayor tells rioters to have their way with the city, and any rational person sees the police and fire are standing down and letting property burn and we're not going.

I'm very afraid that without the influx of money the city will fall apart. The city has soured middle class black people as racist and has soured the rest of us as a "stand down" disaster. That's not good for anybody. Because I might want to drive downtown and tour the Walker Art Museum and then have oysters on the half shell at Cafe Lurcat but if I have to question my safety... It ain't happening. And I know I'm not alone. It's such a dumpster fire my gay friends are moving out of downtown. They're abandoning the part of the city they reclaimed 10 years ago.

As far as their brand goes Minneapolis has just about done everything possible to to wreck its image.

[iam4liberty]

As far as their brand goes Minneapolis has just about done everything possible to to wreck its image.

Yep.  There is basically a hiatus in business travel to Minneapolis now.  I know several people working on large accounts there (GM, Target,  3M).   People don't realize how many corporate headquarters are there.  They had just opened back up consulting from COVID restrictions.  Now no-one is allowed to travel there again as HR departments ban it. The airport, probably the best in the country, must be suffering bad.  It is like a miniature Mall of America with all its shops.  So much business traveler money is spent there.  Now nothing.

[Carver]

I agree things look bleak for that city but on the other hand it has a lot going for it. It does have an international airport and the park and lake system along with the Mississippi river and Minnehaha creek parkway does not have it's equal in any city I've been. The quaint and historical neighborhoods surrounding the lakes and waterways are idyllic. Downtown Minneapolis has lost most, if not all, of the major stores ever since Southdale in the 1960's drew customers away, and then after that shopping malls everywhere and Mall of America in Bloomington. It has adjusted to that, but I don't see how it can adjust to destruction of the business and residential communities.

As I recall a lot of east coast money came into Minneapolis after the 1968 riots; the art school I went to went from a little obsolete building to today's multi-block complex, same for the attached art institute. The Swedish institute, Guthrie theater, the grand homes up and down Park & Portland avenues are some of the few remaining examples of it's history.

I guess I do not want to believe that Minneapolis is beyond restoration; I am aware I have an emotional response to what is happening there as our family history goes back to the 1880's there and now all the places in our family photo albums are today in a state of mild to massive devastation. The Democrat/Socialist political and social environment there doesn't bother me, it has always been that way. My grandfather was one, but they didn't support anything at all like what is going on there today. It is heartbreaking to watch, I am hopeful for it's future but I won't be in it.

[David in MN]

Oh yeah, people have no idea how much business is centered around Minneapolis. Granted it's not like West Chicago but it has a massive industrial and farming presence. The decline in business travel will be felt.

As to whether I'm optimistic; I am. Minnesotans tend to be good people who want nothing for the best for their neighbor and we have cultivated the reputation of "nice". We will overcome this moment and get back to our normal lives.

But that said, you have to look at this moment. Minneapolis has just had a horrible officer involved fatality where any sane person would balk at kneeling on a man's neck for 9 minutes and the only response has been the mayor giving the city to looters and then the city council "defunding" the police (and I'm still not sure how that works functionally) and now we've had a weekend laced with shootings. It's bad enough for the hospitality industry which is most of downtown that all the theaters are closed and concerts cancelled from COVID. Now you cut off business travel and it's going to be a tough slog.

As a Minnesotan (by force not choice) you really have to take a hard look at the lifestyle. First Ave and the Guthrie are closed. The age old debate of the best Juicy Lucy doesn't matter because you're not going to Matt's Bar or the Nook. You're not going to the Gasthaus Zur Gemutlichkeit and enjoying the only bar in the state that serves Haacker Pschorr Alt Munchner Dunkel. You're not getting deep fried asparagus at Psycho Suzie's. And that's the tip of the iceberg. With the University shut down I don't know how restaurants like Hong Kong Noodle or Stub and Herbs will make it. I'm very concerned Dinkytown might not have enough residents.

So maybe I'm a little on both sides. I do have hope in the long run but let's be honest Minneapolis is in dire straits and the mayor and city council have not helped. There has been no leadership worth its salt.

