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Title: Need Pellet Gun recommendation for racoon
Post by: Smurf Hunter on June 06, 2013, 01:10:41 PM
Last night around 11pm my dogs went nuts.  I let them out back and they chased what looked like a 20lbs. racoon from my compost bin up my fence.  The damn thing sat up there hissing for 10 minutes while my dogs attempted to reach it.

I live in a fairly dense suburban neighborhood, so discretion is critical.  I grabbed my 9 year old son's Red Ryder BB gun and started squeezing off shots.  I knew the RR was loaded, as I could hear the BBs rattle, but I didn't think any were shooting, as the racoon didn't react at all.  Then I aimed the gun at a soda pop can on our patio table and shot through both sides and knocked the can over.

This racoon was getting hit repeatedly from the Red Ryder, but DID NOT care. 

Now, I don't need to necessarily kill the thing, but I want to hurt it enough so it doesn't want to hang out.

To summarize my requirements:

1) quiet - possibly achieved by using heavier/slower pellets?
2) afforable < $150 w/o optics
3) accuracy isn't critical, but this can't be a toy.  I need at hit a cat sized animal repeatedly inside of 50 yards
4) possibly scope recommendations, but within my small backyard I can make due with decent open sights.

Also, any ammo/pellet recommendations.  I presume .177 cal is the style I'd look at.
Title: Re: Need Pellet Gun recommendation for racoon
Post by: CharlesH on June 06, 2013, 02:03:42 PM
For a couple reasons I'll steer you away from shooting the critter.  First, I'm not comfortable shooting to wound in order to run something off.  It sounds like your neighborhood precludes the use of a .22, which is what I would use here on the farm.  Raccoons can sit still through a lot of pain, but that doesn't mean we should inflict it on them to run them off, in my opinion.  Second, even with a .177 pellet gun (yes, you were right on the caliber), I'm not sure how confident you can be in the suburbs about what is behind your target.  You don't want to chip someone's window or windshield.
 
For these reasons I suggest a live trap.  If you catch it, don't drive it to the country and release it.   Raccoons are as big a pest to us as they are to folks in the suburbs.  I would either turn it in to animal control or drown it in the trap and bury the corpse. Some of your decision process here will be dictated by what is legal in your area and what you are comfortable with.  Good luck!  I hate raccoons...
Title: Re: Need Pellet Gun recommendation for racoon
Post by: Smurf Hunter on June 06, 2013, 02:09:53 PM
Good point about "Know your target and what is beyond."  I wouldn't be comfortable shooting a .22lr in my neighborhood.

While my neighborhood is rather dense, within a mile are many properties with horses and other livestock.  Basically on the outer edge of a metro area.

On a related note, I've had to shoo off stubborn wood peckers from a willow tree in my yard.  The Daisy RR doesn't permanently end that problem either.
Title: Re: Need Pellet Gun recommendation for racoon
Post by: theBINKYhunter on June 06, 2013, 02:42:18 PM
check out http://www.flyingdragonairrifles.org/

mike owns the place and will help you out over the phone to tell you what you need. i got a xisico x25 (22cal) from him and love it. his customer service is superb and he offers options for trigger upgrades and tunes. i got mine with the custom trigger for $140 shipped. nice fiber optic sights on it as well, easy to see.

my biggest problem is learning to shoot it because it's a springer, you can't hold it like a centerfire.
Title: Re: Need Pellet Gun recommendation for racoon
Post by: LibertyBelle on June 06, 2013, 02:55:26 PM
The last raccoon that showed up here, son blasted it with water from the garden hose (we have pretty high water pressure), and that was last year.  Whatever you do, keep your house pups away from it, as a raccoon can really tear a dog up if it gets to it. Even experienced coonhounds are not immune from a coon's viciousness when cornered/threatened.
Title: Re: Need Pellet Gun recommendation for racoon
Post by: Thox Spuddy on June 06, 2013, 03:17:39 PM
For quietness a nitro piston is supposed to be the best, but the problem with an air rifle is you only have one shot. Check this out: http://www.airforceairguns.com/ (http://www.airforceairguns.com/)
Title: Re: Need Pellet Gun recommendation for racoon
Post by: inbox485 on June 06, 2013, 03:39:18 PM
Anything .22 rated 850 fps or higher. Nitro piston or PCP will be the quietest option. Benjamin Trail is my recommendation for cheap but decent. Look into PCP if you have the cash to blow on it.
Title: Re: Need Pellet Gun recommendation for racoon
Post by: OldDog45 on June 06, 2013, 09:05:29 PM
If you don't want to kill it, use a paint ball gun. One of the simi auto's should do the trick.
Make sure you put the paint balls in the fridge over night to stiffen them up. They are not to expensive at wall mart. The paint balls are cheep.

