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Title: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: mountainmoma on June 06, 2020, 09:36:35 PM
A reliable person I know just called me.  There is a ( very, very) small town in the greater SF bay area, "out of town" town, you know, one major road, one gas station, one grocery store town.  So, you will read about it, Ben Lomand CA.  But, more will come out of course, but what you wont read about yet, and this is of course preliminary information, but very good preliminary information, this was most likely a case of domestic terrorism.  No information if there is any wider affilliation, but the motivation was to shoot cops.  There were also explosives found, not used.  Maybe the caught the attention of a sherrif patrol before they were able to implement htey way they wanted to ?  About 6 hours ago.  I think most likely this was localized, and not part of a larger thing, but still wanted to give a heads up.  One officer dead, one injured, one suspect in custody, do not know about the other.  Not race related -- anti law enforcement motivation


I know in general the type of area this is and would imagine this was a complete surprise to them and nothing they were expecting.
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: Carver on June 06, 2020, 09:56:49 PM
Shoot the cops, defund police force and replace with government gangs. The Venezuela model.
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: mountainmoma on June 06, 2020, 10:59:07 PM
Local to that town.  Only the one so far, still investigating other ties.  Seems that sherrifs got a call of suspicious vehicle with guns/explosives, went to investigate.  They either followed or found the van at a house and then they ( 2 deputies) were ambushed there with improvised explosives and gunfire, both officers down ( one is dead one in hospital) so he got away and then other law enforcement involved and car chase that included one car jacking and a 2nd attempted carjacking, shots fired in both directions, one highway patrol shot, in hand not serious, non-serious shot got the suspect. He was ranting anti-police rhetoric during the arrest -- but no more information of what the plans of his were.
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: iam4liberty on June 06, 2020, 11:17:10 PM
https://www.kgns.tv/content/news/Deputy-killed-2-other-officers-shot-in-California-ambush-571081921.html (https://www.kgns.tv/content/news/Deputy-killed-2-other-officers-shot-in-California-ambush-571081921.html)
Deputy killed, 2 other officers shot in California ambush
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: mountainmoma on June 07, 2020, 12:51:22 AM
https://www.kgns.tv/content/news/Deputy-killed-2-other-officers-shot-in-California-ambush-571081921.html (https://www.kgns.tv/content/news/Deputy-killed-2-other-officers-shot-in-California-ambush-571081921.html)
Deputy killed, 2 other officers shot in California ambush

yes, that is the one I am talking about

Turns out suspect is armed forces. 
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The ABC7 I-Team has new information on Carillo since officials identified him. The I-Team has learned he is 32 years-old and an active duty US Air Force sergeant based out of Travis Air Force Base in Fairfield.

Sources tell ABC7 News' Dan Noyes that investigators found many improvised explosive devices inside Carillo's home Saturday and that the FBI has taken over the case. The working theory is the sheriff's deputies "interrupted something big that was about to happen."

On his Facebook page on May 31, Carillo reposted a meme that said, "I'll never let racist white people make me forget about the dope white people I know exist. I love y'all." The post includes fist emojis of different skin tones, and both of the "whites" in the meme were crossed out. Carillo wrote, "The only race that matters, the human race."

https://abc7news.com/deputy-killed-in-santa-cruz-shooting-damon-gutzwiller-sergeant/6235296/
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: mountainmoma on June 07, 2020, 01:08:11 AM
final take down of the injured bad guy was assisted by 2 local civilian residents,  so 2 guys tackled him and held him down until LE caught up and handcuffed him.  Complex chase.

  if this works, there are pictures of the civilians holding him down  -- thought some of you guys could relate

https://twitter.com/sachibub10/status/1269470742476816386/photo/1
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: Carver on June 07, 2020, 07:53:34 AM
Nolte: Democrats Want to Abolish the Police and Confiscate Our Guns
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/06/06/nolte-democrats-want-to-abolish-the-police-and-confiscate-our-guns/ (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/06/06/nolte-democrats-want-to-abolish-the-police-and-confiscate-our-guns/)
Hard to believe an idiotic idea like this is gaining momentum, it'll be so much easier for terrorist groups to take over policing. A Bolshevik revolution is here, re-education camps, executions.
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: iam4liberty on June 07, 2020, 09:02:32 AM
Well, this incident sure did spook Newsom.  After ravaging police officers in speeches all last week, he did an about-face yesterday pledging to stand behind them and ordering flags flown at half staff today.  Whatever this was it must have been big.
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: Carver on June 09, 2020, 10:11:26 AM
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Democrats propose sweeping police overhaul; Trump criticizes
https://news.yahoo.com/democrats-proposing-police-procedures-accountability-040609681.html (https://news.yahoo.com/democrats-proposing-police-procedures-accountability-040609681.html)
The Justice in Policing Act, the most ambitious law enforcement reform from Congress in years, confronts several aspects of policing that have come under strong criticism, especially as more and more police violence is captured on cellphone video and shared widely across the nation and the world.

The package would limit legal protections for police, create a national database of excessive-force incidents and ban police choke holds, among other changes.

It would revise the federal criminal police misconduct statute to make it easier to prosecute officers who are involved in “reckless” misconduct and it would change “qualified immunity” protections to more broadly enable damage claims against police in lawsuits.


That would pretty much end most police departments after they, or most of them, quit.
It's looking like private security firms are going to have a lot of new business and choice of ex-police applicants.
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: mountainmoma on June 09, 2020, 10:56:37 AM
Red-shirt guy, who held him down until PD caught up to cuff him, was the attempted 2nd car hijacking -- which explains how he got involved



Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: mountainmoma on June 09, 2020, 12:59:42 PM
This article is about how he was making alot of critical posts on social media about law enforcement

https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/Suspected-killer-of-Santa-Cruz-sheriff-s-deputy-15325771.php#photo-19518202


and details about the citizens role in his arrest

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Hart credited an anonymous Ben Lomond resident with helping to apprehend Carrillo when he appeared in the man’s backyard carrying a semi-automatic AR-15 assault weapon, demanding car keys. The resident, who Hart said did not want to be named, retrieved his key and handed it to Carrillo, Hart said.

“And as the suspect turned around, the resident tackled him and the AR-15 fell away and the resident took this guy to the ground,” Hart said.

Carrillo then reportedly attempted a series of retaliatory measures including trying to light a pipe bomb and pulling out a pistol, with both efforts circumvented by the resident with assistance from neighbors, Hart said.

“It was a remarkable, remarkable heroic thing that that resident did,” Hart said of the resident.

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A second deputy injured while responding with Gutzwiller remained in hospital care Monday, but was in “good spirits and stable condition,” according to Hart.

“We have not have confirmed yet through ballistics, but it appears that he had been shot in the chest and his vest was able to stop the bullet,” Hart said of the deputy he declined to identify by name. “But he suffered some significant internal trauma from the bullet. He also suffered shrapnel wounds from a bomb that was set off and he was struck by the suspect’s car as the suspect fled from the scene. So he may have injured his leg, as well.”


https://www.policeone.com/investigations/articles/calif-sheriff-citizen-aided-in-apprehending-deputys-accused-killer-EkQAex5Hcehw07Jk/

Information not in any articles yet.   In the twitter photos I posted above, there is white shirt guy with the dog.   So, the larger story is like above, but that after red shirt guy tackles the suspect, and the AR is out of his hands, while the suspect was getting his handgun out of his pocket, and neighbor, white shirt guy, lets the dog off the leash and the dog ran over and added assistance and bit the suspect.
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: fritz_monroe on June 09, 2020, 03:00:34 PM
Shoot the cops, defund police force and replace with government gangs. The Venezuela model.
Close.
Lawyer: George Floyd's family, legal team asks United Nations to intervene in case of Floyd's death (https://www.fox9.com/news/lawyer-george-floyds-family-legal-team-asks-united-nations-to-intervene-in-case-of-floyds-death)

Seems like it's the first step in asking for U.N. forces to occupy some U.S. cities.
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: mountainmoma on June 10, 2020, 10:32:37 AM
And, another anti-police shooting, this time in Paso Robles, which, while certainly larger than Ben Lomand, is a small town/city, and not a high crime area at all.  It is not too far driving distance from places like King City, which have alot of gangs, but Paso is generally isolated from such things, so far as I know.



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–A shooting has occurred at the Paso Robles Police Department in downtown Paso Robles, and a deputy from The San Luis Obispo County Sheriff’s Office has been shot and wounded. The deputy sheriff is being treated and their condition is unknown. Law enforcement is looking for at least one suspect.
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The suspect is described as a Hispanic male or light-skinned male, 6 foot tall, stocky build, curly hair, white hoodie, dark pants with a handgun, and possible rifle.

According to officials, the situation began with shots fired at the Paso Robles Police Department building around 3:15 a.m. Wednesday morning. A sheriff deputy was then shot nearby at 10th & Riverside. He was reportedly hit in the chin and has been transported to the hospital.

The sheriff’s office described this is an active situation. No further information is available at this time.

https://pasoroblesdailynews.com/sheriff-deputy-shot-in-paso-robles-suspect-at-large/110143/
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: mountainmoma on June 11, 2020, 01:43:43 PM
So, ANTIFA and other "protesters" for a few days have cordoned off part of Seattle as a police free zone, and say they are in charge etc... these are the people who say we do not need police.