[iam4liberty]

and then the city council "defunding" the police (and I'm still not sure how that works functionally)

Well, the only benchmark of that size is Camden, NJ.  They defunded the police laying off half the force and crime skyrocketed.  The city was completely taken over by drug lords with violent crime spiking over 65% in a year.  Then they did a quick about face growing the police force over 50% what it was before defunding and doubling its budget.  That, along with some modest, common-sense changes in police tactics, did the trick and crime plummetted.  So the entire "defunding" is a red herring.  What is needed is basic police reform.  Politicians raiding the budgets to fill their own pockets is the stupidest thing people could do.

[Carver]

There are small towns that have, or have considered, doing away with their police force and contracting with the county for police protection. The didn't do their homework and some counties refused such contracts or ended them. When a city eliminates the police department and later reinstates it the costs are astronomical and experienced help has gone elsewhere.

[David in MN]

We're not exactly talking about small towns that could contract with state police. It's the biggest city in the state. But you also have to look at how badly the Minneapolis administration handled this. They failed to provide medical assistance to George Floyd in a timely manner; they then failed to provide security in the city during the riots; they then cut any support for whatever police force would maintain order. The whole while not providing a police force for residents and not cutting a penny of their taxes. The city basically told residents that they are lousy at providing security so they'll just stop trying and keep the money.

I also worry that we are creating a self-fulfilling prophecy where only the worst will apply to be police.

At the end of the day security is something people want. That's why "bouncer" is a job. But if the events of last weekend are a harbinger people will quit going downtown. Somebody in Minneapolis needs to put on the big boy pants and provide some level of plan to address this and get the city moving again. I can't imagine living downtown and hearing gunfire only to have the city shrug its shoulders. They really need help.

[Carver]

I also worry that we are creating a self-fulfilling prophecy where only the worst will apply to be police.

I think I heard that only 7% of the MPD force lives within the city limits. Does that mean that they do not find enough qualified applicants within the city? The city council wants to require that 100% are residents. That should be interesting.

[fritz_monroe]

I think I heard that only 7% of the MPD force lives within the city limits. Does that mean that they do not find enough qualified applicants within the city? The city council wants to require that 100% are residents. That should be interesting.

I wouldn't think that would be legal.  How do you require someone to live within city limits?  They could require them to be within a certain time from work, but not a specific area.  I think that they could give preference to residents, but that would be about it.

I know that if I was a cop I would not want to live in the same jurisdiction as I worked.  Seems to be an invitation for harassment from the people you have arrested.  Of course there are benefits to it, like being a member of a community makes people trust that you are working for their best interest a bit more.  But to me, the negatives would outweigh the positives.

[iam4liberty]

Another shooting in Chazistan.  Funny how US media is refusing to report on the rampant violence there.

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/22/seattle-shooting-chaz-protest-capitol-hill-autonomous-zone
One person wounded in second shooting in Seattle’s ‘Chaz’ protest zone

Police in Seattle said one person was wounded in a second shooting in the city’s protest zone in less than 48 hours.

The shooting happened late on Sunday night in the area near Seattle’s downtown area known as Chaz, for “Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone”, and involved a 17 year old, who later declined to speak with detectives.

Police tweeted that one person was at a hospital with a gunshot wound.
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A pre-dawn shooting on Saturday had left a 19-year-old man dead and a 33-year-old man critically injured. Both victims, whose identities had not yet been released, were transported to the same hospital via private car. The suspect or suspects in that first shooting fled the scene, and no arrests had been made as of Sunday, Detective Mark Jamieson said

[Carver]

I wouldn't think that would be legal.  How do you require someone to live within city limits?  They could require them to be within a certain time from work, but not a specific area.  I think that they could give preference to residents, but that would be about it.

I know that if I was a cop I would not want to live in the same jurisdiction as I worked.  Seems to be an invitation for harassment from the people you have arrested.  Of course there are benefits to it, like being a member of a community makes people trust that you are working for their best interest a bit more.  But to me, the negatives would outweigh the positives.

2015 shows only 5.4%
https://www.mprnews.org/story/2015/03/20/police-officer-residency

[Mr. Bill]

Another shooting in Chazistan.  Funny how US media is refusing to report on the rampant violence there.

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/22/seattle-shooting-chaz-protest-capitol-hill-autonomous-zone
One person wounded in second shooting in Seattle’s ‘Chaz’ protest zone

That's an Associated Press article, i.e. US media.  I've seen multiple stories about violence in Seattle.

