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Title: Dash Cam
Post by: Corncob on April 28, 2016, 09:45:47 PM
i'm not sure if this is the right place for this, but did Jack ever decide on a recommendation for a good dash cam? i'm a few episodes behind so the last i heard he was still mulling it over. if he hasn't made one yet, does anyone here have any good recommendations?
Title: Re: Dash Cam
Post by: theBINKYhunter on April 28, 2016, 10:10:24 PM
I'm in the same boat and have been looking at them for both of my vehicles. I've been recommended to go to https://dashcamtalk.com/ and start there but have not had the time (or funds) to really look into yet.
Title: Re: Dash Cam
Post by: Roknrandy on April 29, 2016, 12:36:14 PM
One of the best youtube channels on this subject. https://www.youtube.com/user/Techmoan/search?query=dashcam (https://www.youtube.com/user/Techmoan/search?query=dashcam)
Title: Re: Dash Cam
Post by: ChrisFox on April 29, 2016, 01:18:46 PM
I've had the Spy Tec A118-C for about a year now. It's not the best out there but for $80, it does everything I need it to do. Setting it up was little bit of a pain. Has a shock sensor that will save video file if it detects crash.  Mine would save if I went over a pothole. You forget it's even there which is sort of the point. Here's a video of it during a drive home. Nothing exciting but shows off low lighting, which it's ok'ish at.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFdgfEpfULU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFdgfEpfULU)
Title: Re: Dash Cam
Post by: theBINKYhunter on April 29, 2016, 02:03:49 PM
Nice tunes. Looks like a decent camera for the price. I know there are some options that have a second camera that takes rear video as well. I'm really interested in those as well.
Title: Re: Dash Cam
Post by: ChrisFox on April 29, 2016, 03:39:40 PM
I thought about those. I just bought 2. Set one up in the back.
Title: Re: Dash Cam
Post by: theBINKYhunter on April 29, 2016, 05:40:47 PM
What was your reasoning for buying two separate units as opposed to one integrated unit?
Title: Re: Dash Cam
Post by: ChrisFox on April 30, 2016, 04:21:08 AM
Mostly cost. Plus I have two SD cards instead of one. If one goes bad you still have the other.
Title: Re: Dash Cam
Post by: theBINKYhunter on April 30, 2016, 08:52:52 AM
Good points, and I hadn't thought about hang multiple sd cards. How do you get power to the rear? Are these units battery operated?
Title: Re: Dash Cam
Post by: Going Galt on April 30, 2016, 11:38:41 AM
Over a year ago, I had bought this cheap one on Amazon called "black box" for like $40... anyone searching for these quickly comes across this one at the top of the list of what to consider.  It "worked" but not for long... despite not keeping it in the window when not in use (to protect it from heat/cold), and not even using it much, it was dead in 3 months.  When it worked, it felt very cheap and had a poor interface. And, listening to the radio was impossible when this device was plugged in... it generated some major interference that made AM unlistenable and also harmed FM.  Plus, I did not care for the suction cup mechanism and having to fuss with that, and having this dangling big thing off of the windshield.

Yesterday, my new one arrived... it is called a Rexing, for $100.

http://www.amazon.com/Rexing-Dashboard-Recorder-G-Sensor-Recording/dp/B00X528FNE?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00

So far, so good.  I like it's low profile design, held tightly against the windshield by 3M double sided tape and this mechanism that lets it slide on and off it easily.  I put it just to the above/left side of the rear view mirror so it is out of the way.  I'm trying to figure out a good way to thread the wire along the window edge and back down to the outlet.  The interface seems good.  And, video quality. And, no radio interference.  Only time will tell how long it'll last. I'm planning on removing it each time I'm leaving the truck sitting there on a potentially hot day... I just don't trust these to survive getting heated up to perhaps near 200F, although the manual claims it can be "stored" up to 160F.

Title: Re: Dash Cam
Post by: Corncob on April 30, 2016, 02:46:43 PM
the Rexing and Spy tec seem to be pretty much clones of eachother at least in looks. the only thing i don't think i like about these two models is, while the camera lens is adjustable up and down, the camera can't be turned in order to point it towards a window instead of out the windshield or rear window. I'm primarily thinking of cases such as LEO contact or any type of road rage contact that might happen. i know those two cameras would pick up the audio from the interaction, but i'd prefer to have the picture to.
Title: Re: Dash Cam
Post by: Going Galt on April 30, 2016, 03:09:35 PM
the Rexing and Spy tec seem to be pretty much clones of eachother at least in looks. the only thing i don't think i like about these two models is, while the camera lens is adjustable up and down, the camera can't be turned in order to point it towards a window instead of out the windshield or rear window. I'm primarily thinking of cases such as LEO contact or any type of road rage contact that might happen. i know those two cameras would pick up the audio from the interaction, but i'd prefer to have the picture to.