2 points of interest that show to the rest of us that this isnt true:  First, they had invited the cities homeless to join them, so now the organizers are asking for food donations as they say that the homeless stole all the food stores. Second, they now have a rapper leading a enforcement force, and guess what ?  They resort immedietally to using violence to enforce people to do what they say.  Rumor is that he is now shaking down people for money to "use to run the area"

Also, the first thing they did was erect barriers, ie., build a wall, to control people going in and out of their territory....

https://twitter.com/historyofarmani/status/1270450175350378496/photo/1

I dont think they see the hypocrisy yet

Here is a video of them assualting, ie., absolute violence and thuggery, worse enforcement than the PD would use in the same situation,

https://twitter.com/WeAreAntifa2020/status/1270633202634260481?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1270633202634260481&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rt.com%2Fop-ed%2F491474-seattle-anarchists-commune-problems%2F

 Please send soy !

https://twitter.com/iowahawkblog/status/1270761914918932481/photo/1

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“We have heard, anecdotally, reports of citizens and businesses being asked to pay a fee to operate within this area. This is the crime of extortion. If anyone has been subjected to this, we need them to call 911,” Assistant Chief Deanna Nollette said at a press conference on Wednesday.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/seattle-autonomous-zone-business-antifa
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: Carver on June 11, 2020, 03:13:45 PM
Not to glory in other's misery, but you gotta admit, it is entertaining to see their construction of utopia:
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Seattle "Autonomous Zone" Now Has A "Heavily-Armed" Warlord As Crime Spikes 300%
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/seattle-autonomous-zone-now-has-heavily-armed-warlord-governor-clueless (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/seattle-autonomous-zone-now-has-heavily-armed-warlord-governor-clueless)
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: Mr. Bill on June 11, 2020, 09:48:16 PM
So, ANTIFA and other "protesters" for a few days have cordoned off part of Seattle as a police free zone, and say they are in charge etc... these are the people who say we do not need police. ...

The "truth" depends entirely on which on-the-scene reports you're following.  My liberal friends have been sharing stuff like this:

https://www.facebook.com/mornara/posts/10157217465630753

I'm not there, so I have no idea which "truth" is true.
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: Carver on June 11, 2020, 10:14:22 PM
They can't be talking about the same scene or one or the other is lying. Photos/videos tend to lend more credibility.
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: mountainmoma on June 11, 2020, 10:50:57 PM
The "truth" depends entirely on which on-the-scene reports you're following.  My liberal friends have been sharing stuff like this:

https://www.facebook.com/mornara/posts/10157217465630753

I'm not there, so I have no idea which "truth" is true.
Reports are not mutually exclusive --  likely it is all true accounts of what people have experienced, different people experience different things, likley some business are being helped, some are being asked for money by somebody.  There is food in places, but at least one group had theirs taken.  It can be overall peaceful, and yet it is also true that they beat up the graphity artist , and even that facebook thread you linked admitted they have security that is searching people ( for weapons) but that somehow this is totally different than when the police do stop and frisk ..... etc... 

I never heard the east precint was burned down --

Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: Carver on June 12, 2020, 07:02:56 AM
The "truth" depends entirely on which on-the-scene reports you're following.  My liberal friends have been sharing stuff like this:

https://www.facebook.com/mornara/posts/10157217465630753

I'm not there, so I have no idea which "truth" is true.
I looked at her FB photos of the scene and how you interpret the situation is personal. What to them looks like utopia to me looks like chaos. The illegal takeover of property is not a matter of opinion, it is a crime, no matter how many gardens they plant and utopian slogans are slung around. I never heard of any destructive rioting taking place in Seattle as in Mpls, but just the fact that this takeover is illegal defines it. I can't help but make a comparison to "Burning Man". Was it intentional that "CHAZ" is so close to the word "chaos"? Like, "CHAOZ" maybe?
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: Carver on June 12, 2020, 09:42:53 AM
Oh-oh, looks like things are not as tight as they are supposed to be:
Black Lives Matter protesters say Seattle’s autonomous zone has hijacked message
https://www.foxnews.com/us/black-lives-matter-protesters-seattle-chaz-hijacked-message (https://www.foxnews.com/us/black-lives-matter-protesters-seattle-chaz-hijacked-message)
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: mountainmoma on June 12, 2020, 10:30:44 AM
Oh-oh, looks like things are not as tight as they are supposed to be:
Black Lives Matter protesters say Seattle’s autonomous zone has hijacked message
https://www.foxnews.com/us/black-lives-matter-protesters-seattle-chaz-hijacked-message (https://www.foxnews.com/us/black-lives-matter-protesters-seattle-chaz-hijacked-message)

So, now they are oppressing black people and not allowing them to speak ? 
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: iam4liberty on June 12, 2020, 11:07:24 AM
So somehow we have gone from "justice for George Floyd" to "addressing police brutality" to BLM "defund police, reparations, destroying cultural landmarks" to suppressive communist "autonomous zones". 

How about we jettison all these groups trying to enrich themselves and go back to justice for George Floyd and practical police brutality reforms?
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: Carver on June 12, 2020, 11:49:12 AM
So somehow we have gone from "justice for George Floyd" to "addressing police brutality" to BLM "defund police, reparations, destroying cultural landmarks" to suppressive communist "autonomous zones". 

How about we jettison all these groups trying to enrich themselves and go back to justice for George Floyd and practical police brutality reforms?

I don't know what "justice for George Floyd" means. The cops were indicted and will go through the justice procedure; what more is there? It won't do a dead man any good; anything beyond the outcome of the criminal justice system's results will be an opportunity for subversive intentions.

As I learn about this gruesome murder it becomes apparent that the cop was acting out a personal as well as racial vendetta on George. Laws and protests will not rectify or prevent such events; individuals need to learn how to practice professionalism and keep their personal agenda at home. If they can't, they need to be taken out of there. This was a tragedy waiting to happen, there were numerous warning signs years before, the man should not have been in uniform.
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: iam4liberty on June 12, 2020, 12:33:39 PM
I don't know what "justice for George Floyd" means. The cops were indicted and will go through the justice procedure; what more is there? It won't do a dead man any good; anything beyond the outcome of the criminal justice system's results will be an opportunity for subversive intentions.

We have a justice system with both criminal and civil aspects.  Justice is in that context, those who did it face appropriate criminal penalties and pay civil restitution to survivors who counted on him.

It does not mean third party groups appropriating his tragedy to enrich themselves and promote radical agendas.
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: Carver on June 12, 2020, 12:44:11 PM
It does not mean third party groups appropriating his tragedy to enrich themselves and promote radical agendas.
But don't you think it means that to them? Street justice? We might not have lynchings anymore but the mentality is still there and doesn't belong to any one group.
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: Greekman on June 12, 2020, 01:08:26 PM
......
How about we jettison all these groups trying to enrich themselves and go back to justice for George Floyd and practical police brutality reforms?

by letting them degrade and show their pointlessness?
happened with the Greek facsimile left government just two years ago.
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: fritz_monroe on June 12, 2020, 07:30:38 PM
It's funny, the local news in my area don't even mention Seattle. 
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: Carver on June 12, 2020, 07:42:43 PM
It's funny, the local news in my area don't even mention Seattle.
Outside of local news stories our local channels recite Associated Press's version of national and international news. We heard non-stop stories how Trump colluded with the Russians but zero how the FBI colluded with the Hillary campaign. If our local news was all you watched you would be convinced that Joe Biden was a decent and intelligent, capable leader and Trump was defined by his raucous tweets. This is in fact what mother-in-law believes... a CNN viewer.
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: iam4liberty on June 12, 2020, 10:39:53 PM
But don't you think it means that to them? Street justice? We might not have lynchings anymore but the mentality is still there and doesn't belong to any one group.

They have no concept of justice at all.  They only believe in advancing their own agenda.  Their motto is "by any means necessary".  They dont care who gets hurt.  They routinely abuse the elderly, children, and the disabled.  To them the less able they are to defend themselves the better. 

by letting them degrade and show their pointlessness?
happened with the Greek facsimile left government just two years ago.

I think there is a lot we in the US can learn from the European experience.  I remember a couple years ago when news first broke of the police no go zones in Europe.  When Trump pointed it out, many argued they didnt exist.  And now we have one in Seattle and the news denies it is happening. 
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: Carver on June 13, 2020, 07:24:26 AM
It's funny, the local news in my area don't even mention Seattle.
The governor of the state of Washington didn't know about the Seattle situation either, it wasn't in the news there either.
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: Carver on June 13, 2020, 07:35:37 AM
Predictable effects of the protest/riots/anti-police rhetoric are here:https://www.foxnews.com/us/black-lives-matter-protesters-seattle-chaz-hijacked-message
https://www.foxnews.com/us/10-florida-swat-officers-quit-unit-over-political-climate-report (https://www.foxnews.com/us/10-florida-swat-officers-quit-unit-over-political-climate-report)

Tulsa police major warns of coming law enforcement exodus: 'Every officer you talk to is looking to leave'
https://www.foxnews.com/media/tulsa-police-travis-yates-law-enforcement-exodus (https://www.foxnews.com/media/tulsa-police-travis-yates-law-enforcement-exodus)

Police in Miami fight back:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1271456187645661184 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1271456187645661184)
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: iam4liberty on June 13, 2020, 08:55:17 AM
John Cleese just tweeted out this video saying it was hard to tell if he recorded it 30 years ago or 10 minutes ago

https://youtu.be/HLNhPMQnWu4 (https://youtu.be/HLNhPMQnWu4)

Now BLM and ANTIFA is trying to get him cancelled on social media for hate speech. No moderate voices are to be allowed.  They can riot and loot, but noone else can even discuss issues. 

This is massively multiplied on the police who, starting late last year, aren't even allowed to report to public what is happening.  This authoritarians on both right and left are pushing this silencing   Example:

https://www.cbs7.com/content/news/Holiday-week-full-of-unbelievable-violence-in-Odessa-City---565757981.html (https://www.cbs7.com/content/news/Holiday-week-full-of-unbelievable-violence-in-Odessa-City---565757981.html)
Holiday week full of "unbelievable" violent crime in Odessa; City withholding important information on cases from public

Odessa Police Department Chief Michael Gerke said the number of violent crimes throughout the Permian Basin is concerning, while Ector County Sheriff Mike Griffis said it’s “unbelievable” what is happening.

