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Title: The United Kingdom
Post by: Patriot:Ex Machina on October 27, 2008, 10:15:47 AM
I know we have some UK members here.
Let's hear from you!
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: JetstreamJonny on October 31, 2008, 09:33:16 AM
JetstreamJonny is here!
I'm in Suffolk - any other UK survivors out there or will I have the entire British Isles to myself when TSHTF!?
Cheers - Jon
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: mac on November 01, 2008, 02:30:07 PM
Hi Jon,

I'm from wiltshire what do you think of the podcast?

Mac
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: JetstreamJonny on November 03, 2008, 03:26:48 AM
Hi Mac, I've been listening for a couple of months and have now caught up with all the back issues of the podcast. I listen generally while I'm driving to work and it's like having a mate sitting in the passenger seat ranting while you just listen and Mmmmm & Aaaah every now and then!!
To answer your question I love the show, it confirms and clarifies a lot of what I've been thinking anyway and has helped to focus my thoughts and spurred me into some actual action. I have stopped thinking about it and started doing something. Although the podcast is naturally Amerocentric (is that real word? It is now) pretty much everything Jack talks about also applies here and I think an increasing number of people are thinking the same way - I looked at getting a wood burning stove this weekend and a large number of suppliers have sold out completely!
I think that people just intuitively know, even if they don't know why, that it's time to start thinking differently.
I've also started to think about various scenarios, have you noticed that all the big supermarkets have a "just in time" delivery policy? In my local Tesco they start to run out of basics like rice, pasta, bread, milk etc by about 7pm. If something disrupted the supply chain, weather, fuel shortage, martial law, the shops would run out of food within 2 days. I hadn't really given that sort of thing any thought before.
Time to stop, I'm starting to sound like Jack.
Nice to hear from you.
Jon
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: mac on November 04, 2008, 05:38:21 AM
Hi Jon,

I've only been listening for a couple of weeks. I like his more simple approaches to things, for example the idea of having a months supply of food, old stuff at the front new stuff at the back and keep cycling it.
I did see last week on BBC news 24 that the sales of wood burners have gone up by 70% it's got to be the way to go, it's not just sustainable but also sitting in front of a fire is very therapeutic, primal.
I grow a lot of my own veg in my garden and and worry that one day if things go wrong a bunch of chavs will just take it all! and I don't know how i'd deal with that.
My friend had all his pumpkins stolen from his allotment this week.

cheers
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: JetstreamJonny on November 05, 2008, 09:00:34 AM
Yep, I know what you mean Mac, I grow veg in my garden too. Luckily It's fairly secluded but the thought had occurred to me too. It would be next to impossible to safeguard an allotment. I suppose the answer is to start looking towards getting out of town where the Chavs are less likely to come looking. And I guess it makes it all the more sensible to start stashing a few weeks food in a safe place (or places) and not tell anyone about it. I have identified a place I can go to if things really kick off and we have to leave the house, it's out of town, reasonably secure and a good bolt hole at least to lie low for a little while if need be. I haven't done so yet but I will be starting to build a small food and equipment cache there over the next few months. I agree with you about Jacks sensible attitude to prepping, it's easy to go off the deep end and get a bit paranoid! I just intend to do a little bit each month, I've allocated a few quid each month to buying supplies and equipment and soon enough we'll have what we need. I already feel much happier for having done the little that I have.
And you're right - there is something very nurturing about a fire beyond the heat it gives.
Cheers - Jon
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: mac on November 07, 2008, 01:34:56 PM
Hi Jon,

I've just listened to Jacks podcast on 9 methods for storing food. I don't think he mentioned clamping, have you tried it? If not, all you need is a box (wooden or metal) part fill it with sand put root veg in there put more sand on top and keep layering up. My beetroots are still as good as the day i picked them 5 months ago, they don't last a week in the fridge!!

Have you seen any good programs on tv based on survival skills etc? I watched a program called "it's not easy being green" which had loads of great ideas for self sufficient living.

Cheers
Mac
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: DeltaEchoVictor on November 12, 2008, 08:11:39 PM
Hey Mac,

I've heard of using sawdust for storing root vegetables but not sand.  Do different root veggies require different methods for long term storage, or will sand work for any type of root veggie?  I ask because sand would be much easier to aquire in quantity where I am (Missouri in the US).  Can you store potatoes & onions this way in particular?

Thanks,
Shane
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: mac on November 13, 2008, 02:52:03 AM
Hi Shane,

I've always stored Beetroots and carrots in sand not sure about onions. My father in law stores potatoes in sand as well. Clamping in sand seems almost to defy the laws of science in that some veg will store longer than i imagined possible!

If you want to store onions longer have you tried growing Sturon Onions i've found this variety outlast many others. If you want to save seed try shallotts, if you don't know much about them and want to know more let me know!

I think my advice is give it a go with a couple of onions, get a small wooden metal box and sand and sit back and wait!

I found this online, not sure about the bit where it states "Clamps are probably not the best method for storing the smaller amounts", as i only store 15 beetroots & 30 carrots per year. The below method is slightly different to mine as i just have a metal box filled with layers of sand and veg stored in a cool, dark place.


"Storing Root Vegetable Crops in a Clamp
In the days when people had large families and often survived by what they grew it was common to store root crops such as potatoes, carrots, Swedes, beetroot and celeriac in clamps. Clamps are probably not the best method for storing the smaller amounts required by a small family or couple.

The first thing to ensure is that the crop will be kept out of standing water. Choose a dry spot in the plot and then dig a trench around the storage area. This will help drain any water and provides soil you will need later.

Next place a layer of straw, bracken or even shredded paper on the ground and then place a layer of your crop down. With carrots, you could try a circular pattern, thick end to the outside, then place another layer of your packing material or sand to level up. Carry on adding layers to form a cone shape. On the outside of the clamp, place six to eight inches of straw and make a little straw spike at the top. This will allow excess moisture to escape,

The soil you removed from your drainage trench can then be used to cover the clamp."

Cheers
Mac
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: DeltaEchoVictor on November 13, 2008, 02:58:38 AM
Thanks very much Mac.

No I don't know much about the various types of onions.  The root vegetables are not something I've spent much time trying to grow.  Where I live we only have a few inches of top soil so anything grown that has an edible root has to be in a raised bed, mound etc.  I'm going to design & implement some raised beds for my garden over the next couple of years & I'd like to give some of the root vegetables a try.  Guess I'm studying for the future, that's why I ask.

Thanks again for your time.

Shane
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: stevebluff on January 11, 2009, 05:51:19 PM
Hi, Steve here.  I live on the Hants/Wilts border.

I noticed someone from wilts earlier.

Hello to all UK preppers!

BR

Steve
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: Whitehousel1 on January 19, 2009, 06:08:13 AM
Hi guys just thought i would add another guy to the mix, im 19 and in the west midlands.

ive been listening since day one.

Luke.
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: stevebluff on January 19, 2009, 03:19:36 PM
hi luke, i wonder how many uk listeners we have.

Wonder if jack knows??

br

steve
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: Rosesandtea on February 05, 2009, 05:21:14 PM
I'm American, but my husband is English.  We live in south Oxfordshire.

Prior to y2k I stored a lot of water,which was very strange to those who knew about it,  funny thing was that one day in '98 I think, the water to our road was off with no explanation and I was so pleased that I didn't have to worry about water or even bother trying to figure out how to work the mobile water tank they just dumped with no instructions on the green up the road.  The outage didn't last long, but was instructive to me.

Unfortunately, as we are trying to move house, we are reducing as much as possible but I do think I want to keep up at least some water.

My b'day is coming up and I think I would like an airgun as my pressie from dh - seems like a good way to begin  - anyway do any of y'all know of a good place to get one at a reasonable distance from my area?  Also recommendations for type that would suit me, who is a newbie, and not very strong especially in arms  (i.e. the arms that attach to own's torso!).   

I am hoping to be able to use the range that is in our town, if I can get the secretary to contact me back!   