Yup, that's the one thing I was hesitant about this for.  The crappy "black box" one I used to have could at least be turned, assuming it didn't fall off the window when I did so.  It's probably not a huge deal for me though... it's not as if I'm driving around attempting to get pulled over so I can make a not-very-interesting cop block video to post on youtube.  If I get the cop audio as the camera faces forward, that's still something. If I really felt the need to, I can start up Bambuser on my phone.  Still, the best would be if I could also get side views.

Speaking of side views, there's one called the v360 that takes a 360 degree video by pointing the camera at a cone-shaped mirror.  I was curious about that, although I think I would have had to mount it with sticky tape in the center of the dash board, which doesn't seem too appealing.
Title: Re: Dash Cam
Post by: ChrisFox on April 30, 2016, 03:26:59 PM
The power cord is fairly long, you can route it to a 12v adapter. I hard wired both mine in though. Only have one charger port and need that one for my phone.
Title: Re: Dash Cam
Post by: 1greenman on April 30, 2016, 03:59:48 PM
We have a fair amount of traveling ahead of us.....so I need to look into one of these again. 

I think about them everytime Living Social or eBay have them on sale.  But I am always afraid these are super cheap version, so I always decided against.
Title: Re: Dash Cam
Post by: BriGy86 on June 14, 2016, 07:57:26 PM
I'm also looking into getting one after seeing things like this...
http://abc7ny.com/news/man-who-accused-officer-of-brake-checking-appears-in-court/1384478/#videoplayer

I found this but I'm not sure about the brands.
http://dashboardcamerareviews.com/category/favorites/
Title: Re: Dash Cam
Post by: BriGy86 on June 14, 2016, 08:13:46 PM
I may have found one.  They have a model thats 100 bucks and has many more good reviews than other brands.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00MCWZ0QI/ref=ask_ql_qh_dp_hza

The mirror camera looks interesting.  It's 200 but looks like it velcro's over your existing mirror.
Title: Re: Dash Cam
Post by: ChrisFox on June 15, 2016, 08:12:16 AM
I like this guys youtube page. Here's is top 5 cams video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NVi2jmXyvs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NVi2jmXyvs)
Title: Re: Dash Cam
Post by: Bad_apple on July 11, 2016, 11:00:23 PM
We have been installing these for clients with rvs. Used as dash cams they have a super wide angle and we use 256gb as cards for recording which gets PLENTY of recording time and great picture.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00TXRLVN6/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1468299533&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=4k+dash+cam+256gb
Title: Re: Dash Cam
Post by: theBINKYhunter on July 13, 2016, 08:27:40 AM
Anyway to wire that directly to car power or is it battery only?
Title: Re: Dash Cam
Post by: Bad_apple on July 13, 2016, 10:37:49 PM
It come with a micro usb style charger that we typically wire to an ignition feed.
Title: Re: Dash Cam
Post by: theBINKYhunter on July 13, 2016, 11:05:22 PM
It come with a micro usb style charger that we typically wire to an ignition feed.

Good to know. I will eventually get a couple for my cars and want to have direct power so I don't have to worry about batteries or power plugs.
Title: Re: Dash Cam
Post by: Bad_apple on July 13, 2016, 11:14:50 PM
Yeah. These days they are good to have. Never know what can happen on the road. Plus these are nice. Wired to ignition it automatically turns on and records when you start the car. And because it has a battery when you key off it doesn't just cut off. It starts a 30 second shut down sequence before automatically powering off. 
Title: Re: Dash Cam
Post by: machinisttx on November 25, 2016, 02:13:13 PM
Any more updates on this? I'm in the market for several of these. So far my little bit of research indicates that many of the cheaper units have a li-ion battery, which frequently fails/ruptures due to excess heat and ruins the unit. Better cams have a couple of capacitors that power the unit just long enough for it to do a proper shutdown after the power source turns off.