What should also be of concern to all Odessans is not just the rise in violent crime but also what appears to be City of Odessa officials stalling on releasing important information about all crime. The city recently made changes to the way information on crime is released — changes that FOI state officials say violate the public information act and that one official called “inexcusable.”
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“Clearly Odessans want to know about the crimes going on in this city and their neighborhoods,” Dennis said. “It’s not just about the media. This is about basic information about crime going on here and the city using our own tax dollars to fund fighting the release of information that is clearly public.”
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: Carver on June 13, 2020, 10:02:13 AM
Time for a new topic in general news: "The Cancel Culture"
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: iam4liberty on June 17, 2020, 06:19:29 AM
Just a "summer of love" in the CHAZ.

https://nypost.com/2020/06/16/cops-refused-to-respond-to-shop-under-attack-near-seattle-chaz-report/amp/ (https://nypost.com/2020/06/16/cops-refused-to-respond-to-shop-under-attack-near-seattle-chaz-report/amp/)
Cops allegedly refused to respond to shop under attack near Seattle CHAZ

An auto-shop owner on the edge of Seattle’s cop-free CHAZ  says police refused to help as an angry mob stormed his property — forcing his son to pull a gun to protect them, according to video and reports.
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a protester Sunday night who stole cash and set a fire in his
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His son, Mason McDermott, helped tackle the suspect who “tried to cut me with a box cutter,” he told the station, showing large slits in his jeans close to his crotch.

Other protesters soon arrived — and video on social media shows the mob eventually knocking over a section of fencing, running in to confront the owners
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his son pulled a firearm to protect themselves from the mob, some of whom were also armed, they said.

“He’s just trying to protect his business,” a local reporter said in a livestreamed video as he noted the gun during the attack. No shots appeared to have been fired.

Mason said the near-disaster was proof that the “mayor and governor need to get their act together” over the area.
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: Mr. Bill on June 18, 2020, 11:35:57 AM
Photos/videos tend to lend more credibility.

AP. 6/14/20: Fox News Removes Digitally Altered, Misleading Photos of Seattle 'Autonomous Zone' From Website (https://time.com/5853408/fox-news-altered-photo-seattle/)

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...Fox News’ website featured at least two photos on Friday that inserted an image of a man standing with a military-style rifle, and that there were no disclaimers on how they were manipulated when featured on the network’s website for most of the day Friday.

The image of the gunman is from a Getty Images photo that was taken on June 10 at what is known as the “Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone” protest area. The original photo showed an unidentified man wearing a green mask who was carrying a weapon while standing in front of a car.

The Seattle Times said Fox’s website used that gunman image for the network’s coverage of the protest zone, but the image was included in a mashup of other photos from May 30 that depicted smashed windows in downtown Seattle — before the protest zone was set up and in a different neighborhood. ...

...Fox’s package of stories on Seattle’s protest zone included a May 30 photo taken by an Associated Press photographer depicting a burning building and car that was in St. Paul, Minnesota. Fox has also since removed that image. ...
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: Mr. Bill on June 18, 2020, 11:48:06 AM
This article is about how he was making alot of critical posts on social media about law enforcement

https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/Suspected-killer-of-Santa-Cruz-sheriff-s-deputy-15325771.php#photo-19518202


and details about the citizens role in his arrest ...

Mercury News, 6/16/20: Authorities charge alleged Santa Cruz deputy killer with assassinating federal cop in Oakland, link attacks to Boogaloo movement (https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/06/16/santa-cruz-deputys-alleged-killer-charged-with-assassinating-federal-cop-in-oakland-ambush/)

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Steven Carrillo, the U.S. Air Force sergeant who allegedly murdered a Santa Cruz deputy earlier this month, has been charged with a second deadly ambush of federal officers a week earlier — alongside a second man who allegedly drove the drive-by shooting van — in attacks that authorities say were driven by Carrillo’s extremist, anti-law enforcement views and ties to a movement that believes a second American Civil War is coming soon.

Prosecutors with the Northern District U.S. Attorney’s office announced the charges Tuesday at the Ronald V. Dellums Federal Building, just yards away from where Carrillo is accused of assassinating Federal Protective Services Officer Patrick David Underwood and injuring his partner on the night of May 29, after firing on them from a white van, in what authorities described as “an ambush.” ...

In announcing the charges, authorities alleged that both Carrillo and Justus had ties to the extremist anti-government “Boogaloo” movement, whose self-described libertarian, tropical-shirt-wearing adherents anticipate a second civil war. The criminal complaint states that Justus and Carrillo met on Facebook, and plotted the Oakland attack in chats with other boogaloo followers there. ...

The duo purposefully chose the night of massive protests to gain cover for the attacks, said Jack Bennett, special agent in charge of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. “There is no evidence that these men had any intention to join the demonstration in Oakland,” Bennett said. “They came to Oakland to kill cops.”

The complaint points to Carrillo’s Facebook posts, in which he voiced support for violence against law enforcement and made references to the Boogaloo movement, as evidence of his motivation. A former friend Justin Ehrhardt told this news organization that Carrillo’s Facebook page was rife with memes related to the ideology.

“Go to the riots and support our own cause. Show them the real targets,” Carrillo allegedly wrote in one post. “Use their anger to fuel our fire. Think outside the box. We have mobs of angry people to use to our advantage.” ...

The attacks are one of several recent incidents law enforcement have linked to Boogaloo, whose affiliates have made headlines in recent weeks for arrests ranging from alleged domestic terrorism to firearm offenses. ...

Earlier this month, the FBI arrested three adherents to the Boogaloo movement in Nevada, charging them with inciting violence with Molotov cocktails and other explosives at protests over the death of George Floyd. In April, a Texarkana, Texas man with alleged ties to Boogaloo was arrested on suspicion of capital attempted murder of a peace officer. ...

So, not antifa, not BLM, just a far-right-wing asshole trying to start a civil war.
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: iam4liberty on June 18, 2020, 11:53:19 AM
Yeah, everything happening in Chazistan is all just made up.   :P

Here is the video of the "mostly peaceful" event at the shop after one of the CHAZ enforcers got caught as they broke into a shop, stole their cash  and set a vehicle on fire because they wouldnt pay the extortion fee.  They cops watch on from less than a block away.  Lucky the son was armed or shop keeper would have been killed.  For some reason, google keeps taking it down:

https://youtu.be/ofT7rmDF3oI (https://youtu.be/ofT7rmDF3oI)

Here is some rare news coverage:

https://nypost.com/2020/06/16/cops-refused-to-respond-to-shop-under-attack-near-seattle-chaz-report/ (https://nypost.com/2020/06/16/cops-refused-to-respond-to-shop-under-attack-near-seattle-chaz-report/)
Cops allegedly refused to respond to shop under attack near Seattle CHAZ

Just a summer of love!
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: mountainmoma on June 18, 2020, 01:10:27 PM
Mercury News, 6/16/20: Authorities charge alleged Santa Cruz deputy killer with assassinating federal cop in Oakland, link attacks to Boogaloo movement (https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/06/16/santa-cruz-deputys-alleged-killer-charged-with-assassinating-federal-cop-in-oakland-ambush/)

So, not antifa, not BLM, just a far-right-wing asshole trying to start a civil war.

AntiFa and BLM are not the only people trying to stir things up.

The guy was very anti-police and law enforcement.   The thing about people is that they are multi-faceted.  Like this guy.  He was never thought to be part of the local antifa
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: iam4liberty on June 20, 2020, 05:58:31 PM
Arson, robbery, beatings, rape, and murder. This is Chazistan.  Of course some will say the hundreds of reports are just made up.   ::)

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/20/seattle-shooting-police-free-zone-chaz (https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/20/seattle-shooting-police-free-zone-chaz)
One dead and one wounded in shooting in Seattle police-free zone

The shooting happened at about 3am in the area near downtown known as the Chaz, short for “Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone”, police said in a statement on Twitter.

Seattle’s police department claimed in a press release on Saturday morning that when officers responded to reports of gunshots inside the protest zone, they “were met by a violent crowd that prevented officers safe access to the victims”.


https://www.christianpost.com/amp/seattle-chop-chaz-protesters-threaten-to-kill-man-after-breaking-into-his-business.html (https://www.christianpost.com/amp/seattle-chop-chaz-protesters-threaten-to-kill-man-after-breaking-into-his-business.html)
Seattle business owner says CHOP protesters threatened to kill him for detaining thief, arsonist

http://www.shorenewsnetwork.com/2020/06/19/theres-no-room-for-jesus-in-seattle-autonomous-zone-as-preacher-beaten-and-removed-for-preaching/ (http://www.shorenewsnetwork.com/2020/06/19/theres-no-room-for-jesus-in-seattle-autonomous-zone-as-preacher-beaten-and-removed-for-preaching/)
There’s No Room for Jesus in Seattle Autonomous Zone as Preacher Beaten and Removed for Preaching

https://nypost.com/2020/06/20/my-terrifying-5-day-stay-inside-seattles-autonomous-zone/ (https://nypost.com/2020/06/20/my-terrifying-5-day-stay-inside-seattles-autonomous-zone/)
My terrifying five-day stay inside Seattle’s cop-free CHAZ

On Thursday, police arrested Robert James after he left the CHAZ. He is accused of sexually assaulting a deaf woman who was lured inside a tent. The same day, former city council candidate Isaiah Willoughby was arrested on suspicion of starting the arson attack on the East Precinct June 8.

Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: iam4liberty on June 22, 2020, 05:58:17 AM
https://www.foxnews.com/us/seattle-police-bodycam-video-chop-shooting.amp (https://www.foxnews.com/us/seattle-police-bodycam-video-chop-shooting.amp)
Seattle police response to CHOP fatal shooting seen on bodycam footage

This is inside the area referred to as the Capitol Hill Organized Protest (CHOP),” the department said. “Officers attempted to locate a shooting victim but were met by a violent crowd that prevented officers' safe access to the victims.”