Hoping none of you are too badly affected by the global warming we are having - we had a few inches today and the kids enjoyed it.
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: stevebluff on February 07, 2009, 03:50:53 PM
Hi, how did the snow affect you all?  I made it into work Monday and Tuesday (took my land cruiser though rather than the saloon).
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: Rosesandtea on February 09, 2009, 03:28:01 PM
Hi, how did the snow affect you all?  I made it into work Monday and Tuesday (took my land cruiser though rather than the saloon).

David was in Brazil all week so he made it to work just fine!   He made it out before the snows hit and Heathrow was open when he got back this last Sat.  He came home in the middle of the afternoon so he was fine on our road.

We didn't make it to chuch on Sunday, though, as our road refreezes in the dark and doesn't thaw until it's been daylight for quite a while.
He stayed home today to get some things done.  We'll see what happens tomorrow morning. 

My chickens hate all the white stuff.

Ummm, not to nag or anything, but does anyone have any airgun recommendations?   
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: JetstreamJonny on February 23, 2009, 03:35:16 AM
Hi there Rosesandtea,
I've been looking into airguns myself lately. I've come to the conclusion that to own a firearm (ie a .22 rifle) is just too arduous a talk in this country. Hunting power air rifles are much less hassle. I'm sure you've researched this yourself but you can own an airgun with a power of 12 ft lbs maximum before it requires a firearms certificate. A gun of this power is  quite sufficient to shoot small game like rabbits. There are a lot of cheap far eastern made guns available, some below the £100 mark but you get what you pay for. The best gun I've seen so far (and saving the money to buy one) is the Air Arms TX200. Really well made but heavy as a result. They sell for around £350 but I've seen them with scopes second hand for around £250. Weihrauch enjoy an excellent reputation as do the good old British small arms (BSA) - BSA Lightning seem to be the one to go for in my opinion.
If you're interested, it's my opinion that as a prepper it's best to go for a spring rifle rather than a precharge. If it all goes belly-up there's going to be nowhere to recharge your bottle. With a springer you always have the power in your elbow!
I've also discussed the pros & cons of fixed barrel (underlever action) and break-barrel actions but in well made modern guns there seem  to be little between them.
Hope that's of some use to you - fire in the questions as it's a good way of driving research into the subject.
Cheers - Jonathan (in Suffolk)
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: JetstreamJonny on February 23, 2009, 03:48:47 AM
Hi all, just wanted to say hello to Luke & Steve too - welcome!
It's brilliant to see a bit of activity growing in the UK. We have a rather different political and legal situation here which I feel makes our approach slightly different. So it will be great to get some discussion going here. The big difference of course is the issue of gun ownership.
I've been listening pretty much since day one - I love it. I've not been active on the forum for a while though, been rather busy with work.
I'm starting to squirrel away a few supplies and am slowly putting together bug out bags for all my family (5 of us).
The recent snow has really made me think about equipping vehicles with permanent kits for all kinds of emergencies. When you give it some thought, getting stuck in a vehicle comes down to making the same decision as you would at home - Bug-in or Bug-out, stay or go. In either case you're going to need to be prepared. For example, I realised that I drive to work wearing clothes that would not be suitable for walking anydistance in bad weather - and I like to think that I'm a prepper !!!
I'd be interested to hear what preps you lot are all doing.
I've started to learn to shoot a bow recently too - are any of you archers?
Cheers - Jon
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: Rosesandtea on February 23, 2009, 07:21:11 AM
Hey Jonathan,
thanks for your post/answer.   I can see your point about the spring powered airguns.  It really is an excellent point.

My problem is that they are also so much more expensive!!  I was hesitant to ask dh for one around the £100 mark and those are pcps. 

Well, he's listening to the podcasts now so maybe he will "spring" for one at some point!

~Karen
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: JetstreamJonny on February 23, 2009, 07:34:59 AM
Hi Karen - it's all very well to go for the best kit but budget is important too! If you Google it you can easily get an air rifle for under £100 but if I were you I'd avoid paying much less. If you want to actually be able to kill anything with it then go for something in the region of 11.5 ft lbs - if you just want to give it a go and shoot tin cans in your garden then you can easily go cheap and just have fun.
You can't buy airguns by post, they have to be bought through a dealer so I'd do a search to see who's near you and go & talk to them about it. In this current climate it wouldn't suprise me if there are some good second hand bargains to be had.

Happy shooting - Jon
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: Rosesandtea on February 23, 2009, 07:37:09 AM
The recent snow has really made me think about equipping vehicles with permanent kits for all kinds of emergencies. When you give it some thought, getting stuck in a vehicle comes down to making the same decision as you would at home - Bug-in or Bug-out, stay or go. In either case you're going to need to be prepared. For example, I realised that I drive to work wearing clothes that would not be suitable for walking anydistance in bad weather - and I like to think that I'm a prepper !!!
I'd be interested to hear what preps you lot are all doing.
I've started to learn to shoot a bow recently too - are any of you archers?
Cheers - Jon

Wanted to comment on this too.  I used to be so much more careful than I am now - dh is not much of a "be prepared" guy (though he was in scouting) and I've kind of lost my caution.   In the winter I used to make sure we had a blanket in the car, and if we were going to church or something I would make sure we put shoes in the car that we could walk in, and make sure everyone had suitable coats for more than just a dash from car to venue.  I'd often stick in a bag of hats and mittens "just in case".   I was thinking more in the line of what if the car breaks down and we have to walk somewhere, or even just sit in the car waiting for help and not be able to run the car for heat.

We have 5 children - so that means quite a lot of hats and mittens, shoes ,etc and I've just gotten away from being prepared for car trips as much as I used to but I need to start doing it again.

One cheap option for blankets - for car or home, is simply getting appropriate lengths of fleece fabric from the fabric store.    I don't even hem them but you could do that, it makes them look prettier, but the fleece doesn't ravel so it's not necessary.    I would get 2 1/2 mtrs for my son who's 6'5" I think and so on.  Make it longer than the person is by at least 18 inches so it can be tucked in around them adequately.   My kids love getting them for Christmas.     They aren't hugely bulky and are lightweight.  Easily washed and dry quickly.  Good for camping, dragging around the house, taking in the car, and if you have little children it's not a disaster if there is some kind of "accident."  I think as long as you have water they are easily washed.  
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: Rosesandtea on February 23, 2009, 07:40:00 AM
Hi Karen - it's all very well to go for the best kit but budget is important too! If you Google it you can easily get an air rifle for under £100 but if I were you I'd avoid paying much less. If you want to actually be able to kill anything with it then go for something in the region of 11.5 ft lbs - if you just want to give it a go and shoot tin cans in your garden then you can easily go cheap and just have fun.
You can't buy airguns by post, they have to be bought through a dealer so I'd do a search to see who's near you and go & talk to them about it. In this current climate it wouldn't suprise me if there are some good second hand bargains to be had.

Happy shooting - Jon

I never thought about the dealer possibly having second hand guns.  I wish we were up in Yorkshire (well, at least to buy guns at) - that county seems to have loads of licensed dealers!!  Hardly any where we are, so we'll have to do a bit of driving.