I'm looking pretty hard at the Viofo A119S, which is an improved version of the 118 someone mentioned earlier. https://www.carcamcentral.com/review/viofo-a119-review (https://www.carcamcentral.com/review/viofo-a119-review) It'd be nice if a company would bring out a "dash cam" with a single "main" control box and capability to connect four independently mounted camera lenses. Way less wiring to record all four sides of the vehicle.
Title: Re: Dash Cam
Post by: machinisttx on November 25, 2016, 06:10:30 PM
Found this earlier, figured it was relevant. https://www.carcamcentral.com/guide/recommended-sd-cards-avoid-sandisk-ultra-cards (https://www.carcamcentral.com/guide/recommended-sd-cards-avoid-sandisk-ultra-cards)
Title: Re: Dash Cam
Post by: ChrisFox on December 04, 2016, 08:05:28 PM
I upgraded to the A119 about a month ago. My front A118 got cracked when I was using it in a rental. Night time is much clearer. Never realized how much I got used to having one. That week I waiting for the new one to ship I was driving on egg shells thinking someone was going to back into me at every light.  ;D
Title: Re: Dash Cam
Post by: theBINKYhunter on February 02, 2017, 12:05:45 PM
After my accident earlier this month I'm back in this thread. Is this the model you got, Chris?

https://www.amazon.com/Spy-Tec-A119-1440p-Camera/dp/B01HMZVYLY/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1486062229&sr=8-2&keywords=A119+dash+cam

Did you mount it your dash or window? It looks like you could do either with it.
Title: Re: Dash Cam
Post by: ChrisFox on February 02, 2017, 06:41:54 PM
Yea that's the one. I attached it to the windshield to the right of rear view mirror. I don't even realize it's there half the time. If it was on the dash I would have to route the power cable along the dash. I tuck it under the headliner now so it's out of the way. I would look into buying a polarizing filter for it also if you have trouble with reflections. Mine weren't too bad but the lens made a bit of difference.
Title: Re: Dash Cam
Post by: theBINKYhunter on February 03, 2017, 11:07:46 AM
OK. Do you leave it up there all the time? My concern is the 115 degree summers we have here and leaving it in a ~140 degree car all day.
Title: Re: Dash Cam
Post by: ChrisFox on February 03, 2017, 08:55:45 PM
I'm in Galveston and have had it for 3 years. In the car 24/7. That's why I got the one with a capacitor instead of a battery. All of the reviews said don't get the battery powered one in hot weather. Only problem I've had is sd card in older unit went on the blitz. I do have a sun shade for the windshield now, I'm sure it does help.
Title: Re: Dash Cam
Post by: machinisttx on February 04, 2017, 08:18:44 PM
OK. Do you leave it up there all the time? My concern is the 115 degree summers we have here and leaving it in a ~140 degree car all day.

If you buy a dash cam with a battery, the battery is going to fail from that kind of heat. If you buy one with a capacitor(or swap the battery for a cap yourself), it will have to be hardwired for power.  Some of the dash cam mounts use adhesive, so they're pretty much permanent, although some will detach from the "base mount". The upside to these seems to be that they are more secure and the footage seems to be better(at least based on videos I've seen).

Everything that I've read and watched on the subject seems to agree that if you buy a high quality capacitor based camera, it will survive just fine.
Title: Re: Dash Cam
Post by: theBINKYhunter on February 06, 2017, 12:01:24 PM
Good to know. I think I may try the one Chrisfox recommended. I have a friend who is good with wiring and I want to learn so a capacitor makes sense. And hardwired is the way I wanted to go anyways. Knowing that makes me feel better about the heat concerns too.
Title: Re: Dash Cam
Post by: ChrisFox on February 06, 2017, 08:47:04 PM
Just keep the power cord. It's nice to use it in a rental car for some reason.
Title: Re: Dash Cam
Post by: theBINKYhunter on February 07, 2017, 12:17:51 PM
Just keep the power cord. It's nice to use it in a rental car for some reason.

Like when you have a rental due to an accident where you wish you'd had the dash cam?
Title: Re: Dash Cam
Post by: machinisttx on February 08, 2017, 11:07:05 AM
Most of the better cameras will already have a cap instead of a battery. There are a few lower end/midgrade cameras that people seem to think highly enough of that you can buy plug and play caps or different lenses for. Alternatively, there are versions of at least a couple of those cameras that are sold with better lenses and a cap already installed.