An officer in the video can be heard saying through a bullhorn: “Please move out of the way so we can get to the victim! All we want to do is get to the victim and provide them aid!”
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: Carver on June 22, 2020, 06:58:52 AM


https://nypost.com/2020/06/20/my-terrifying-5-day-stay-inside-seattles-autonomous-zone/ (https://nypost.com/2020/06/20/my-terrifying-5-day-stay-inside-seattles-autonomous-zone/)
My terrifying five-day stay inside Seattle’s cop-free CHAZ

On Thursday, police arrested Robert James after he left the CHAZ. He is accused of sexually assaulting a deaf woman who was lured inside a tent. The same day, former city council candidate Isaiah Willoughby was arrested on suspicion of starting the arson attack on the East Precinct June 8.


From the article My terrifying five-day stay inside Seattle’s cop-free CHAZ  by Andy NGO, a few more snippets:
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Every business and property inside CHAZ has been vandalized with graffiti. Most messages say some variation of “Black Lives Matter” or “George Floyd,” but other messages call for the murder of police. Most businesses are boarded up. “ACAB” — all cops are bastards, an Antifa slogan — is written over them.
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Left-wing political groups have capitalized on the opportunity to recruit new members. The Democratic Socialists of America features prominently in addition to the Seattle Revolutionary Socialists.
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Despite the pleas from those who live and work inside Capitol Hill for law and order to be restored, Seattle’s city council has determined that CHAZ should continue. On Tuesday, the city even provided upgrades to CHAZ, including street blockades that double as graffiti canvases, along with cleaning services and porta-potties.
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: David in MN on June 22, 2020, 07:48:20 AM
I can't speak for Seattle; I don't know what in the world is going on there. But I am a 15 minute drive from Minneapolis proper and I have at least a tertiary grip on what has been happening.

What you have to understand about Minneapolis is that it's actually very small. The city itself is just the downtown. The surrounding cities and communities are massive. But we all go downtown. Minneapolis is sort of unique this way. It's a "smart growth" city where everything is downtown. That's where the Twins and Vikings play. It's where all the art and museums reside. To put a real fine point on it we put our biggest university... downtown. How many other state schools are in their biggest city?

I say all that to lay out the groundwork for another point. Our economy requires that we all go to Minneapolis and spend money. Normally that's not a problem. But you get in a tailspin where the police have shown themselves to be little more than a junkyard dog, the mayor tells rioters to have their way with the city, and any rational person sees the police and fire are standing down and letting property burn and we're not going.

I'm very afraid that without the influx of money the city will fall apart. The city has soured middle class black people as racist and has soured the rest of us as a "stand down" disaster. That's not good for anybody. Because I might want to drive downtown and tour the Walker Art Museum and then have oysters on the half shell at Cafe Lurcat but if I have to question my safety... It ain't happening. And I know I'm not alone. It's such a dumpster fire my gay friends are moving out of downtown. They're abandoning the part of the city they reclaimed 10 years ago.

As far as their brand goes Minneapolis has just about done everything possible to to wreck its image.
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: iam4liberty on June 22, 2020, 08:54:17 AM
As far as their brand goes Minneapolis has just about done everything possible to to wreck its image.

Yep.  There is basically a hiatus in business travel to Minneapolis now.  I know several people working on large accounts there (GM, Target,  3M).   People don't realize how many corporate headquarters are there.  They had just opened back up consulting from COVID restrictions.  Now no-one is allowed to travel there again as HR departments ban it. The airport, probably the best in the country, must be suffering bad.  It is like a miniature Mall of America with all its shops.  So much business traveler money is spent there.  Now nothing.
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: Carver on June 22, 2020, 08:57:13 AM
I agree things look bleak for that city but on the other hand it has a lot going for it. It does have an international airport and the park and lake system along with the Mississippi river and Minnehaha creek parkway does not have it's equal in any city I've been. The quaint and historical neighborhoods surrounding the lakes and waterways are idyllic. Downtown Minneapolis has lost most, if not all, of the major stores ever since Southdale in the 1960's drew customers away, and then after that shopping malls everywhere and Mall of America in Bloomington. It has adjusted to that, but I don't see how it can adjust to destruction of the business and residential communities.

As I recall a lot of east coast money came into Minneapolis after the 1968 riots; the art school I went to went from a little obsolete building to today's multi-block complex, same for the attached art institute. The Swedish institute, Guthrie theater, the grand homes up and down Park & Portland avenues are some of the few remaining examples of it's history.

I guess I do not want to believe that Minneapolis is beyond restoration; I am aware I have an emotional response to what is happening there as our family history goes back to the 1880's there and now all the places in our family photo albums are today in a state of mild to massive devastation. The Democrat/Socialist political and social environment there doesn't bother me, it has always been that way. My grandfather was one, but they didn't support anything at all like what is going on there today. It is heartbreaking to watch, I am hopeful for it's future but I won't be in it.
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: David in MN on June 22, 2020, 10:32:48 AM
Oh yeah, people have no idea how much business is centered around Minneapolis. Granted it's not like West Chicago but it has a massive industrial and farming presence. The decline in business travel will be felt.

As to whether I'm optimistic; I am. Minnesotans tend to be good people who want nothing for the best for their neighbor and we have cultivated the reputation of "nice". We will overcome this moment and get back to our normal lives.

But that said, you have to look at this moment. Minneapolis has just had a horrible officer involved fatality where any sane person would balk at kneeling on a man's neck for 9 minutes and the only response has been the mayor giving the city to looters and then the city council "defunding" the police (and I'm still not sure how that works functionally) and now we've had a weekend laced with shootings. It's bad enough for the hospitality industry which is most of downtown that all the theaters are closed and concerts cancelled from COVID. Now you cut off business travel and it's going to be a tough slog.

As a Minnesotan (by force not choice) you really have to take a hard look at the lifestyle. First Ave and the Guthrie are closed. The age old debate of the best Juicy Lucy doesn't matter because you're not going to Matt's Bar or the Nook. You're not going to the Gasthaus Zur Gemutlichkeit and enjoying the only bar in the state that serves Haacker Pschorr Alt Munchner Dunkel. You're not getting deep fried asparagus at Psycho Suzie's. And that's the tip of the iceberg. With the University shut down I don't know how restaurants like Hong Kong Noodle or Stub and Herbs will make it. I'm very concerned Dinkytown might not have enough residents.

So maybe I'm a little on both sides. I do have hope in the long run but let's be honest Minneapolis is in dire straits and the mayor and city council have not helped. There has been no leadership worth its salt.
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: iam4liberty on June 22, 2020, 10:56:10 AM
and then the city council "defunding" the police (and I'm still not sure how that works functionally)

Well, the only benchmark of that size is Camden, NJ.  They defunded the police laying off half the force and crime skyrocketed.  The city was completely taken over by drug lords with violent crime spiking over 65% in a year.  Then they did a quick about face growing the police force over 50% what it was before defunding and doubling its budget.  That, along with some modest, common-sense changes in police tactics, did the trick and crime plummetted.  So the entire "defunding" is a red herring.  What is needed is basic police reform.  Politicians raiding the budgets to fill their own pockets is the stupidest thing people could do.
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: Carver on June 22, 2020, 11:35:09 AM
There are small towns that have, or have considered, doing away with their police force and contracting with the county for police protection. The didn't do their homework and some counties refused such contracts or ended them. When a city eliminates the police department and later reinstates it the costs are astronomical and experienced help has gone elsewhere.
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: David in MN on June 22, 2020, 01:38:52 PM
We're not exactly talking about small towns that could contract with state police. It's the biggest city in the state. But you also have to look at how badly the Minneapolis administration handled this. They failed to provide medical assistance to George Floyd in a timely manner; they then failed to provide security in the city during the riots; they then cut any support for whatever police force would maintain order. The whole while not providing a police force for residents and not cutting a penny of their taxes. The city basically told residents that they are lousy at providing security so they'll just stop trying and keep the money.

I also worry that we are creating a self-fulfilling prophecy where only the worst will apply to be police.

At the end of the day security is something people want. That's why "bouncer" is a job. But if the events of last weekend are a harbinger people will quit going downtown. Somebody in Minneapolis needs to put on the big boy pants and provide some level of plan to address this and get the city moving again. I can't imagine living downtown and hearing gunfire only to have the city shrug its shoulders. They really need help.
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: Carver on June 22, 2020, 05:33:40 PM
I also worry that we are creating a self-fulfilling prophecy where only the worst will apply to be police.

I think I heard that only 7% of the MPD force lives within the city limits. Does that mean that they do not find enough qualified applicants within the city? The city council wants to require that 100% are residents. That should be interesting.
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: fritz_monroe on June 22, 2020, 05:47:56 PM
I think I heard that only 7% of the MPD force lives within the city limits. Does that mean that they do not find enough qualified applicants within the city? The city council wants to require that 100% are residents. That should be interesting.
I wouldn't think that would be legal.  How do you require someone to live within city limits?  They could require them to be within a certain time from work, but not a specific area.  I think that they could give preference to residents, but that would be about it.

I know that if I was a cop I would not want to live in the same jurisdiction as I worked.  Seems to be an invitation for harassment from the people you have arrested.  Of course there are benefits to it, like being a member of a community makes people trust that you are working for their best interest a bit more.  But to me, the negatives would outweigh the positives.
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: iam4liberty on June 22, 2020, 06:01:20 PM
Another shooting in Chazistan.  Funny how US media is refusing to report on the rampant violence there.

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/22/seattle-shooting-chaz-protest-capitol-hill-autonomous-zone (https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/22/seattle-shooting-chaz-protest-capitol-hill-autonomous-zone)
One person wounded in second shooting in Seattle’s ‘Chaz’ protest zone

Police in Seattle said one person was wounded in a second shooting in the city’s protest zone in less than 48 hours.

The shooting happened late on Sunday night in the area near Seattle’s downtown area known as Chaz, for “Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone”, and involved a 17 year old, who later declined to speak with detectives.