[David in MN]

I think I heard that only 7% of the MPD force lives within the city limits. Does that mean that they do not find enough qualified applicants within the city? The city council wants to require that 100% are residents. That should be interesting.

It's a function of economics. We don't talk about it but police earn an amazing salary. I'm in Champlin. We have 10 officers and a chief who each top out over $100k per year. So my blue collar town is policed by white collar Edina residents.

So put the logic to the city. Do you really think an officer making 6 figures is living among the Somalis? Does he have a hovel in Frogtown among the Hmong? Or is it more likely he has a 4200 square foot palace in Wayzata, sends his kids to private school, and his wife drinks $50 bottles of chardonnay at their lake house?

Also keep in mind Minneapolis did try to recruit minority officers. Their first Somali officer is the guy who gunned down the Aussie lady. That had to die a quiet death.

Minneapolis has had these issues for years and the Hmong and Somali communities often bear the brunt. I'm not thrilled that leadership has decided to alienate police rather than lay out a sensible plan to reform but to ignore that these issues exist hasn't worked well in the past. I would go so far as to say that what the Somali population has had to bear is criminal. We'll take you from your sunny African desert and dump you in frigid Minneapolis in a substandard apartment building built by a socialist we colloquially call the "crackstacks" and you'll not share a language with any civil servant but we'll keep just this side of starving and naked because you'll vote reliably.

I will say these things. But I'm pretty much alone. I have little hope.

[iam4liberty]

Turns out that businesses and residents dont like their community being left to violent mobs and a warlord.  Who would have thought?

https://www.foxnews.com/us/seattle-chop-zone-prompts-lawsuit-from-businesses-residents-reports.amp
Seattle CHOP zone prompts lawsuit from businesses, residents: reports

“(T)his lawsuit is about the constitutional and other legal rights of plaintiffs – businesses, employees and residents in and around CHOP – which have been overrun by the city of Seattle’s unprecedented decision to abandon and close off an entire city neighborhood, leaving it unchecked by the police, unserved by fire and emergency health services and inaccessible to the public at large,” the lawsuit says

Meanwhile, one of those shot is reportedly trying to find lawyers to sue the police and paramedics who were cut off by the CHAZ warlord and his minnions.

https://twitter.com/jason_howerton/status/1275889670715510784?s=19

[iam4liberty]

There are only about two dozen rioters left in Chazistan.  Now the legit residents have come out of their homes to reclaim the neighborhood.  Think the residents are a wee bit tired with the invaders?  The rioters aren't so tough when the odds are equal, like one resident to five rioters.

https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1276110776256925696?s=09

[Carver]

There are only about two dozen rioters left in Chazistan.  Now the legit residents have come out of their homes to reclaim the neighborhood.  Think the residents are a wee bit tired with the invaders?  The rioters aren't so tough when the odds are equal, like one resident to five rioters.

https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1276110776256925696?s=09

Great!

Bethel Ohio residents stand up to invading protestors: (note most of BLM protesters are white women)
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/06/17/bethel-ohio-protests-black-lives-matter-meets-small-town-america/3207842001/

[iam4liberty]

https://www.foxnews.com/media/cleveland-business-owner-receiving-threats-for-cooperating-with-police-after-store-was-looted.amp
Owner of Ohio store ransacked by rioters says she's receiving threats for cooperating with police

An Ohio business owner told “Fox & Friends” on Monday that she is receiving threats for cooperating with law enforcement officials investigating the looting of her cupcake store last month.

Kelly Kandah, the owner of Colossal Cupcakes in Cleveland, which was destroyed by looters, said some of those threats include people telling her that when her store is rebuilt, “it’s going to get hit again.”
...
Kandah said her store was ransacked while she and four employees were hiding inside a locked bathroom of the store on May 30 during protests over the death of George Floyd in Minneapolis police custody. She said police saved her life that day.

[iam4liberty]

Comrades, we regret to inform you that our beloved Democratic Peoples Republic of Chazistan has fallen!

https://youtu.be/-h_kOJCZ5DQ
LIVE - Seattle Police take back CHOP/CHAZ East Precinct Station

[Carver]

Examples of consequences of progressive anti-police attitude of Minneapolis city council and weak mayor.
https://youtu.be/qUcVIVaTYUU

https://youtu.be/RiW7H3LF5xY