Hope this helps,

OD
Title: Re: Need Pellet Gun recommendation for racoon
Post by: Scottman on June 06, 2013, 10:32:03 PM
Nitro piston is better then a springer but the maruader is more quieter then both. A 22 with a long barrel can perform the duty, the longer the barrel the quieter the shot. A cz ultra lux or a 10/22 with a 29 inch barrel is good. A 22 cci cb short of cci cb long will not penetrate a coon skull at point blank. If you can go for soft targets, from the throad into the vitals is good, or right behind the front shoulder. If the coon is up in a tree try to go under the ribs below the sternum into the vitals.
Title: Re: Need Pellet Gun recommendation for racoon
Post by: David in MN on June 07, 2013, 05:24:56 AM
We use bows. In a populated area folks don't seem to mind them as much. And they are silent. I'm no expert in air rifles so I won't comment there.
Title: Re: Need Pellet Gun recommendation for racoon
Post by: theBINKYhunter on June 07, 2013, 08:15:09 AM
We use bows. In a populated area folks don't seem to mind them as much. And they are silent. I'm no expert in air rifles so I won't comment there.

see, i've thought about going for a bow for this very reason, but i don't think i have the patience to learn, and i don't think i would enjoy bow hunting at all. i would like to try it though, i might be completely wrong.
Title: Re: Need Pellet Gun recommendation for racoon
Post by: inbox485 on June 07, 2013, 08:23:50 AM
Bows are a thought. They seem to be less "scary", but they are IMO more hazardous in suburbia. Arrows bounce and skip and have a lot of momentum to keep going. Featherweight lead pellets on the other hand not so much. Either could be used safety if you get familiar with them. As far as noise, by nitro piston is about as loud as a hand clap.
Title: Re: Need Pellet Gun recommendation for racoon
Post by: theBINKYhunter on June 07, 2013, 08:25:40 AM
yeah, my springer is pretty loud, i dare say a touch louder than my 22, but i've yet to have someone complain when i'm target shooting in my back yard.
Title: Re: Need Pellet Gun recommendation for racoon
Post by: David in MN on June 07, 2013, 08:39:40 AM
see, i've thought about going for a bow for this very reason, but i don't think i have the patience to learn, and i don't think i would enjoy bow hunting at all. i would like to try it though, i might be completely wrong.

Trust me. Buy a bow and your guns will feel neglected. Compounds are easy to learn and fun to shoot. My wife and I go to the archery range together and prefer it to the gun range. It's just a blast.

Sorry to go off topic...
Title: Re: Need Pellet Gun recommendation for racoon
Post by: Crazy Fox on June 07, 2013, 09:09:17 AM
Whatever you do, keep your house pups away from it, as a raccoon can really tear a dog up if it gets to it. Even experienced coonhounds are not immune from a coon's viciousness when cornered/threatened.

Very true. A normal (not rabid) mother raccoon just about killed my parent's little dog one summer.

Regarding possible deterrents, how about bear spray? If wind/distance are an issue or you don't mind inflicting some damage on the animal, how about a slingshot with heavy steel shot like this?:

http://www.slingshots.com/html/ammunition-sa375.html
Title: Re: Need Pellet Gun recommendation for racoon
Post by: Smurf Hunter on June 07, 2013, 10:57:39 AM
I do in fact have a youth model 20lbs. recurve bow I got my kids the past Christmas.   So far I struggle to shoot minute of paper plate at 20 yards, but it's a bit fun.

Maybe I need to step up my archery practice...
Title: Re: Need Pellet Gun recommendation for racoon
Post by: soupbone on June 07, 2013, 04:01:20 PM
I would not recommend any "normal" pellet gun for a raccoon. First of all, as mentioned above, if you shoot it with a bb or low power pellet gun, you might wound it slightly to the point where the wounds get infected and the animal dies a slow, painful death. I cannot morally justify that. Secondly, if you shoot the coon with something like that, you just might piss it off. Then, you will have a fight on your hands (think a transistorized grizzly bear). Damn well better have a "Plan B"!

A neighbor of mine found that out the hard way a number of years ago - his kids were out playing in the back yard when they were threatened by a sick coon. He shot it with a springer (after calling his kids inside) and it crawled into a brush pile. He asked for my help - it took a 125 grain +P+ softpoint at close range to put it down. Not something I'd care to do again.