Anyway, thanks for the good idea.
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: TomGood on March 10, 2009, 03:34:49 PM
greetings fella uk inhabitants..

first time posting, and interesting reading the topics..

have to say that im coming more from a self sufficiency vibe rather than a hardcore prepper (hence the good life handle  ;D) but of course that's not to say that im blind to the ways of the world and arent a little bit prepared. luckily they equipment and skill from my gardening and outdoor activities cross over with being prepared.

my only real change has to be an increase in food stocks but the way that the food prices are going up that's just plain sensible..

anyhows enough ramblings.. it seems to me that the as pointed out the major worries that alot on this board seem to share is that unlike our American cousins we dont seem to be trusted with firearms or other less lethal means of self defense.. whilst every one seems to think that air rifles seem to be the way forward (which im sure will be good for hunting rabbits and other little criters of which is all there's left wild) may i suggest that you give a thought towards archery and crossbows...

now the first point is that there is a proud heritage of archery in england (think longbows, robin hood etc etc) and so there are plenty of clubs and such where you can learn safely and practice without any concern from nosy neighbors or being in trouble with the law. whilst there is a skill with archery its quite easily picked up and has the added benefit for all those prepping for a poop hitting the fan event of not relying on pesky to obtain ammo/pellets or co2 gas..

now for those that dont wish to dedicate weekends to archery there is also the crossbow route, designed specifically for the unskilled peasant these are much easier to to learn and dont be fooled into thinking you need to get a super strong one. do some quick research and you can get a simple small recursive 150ibl crossbow that will be both a great intimidation weapon( for you shtf peeps) and also should suffice to hunting anything still in the British isles.. this combined with draw aids if your especially concerned with strength will allow anyone to be equipped..

just a note on safety however.. these are not toys!!! never ever ever point one of these at anyone!!! and i strongly suggest joing a club just to learn the safety procedure so you and others are safe!!... these are intended to kill and can do very serious damage!! even in some mad total world collapsing poop hitting the fan scenario that some people are worried about i would still say never point it directly at anyone!!
just think about it folks, ignoring the obvious tendency for people to overreact and to miss judge a minor disruption as a major event (think about trying to live with repercussions if it all came good again two weeks later) in a major event youd had the added trouble/dilemma of dealing with an aggressor still very much alive but now with your arrow/crossbow sticking out of them!!! not a pleasant scenario to deal with or live with!!!

so enough ramblings for my first post..
 
peace out



Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: Rosesandtea on March 10, 2009, 04:26:35 PM
Hi Tom,
(humming TGL theme tune) welcome to the boards.

Your thoughts on bows reflect those of some people on another forum I'm on. 
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: TomGood on March 11, 2009, 02:56:59 PM
Hi Rosesandtea

thanks for the welcome.

have been keeping upto date with the recent world economical news and am wondering how long people think the ££ will be worth anything?? (see below)

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/run-on-uk-sees-foreign-investors-pull-1-trillion-out-of-the-city-1639413.html



what im wondering is what are uk preppers thoughts on our most likely scenario?? and what are the sort of incident do they have in mind when making prepping decisions??

whilst i honestly think that the much heralded 'british blitz spirit' does have some basis in reality (just see the understated British reaction to the london attacks and the recent floods) ruling out imo sudden mass break down in society and general rioting/looting etc.., we do seem to face some major potential challenges not present elsewhere in America/Canada etc..

for starters im sure that we as a nation import something like 40% of the food eaten in the country.. we have a really messed up service based economy and have imo been batting out of our league economy wise for awhile now, we have the largest national and consumer debt in europe and now the government has started to print money as well . (brilliant idea as thats always worked well in the past!!!) 

we don't suffer natural disasters, have a mild climate  and i cant buy into the whole tin foil hat concepts of black helicopters and NWO and such , so with the exception of the impending overdue flu pandemic i just cant see a sudden shtf scenario, more likely imo is a slow and gradual decline of the society and stability due to economic factors or a global event such as climate change/ peak oil etc etc..


on a side note i would like to recommend the the following book as kind of the British version of 'patriots'


http://www.amazon.co.uk/Retrieved-Future-John-Seymour/dp/1872410057

written by the John Seymour so its heavily farming/gardening based!! but be warned there is a heavy slice of tin foil hat'ness to some later chapters.... still not too bad a book. also check out his self sufficiency and gardening non fiction books , there actually rather good.


peace out


 



 


Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: Rosesandtea on March 12, 2009, 12:26:29 PM
Tom, thanks for the book recommendation.  I'll have a look into it.

I think there is something in what you say about the British and orderliness/calm/whatever (I'm speaking as an American who has lived here for 19 years).   I think in many places things will get very tough financially but people will hang together.    However, I think in cities the situation could be much worse.  Oddly, some villages in very rural areas could have some nasty episodes as well - just last night I heard about a village where a huge percentage is on drugs - not just kids either.  In those communities I think the problem will be thefts, violence during thievery, and the violence committed in defense against thievery/violence.  In cities I think the lack of community spirit - lost in the quest for "tolerance" and encouraging people to keep their own culture instead of being part of the community (whilst keeping other ethnic stuff at home and religious centers) is going to cause problems.   At least more than in the rural towns.

Best served will be those communities where there is a good mix of old, middle and young people, instead of just one type if you follow me. 

I think some bad climate things can occur - although unusual .    Flooding is not unusual though and will be a problem if the finances hit bottom and we have another summer of '07. 

My concerns are how people will cope if the electricity goes off for any length of time and especially if the gas goes off.   Plus food.   

My most likely scenario is a big financial crisis, depression, and some health disaster which affects humans or animals (thus reducing the food supply).   


Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: EnglishBrambles on March 26, 2009, 03:14:27 PM
Hey, Ethan down in South Hampshire.
I've been listening since Christmas, great to find some like minded people.
Have started prepping and have got the wife on board too.
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: Rosesandtea on March 26, 2009, 03:29:38 PM
Hi Ethan, nice to "meet" you!
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: JetstreamJonny on April 03, 2009, 07:53:17 AM
Hi everyone, nice to see the UK group growing.
I'm very pleased to say that I bought myself a lovely Air Arms rifle at the weekend! (Did you look ito that any further rosesandtea?) I'm very impressed with the accuracy and power, a very far cry from my old BSA Meteor. I'm still zeroing it in and experimenting with different pellets and different ranges. I think that you have to be very confident of your ability to cleanly kill an animal before you have any right to go shooting at it.
As an interesting aside, and this is the same for everything we talk about in homesteading and survivalism, you can only learn these things by doing them today. If and when that big event comes along and we have to live on our wits and our supplies we need to have these skills in place. It's too late to learn when it's already happened!
This is kind of obvious but have any of you actually tried to get close enough to a rabbit to shoot it with an air rifle - even a powerful one? That's about 40 yards for most practical purposes. It isn't easy, I've just started to try it myself - it takes practice and fieldcraft, something I'm intent on learning. Any advice gratefully received!
Tomgoods comment on archery is a good one too but it illustrates the point even better. If you're going to kill something like a deer with a bow, even at 30 yards, you need to be able to consistently shoot arrows in a 4" grouping from that distance and as TomGood rightly points out - that takes a lot of practice! (I've never managed to get this close to wild deer yet)

I'm practicing archery too by the way, are any of the rest of you archers? I'm making life harder for myself by learning to shoot instinctively with a re-curve. To be able to kill game with it, it will take a lot more tracking, stalking and shooting practice.
By the way, does anyone know where to buy broadhead arrows in the UK - and are they legal? I know it's illegal to shoot game with a bow in the UK but I subscribe to the idea that you should practice with the kit you're going to use, so I'd like to practice with broadheads.

I totally agree that the really big difference between the US and the UK is the issue of gun ownership, I think it's a perfect time to buy a good second hand air rifle and/or a shotgun.
When it comes to defense I think the crossbow is a pretty good idea too, it has a high intimidation factor. Although I don't want to be alarmist, I saw a TV programme recently following SO19 the Met Police armed response unit - it is staggering how many guns are taken off the streets every month in London alone. There are people in the UK who DO have firearms and they are not the ones who play by Queensbury rules. I highly reccommend the Later day saints "LDS Preparedness Manual" - especially read the section towards the end (P184) where there is an article about the events that went on during and after hurricane Katrina. http://www.green-trust.org/freebooks/Preparedness.pdf   
I'm interested in learning about how to defend a home effectively even without a gun - anyone got any links or ideas - I can't help thinking that the best defence policy is not to be where those kind of people are. That leads me to another thought about the UK and it's over-population, do any of you have any thoughts on bug-out locations in the UK.

I'm pleased to say I've also got some new chickens last week (the last lot became a fox's dinner) and we're looking forward to some fresh eggs in the next 3 or 4 weeks.
Also, got the garden under control and can't wait to start getting the first produce for this year.