Police tweeted that one person was at a hospital with a gunshot wound.
...
A pre-dawn shooting on Saturday had left a 19-year-old man dead and a 33-year-old man critically injured. Both victims, whose identities had not yet been released, were transported to the same hospital via private car. The suspect or suspects in that first shooting fled the scene, and no arrests had been made as of Sunday, Detective Mark Jamieson said
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: Carver on June 22, 2020, 07:23:23 PM
I wouldn't think that would be legal.  How do you require someone to live within city limits?  They could require them to be within a certain time from work, but not a specific area.  I think that they could give preference to residents, but that would be about it.

I know that if I was a cop I would not want to live in the same jurisdiction as I worked.  Seems to be an invitation for harassment from the people you have arrested.  Of course there are benefits to it, like being a member of a community makes people trust that you are working for their best interest a bit more.  But to me, the negatives would outweigh the positives.
2015 shows only 5.4%
https://www.mprnews.org/story/2015/03/20/police-officer-residency (https://www.mprnews.org/story/2015/03/20/police-officer-residency)
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: Mr. Bill on June 22, 2020, 08:11:00 PM
Another shooting in Chazistan.  Funny how US media is refusing to report on the rampant violence there.

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/22/seattle-shooting-chaz-protest-capitol-hill-autonomous-zone (https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/22/seattle-shooting-chaz-protest-capitol-hill-autonomous-zone)
One person wounded in second shooting in Seattle’s ‘Chaz’ protest zone

That's an Associated Press article, i.e. US media.  I've seen multiple stories about violence in Seattle.
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: David in MN on June 23, 2020, 07:19:40 AM
I think I heard that only 7% of the MPD force lives within the city limits. Does that mean that they do not find enough qualified applicants within the city? The city council wants to require that 100% are residents. That should be interesting.

It's a function of economics. We don't talk about it but police earn an amazing salary. I'm in Champlin. We have 10 officers and a chief who each top out over $100k per year. So my blue collar town is policed by white collar Edina residents.

So put the logic to the city. Do you really think an officer making 6 figures is living among the Somalis? Does he have a hovel in Frogtown among the Hmong? Or is it more likely he has a 4200 square foot palace in Wayzata, sends his kids to private school, and his wife drinks $50 bottles of chardonnay at their lake house?

Also keep in mind Minneapolis did try to recruit minority officers. Their first Somali officer is the guy who gunned down the Aussie lady. That had to die a quiet death.

Minneapolis has had these issues for years and the Hmong and Somali communities often bear the brunt. I'm not thrilled that leadership has decided to alienate police rather than lay out a sensible plan to reform but to ignore that these issues exist hasn't worked well in the past. I would go so far as to say that what the Somali population has had to bear is criminal. We'll take you from your sunny African desert and dump you in frigid Minneapolis in a substandard apartment building built by a socialist we colloquially call the "crackstacks" and you'll not share a language with any civil servant but we'll keep just this side of starving and naked because you'll vote reliably.

I will say these things. But I'm pretty much alone. I have little hope.
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: iam4liberty on June 25, 2020, 09:05:05 AM
Turns out that businesses and residents dont like their community being left to violent mobs and a warlord.  Who would have thought?

https://www.foxnews.com/us/seattle-chop-zone-prompts-lawsuit-from-businesses-residents-reports.amp (https://www.foxnews.com/us/seattle-chop-zone-prompts-lawsuit-from-businesses-residents-reports.amp)
Seattle CHOP zone prompts lawsuit from businesses, residents: reports

“(T)his lawsuit is about the constitutional and other legal rights of plaintiffs – businesses, employees and residents in and around CHOP – which have been overrun by the city of Seattle’s unprecedented decision to abandon and close off an entire city neighborhood, leaving it unchecked by the police, unserved by fire and emergency health services and inaccessible to the public at large,” the lawsuit says

Meanwhile, one of those shot is reportedly trying to find lawyers to sue the police and paramedics who were cut off by the CHAZ warlord and his minnions.

https://twitter.com/jason_howerton/status/1275889670715510784?s=19 (https://twitter.com/jason_howerton/status/1275889670715510784?s=19)

Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: iam4liberty on June 26, 2020, 06:39:59 AM
There are only about two dozen rioters left in Chazistan.  Now the legit residents have come out of their homes to reclaim the neighborhood.  Think the residents are a wee bit tired with the invaders?  The rioters aren't so tough when the odds are equal, like one resident to five rioters.

https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1276110776256925696?s=09 (https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1276110776256925696?s=09)
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: Carver on June 26, 2020, 06:48:42 AM
There are only about two dozen rioters left in Chazistan.  Now the legit residents have come out of their homes to reclaim the neighborhood.  Think the residents are a wee bit tired with the invaders?  The rioters aren't so tough when the odds are equal, like one resident to five rioters.

https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1276110776256925696?s=09 (https://twitter.com/robbystarbuck/status/1276110776256925696?s=09)
Great!

Bethel Ohio residents stand up to invading protestors: (note most of BLM protesters are white women)
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/06/17/bethel-ohio-protests-black-lives-matter-meets-small-town-america/3207842001/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/06/17/bethel-ohio-protests-black-lives-matter-meets-small-town-america/3207842001/)
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: iam4liberty on June 26, 2020, 01:33:52 PM
https://www.foxnews.com/media/cleveland-business-owner-receiving-threats-for-cooperating-with-police-after-store-was-looted.amp (https://www.foxnews.com/media/cleveland-business-owner-receiving-threats-for-cooperating-with-police-after-store-was-looted.amp)
Owner of Ohio store ransacked by rioters says she's receiving threats for cooperating with police

An Ohio business owner told “Fox & Friends” on Monday that she is receiving threats for cooperating with law enforcement officials investigating the looting of her cupcake store last month.

Kelly Kandah, the owner of Colossal Cupcakes in Cleveland, which was destroyed by looters, said some of those threats include people telling her that when her store is rebuilt, “it’s going to get hit again.”
...
Kandah said her store was ransacked while she and four employees were hiding inside a locked bathroom of the store on May 30 during protests over the death of George Floyd in Minneapolis police custody. She said police saved her life that day.
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: iam4liberty on June 26, 2020, 02:49:08 PM
Comrades, we regret to inform you that our beloved Democratic Peoples Republic of Chazistan has fallen!

https://youtu.be/-h_kOJCZ5DQ (https://youtu.be/-h_kOJCZ5DQ)
LIVE - Seattle Police take back CHOP/CHAZ East Precinct Station
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: Carver on June 28, 2020, 08:14:46 AM
Examples of consequences of progressive anti-police attitude of Minneapolis city council and weak mayor.
https://youtu.be/qUcVIVaTYUU (https://youtu.be/qUcVIVaTYUU)

https://youtu.be/RiW7H3LF5xY (https://youtu.be/RiW7H3LF5xY)
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: iam4liberty on June 30, 2020, 06:07:11 PM
Remaining group of BLM/ANTIFA Chazistanians open fire on car of teenagers killing a 16 YO and seriously injuring a 14 YO.   Over 300 rounds were sprayed.  Just goes to show that black lives dont actually matter to BLM or ANTIFA.

http://diazhub.com/latest-stories/seattle-war-zone-new-footage-shows-chaos-inside-chop-on-night-teen-driving-a-jeep-was-shot-dead/ (http://diazhub.com/latest-stories/seattle-war-zone-new-footage-shows-chaos-inside-chop-on-night-teen-driving-a-jeep-was-shot-dead/)
http://diazhub.com/latest-stories/seattle-war-zone-new-footage-shows-chaos-inside-chop-on-night-teen-driving-a-jeep-was-shot-dead/

The clips, taken in the early hours of a Monday morning, show the bullet ridden vehicle in the moments after gunfire broke out

Witnesses had said the car had driven at speed through the zone. Medic Jackson said he recognized the two boys as youngsters who had been around the CHOP zone in the days prior to the shooting.

A second video shows people running through barricaded streets past tents. One person confirms there are people wounded in the zone as others shout out.
 
Neither victim has been named and no suspects are in custody. Police say the crime scene ‘had been disturbed’ and have pledged ‘enough is enough’ but not offered any details on if or how they plan to return to the area.

DailyMail.com has contacted both the police and the Mayor’s office on how they plan to deal with the area going forward.
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: iam4liberty on June 30, 2020, 06:33:11 PM
ANTIFA/BLM group 'Abolish the Present/Reconstruct the Future'' sets up guillotine outside Amazon CEO Jeff Bezo's home in DC.

https://www.fox5dc.com/news/protesters-set-up-guillotine-outside-of-jeff-bezos-dc-home.amp (https://www.fox5dc.com/news/protesters-set-up-guillotine-outside-of-jeff-bezos-dc-home.amp)
Protesters set up guillotine outside of Jeff Bezos’ DC home

https://www.rt.com/usa/493266-jeff-bezos-protest-guillotine-dc/ (https://www.rt.com/usa/493266-jeff-bezos-protest-guillotine-dc/)
VIDEO Activists set up guillotine outside Jeff Bezos' home, call for end to Amazon

“Amazon fired and racially slandered labor organizer Chris Smalls. Join us to tell Bezos enough is enough! END THE ABUSE AND PROFITEERING. ABOLISH THE POLICE, THE PRISONS, AND AMAZON,” the flyer continues.

(https://cdni.rt.com/files/2020.06/xxl/5efa0a9885f540747571d739.png)
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: iam4liberty on June 30, 2020, 08:07:45 PM
Homeowner who bore an AR15 to defend his family and home from violent BLM/ANTIFA mob speaks out for first time.  Oh, and one thing they dont mention in most news outlet, he is a lawyer who has specialized in helping struggling people, many from minority groups, and they moved back into city from suburbs to help save declining neighborhoods.  Now radical prosecutor is trying to destroy them.

https://youtu.be/CiIZTVuSUiY (https://youtu.be/CiIZTVuSUiY)
St. Louis man who went viral defending his property speaks out
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: iam4liberty on July 01, 2020, 08:30:07 PM
Leave it to the Chazistanians to make the case justifying police having heavy machinery. 