Just do your research on whichever camera you decide to buy...mostly on where you're buying it from. Many cameras are available as counterfeits at well under half of what the genuine product costs. Lots of those sellers are on amazon or ebay.
Title: Re: Dash Cam
Post by: endurance on February 13, 2017, 11:52:38 AM
Can anyone confirm that the A119 will turn on if the car is parked and hit at night and record enough of an image to see the car (even if not the plate). I have a friend who parks in an apartment complex and her car gets hit regularly, like it's intentional and wants to identify the perp.
Title: Re: Dash Cam
Post by: ChrisFox on February 14, 2017, 10:17:06 AM
It sort of does. You want a dashcam that has true parking lot mode that buffers the recording. On those models, the camera is always "recording" even when parked but will save the video from like 10 seconds before the hit and how ever long you have it set to record after. On the a119, and other budget dashcams,  it just starts recording when it feels the hit. There is also a lag for when it starts up so you may miss what hit you.

Something like the QVIA R935 DUO, which I've installed on my neighbors car and works great,  would do the trick but there are many out there that will work.
Title: Re: Dash Cam
Post by: Crazy Fox on February 14, 2017, 11:42:45 AM
In the car 24/7. That's why I got the one with a capacitor instead of a battery. All of the reviews said don't get the battery powered one in hot weather.

That's my experience. My battery-backed model worked fine for a few months, but is now a bit wonky since the battery holds no charge.

Unfortunately, most dashcams on the market today are cheap, off-brand Chinese/Russian clones with little/zero tech support.
Title: Re: Dash Cam
Post by: endurance on February 14, 2017, 11:44:03 AM
It sort of does. You want a dashcam that has true parking lot mode that buffers the recording. On those models, the camera is always "recording" even when parked but will save the video from like 10 seconds before the hit and how ever long you have it set to record after. On the a119, and other budget dashcams,  it just starts recording when it feels the hit. There is also a lag for when it starts up so you may miss what hit you.

Something like the QVIA R935 DUO, which I've installed on my neighbors car and works great,  would do the trick but there are many out there that will work.
Thanks for that. That's exactly what she's looking for.
Title: Re: Dash Cam
Post by: theBINKYhunter on February 14, 2017, 03:55:22 PM
So I'm still educating myself, and will do a lot more once I get ready to pull the trigger. Are you saying the A119 doesn't record all the time, only when there's an impact?
Title: Re: Dash Cam
Post by: ChrisFox on February 14, 2017, 06:39:09 PM
It does when you are driving. Some more expensive models have a parking mode that records when you are parked and motor isn't running. I really didn't need that feature so I just went with a basic model.
Title: Re: Dash Cam
Post by: ChrisFox on February 14, 2017, 06:44:01 PM
They also have a sensor in it that if it senses a hit, it will tag that video and not record over it. I have mine set to record 3 minute segments. Once it gets to the end of the SD card it will start recording over the oldest video. I turned it off. There were too many false hits, everytime I hit a pothole it would tag that video and wouldn't over-right that one. I figure if I'm ever hit and need the footage, I'll have sense enough to take the sd card out and save the video I need.
Title: Re: Dash Cam
Post by: theBINKYhunter on February 15, 2017, 09:00:19 AM
OK, that makes a lot of sense. The parking sensor thing is neat, but I'm not sure if the premium is worth it considering only one angle is covered. If it's pointing to the front and you get hit from the side you'll most likely have no usable info.
Title: Re: Dash Cam
Post by: endurance on February 15, 2017, 09:17:10 AM
OK, that makes a lot of sense. The parking sensor thing is neat, but I'm not sure if the premium is worth it considering only one angle is covered. If it's pointing to the front and you get hit from the side you'll most likely have no usable info.
Unless you back in. ;)
Title: Re: Dash Cam
Post by: theBINKYhunter on February 15, 2017, 10:54:44 AM
Unless you back in. ;)

Which I always do if I can, but I can still see getting bumped in the side or rear. I guess for what I've seen in cost difference for that feature it doesn't make a lot of sense for me.
Title: Re: Dash Cam
Post by: ChrisFox on February 15, 2017, 12:11:40 PM
Yea I thought about it for a little bit. Then I realized that if anything happens in a parking lot, most likely will be slow speed and the damage won't be that bad. That's the greatest joy in driving a beater. "Oh you just hit my car with your BMW, no problem let me hammer that dent out with a 5 pound sledge, done"  ;D
Title: Re: Dash Cam
Post by: endurance on February 15, 2017, 12:57:58 PM
Yea I thought about it for a little bit. Then I realized that if anything happens in a parking lot, most likely will be slow speed and the damage won't be that bad. That's the greatest joy in driving a beater. "Oh you just hit my car with your BMW, no problem let me hammer that dent out with a 5 pound sledge, done"  ;D
You, just fiberglassed the rust hole in my quarterpanel and haven't gotten around to bondo or paint. It's insurance to me. Nobody would steal a car as ugly as mine.
Title: Re: Dash Cam
Post by: theBINKYhunter on March 02, 2017, 02:56:23 PM
Just bought the A119 with the GPS. I'll give that a shot and see how I like it and how it performs. There is a newer version (A119S) but right now all the reviews say they're equal since the firmware is still being optimized. I'm thinking another 119 for the van to start. Then if the 119S gets better I'll buy those for the front and point the 119 out the back.
Title: Re: Dash Cam
Post by: Ralph on March 04, 2017, 11:35:23 AM
I did a little research but it seems not many would work well for city night driving with cars/ headlights coming toward you and street lights. Those are the conditions I would need a dashcam to work in, and normal daylight of cause. I know the glaring headlight problem is a difficult one to overcome, but has anyone had a cam that worked well in city type night driving?
Title: Re: Dash Cam
Post by: ChrisFox on March 04, 2017, 09:43:00 PM
More expensive units see better at night. Polarized filter helps with the glare. Still, you won't be able to get license plate numbers at night when the cars are moving fast with any dash cam just yet.