Interesting discusion about the main threats in the UK, I think our biggest risk comes from our very dense population and our inadequate infrastructure. If a serious event occurred and people needed to move out I think the roads would be jammed instantly. It's bad enough on a normal evening on the M25, if a lot of people were trying to escape an area like London or Birmingham, it would be instant chaos - and not the place to be.
An associated issue is that (as tomgood also points out) we import a lot of food. The road haulage association figures say that over 25% of road traffic in the UK is food transport. All the big stores now rely on just-in-time delivery. Have you been into a large supermarket around 8pm? All the main staple foods, milk, bread, meat are almost sold out - that's the way they want it.
There are any number of scenarios that could interupt the food supply chain and even more that would cause panic buying. How many people in the UK store any food? I reckon most will be lucky to have a weeks worth. Then what? Do you want to be among the crowds fighting for bread at Tescos? Nah - me neither, but I suppose that's why we're into this website! For me it's a good reason not to live in a city (which I don't).
I remember when I was a kid in the 70's we had scheduled power blackouts and petrol rationing, we kept food, candles and gas stoves constantly at the ready - not many do that these days (present company excepted). If something like that was announced today the shops would be swamped and everything would be gone overnight.  And do you remember the tanker driver's strike in about 1998? These things do happen.
There is limited information about local emergency threats here http://www.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/ukresilience.aspx and there is a link to your local area on the right hand side of the website.

Sorry for the rather rambling post - just wanted to say hi and "yes I agree!" - Oh and yes, the John Seymour books are inspiring.
Cheers all - Jon
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: TomGood on April 04, 2009, 01:46:35 PM
Hi JetstreamJonny!

some interesting a good points there!! good to see some more activity here!

may i recommend some interesting books by the author tom brown jr, not sure if i truly believe everything he's written about himself but they are some good reads regarding wilderness and urban survival and some great stuff about the philosophy and spirituality of tracking and hunting! theres a lot to be said for the mentaility raised in these books and the general way of life/ outlook on life of the native Americans and other nomadic/spiritual orientated cultures!

in the spirit of the practice as well as theory raised by Jetstream, may i also suggest that anyone with ideas of ever needing to buging out
try it at least once, by this i mean, a hiking/camping trip is probably the most easiest, fun and least likely to raise eye brows!!!. its a great experience and challenge and will truly give you some experience in what to actual pack (trust me lighter is better) and also what physical state you are in. even though among us that are active and sporting in nature may discover that a strenuous hiking trip carry three days of equipment, water and food is tougher than you think it is. As always safety first but if possible go with experienced personnel and camp it rough, nothing beats humping all you need, avoiding those easy but cramped camp sites and camping wild. learning where to get water and where to settup shelter is a must imho!!!


which brings me to my last rambling point for this post.. something always overlooked in the forums in my opinion is the subject of water!!! never forget how truly vital water is to your survival and how precarious our water supply situtation is.. id ask yourself if something major or minor happen tomorrow and last for only two weeks!! where would i get my and my family water from!!! how would i carry it , clean it and make it safe to use!!  three days is all you have without clean water and believe me you dont want to be drinking polluted dirty water.. exercise and illness, eating and general living consumes water and replacing lost water is vital to be able to use up all that stockpiled food and equipment you have!!!

im interested as to what peeps have done to ensure their supply regardless (assuming you dont all have a bugout location in the sticks with its own well and or spring?)))


peace out
tom
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: Remington on April 04, 2009, 02:31:07 PM
My girlfriend is from Kent, and now lives with me here in the states.

She's continuously amazed by how varied the weather is. There's really only a "rainy" season in England isn't there :D

Cheers from across the pond
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: JetstreamJonny on April 08, 2009, 12:29:30 PM
Hi Tomgood - funnily enough I am reading Tom Browns classic book "The tracker" at the moment - I also have one of his tuturial books on tracking. It's wonderful stuff, and there's a lot to learn.
On the subject of water, I am lucky to have a pretty large garden and access to free 205 litre food grade steel drums, so I have one of those stashed aside full of nice fresh water. I also keep iodine drops sufficient to treat a similar amount.
I'm in the process of setting up water butts for watering the garden too, which will double as water supply if necessary.
As it happens, on my to do list for tomorrow is to buy some muslin fabric and make a sort of "Milbank" filter bag to put in each bug-out bag (I have a BOB for each family member) - it's light and is a very versatile and can give different levels of filtration depending how many times you fold the cloth. Would double as a dressing or bandage too.
I did a wild camping trip on Dartmoor a few years ago, we were carrying quite a lot and it was very hot - we needed to drink about 3-4 litres of water a day plus what we needed to cook with. We had MSR ceramic hand-pumped filter which was worth it's weight in gold - we couldn't have managed nearly so well without it and I reckon a water filter is a real asset in any bug-out bag and as a backup for home use.
It's also well worth scouring an OS explorer map of your area and clearly highlighting any wells nearby - they are marked on the map. A future purchase will be a hand pump, which will be stashed at my bug out location or in my vehicle kit.

In my survival tin I also have a filtration "straw" for real emergency use.
Cheers all - Jon
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: TrashCanMan on April 22, 2009, 01:40:17 PM
Hi all!

So how many UK'ers have we got on board then?

What do we think of Jack's comment about England being a 'Piss Hole'?  :D
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: The Limey on April 23, 2009, 03:07:45 PM
Hello all this is my first post
I've been listening to Jack since December last year and the pods have had a huge effect on me totally changing my views. I am now a preper but i have just joined the forum because pod 184 made me so angry.
Trashcanman i saw your message post  on pod184 bog  and i thought it was very well put, however my own rambling message never made it  I uploaded it on wed at about16:40 BST before yours appeared. What time did you upload yours.
I thought Jack was well out of order and pod185 did not really say allot about it
Some of the comments about England by other people also seemed very negative I did not find it a laughing mater.
Do you think we can recommend to Jack a list of other Europeon countries who are more worthy of his wrath My vote France and Belgem
Mark
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: TrashCanMan on April 23, 2009, 05:24:14 PM
Hiya Mark

I think Jack kind of explained things and clarified his thoughts.  I felt the same as you when I first listened to it.  I actually laughed more in shock at what I'd just heard so skipped back to listen again.  I had the same sort of reaction to when someone tells a bad taste joke.  You laugh at it but really you're laughing for the fact that its in bad taste.  Does that make sense?

Was I offended?  Initially yes.  On the second listen - no.  Jack calling America a Pig Trough sort of levelled it out for me :lol:

The truth is we do have some ridiculous laws set by morons here but Americans are faced with similar poor leadership decisions.  I guess this is one of the main reasons I have been into survivalism/prepping as I don't feel I can count on the British government in a time of crisis and I'm sure as shit that the Americans on this forum probably feel the same about their current administration.

I think we have to remember that it is 'one mans view' and whilst it certainly made me sit upright, gasp, laugh and think 'hang on a minute!' - I took no real offence.

Re: negative comments by others.  If this was a predominantly UK based forum, I don't have to tell you what would have been typed in a reversed situation.  Its water off a ducks back, mate.  I don't recall seeing anything offensive.  I'll have another read.

But yes, personally I would recommend France to be target numero uno!  It shouldn't be too hard - what is it that Groundskeeper Willy call them - Cheese, eating surrender monkeys! :lol:   (For any French reading this - JOKE! - I'm going on holiday to your beautiful country in 2 weeks time)

Good to know I'm not alone in here taking abuse from the Seppo's ;)
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: ModernSurvival on April 24, 2009, 09:27:06 AM
In the interest of being an equal opportunity offender and offending the Germans on behalf of the British I present the following.

About 1975 a British airline pilot had just landed in Berlin and was having trouble understanding a member of German air traffic control due to a heavy German accent.  After asking the German to repeat himself several times the German screams out to the British pilot in a coarse German accent, "what the hell is wrong with you, haven't you ever been to Berlin before"?

There is then a 5 second pause followed by a beautiful British voice that says "Why yes I have been to Berlin before but it was a very long time ago, it was very dark and we didn't land"?

Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: TrashCanMan on April 24, 2009, 09:30:16 AM
Hehehe  :D
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: TomGood on April 24, 2009, 11:51:26 AM
And a big Welcome to TrashCanMan and The Limey...

i would probably say that there are quite a few listeners/readers from the good old UK.. not to mention those that have already posted on here, so youre joining a growing number of preppers in these fair shores..

in regards to recent comments my 'one mans view' as jack would say it is..
very few prepper websites or American podcast even acknowledge there is an International or UK let alone have forum space or mention it in the webcast so be thankful that good old jack recognizes his international audience and mentions them at all.. (soo here here jack, and thanks for the webcast, forum's and sharing your advice).. besides there seems little point in getting upset if you disagree with jacks pisspot statement either in tone, content or because your just looking to get offended, not only is it as he states his opinion of which he more than entitled to but its not like anyone government or country has got it total right yet... just like each of us, each country is just trying to find their own path in this crazy world

"People take different roads seeking fulfillment and happiness. Just because they`re not on your road doesn`t mean they`ve gotten lost. "

i mean can you imagine what the uk would be like if you tried to translate the US style of government and laws here and vica versa.. the cultural differences with our cross the pond brothers and sisters means that it would be a massive disaster...guns in an overcrowded place like the uk would be a disaster.. all them "hoody chavs" packing guns instead of just knives.. dear god!!! it only takes a coward to shoot somebody but it takes a certain severity of mental illness to stick someone with a knife. after all them kids responsible for the knife crimes and other asbo misdemeanours that the media like to whip up into gang members running amuke are just that.. kids..scared and messed up .. not vicious killers or psychopaths..

oh and just one more point whilst im ranting away here.. and please take this in the though provoking tone that its meant rather than an invitation to be offended. but since this is the 21st century dont you all think that we cant just get along.. crazy idea but lets drop this whole  "them and us" and not just recognize that we are all citizens of this world and we all have identical goals ( aptly demonstrated by this international forum of people all identifying with the same concerns,  goals, desire to share knowledge)......


anyhows.. what i was meant to be posting about was information... specifically good sources of information. it being the key to being prepared for lifes twists and turns i was wondering where peeps get their daily fix from.. i mean the bbc as we all know is pretty good and relatively impartial (or at least it should be) but for a more rounded all sides view where do we all get the latest from???...


my two recommendations are

http://www.guerrillanews.com/

http://www.disinfo.com/content/

again take these with a pinch of salt and remember that we all have biases and spins.. but they are quite good for a different take on world events and sometime point out stuff suppressed or skipped by mainsteam media like the bbc or those owned by Rupert Murdoch and his chums......

my other question was does anyone have recommendation for uk based trainning?? since the USA seems to have a lot of surival/wilderness school i was wondering if anyone knows of some good uk based ones...????

Tom....

Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: TrashCanMan on April 24, 2009, 01:39:54 PM
Hi Tom :)

I want to leave all this 'piss hole' talk alone now.  Its been done to death and I'm getting bored of it.  LOL

As you so rightly say, we are here as survivalists/preppers/whatever you want to call yourself and we should all play nicely together.  Even the French.  And the Germans.   ;D

So back to a proper discussion.  News resources.

I'm going to check out those links when I get a couple of minutes spare.  I do look at the BBC website for news but I sometimes wonder what is being manipulated/left out/hyped up and I'm 100% not one of those tin foil hat wearing folk!  I tend to take my news from a variety of sources, such as Reuters, Yahoo news, etc.

UK based training wise - a good place to check out is BushcraftUK.com for reviews on training places.  I've personally not done any yet but would like to.  I'm really tempted to go to the Bushmoot in August but I can't book it yet as I might be working in Los Angeles in August.  Just waiting to find out for sure.
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: The Limey on April 24, 2009, 03:21:51 PM
Hi guys even i laughed out load when Jack said to stick my gun control up my ass not sure how to do that
Mark
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: The Limey on April 24, 2009, 03:34:52 PM
This is one of my favorite news  sites
 www.eureferendum.blogspot.com
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: ModernSurvival on April 24, 2009, 03:42:43 PM
Hi guys even i laughed out load when Jack said to stick my gun control up my ass not sure how to do that
Mark

When you do figure it out let me know, I have a few congressmen, a few senators and some cabinet members I really would like to send step by step instructions to.  ;)
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: Morning Sunshine on April 24, 2009, 04:46:52 PM
TomGood - +1 for the handle.... I LOVE Good Neighbors.  my FIL recommended it to us when he discovered I wanted chickens and a goat.
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: TrashCanMan on April 25, 2009, 02:22:00 PM
TomGood - +1 for the handle.... I LOVE Good Neighbors.  my FIL recommended it to us when he discovered I wanted chickens and a goat.

Is it known as 'Good Neighbours' stateside?  Its called 'The Good Life' here.
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: Morning Sunshine on April 25, 2009, 04:56:16 PM
Is it known as 'Good Neighbours' stateside?  Its called 'The Good Life' here.

yup.  I had forgotten that it is "Good Life" over there.  They must have changed the credits too for us because the opening credits on the DVDs say "Good Neighbors."  I love when Jerry comes on the screen - he is the perfect foil for the Goods.
Good show.
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: TomGood on April 27, 2009, 11:34:25 AM
soo now that its confirmed here...

how long till tesco's sees queues of the masses panic buying...???
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: TrashCanMan on April 27, 2009, 02:22:56 PM
The minute its confirmed in England I think we'll notice it.  :-\
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: bowdrill on May 05, 2009, 03:21:19 PM
hi to you all  from Wales nice to meet you all
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: TrashCanMan on May 05, 2009, 04:19:50 PM
Hi Bowdrill

Just came back from a hiking trip in Beddgelert last weekend - Lovely place :)
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: TomGood on May 06, 2009, 01:51:44 PM
Hi Bowdrill

Welcome to the boards..

Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: Andy44 on May 14, 2009, 03:50:34 AM
Hi All from the West Midlands!

I've always been survival minded, and have been listening to Jack since Christmas (I went back and listened to all the "crappy audio" shows too). Have only just got round to joining the Forum and MSB!

Good to see some UK survivalists/preppers!
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: TrashCanMan on May 17, 2009, 05:17:03 PM
Hi Andy

The UK's getting a strong representation now :)
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: Rosesandtea on May 22, 2009, 05:19:10 AM
Hi Bowdrill and Andy,
welcome to the forums from an Okie who lives in England.
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: JetstreamJonny on June 25, 2009, 06:26:25 AM
Hello everyone, I've not been looking at the forum for quite a while, nice to see more of you here.
Tom, here are some survival schools that I have experience with:
First is good old Woodlore http://www.raymears.com/ (http://www.raymears.com/)  His Rayness himself. My wife and I did a course with them a few years ago and it was brilliant as you might expect.
Second - Trueways http://www.survival-school.org/Default.aspx?tabid=297, (http://www.survival-school.org/Default.aspx?tabid=297,) Chris Caine is amazing, an absolute authority on wild foods and his instructors include legends like Lofty Wiseman.
Third - Woodsmoke http://www.woodsmoke.uk.com/ (http://www.woodsmoke.uk.com/) I haven't attended any of their courses but I have been instructed by Ben McNutt when he was an instructor at Woodlore and he was excellent.
On a different note - do any of you have experience shooting rabbits with airguns? My friend Simon and I have been out on several sorties and so far the score is about 5 - Nil to the rabbits.
We need simple instructions in words of one syllable to explain the process of getting close enough (I reckon 40 yards max) to blast the little beggars humanely!
Cheers all - Jonny
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: TomGood on July 19, 2009, 08:34:59 AM
Much Thanks JetStream. Will have to check them out.

aim to go to at least one of them this year and will report back :)
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: TrashCanMan on July 19, 2009, 02:13:14 PM
Hey guys/gals.  (Actually, UK thread so should be 'Hi blokes/birds')

I'm trying to organise a bit of a UK meetup so if you're interested, check out this thread..... 

http://thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/index.php?topic=5981.0 (http://thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/index.php?topic=5981.0)

:)
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: EnglishBrambles on July 22, 2009, 04:14:44 PM
Hi all!

