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Bio weapons viruses are probably going to be much worse at making people sick and spreading than natural viruses. All of these labs that exist everywhere are a real problem that we shouldn’t have to deal with. They should not be allowed though they claim they need them for research

WaPo:  Experts debunk fringe theory linking China’s coronavirus to weapons research

--- Quote ---Elsa Kania, a fellow at the Center for a New American Security, said that while Chinese officials had expressed public interest in the potential weaponization of biotechnology, a coronavirus would not be a useful weapon.

“Hypothetically, a bioweapon would be designed to be highly targeted in its effects, whereas since its outbreak the coronavirus is already on track to become widespread in China and worldwide,” she said.

Vipin Narang, a professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, wrote in a message on Twitter that a good bioweapon “in theory has high lethality but low, not [high], communicability” and that spreading such ideas would be “incredibly irresponsible.”
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--- Quote ---Late Tuesday, Hu Xijin, editor of the nationalistic Global Times newspaper, wrote that a conspiracy theory had emerged in China that the United States was responsible for the outbreak.
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 These experts of all sorts claim many things like what medicine to take or man made climate change but it's not always easy to discern for certain what the truth is and many of them clearly are biased based in their connections and profession. How can one tell for sure if something is a bioweapon or not or came from such a lab ?

 That article by the way you can't read without a wj subscription ..

I don't agree that a bioweapon would necessarily have to be targeted. It's also true that quarantine and martial law type situations would effect the general populace which could be the worst thing about it rather than the disease itself. Mega rich and powerful elites no doubt would not suffer from quarantine situations the way your average person would and it would give them excuses to destroy freedom etc

 A lab may also have various dangerous viruses that they have been modifying and then they get out by accident.

 I find the whole bio engineering / bio weapons programs to be pretty scary and a threat to the world. These facilities do not at all appear to be safe from accidental releases and you can find evidence of that happening, lax safety procedures and worse.

 I recall when contaminated vaccine material was found in eastern Europe years ago that had originated from the US but these things never get covered by the media. It was contaminated with something like live bird flu virus


China built a lab to study SARS and Ebola in Wuhan - and US biosafety experts warned in 2017 that a virus could 'escape' the facility that's become key in fighting the outbreak

The Wuhan National Biosafety Laboratory is the only lab in China designated for studying dangerous pathogens like SARS and Ebola

Ahead of its January 2018 opening, biosafety experts and scientists from the US expressed concerns that a virus could escape the lab

In 2004, a SARS virus 'leaked' from a lab in Beijing

Experts say the coronavirus that's infected more than 800 people mutated in animals and became capable of infecting humans at the Wuhan seafood market

But a 2017 article warned of the unpredictability of lab animals that scientists at the Wuhan lab intended to inject with viruses

Scientists warned in 2017 that a SARS-like virus could escape a lab set up that year in Wuhan, China, to study some of the most dangerous pathogens in the world.

Now, a SARS-like coronavirus has infected more than 800 there, spread to at least 10 other countries and killed 25 in Wuhan and nearby provinces.

China installed the first of a planned five to seven biolabs designed for maximum safety in Wuhan in 2017, for the purpose of studying the most high-risk pathogens, including the Ebola and the SARS viruses.

Tim Trevan, a Maryland biosafety consultant, told Nature that year, when the lab was on the cusp of opening, that he worried that China's culture could make the institute unsafe because 'structures where everyone feels free to speak up and openness of information are important.' 


--- Quote from: surfivor on January 29, 2020, 10:13:08 AM --- These experts of all sorts claim many things like what medicine to take or man made climate change but it's not always easy to discern for certain what the truth is and many of them clearly are biased based in their connections and profession. How can one tell for sure if something is a bioweapon or not or came from such a lab ?
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Unfortunately, absolute certainty is a luxury humans don’t have when planning for complex future potentialities, despite how hard we try.  Some outcomes are more certain than others and more often than not we’re stuck doing the best we can with what we have.  Anyone can be wrong, and some will be more predictably wrong than others, but certainty is more of a journey than a destination.

Mr. Bill:
I figure, all other things being equal, the simplest explanation is most likely to be true.

In this case, all other things aren't equal: the new virus has already been genetically sequenced and shown to be almost identical to a bat coronavirus.  If that's true, it narrows down the possible culprits.

SIMPLE EXPLANATION: The virus passed from bats to humans, possibly via other animals, all of which are sold alive in a food market where cross-infection between animal and human species is easy.  By typical viral mutation, it developed the ability to pass from human to human, just as many other viruses have been shown to have done in the past.

LESS-SIMPLE EXPLANATION: The Wuhan National Biosafety Laboratory was studying bat coronavirus (confirmed to be true by Dr Richard Ebright in the Washington Post article that Freelancer linked), and it escaped from the laboratory into human hosts.  Not impossible, but it adds a step of unnecessary complication, because the virus was already present in bat populations outside the lab.

COMPLICATED EXPLANATION: The virus was created by genetic engineering, and released accidentally or intentionally.  In order for this to be true, hundreds of researchers in many different countries have to be lying about the genetic sequence of the new virus and its similarity to the bat coronavirus.  And somehow they are covering this up, even though all the data is available to anyone who wants to check.

INCREDIBLY COMPLICATED EXPLANATION: The virus was genetically engineered as a bioweapon.  In addition to the above coverup, now we also have to understand why it might have been chosen as a bioweapon.  For war purposes, you want a bioweapon with high lethality but low contagion, because you only want to kill The Enemy and not wipe out your own side.  The new coronavirus is just the opposite, so it's a rotten choice.  Alternatively, an evil global conspiracy might have engineered it as a depopulation weapon.  Again, this coronavirus is a bad choice because it's not nearly lethal enough.  So both bioweapon explanations require that the creators of the virus are brilliant enough to create it, but too stupid to pick the right virus.

ANOTHER INCREDIBLY COMPLICATED EXPLANATION: The virus was created in order to cause maximum disruption, and allow governments and elites to institute draconian controls and be a boot stomping on a human face forever.  But again, why create a virus that's no worse than a super-bad flu?  All you have to do is wait for the next terrible respiratory virus pandemic to arise naturally, like seems to happen every few years, and then you can do all the face-stomping you want and never risk taking the blame.


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