Also, it is very telling how BLM calls for their white rioters to throw themselves in front.  No arm-in-arm with them, it really Is "only BLM".

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eb2JUcMVcAAFGZv?format=jpg&name=small)

Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: iam4liberty on July 01, 2020, 09:43:40 PM
Father of one of the kids killed by BLM ANTIFA speaks out.  Noone ever reached out over the death of his son.   He was just a pawn whose life didnt matter to them or the politicians there.  Hospital on orders wouldnt even let him see his dead son for a week.  Shameful behavior, Seattle!

https://youtu.be/NORWxPQz0eI (https://youtu.be/NORWxPQz0eI)
Father of teen killed in Seattle’s CHOP has heartbreaking plea to the public
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: iam4liberty on July 08, 2020, 04:43:08 PM
Seattle reportedly spent hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars on reeducation 'camps' for white city workers. The segregated events were dubbed "Training on Internalized Racial Superiority for White People".  White employees were told they must give up “comfort,” “guaranteed physical safety,” “expectations or presumptions of emotional safety,” control "over the land,” and “relationships with some other white people.”  Also, they were told they had to give up “niceties from neighbors and colleagues,” “the certainty of your job,” and “accepting jobs and promotions".  “Internalized Racial Superiority,” was defined by perfectionism, individualism, intellectualization, and objectivity.   :jaw-drop:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/seattle-chop-segregated-training-session-white-supremacy-physical-safety.amp (https://www.foxnews.com/us/seattle-chop-segregated-training-session-white-supremacy-physical-safety.amp)
Seattle held 'segregated' training session on 'undoing whiteness,' encouraged staffers to forfeit 'guaranteed physical safety'

The City of Seattle held a racially segregated employee training session aimed at White staffers and instructing them on "undoing your own whiteness" in order to be held accountable by people of color, according to documents obtained by a public records request.

The session took place on June 12, as protesters took part in the so-called "Capitol Hill Organized Protest" in the Capitol Hill district.
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The name of the initial sender was redacted. Rufo claimed, “the City of Seattle has refused to provide the names of the diversity trainers, the budget for the program, or the video of the session.”
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One handout distributed in the session reportedly declared how “racism is not our fault but we are responsible." Another said White staffers must give up “the land” and their “guaranteed physical safety” in order to be an “accomplice” for racial justice.
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“We’ll examine our complicity in the system of white supremacy – how we internalize and reinforce it"
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Those who attended the session were also shown a datasheet titled “Assimilation into Whiteness,” which claimed to document how those of Arab, Jewish, Finnish, German, Italian, Armenian or Irish descent still classify as White.
...
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: Greekman on July 09, 2020, 04:42:34 AM
Why do i get the impression that this racial thing is been taken advantage to pulp people into a mass of stupid  neutered consumers?
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: iam4liberty on July 11, 2020, 06:53:54 PM
https://www.foxnews.com/media/seattle-police-union-leader-socialism-city-council-defunding-police-by-half.amp (https://www.foxnews.com/media/seattle-police-union-leader-socialism-city-council-defunding-police-by-half.amp)
Seattle police union leader: 'Socialist' city council holding 'reasonable majority' hostage

"Socialists" on Seattle's City Council are holding a "reasonable majority" of residents hostage by threatening to slash police spending by 50 percent, a union leader said Saturday.
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"If our reasonable community across this city, our state, and more importantly, our nation don't wake up ... crime will rise significantly, and over half, if not more, of the police jobs in our city will be eviscerated," Solan said.

"This is coming into your neighborhood if we don't wake up and stop this socialist threat immediately."
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Seattle Police Chief Carmen Best told "The Jason Rantz Show" on Friday that the council members who support defunding police don't have a real plan.

"All they have shown us is that they want to reduce the budget by 50 percent. I haven't seen any real planning in that. And, the real tragedy of doing that is that we will lose 1,100 employees," she said.
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"But sadly, this socialist city council controlled by a certain group of individuals that have the entire council, if not more importantly our ignored majority, hostage by their political antics, must be stopped."
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: iam4liberty on July 14, 2020, 08:36:00 AM
Unbelievable.  These BLM activists are psychopaths. I mean that in the clinical sense: "Psychopathy is traditionally a personality disorder characterized by persistent antisocial behavior, impaired empathy and remorse, and bold, disinhibited, and egotistical traits."

https://nypost.com/2020/07/12/daughter-of-killed-texas-cop-slammed-for-posting-bluelivesmatter/ (https://nypost.com/2020/07/12/daughter-of-killed-texas-cop-slammed-for-posting-bluelivesmatter/)
Daughter of Texas cop killed in ambush slammed for tweeting #bluelivesmatter
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: Docwatmo on July 14, 2020, 05:33:27 PM
Unbelievable.  These BLM activists are psychopaths. I mean that in the clinical sense: "Psychopathy is traditionally a personality disorder characterized by persistent antisocial behavior, impaired empathy and remorse, and bold, disinhibited, and egotistical traits."

This ^^^^^^  110%
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: iam4liberty on July 14, 2020, 07:00:57 PM
Politicians order LA police to allow BLM/ANTIFA rioters destroy police vehicles.  Funny how news wont cover and the social media companies are regularly removing the videos like this one:

https://youtu.be/8PVFv3F2OgQ (https://youtu.be/8PVFv3F2OgQ)
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: iam4liberty on July 14, 2020, 07:55:17 PM
Grandmother calls for justice for her 1YO baby grandchild shot and killed in BLM enabled violence.

https://nypost.com/2020/07/13/grandma-of-fatally-shot-nyc-baby-has-message-for-killers/ (https://nypost.com/2020/07/13/grandma-of-fatally-shot-nyc-baby-has-message-for-killers/)
Grandma of fatally shot NYC baby has message for ‘bastards’ responsible

“These a–holes need to stop shooting children, stop shooting innocent bystanders,” Samantha Gardner told The Post at her Bedford-Stuyvesant home. “This is only a baby, 1 year old, that didn’t even get a chance to start his life.

“They [are] talking about ‘Black Lives Matter,’ but black lives don’t matter because black people [are] trying to kill other black people. It needs to stop,” she added.

“I hope they catch the bastards and put them under the jail cell.”


(https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/07/davell-gardner-shooting-17.jpg?quality=90&strip=all)
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: iam4liberty on July 16, 2020, 07:59:52 AM
BLM/ANTIFA held "mostly peaceful" counter-protests where they distributed bats to beat clergy members, many African American, who were calling for peace and the end of killing police officers.  Police were ordered not to use force.

https://nypost.com/2020/07/15/nypd-chief-of-department-injured-during-brooklyn-protest/ (https://nypost.com/2020/07/15/nypd-chief-of-department-injured-during-brooklyn-protest/)
NYPD chief of department injured during protest on Brooklyn Bridge

“The officers sustained serious injuries. This is not peaceful protest, this will not be tolerated,” the department wrote
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activists “jumped off the walk onto the roadway” around 11 a.m.

“They said they did it peacefully. How do you do it peacefully when you have somebody swinging a cane?” Herbert said..


https://nypost.com/2020/07/16/protesters-got-shipment-of-bats-before-brooklyn-bridge-brawl-video/amp/ (https://nypost.com/2020/07/16/protesters-got-shipment-of-bats-before-brooklyn-bridge-brawl-video/amp/)
Video shows protesters get shipment of bats before Brooklyn Bridge brawl
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: iam4liberty on July 16, 2020, 07:16:39 PM
Police unions who previously endorsed Biden are switching to Trump after Biden's push to defund police.  Now Biden is trying to change position but noone buys it.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/joe-biden-defunding-police-dnc-xochitl-hinojosa.amp (https://www.foxnews.com/media/joe-biden-defunding-police-dnc-xochitl-hinojosa.amp)
DNC spokesperson insists Biden 'does not support defunding the police' after law enforcement group backs Trump
Biden previously said some police funds should 'absolutely' be redirected


On Wednesday, Trump received the endorsement of the National Association of Police Organizations (NAPO), which praised his “steadfast and very public support” for law enforcement. NAPO did not endorse a candidate in the 2016 election but endorsed former President Barack Obama and then-Vice President Biden in both the 2008 and 2012 elections.
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: iam4liberty on July 21, 2020, 01:52:18 PM
https://www.ktre.com/2020/07/21/mother-seattle-chop-victim-files-wrongful-death-claim-against-city/?outputType=amp (https://www.ktre.com/2020/07/21/mother-seattle-chop-victim-files-wrongful-death-claim-against-city/?outputType=amp)
Mother of Seattle CHOP victim files wrongful death claim against city

Donnitta Sinclair says her son, 19-year-old Lorenzo Sinclair, would be alive today if the city shut down the CHOP zone right away. He was gunned down in the zone in June.

“And I believe the city let me down, they let my son down, they let the community down,” Donnitta Sinclair said. “And they need to be responsible.”

Attorney Mark Lindquist says the city created a dangerous environment by allowing the zone to flourish.

“The city abandoned this area. And number two: the city had no safety plan in place for this abandoned area,” Lindquist said.
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With all the barricades and protesters, first responders struggled to get into the area and assist Lorenzo Sinclair. Instead, volunteers rushed him to the hospital where he late died.

“I felt like he was alone,” Donnitta Sinclair said.

No has been arrested in his death.
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: iam4liberty on August 07, 2020, 07:16:07 PM
https://www.foxnews.com/media/ny-times-seattle-chop-zone-lawless.amp (https://www.foxnews.com/media/ny-times-seattle-chop-zone-lawless.amp)
NYT destroys liberal narrative of Seattle’s 'Autonomous Zone,' describes 'harrowing' scene for businesses

The Times spoke with a local business owner who had heard the area had a “block party atmosphere,” which Seattle Mayor Jenny Durkan famously said on CNN.