So how many UK'ers have we got on board then?

What do we think of Jack's comment about England being a 'Piss Hole'?  :D

Like some others who have posted I sat up and took notice when it was said. Upon reflection, there are some great things about the country and so not so great things. My thoughts are unless you think that Parliament etc. are doing a tip-top job there's no really reason to be offended.
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: TrashCanMan on July 31, 2009, 03:18:28 AM
This is a little bump after Jack mentioned the International forums in the last podcast.

For any new UK visitors, don't be scared!  Feel free to post in here and say hi.  :)
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: Justin on August 03, 2009, 06:57:55 AM
Hi boys and girls

Just thought I'd join the forum as I haven't really bothered doing it before.

I've listened to the podcast since about episode 70 or 80 I think so I'm not altogether new to the ideas represented.  Kind of graduated to Jack and survivalism in general over the past 2 years due to watching some programmes on TV that got me thinking about the possible dangers of not planning for the worst.

I have slowly built up my library to include about 25 or 30 books on various related subjects (woodwork, construction, farming / gardening, primitive skills, etc) but haven't really had the chance to put anything into practice really due to lack of time.  Apart from construction, as I'm a surveyor.  That said, I'm not totally daft and can quite happily follow everything I've read and could put it into practice.  Maybe not well but at least enough to save me and the wife.  She thinks I'm pretty crazy btw but hasn't really put up much resistance to my planning.  Funnily enough , she complains more about my books than the 40 days of food we now have.

Otherwise, I noticed some of you people shoot air rifles, so I spose I should say I do too.  I have a Weihrauch H35.  Big, old and heavy but accurate as hell.  I also have an Aya Yeoman over and under 12 gauge locked away in the safe and have been practicing Wing Tsun for the past couple of years.  Hopefully (though I'm not too sure on how useful it will be) we will be learning to sail after the summer so I will be able to use a boat to some extent.

At the moment, I'm trying to plug any glaring holes in my plans.  The main one is our reliance of shops for food but I cannot really do that much until we move house.

Anyways, enough of my chatter.  Nice to 'meet' you all.
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: TrashCanMan on August 03, 2009, 01:18:38 PM
Welcome to the forum :)

With the UK legal limit on air rifles' power, are they powerful enough to hunt small game with?

Whereabouts in the UK do you live?
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: spooky-1 on August 03, 2009, 01:26:09 PM
I've been on temporary duty to RAF lakenheath and REALLY enjoyed going to all the airgun shops around the town. they really take airgunning serious, I almost purchased a suppressor (off the shelf BTW) for a pneumatic airgun I own but did not know the legal issues with suppressors for airguns. I know firearms is a no-no but airguns are not classified as firearms. right?

Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: TrashCanMan on August 03, 2009, 01:30:22 PM
Firearms aren't a complete no-no.  You can own shotguns but you need a licence, it is very restricted and you can only own them for sporting reasons.  Self-defence is not a reason to own a firearm in the eyes of UK law.

I think anyone can own an air-rifle of legal age without licences required but they are limited in their power.

I really need to do some more research as I wish to own a shotgun for clay pigeon shooting.

edit - typo
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: romeo hotel on August 03, 2009, 09:56:10 PM
I was stationed in the UK, East Anglia.  Had a great time there.
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: Justin on August 04, 2009, 03:11:39 AM
As far as I know, the legal limit on air rifles is 12 fps unless you have a firearms license, which is pretty poor but will still take rabbits and pigeons under 30 metres.  Actually, my Weihrauch will take them at about 40-50 metres but that really is pushing it and I don't really like injuring animals instead of outright killing them.  I think the age limit, not that it applies to me, is 18 years of age for the purchasing of an air rifle but you can own one at 16 if it is bought for you.

Getting the shotgun license was not that difficult really.  You need a secure house and a gun safe but that's pretty much it.  I use mine for clays as I don't have any hunting rights sorted out as yet.

I would love a .22 rim fire but the firearm license is a pain as you need to be part of a shooting club which I really don't have the time for.
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: TrashCanMan on August 04, 2009, 10:00:18 AM
I also don't have time for shooting clubs so firearms are a no-go for me :(

Did you have to have a police interview for the shotgun licence?  Was this at the station or your home if so?
How often do you renew it?  Any good UK gun/ammo suppliers you can recommend?

Sorry for all the questions!  You're the first person I've been able to ask about it.
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: Justin on August 04, 2009, 10:46:09 AM
Ok, so the 12 fps for the air rifle is so so wrong.  It should be 12 ft lbs.  I can run faster than 12 fps...

Anyways, the shotgun license was relatively painless to get.  The interview was at my own home but I think that's so they can check security, the gun safe and make sure you don't gut small children, etc.

Costs £50 to get it the first time and lasts 5 years.  They can and will take it away for any minor infraction tho.  Which is only right really.  Think renewal is about £40.

As for shops, I used Chichester Armoury, in West Sussex, but John Forsey Guns in Kent are good people, I got my air rifle from them and they know their guns.  Not sure if that helps as I'm not sure where you live.  I would say tho that any shop that tries to make you buy a particular gun (as opposed to just a receommendation) is probably not one you want to buy from.  I must have spent about half an hour trying to decide even though I already knew the one I really wanted and they were happy to bear with me...  ::)
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: TrashCanMan on August 04, 2009, 02:18:44 PM
Well I work in Chichester around one day a week so will have to check Chichester Armoury out, thanks :)

I do have a 2 year old but I had already thought about this.  I was thinking about having a regular key style padlock on the gun safe and in addition, a padlock with a code system so even if you had my keys, you would not have the number that was written down only in my mind.
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: Justin on August 05, 2009, 05:26:46 AM
i got my safe from bratton sound and it has 2 internal locks on it.  i find it safe enough but understand the concern with kiddies about.  I personally keep one set of keys on my key ring and another in a very safe place that isn't in my house.  You can lose your license if anyone even knows where to find you keys as it is classified as them having access to a shotgun without a license and you letting them.  I think the code lock is a good idea though and may get safe with one built in when we move house.
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: WillWill000 on August 11, 2009, 11:02:43 AM
Another brit here, checking in due to Jack's incessant nagging  ;D

Nothing to contribute right now, but I joined a while back and I'll keep checking in.
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: TrashCanMan on August 11, 2009, 02:29:53 PM
Hi Will :)

I'm definately more of a 'learner' than a contributor on these forums but hopefully over time I will post pictures and write ups of my little projects.

Good to see yet another Brit and I'm gonna give you your first +1 karma for posting in here :)

I KNOW we have more Brit listeners percentage wise compared to Brit listeners signed up to the forum.  I really want more Brits on board as there are obvious differences to our preparation strategies and climate, laws etc as well as the commonalities with our Stateside counterparts.
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: Justin on August 12, 2009, 01:54:07 PM
Hi Will

Welcome from one newbie to another.

Not really linked to your arrival but I spose what we should really talk about in this forum is the things which need to be altered from Jack's (and others, obviously) thoughts on things to fit into a British life style and / or legal system.

I'll start things with the following:



Anyways, enough of me.  Your turn!  ;)
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: Nirgal on August 13, 2009, 12:28:18 PM
Well I only heard about the podcast last week so have been catching up on quite a few, darting between past and present.

And er, hi all. I posted in introductions yesterday. I'm late 30s, been learning all about this stuff for about a year and, for my sins, am a moderator on a new UK based forum. I was asked by a mod yesterday to post a link but I'll hold fire on that until I get a reply from my PM. (It's only polite  ;) )
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: TrashCanMan on August 13, 2009, 04:26:50 PM
Hey Nirgal, welcome aboard :)
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: WillWill000 on August 14, 2009, 04:37:35 PM
Hi Will

Welcome from one newbie to another.