Your best bet would probably be to call in your local Animal Control folks, both from the effectiveness and legal and safety standpoint.

soupbone
Title: Re: Need Pellet Gun recommendation for racoon
Post by: Samuel Fairlane on June 07, 2013, 04:25:14 PM
If you have a good back stop I would use a .22 will sub sonic rounds. They pretty much sound like a fart in the wind. The only powder in the round is the primer.
Title: Re: Need Pellet Gun recommendation for racoon
Post by: Thox Spuddy on June 07, 2013, 10:08:48 PM
This topic should actually be about how to control racoons, which would attract pest control interests instead of pellet gun interests. I have a friend that set a trap every single night for coon and every single day he caught one and shot it until he figured out that this could go on forever as when one coon bites the dust the community moves in to take up the vacuum. Kind of like taking out a gang member in Chicago. I suggest you forget about trying to eliminate them and look for another solution. And you pellet guys, don't shoot crows!
Title: Re: Need Pellet Gun recommendation for racoon
Post by: Scottman on June 08, 2013, 06:04:43 PM
so it's a never ending food source?
Title: Re: Need Pellet Gun recommendation for racoon
Post by: Thox Spuddy on June 08, 2013, 07:32:12 PM
Not for me. http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/275829 (http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/275829)
Substitute pork maybe. http://www.backwoodsbound.com/zracoon.html (http://www.backwoodsbound.com/zracoon.html)
Title: Re: Need Pellet Gun recommendation for racoon
Post by: armymars on June 09, 2013, 11:52:26 AM
I like the idea of pepper spray myself. You can also try moth balls around the food source. I wonder if something sprayed on the food source to make it taste bad would work.
Title: Re: Need Pellet Gun recommendation for racoon
Post by: Crazy Fox on June 09, 2013, 01:42:44 PM
I wonder if something sprayed on the food source to make it taste bad would work.

That could work, here's a method:

http://thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/index.php?topic=43636.msg483492;boardseen#new

It's mentioned as a way to repel squirrels from a food source, but it will work on any mammal.
Title: Re: Need Pellet Gun recommendation for racoon
Post by: chickchoc on June 09, 2013, 04:46:53 PM
Speaking of repelling animals, I've discovered a product called Mole Max which is a castor oil granule.  It not only got rid of a colony of moles in my garden and yard, even the rabbits won't go near where it was spread!  I don't know if raccoons are as sensitive, but it's worth a try.
Title: Re: Need Pellet Gun recommendation for racoon
Post by: theadob on June 10, 2014, 05:57:47 PM
Ive used my Gamo 1250fps .177 pellet gun to kill several racoons and skunks in my neighborhood back yard.  Just killed a skunk in my chicken coop two weeks ago.  One shot, one kill every time.  Ive even killed big groundhogs.
Title: Re: Need Pellet Gun recommendation for racoon
Post by: strangetanks on June 10, 2014, 08:09:53 PM
You can absolutely take out a raccoon with an air rifle and your neighbors will never know. 

All these people that are talking about spraying them with hoses and all this non-sense never had then coming around in the middle of the night and messing things up.

First of all, get rid of the daisy and invest at leat $150.00 in a springer air rifle.  Get yourself a tin of 500 pellets and shoot them.  Then go after the raccoon one night.

Its crazy to me that the same folks that would tell you to save up 5000 rounds of ammo will tell you to just pick up and air rifle and take out an animal without practice.  Head shot and you'll be all good, watch a couple vids on dispatching small game if you make a less than perfect shot.  Or you can use a havaheart type trap and dispatch it with the air rifle.

Don't use the daisy for that, I've been there, it was essentially the horrible experience shooting a maimed squirrel over and over that made me invest in a better gun.

I would under no circumstances shoot any kind of bow in any sort of populated area, unless you know exactly where that arrow will land.  If you want to piss a neighbor off supremely let them find one of your arrows on their property.  If you want to piss a neighbor off beyond the point of reason, let them find a raccoon on their property with one of your arrows in it. 

I hunt small game with rubber small game points that are meant to work like a baseball bat and always pointed close to the ground or with stuff behind the critters.
Title: Re: Need Pellet Gun recommendation for racoon
Post by: armymars on June 11, 2014, 07:20:07 AM
I have a BSA I like very much. A good gun for the price. I don't know if it has enough power for a racoon. My Quckinbush would work ( 36 cal./ 125 gr bullit at 634 fps ) , but they make too much noise. I have been looking at some pre charged air guns from Dragion Guns(????). That look nice.
Title: Re: Need Pellet Gun recommendation for racoon
Post by: Scottman on June 17, 2014, 04:15:42 PM
The PCP guns from benjamin would fit the bill.
Title: Re: Need Pellet Gun recommendation for racoon
Post by: FreeLancer on June 17, 2014, 04:40:05 PM
The PCP guns from benjamin would fit the bill.