“But that was not what he saw through the windows of his Seattle coffee shop. He saw encampments overtaking the sidewalks. He saw roving bands of masked protesters smashing windows and looting,” the Times reported, noting the man saw “young white men wielding guns.”

The area was celebrated by liberal lawmakers and pundits until it turned deadly, even though President Trump and pundits on the right had declared the area unsafe from the beginning. The protest coincided with nationwide calls to “defund the police,” but local business owners don’t seem to think that’s a good idea any longer.

“Business crashed as the Seattle police refused to respond to calls to the area. Officers did not retake the region until July 1, after four shootings, including two fatal ones,” the Times reported, noting that local businesses owners are now suing the city.
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: iam4liberty on August 07, 2020, 07:57:12 PM
Police have been cancelled:

https://youtu.be/6XqU6FZuSTM (https://youtu.be/6XqU6FZuSTM)
Pelosi, Schumer Dump 'Police' from Coronavirus Remarks After George Floyd Protests
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: iam4liberty on August 08, 2020, 04:20:04 PM
Police tell their stories of the Portland riots.  Well worth the watch.

https://youtu.be/wMe2hou_sgE (https://youtu.be/wMe2hou_sgE)
'The most horrific displays of hate I've ever seen' - Portland police describe the protests

Raw interview: Three members of the Portland Police Bureau spoke to the media on Thursday afternoon to share personal experiences while working the front lines of Portland protests.
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: David in MN on August 09, 2020, 04:39:39 PM
Some truckers are refusing to deliver to cities that defund the police. While I'm doubtful it will be widespread it's worth noting that there could be some supply chain and distribution hiccups caused because it's being considered a safety issue.
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: iam4liberty on August 12, 2020, 08:06:18 AM
The only sane public official left there is reportedly retiring and leaving state.

https://abcnews4.com/amp/news/nation-world/chief-best-announces-retirement-from-police-department-after-city-council-approves-cuts (https://abcnews4.com/amp/news/nation-world/chief-best-announces-retirement-from-police-department-after-city-council-approves-cuts)
Seattle Police Chief Carmen Best retiring amid discord with City Council

Hours after Seattle police Chief Carmen Best announced her retirement, Mayor Jenny Durkan lashed out at the City Council Tuesday morning following its decision Monday to defund her department by 14 percent.
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"It's not about the money, it's about the respect," said Durkan, who said the council tellingly did not cut the salaries of any other municipal department heads or its own staff. "It was infuriating and deeply disappointing."

Durkan's remarks came after Best announced her decision to the city during an 11 a.m. news conference in which she thanked the mayor, her staff, the city and its residents.
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: iam4liberty on August 16, 2020, 06:51:57 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8633065/amp/Seattle-Police-officer-tells-protester-hes-quitting-department-Black-Lives-Matter.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8633065/amp/Seattle-Police-officer-tells-protester-hes-quitting-department-Black-Lives-Matter.html)
'I'm leaving, you guys won': Moment furious Seattle cop tells activist he's quitting because of constant unrest caused by BLM protests - just days after city's Chief of Police resigned over huge budget cut
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: iam4liberty on August 17, 2020, 10:47:58 AM
New York is collapsing with the defunding of the police.

https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2020/08/16/nypd-investigating-dozens-of-shootings-as-violent-weekend-continues/amp/ (https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2020/08/16/nypd-investigating-dozens-of-shootings-as-violent-weekend-continues/amp/)
NYPD Investigating Dozens Of Shootings During What Was An Extremely Violent Weekend

Fear is growing in neighborhoods across New York City as gun violence climbs.

The NYPD said Sunday over the previous 24 hours there had been at least 20 shooting incidents, resulting in 23 people injured and five deaths.

Year to date, police said the number of shootings are way up. As of Aug. 15, there have been 888 shooting incidents. In 2019, there were about half that amount — 488 incidents.
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Just Saturday, an off-duty correction officer was killed. The 28-year-old was leaving a party in Queens, and overnight a 47-year-old man was gunned down in Brooklyn. He was a father of two, CBS2’s Dave Carlin reported.
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Also Saturday morning, police said the suspect seen in a surveillance vieo shot and wounded a man in Grand Central Terminal, on a subway platform. A bullet struck the arm of the 40-year-old victim.

It has been a summer of gun violence. This weekend, police also put out newly obtained video from earlier shooting cases. One is from the morning of Aug. 2 on Lenox Avenue in Harlem. It shows two men firing at a car.

And new video shows a man firing several shots into a home along Bryant Avenue in the Morrisania section of the Bronx on the night of June 15.

Former NYPD lieutenant and criminal justice professor Darrin Porcher blames the defunding of the police and failed leadership from the de Blasio administration about how to arrest suspects as main reasons for the continued violence.

“The city is under siege. We’ve had multiple shootings just over this weekend alone. We’ve far eclipsed the number of shootings for the last two years in this year, 2020, alone,” Porcher told CBS2’s Lisa Rozner. “We need to have that manpower in place and what it’s going to require is a greater amount of overtime.”
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: iam4liberty on August 18, 2020, 08:03:11 AM
So this is interesting.  in response to defunding, police are retiring in droves and moving out of these cities and states to freer areas.  This means they dont pay taxes to the places they have retired from yet those places have to accelerate pension payments.  Net effect is that the police exodus will likely end up collapsing the cash flow of all these places.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/chicago-police-retiring-twice-normal-rate-report.amp (https://www.foxnews.com/us/chicago-police-retiring-twice-normal-rate-report.amp)
Chicago police are retiring at twice the normal rate: report

Police in Chicago have been retiring at twice the usual rate recently, a trend that some officials believe is likely to continue and could leave the city streets short of officers.

At least 110 police officers are retiring in August and September, and retirements in 2020 are projected to be higher than the past couple of years, said Michael Lappe, vice president of the board of trustees for the Policemen’s Annuity and Benefit Fund of Chicago.

“That’s unheard of,” Lappe told the Chicago Sun-Times. “We’re seeing double the average number of retirees each month.”
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Chicago 9th Ward Alderman Anthony Beale said he noticed the recent trend during a meeting last week.

“From the time I walked in to police headquarters to the time I left, which was about 35 minutes, there were nine or 10 officers who approached me and said they were leaving,” he told the paper. “Every person who walked past me said, ‘Hey, Beale, I’m out of here.’"
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“We’re way short of officers now, and I’m afraid, as people go to retire, we’re going to be even further short of officers on the street,” he continued. “We’re working officers double-time, triple-time. It’s only a matter of time before officers are totally burned out.”

Protests, skirmishes, and riots within the past couple of weeks in Chicago have seen at least 30 officers injured, according to reports.
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Lappe added that a sustained wave of retirements in Chicago could potentially harm the financial health of the pension system, adding that 850 more retirees were drawing from it compared to those working on active duty.
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: iam4liberty on August 18, 2020, 10:29:36 PM
Kimberly Klacik's run is a very pleasant unintended consequence of BLM/defund police rhetoric!

https://youtu.be/7S_Xl2eOeeY (https://youtu.be/7S_Xl2eOeeY)

Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: iam4liberty on September 03, 2020, 11:28:52 AM
The first step in ending "systemic" racism in policing is apparently driving all minority police officers from leadership positions. Makes perfect sense. Maybe we need a Black Jobs Matter campaign?

https://www.foxnews.com/us/seattle-police-chief-carmen-best-steps-down-claims-cuts-left-her-destined-to-fail.amp (https://www.foxnews.com/us/seattle-police-chief-carmen-best-steps-down-claims-cuts-left-her-destined-to-fail.amp)
Seattle Police Chief Carmen Best steps down, claims cuts left her 'destined to fail'

Carmen Best, the first Black police chief in Seattle's history, left her post Wednesday, saying on her way out that the city council's police budget cuts had put her in a "position destined to fail," according to a report.
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"I believe 100% that they were putting me in a position destined to fail. Cutting a police department that already had low staffing numbers, that was already struggling to keep up with the demand," Best told NPR on Wednesday. "How are we going to provide for adequate public safety in that environment?"
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: iam4liberty on September 08, 2020, 03:27:02 PM
More experienced African American police officers resign.  This time the entire chain of command in Rochester left.

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/daniel-prude-death-rochester-police-chief-laron-singletary-retires/#app (https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/daniel-prude-death-rochester-police-chief-laron-singletary-retires/#app)
Rochester police chief resigns after Daniel Prude's death sparks days of protests

The police chief in Rochester, New York, announced his retirement Tuesday
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Singletary issued a statement saying he was retiring because he would not "sit idly by while outside entities attempt to destroy my character. The events over the past week are an attempt to destroy my character and integrity."

"The mischaracterization and the politicization of the actions that I took after being informed of Mr. Prude's death is not based on facts, and is not what I stand for," he added.
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: iam4liberty on September 12, 2020, 08:23:52 AM
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/austin-texas-defund-police-billboard-i-35/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/austin-texas-defund-police-billboard-i-35/)
Texas police group puts up billboard warning "enter at your own risk," saying Austin defunded police
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: iam4liberty on September 16, 2020, 06:54:05 PM
What absolute clowns.   :facepalm:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/minneapolis-city-council-alarmed-by-surge-in-crime-months-after-voting-to-defund-the-police.amp (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/minneapolis-city-council-alarmed-by-surge-in-crime-months-after-voting-to-defund-the-police.amp)
Minneapolis City Council alarmed by surge in crime months after voting to defund the police
Minneapolis Police Department’s crime data shows a rise in assaults, robberies and homicides


Minneapolis City Council members, who just two months ago moved to eliminate the police department, sounded the alarm during a Wednesday meeting about a surge in crime seen by their constituents.

Council members pressed police Chief Medaria Arradondo about the uptick in crimes that included daylight carjackings, robberies, assaults, shootings and street racing.