Not really linked to your arrival but I spose what we should really talk about in this forum is the things which need to be altered from Jack's (and others, obviously) thoughts on things to fit into a British life style and / or legal system.

I'll start things with the following:

  • Fire arms are a bugger to get hold of and the police look unkindly at having them for self-defence purposes only.  The only legal ones are (max 3 cartridge) shotguns with a shotgun license and a rifle with a fire arms license.
  • Some of the specific plants spoken of are a non-starter in Britain.  Most veg are fine unless you get crazy but we need to find a UK farmers almanac for frost dates etc.  On a permaculture slant, a list of good British varieties could be useful.  I plan on trying some when I move but may be good to see what others have that work.
  • Food storage is different slightly as I have no idea about some of the brands spoken about.  A list of British foods that store well and cost little would be good.I have no intentions of buying wheat but would not have a clue where to buy it even if I did...
  • Booklist of British food plants for a worst case scenario would be handy.  "Food for Free" is both cheap and good but only has 100 or so plants.  Hopefully won't have to live on these but they come in handy when looking for permaculture again.


Anyways, enough of me.  Your turn!  ;)

Hello back at everyone!

Well, I know that bowhunting is illegal here (except for fish) - but does anyone know what exactly could I hunt with? A shotgun obviously, but anything that doesn't involve the runaround with police inspections and gun safes, etc? Air rifle I know. Spear? Atlatl? Slingshot? Nets? Big rocks?

Does anyone know of a cheaper way to buy canned food than just picking up a few extras at Tesco with the weekly shop? I know eat what you store and store what you eat, but if there is a cheaper way to get canned food in bulk, it would be handy.

Edit: What about a list of UK-based preparedness/outdoor suppliers? Such as, where do I got if I want to buy big barrels for water storage? Or which of the many outdoor-supply websites have people here actually used, and give good service?
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: Justin on August 15, 2009, 04:16:05 AM
A spring powered air rifle under 12 ft lbs is the best legal option as far as I can see.  No license, no need for gas, pellets are cheap, legal for small animals and birds, etc.

A shotgun license isn't really that much of a hastle to get to be honest.  As long as you are not 'known' to the police.  Took me 4 hours to fit the safe but mainly because I had a real hassle with my walls.  My inspection was less an interview or inspection than a chat with a guy interested in guns who gave me a bit of advise on how not to lose the license.

As with bows, I doubt atlatls, etc would be legal for hunting.  Gill nets are illegal I think.  Sure I read something about them the other day saying that.  Snares are not illegal but the locking snares are.

Best place for cheap as chips canned goods would be Lidl or one of the other 'bottom end' shops.  I haven't been in a while but I guess that rice and other staples would be cheaper there than any where else.  If you can get a Macros card, I'd suggest going there as they do goods in bulk.

I tend not to use outdoor stores as they cost quite a bit for the same stuff I can get off ebay or similar.  I have bought stuff from Cotswold stores before.  Seem quite good to me tho not cheap.  I tend to use outdoor stores to have a hands on test and look at what I want to buy, then buy online.  Not very nice for them but a lot cheaper for me.
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: JetstreamJonny on August 17, 2009, 12:32:54 PM
Hello all - and specially to the new guys, welcome. Great to see the UK prepping community growing.
I just found the following on Snares, (on the anti-snaring campain website!) - to say they are legal is simplifying it rather!
"Snare Laws in England and Wales
The use of snares in Britain is regulated under the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981.

Under the Act it is an offence for a person:

1.to set a self-locking snare in such a way as to be calculated to cause bodily injury to any wild animal. (Section 11(1)(a).)
2.to kill or take any wild animal using a self-locking snare. (Section 11(1)(b).)

3.to set a snare (or other article) in such a way as to be calculated to cause bodily injury to any animal listed in Schedule 6 of the Act (e.g., a badger). (Section 11(2)(a).)

4.to kill or take any animal listed in Schedule 6 of the Act (e.g., a badger) using a snare. (Section 11(2)(b).)

5.who sets a snare to fail to inspect that snare (or have someone else inspect it) at least once every day. (Section 11(3)(b).)
6.to set any type of snare unless they are an 'authorised person' under the Act (that is, the owner or occupier of the land on which the snare is set, any person authorised by the owner or occupier of the land, or a person authorised in writing by the Local Authority for the area. (Section 27(1).)

7.to possess a snare for the purpose of committing any of the above offences. (Section 18(2).)
Under the Deer Act 1991 it is an offence to use snares to kill or take deer.

To sum up, the use of self-locking snares, the setting of any type of snare in places where they are likely to catch badgers, failure to inspect snares on a daily basis, and setting snares on land without permission, are all offences under the Wildlife and Countryside Act."
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: TomGood on August 25, 2009, 12:17:16 PM
Greetings all

been awhile.. (hopefully this post will be ok and not break any kind of forum rules)

in my continuing dream of living the "good life" lifestyle,  i wanted to increase my veggie production and so last year i bought some true breed seeds instead of the the hybrid seeds stuff you usual get in seed packets.

after some research i bought a wide variety of different types from the following site

http://www.realseeds.co.uk/ (http://www.realseeds.co.uk/)

and so far I've not been disappointed.. I've had really good germination success (much better than last years store bought crop) and the harvest looks really promising and the quality as always with home grown is excellent.

anyhows whilst I'm in no way affiliated with the site or company i just thought id recommend the site as the service, product and support/instruction have been really good. i will update again next year when i harvest the seeds and see how well the 2nd generation germinates...


regards

Tom



ps
oh and id really like to increase my growing area next year and so would really like an allotment to increase my yield but after being on a number of lists for a while with no success I've pretty much given up hope of getting a allotment. however i recently heard a rumour that if you have 6 people interested in an allotment the council have to get find you a spot.. can anyone confirm or deny this???
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: Rosesandtea on September 01, 2009, 12:21:29 PM
For clearance, short-dated, and out of date foods try:

http://www.approvedfood.co.uk/ (http://www.approvedfood.co.uk/)  - I've bought from them and was pleased.   There are many things there with still a good date on them (i.e. I think I bought jam with a 2012 date on them) and if you are fussy about dates, getting short date items to eat soon can still save you money which you can spend on real preps!

Another company I know of for this type of thing is: http://www.foodbargains.co.uk/pages/food_bargains.html (http://www.foodbargains.co.uk/pages/food_bargains.html)
but I have not ordered from them yet.

Look for shops own brands for tinned goods, or keep an eye out for the sales (look on the websites for the major supermarkets every week or so, to see what they have on special offer).   I find that buying from Asda (I do it online) saves me quite a lot of money. 

I'm thinking of setting up a shell company in order to buy from wholesalers - but as I still won't have huge orders due to budget, I'm not sure I will.

TomGood, I bought seeds from Realseeds and I think they are good.   

I would love to get some sort of group buy going on for various goods, but that only works if the people are near enough to divvy it up when it comes in.
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: Fenris on October 11, 2009, 05:21:19 AM
My first post and a virgin forum user (any forum for that matter) but just to say I’m in the UK, Sussex area working and traveling to London daily. Finally pulled my head out of the sand a year and 6 months ago and got to grips with my past that I had forgotten. spent many summers as a boy working on a farm in summerset, spent my life as kid out in wood never happy in house then I spent 8 year in the Territorial Army here in the UK left in 2000, helped as a scout leader for a few year but as like most people got stuck in to the day job to pay the bills for the thing we just did not need and drifted from my love of the outdoors.

But now were had chickens for a year and off to 1 day course next Sunday (egg to table) should be fun. Veg has been doing well but need to expand. Couple of fruit trees in last week.

And Have my shotgun licenses, great for shooting a few clays at the weekend and a bit of game, if required!!

So this is Fenris in the UK my first shout out one of many I hope.
 ::)
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: Nirgal on October 11, 2009, 01:31:12 PM
Hi Fenris. Not too far from you, although I am Norf of the river so-to-speak. Work in the smoke for my sins but in the process of looking for work elsewhere. Just can't stand being around this many people anymore.