Vico Opia 2 was one I was looking at. It's night time is better than what I have now but not $150 better.
https://dashcamtalk.com/vico-opia2/
Title: Re: Dash Cam
Post by: Ralph on March 04, 2017, 10:53:35 PM
I know that scenario is a problem for almost any camera. I figured some might work better than others. Thanks for the link, I'll check it out.
Title: Re: Dash Cam
Post by: theBINKYhunter on March 16, 2017, 08:59:34 AM
Bought the A119 and like it, however I think I got a bad GPS unit so I'm going to have to return it...

Chris, does your A119 get hot when running? When I turn the car off and feel the camera it is hot to the touch. Not so hot that I can't hold it but it's still pretty warm.
Title: Re: Dash Cam
Post by: ChrisFox on March 17, 2017, 03:08:40 PM
I've never even thought to touch it to see if it was hot. I'll try it after work tonight.
Title: Re: Dash Cam
Post by: theBINKYhunter on March 18, 2017, 10:58:59 PM
Thanks. Do you use the GPS unit or just the camera?
Title: Re: Dash Cam
Post by: ChrisFox on March 20, 2017, 04:11:20 PM
Just the camera. I thought about getting the gps but decided against it. All I'm worried about is someone hitting me and saying it was my fault. Also it was kind of warm, but I can't tell if it's the camera itself or just sitting in the sun. We just hit some 80 degree days.
Title: Re: Dash Cam
Post by: theBINKYhunter on March 20, 2017, 08:07:43 PM
Thanks for the feedback. I got my new unit Saturday and I'm pretty sure my first was defective. The new one feels much cooler. I did get the GPS unit but for the second I think I might pass on it. I like the idea, but I don't see how useful it would be and some things I've read say that if you use it to not have it display your speed... so what's the point of it? I don't see how location data is relevant when you can clearly see where the car is. For an off-road vehicle I could see the GPS coordinates being useful.
Title: Re: Dash Cam
Post by: machinisttx on April 01, 2017, 02:54:30 PM
Thanks for the feedback. I got my new unit Saturday and I'm pretty sure my first was defective. The new one feels much cooler. I did get the GPS unit but for the second I think I might pass on it. I like the idea, but I don't see how useful it would be and some things I've read say that if you use it to not have it display your speed... so what's the point of it? I don't see how location data is relevant when you can clearly see where the car is. For an off-road vehicle I could see the GPS coordinates being useful.

The GPS is useful because it should be capable of displaying your speed on screen in the video. I'm not sure why anyone would not want to display their speed, unless they are a habitual speeder and are worried they'll be ruled at fault because they were driving above the limit.

I'm going to be buying at least one unit very quickly as my wife hit a mailbox yesterday(low speed, scuffed paint) and hit a parked car today at about 40mph. Today's incident very likely totaled her jeep.  :-\ She has no recollection of exactly what happened either time.  :'( Getting her checked out by our doctor Monday.
Title: Re: Dash Cam
Post by: theBINKYhunter on April 01, 2017, 05:52:53 PM
My unit did display speed when it worked. The reason I'm choosing not to go that route is I can't see how the speed being displayed will help me. I don't speed, but what if something happens and I was going two over but I'm not at fault? I've seen enough slimy insurance work to expect that the driver's insurance would claim I was partly at fault because I was two over.

If I'm clearly not at fault and the footage shows it I don't see the need to have speed displayed. If I'm driving recklessly and speeding the footage will show that as well. If I'm at fault then it probably won't matter if I wasn't speeding.