“Residents are asking, ‘Where are the police?’” said Council Member Jamal Osman, noting that constituents' calls to the Minneapolis Police Department have gone unanswered. "That is the only public safety option they have at the moment. MPD. They rely on MPD. And they are saying they are nowhere to be seen.”
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Arradondo said about 100 officers have left the department or have taken a leave of absence since the start of the year, which is more than double the typical number of officers who either step down from the department or are inactive that year, MPR reported.

In July, the council took several steps toward dismantling the city's police department, including approving an amendment to remove $1 million from the police department and reallocate it toward the health department to hire "violence interrupters" who are intended to defuse potentially violent situations.
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: fritz_monroe on September 17, 2020, 04:49:47 PM
Wait, you mean that the police may be useful for something?

But don't worry, the city council is at little risk of violence.  The police that are left, I'm sure are guarding the  areas that the council members live in.
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: iam4liberty on September 17, 2020, 06:58:51 PM
Wait, you mean that the police may be useful for something?

But don't worry, the city council is at little risk of violence.  The police that are left, I'm sure are guarding the  areas that the council members live in.

Until when one of them is a trojan antifa terrorist and uses the position to bypass security. They better wake up because just like the French revolution, they are second on the list for a close haircut.

https://www.chron.com/local/seattlenews/article/judge-hears-arguments-in-sawant-recall-petition-15571964.php (https://www.chron.com/local/seattlenews/article/judge-hears-arguments-in-sawant-recall-petition-15571964.php)
Judge rules recall petition against Seattle City Councilmember Kshama Sawant can move forward

King County Superior Judge Jim Rogers ruled Wednesday afternoon that a recall effort against Seattle City Councilmember Kshama Sawant can move forward.
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The recall charge, filed by petitioner Ernest Lou, alleged Sawant had "used her position in violation of the law or has recklessly undermined the safety of others"
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(1) Delegated city employment decisions to a political organization outside city government.

(2) Used city resources to support a ballot initiative and failed to comply with public disclosure requirements related such support.

(3) Disregarded state orders related to COVID-19 and endangered the safety of city workers and other individuals by admitting hundreds of people into city hall on June 9, 2020, when it was closed to the public.

(4) Used her official position to encourage attendees at a June 28, 2020 rally to illegally occupy the Seattle Police Department East Precinct when the city was trying to de-escalate violence in the area.

(5) Led a protest march to Mayor Jenny Durkan’s private residence, the location of which Sawant knows is protected under state confidentiality laws.

(6) Encouraged protestors to occupy the Seattle Police Department East Precinct and helped create the Capitol Hill Occupation Protest (CHOP) Zone which turned into a violent criminal environment that negatively impacted local businesses and residents.
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: David in MN on September 19, 2020, 11:28:54 AM
What absolute clowns.   :facepalm:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/minneapolis-city-council-alarmed-by-surge-in-crime-months-after-voting-to-defund-the-police.amp (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/minneapolis-city-council-alarmed-by-surge-in-crime-months-after-voting-to-defund-the-police.amp)
Minneapolis City Council alarmed by surge in crime months after voting to defund the police
Minneapolis Police Department’s crime data shows a rise in assaults, robberies and homicides


Minneapolis City Council members, who just two months ago moved to eliminate the police department, sounded the alarm during a Wednesday meeting about a surge in crime seen by their constituents.

Council members pressed police Chief Medaria Arradondo about the uptick in crimes that included daylight carjackings, robberies, assaults, shootings and street racing.

“Residents are asking, ‘Where are the police?’” said Council Member Jamal Osman, noting that constituents' calls to the Minneapolis Police Department have gone unanswered. "That is the only public safety option they have at the moment. MPD. They rely on MPD. And they are saying they are nowhere to be seen.”
...
Arradondo said about 100 officers have left the department or have taken a leave of absence since the start of the year, which is more than double the typical number of officers who either step down from the department or are inactive that year, MPR reported.

In July, the council took several steps toward dismantling the city's police department, including approving an amendment to remove $1 million from the police department and reallocate it toward the health department to hire "violence interrupters" who are intended to defuse potentially violent situations.


The galling thing is that it is largely not being reported. The north and south parts of the city now have European style "no go zones" and the city council took police protection from the poorest of the poor. Yet even most conservative news sources leave Minneapolis off the list of "crazy cities".

It has me wondering how bad Seattle and Portland are. If Minneapolis gets the "nothing to see here" treatment as every crime metric has skyrocketed and the city descends to lawlessness they must be way more off the rails than is being reported.
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: iam4liberty on September 22, 2020, 03:18:46 PM
But don't worry, the city council is at little risk of violence.  The police that are left, I'm sure are guarding the  areas that the council members live in.

Apparently if you are a 'defund the police' celeb, you get helicopter service!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8756911/amp/Defund-police-activist-Alyssa-Milano-sparks-massive-police-presence-calling-911.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8756911/amp/Defund-police-activist-Alyssa-Milano-sparks-massive-police-presence-calling-911.html)
EXCLUSIVE: 'Defund the police' activist Alyssa Milano calls 911 sparking massive police presence in her quiet California neighborhood claiming an armed an gunman was on her property - but it was really a teen shooting at squirrels with an air gun

Actress Alyssa Milano called police when she believed an armed gunman was on her Bell Canyon property in California on Sunday morning

At least seven Ventura County Sheriffs' vehicles, one K-9 unit, a police helicopter and one Los Angeles Fire Department team sat down the street on standby

DailyMail.com obtained exclusive photos showing the first responders coming to the aid of the actress and activist who is pro defunding the police
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: iam4liberty on October 01, 2020, 12:34:09 PM
Seattle's anti-justice policies dont help anyone, including the criminals.

https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/seattle-murder-suspect-found-dead-in-tank-full-of-bleach/ (https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/seattle-murder-suspect-found-dead-in-tank-full-of-bleach/)
Seattle murder suspect arrested and released more than 34 times found dead in tank full of bleach

Murder suspect Travis Berge had racked up over 100 police contacts, dozens of civil infractions, and 47 criminal cases, one an attempted rape, in the five years he lived in Seattle.

On September 18, he was found dead at the bottom of a 10-foot deep tank filled with 50 gallons of a 12% bleach solution.
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Earlier in the day, the fire department and police were called to Cal Anderson Park, near the former, now-infamous, “CHOP zone” to tend to an “unresponsive female” found in a makeshift shelter there.

Their efforts were unsuccessful. She was pronounced dead at the scene, victim of a homicide. Witnesses on the scene explained that the woman and Berge had a domestic relationship. Initial observations indicate she was beaten to death.
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Police were then made aware that someone had broken into the pump house on the west side of the park. They went to the location, where they found Berge. He barricaded himself inside, and a four hour long standoff ensued.

After a SWAT team arrived, police entered the building and discovered Berge’s body at the bottom of a tank filled with 50 gallons of bleach, used to treat the city’s drinking water supply.

Thus ended the criminal career and reign of terror imposed on the people of Seattle by Travis Berge. Significantly, the criminal courts and justice system in Seattle had nothing to do with it.


Background:

https://thenewamerican.com/seattle-is-dying-radical-progressivism-is-the-reason/ (https://thenewamerican.com/seattle-is-dying-radical-progressivism-is-the-reason/)
Seattle Is Dying: Radical “Progressivism” Is the Reason

One of the most disturbing parts of Seattle Is Dying is Johnson’s street interview with Travis Berge, one of Seattle’s most notorious, in-your-face criminals. Berge, identified as a 34-year-old “musician” and methamphetamine abuser from Reno, has been arrested numerous times for disturbing the peace, theft, attempted rape, assault on police officers, resisting arrest, and more. The program shows incidents from police body cams of various encounters where officers are attempting to arrest a violent and obviously high Berge, who screams, rages, spits on them, and attempts to bite them. During the interview, Berge is not only completely unapologetic about his criminal behavior, he is absolutely ebullient, ecstatic even, upon hearing that he rates among the Top 100 of the city’s most infamous offenders. He openly admits that he steals to feed his drug habit and says he tries to use meth “at least once a day.” Asked if he will continue his disruptive behavior, Berge exclaims, “Oh, I’m having a blast now. It’s so much fun!” He praises the so-called criminal justice system of Seattle. “They’ve really, like, exalted me,” he says, “and shown deference and love towards me.” Then, in a statement that indicts the city’s governing leaders even more than do the complaints of its citizens and police officers, Berge says: “I don’t feel like I’ll ever be arrested again. I haven’t been in jail for like a year and three months or so, you know.” All of this, he cheerfully explains, “definitely shows that I have conquered the criminal justice system.”

The People’s Republic of Seattle, Home of Lenin
This is what progressivism looks like: crime, filth, decay, drugs, homelessness, hopelessness. It is a depressing syndrome that is engulfing all the cities with which Seattle vies to prove itself the “bluest of the blue.”
Title: Re: effects of the protest/riots/anti police rhetoric
Post by: iam4liberty on October 16, 2020, 06:45:34 AM
https://mynorthwest.com/2236407/rantz-seattle-police-exodus/amp/ (https://mynorthwest.com/2236407/rantz-seattle-police-exodus/amp/)
At least 118 Seattle police officers left department in mass exodus

At least 118 Seattle police officers separated from the department, the Jason Rantz Show on KTTH has confirmed. In September alone, 39 officers left the force when the typical number for that month is between 5 and 7. Even new recruits are leaving.
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lowest it’s been in a decade. And even this number is misleading. Many officers are using their accrued sick time as they begin their escape to other agencies or wait for retirement.
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At the same time, a developing and alarming side note: the Seattle Police Department withheld staffing numbers, ignoring a public disclosure request.
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the bulk leaving after the Seattle City Council embraced radical activists pushing to defund the police
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While council members either stayed quiet as criminal activists attempted to murder police or defended death threats, officers gave their notice. Some went to other departments, others retired. The downward trend is expected to continue.