Indeed.  The 25-cal Marauder has serious power, it's quiet, and follow-up shots are a bolt throw away.  But it's a beast, and not very cheap, when compared to a 10/22.
Title: Re: Need Pellet Gun recommendation for racoon
Post by: blademan on June 17, 2014, 07:27:41 PM
OK, one, .177 is not the caliber to use for this. 2, kill it or use a non ballistic non lethal solution.
 You need too use something that will either kill it with one shot or injure it to the point that you get the chance for  follow up shot to end it.
 To that end and meeting all your requirements other than not killing the animal, i have a few thing to recommend.

 Www.pyramydair.com

.25 cal minimum but good luck finding a larger caliber air gun new for your price range
Nitro piston or gas spring PCP is nice but more expensive and complex.
 No less than 600 fps advertised muzzle velocity.
 Open sights.
 Heavy ammo.
Close ange
 Head shot
Rear quartering shot
Know your backstop.
 
 
I said .25 minimum, .22 is a good choice but .25 is a freaking anchor. It's kills shit. The price difference is not a huge deal and there are .25 in your price range. They are generally a little more expensive than a .22 for the same model but seriously they are worth it.
Some people will say the ammo is harder to find and they are right, but it not hard to find. Hobby shops air gun shops, pyramydair.com , amazon etc are all places to find it.
 Good luck.
Non airgun solutions
.22 colibri rounds
.22 with a home made "compensator"
Crossbow
 Boar spear and a club.
Title: Re: Need Pellet Gun recommendation for racoon
Post by: Scottman on June 21, 2014, 05:02:35 PM
I haven't had the opportunity to test my 177 marauder on coon
Title: Re: Need Pellet Gun recommendation for racoon
Post by: Samuel Fairlane on July 11, 2014, 08:24:19 AM
These work for me. http://www.amazon.com/Duke-Dog-Proof-Coon-Trap/dp/B004949EIC/ref=pd_sbs_lg_5?ie=UTF8&refRID=11M3NYHTVHXJ6TRX3CBX

Put you some tuna fish in there and it's a sure thing. I put it on a stump where no other critter can mess with it.
Title: Re: Need Pellet Gun recommendation for racoon
Post by: faultlineliving on July 11, 2014, 09:09:25 PM
Used a CB 22 CAP. In a lever action Henry, its quieter than  .177 Gamo.  Energy of CB cap is about 30 lbs vs 7 - 8 lbs.  You can shoot them with a bow with a rubber tip, it should crush their skull. I like the 22, its quiet, and just works.  Plus you have backup rounds just in case the shot does penetrate well. 
Title: Re: Need Pellet Gun recommendation for racoon
Post by: haywoodGA on June 01, 2016, 01:50:38 PM
I saw a raccoon in my bird feeder about 3am one morning using my Digital Crosshairs 1000 night vision.  I thought it was no problem and did not shoot it thinking it was harmless, just filmed it with my system and used it a gun shows.  Everyone said, "you should of shot it". Silly me.  That coon started coming on my deck every night and crapping in one of my planters, in the same place, nasty and toxic.  Had to dispose of some thyme and lettuces plants that were ready to eat.  Solution, I got a driveway motion detector from Harbor Freight and put it near the bird feeder.  Put the chime in my bedroom.  When the raccoon showed up about 1am the chime went off and I go my Beeman .22 with night vision.  The one that crapped on the deck met his maker but others smaller ones seem to soon show up.  Get rid of them before they feel too comfortable near your home.
Title: Re: Need Pellet Gun recommendation for racoon
Post by: Carl on June 01, 2016, 03:01:24 PM
I would use a CB or BB cap in my 10-22 ,shoot from inside of your house ,and have the red ryder ready for when people visit.
Title: Re: Need Pellet Gun recommendation for racoon
Post by: Smurf Hunter on June 01, 2016, 05:03:05 PM
I would use a CB or BB cap in my 10-22 ,shoot from inside of your house ,and have the red ryder ready for when people visit.

Sounds like you've seen this rodeo before ;)
Title: Re: Need Pellet Gun recommendation for racoon
Post by: Carl on June 01, 2016, 06:12:02 PM
Sounds like you've seen this rodeo before ;)

Yes,but ,in my world they are part of the food chain.


I would get what ever pellet gun the rascal could handle.... :rofl:
Title: Re: Need Pellet Gun recommendation for racoon
Post by: blademan on September 13, 2016, 08:33:58 PM
Going through some old posts and found this one.  Have to imagine you solved this problem by now. But I realized my previous answer was a bit vague. In case you still have a need, i have a specific suggestion for this. I think it meets all your requirements.  It has open sights and comes with a scope. I cant comment on the scope. But it has thirty reviews and 24 of them are 4 or 5 star. .probably wont go through a skull unless you hit it in the eye, but a body shot should be no problem.

http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Hatsan_Edge_Air_Rifle_Vortex_Piston_Black/3724/7159