I drop in here from time to time as this isn't my "first-job" but it's a great site with many transferable (to U.K.) skills.
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: TrashCanMan on October 11, 2009, 01:58:50 PM
Hi Fenris, welcome to the forum :)
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: Rosesandtea on October 12, 2009, 04:59:57 PM
Hi fenris,
welcome to the forum.

I'm from the US but my husband is English - from Somerset in fact, and he helped on some farms during holidays in his youth.  We have chickens too here in Oxon.

I hope you enjoy the boards here.
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: Justin on October 13, 2009, 02:49:09 PM
Hi Fenris

Glad to see more people on the British board.

I like the chickens and eggs and fruit trees (and shotgun) way of living you have going on.

I plan to get chicken and fruit trees as soon as we (the wife and me, not you and me...) move into our new home.  and get a springer spaniel.

Also planning a trip to my uncles in France to learn basket weaving this winter.  Not an essential skill, I grant you, but still handy to have.

Anyways, back to lurking...

:-)
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: TrashCanMan on October 14, 2009, 02:24:44 PM
Quote
as soon as we (the wife and me, not you and me...)

Brilliant! LOL
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: Fenris on October 26, 2009, 09:45:11 AM
Thanks for the welcome, great to know there's a lot of like thinkers here in the UK. Just spent the last couple of weeks surfing the boards there's is some great information out there so much to take in.
Just been on a meat chicken course last weekend can recommend to anyone looking to keep both layers and meat birds at some stage. Call egg to table run by Moonraker farm just a simple smallholders plot. Any way be safe
fenris

Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: tiberius on August 24, 2010, 09:39:55 AM
Bump,
Hello there,
I'm from Liverpool, the North West, near Lancashire.
Any one in this neck of the woods?
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: Tejun on August 26, 2010, 10:45:28 AM
From Yorkshire.  Found the site through Google and listen to the podcasts on my Android phone.

I wonder who is the furthest north?
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: Rosesandtea on September 10, 2010, 04:49:56 PM
Hello Tiberius and Tejun.   
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: Spaghetti and Sauce on September 11, 2010, 11:06:24 AM
Hello all. Completely new to prepping, and living in Hertfordshire UK.
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: Rosesandtea on September 12, 2010, 07:41:36 AM
Hello all. Completely new to prepping, and living in Hertfordshire UK.

Hi Spaghetti and Sauce, glad to meet you.   
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: Nirgal on September 14, 2010, 11:36:48 AM
Bump indeed. Hello to the n00bs.

My 20 is the damn capital, doesn't get much further South(East).  :D
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: TomGood on October 14, 2010, 02:32:30 AM
greetings again, long time no posting, so long in fact they deleted my old account. serves me right for reading and not contributing..

and in that spirit and in light of jacks podcast

check out the following links, ones more american than internation but still rings true..

http://boingboing.net/2008/07/28/law-prof-and-cop-agr.html (http://boingboing.net/2008/07/28/law-prof-and-cop-agr.html)


but the other one is directly about good old blighty..

http://www.tpuc.org/node/558 (http://www.tpuc.org/node/558)

both imho and worth the time it takes to watch them..

enjoy
Tom Good

Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: stevebluff on October 29, 2010, 01:34:25 AM
Hi All, also first time back on the forum for a long old time (2008 was my last post i think).  Glad to see the UK part is still rolling.

BR

Steve
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: joejoe on November 26, 2010, 05:29:55 PM
Hi guys, Joe here from Scotland Uk, just looking through the threads on this topic and its looking like im the first up here or has someone beat me to it  :D
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: stevebluff on November 28, 2010, 02:49:08 AM
Hi,

Not seen another Scotish prepper as i can recal. judging by the weather reports you should be digging in and practising your snow holes and igloos..  At least your preps will see you through the long winter.

Best rergards

Steve
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: joejoe on December 01, 2010, 01:41:27 PM
It was down to -9 deg C when I was out on the hills at the weekend plus theres been about 4-6 ft of snow in places, im feeling a lot better with the bug out bag in the back of the car. Its geared up for use below -20 so im hoping to try it out if temp drop a bit  :o
Even started stocking up some food incase the supermarkets run out.
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: salan on December 02, 2010, 04:01:39 AM
Hi all,
Been listening to the podcasts fora few months now.
Really enjoying them.
Based in Cheshire, anyone else form this neck of the woods?
Alan
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: joejoe on December 02, 2010, 12:35:38 PM
Hi Alan, how the weather down your way, you guys got snow too.  joe
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: littledavesab on March 10, 2011, 06:11:59 PM
Im a newbie.  Like podcasts and frequent another board which shares some similarities with this but is more gold bug orientated.   I am not that much of a goldie however.

Am nowhere on the prepping stage as yet although could do without a car fairly easily.   I dont think that peak oil is gonnna end civilisation.  Not sure where we are on the debt supercycle but is something to be wary of.

Thinking of starting off gently at first by planting some fruit and veg in the garden.  Yes planting season is upon us!
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: Carnwaj on April 15, 2011, 09:17:02 AM
Hi everyone another +1 from the UK.

Long time listener of Jack and think the guy should run for President!

Always good to think how Jack's ideas would translate to the UK. I listen to the podcasts when I'm out running to take my mind off the canal tow path.

Wonder what the US listers would think if we translated the cost of living (fuel, taxes, groceries) into dollars. I think there would be a revolution over in the US if they had to pay the same crap we do. £100 to fill up my car recently. :o
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: bravotwozero on April 15, 2011, 11:47:39 AM
Everything is relative.  Wages are much higher in the UK and we don't pay for health insurance.

Fuel is cheaper but bearing in mind 95% of vehicles dont get greater than 20mpg fuel aint cheap.

Groceries are bloody expensive.  I used to think the US was cheap on vacation, bear in mind it used to be 1 quid = 2 dollars.

I'm from Manchester originally, my wife is American and we life in Alabama.

You guys need to LOVE the NHS because you have no idea how bad healthcare can get.
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: Tejun on May 13, 2011, 05:43:50 AM
Hello again.  Glad the forum did not delete my account.

At the moment things are fun (in that way that makes you sad).  So what I do have in my small collection of stuff like tents needs to get aired over the next few days.  Best check on the waterproof and see if they need to get redone.

St the moment I am looking into small charging units.  Well solar powered lights you get for a few pounds now.  Mostly to use as a day charger for my amateur radio handheld/base station.  5 cells will bring out 10-12W depending on the daylight.  So even if the power goes out for a short while I can get working on the radio when power goes out.

So hi to all the UK members and this time of year is a good time to check out your stuff.  ;)  Have fun all.
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: jericanman on August 24, 2011, 08:27:25 AM
im from dorset. sunny south england... well when its not raining  ;)

been listening for a while. thought id jump on the forums at last
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: TomGood on September 01, 2011, 12:20:57 PM
Hiya UK people.

welcome to jericanman and a big hello to everyone else.

I am on the look out for a place in the UK that resells shelf reliance fifo can rotation systems or something very similar. i have been scouring the i-net to no avail. I emailed shelf reliance and ask directly if they shipped here or if they had a authorised reseller and whilst very helpful and polite and with a quick response the answer was a no not yet come back and check in future in-case we have decided too..

it such a shame (but understandable in the context of the majority of jacks listeners) that a lot of the sponsors of the show and the discounts in the MSB are only applicable in the US.  that's not to say that of course being a MSB member isn't totally worth it if you do live in dear old blighty... and for the most part i have been able to source some of the great things elsewhere or get it shipped to the UK (like books etc..).. however the can system i havent been able to yet.

Whilst i would usually prefer to build something like this myself due to my storage setup it would look much better if it was slightly more professionally made... :) rather than my usual rustic but functional efforts of construction :)


Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: jericanman on September 04, 2011, 07:45:19 AM
cant think of anywhere that does.
 use the old  shelf system.( put new stuff on the left , use the stuff on the far right , and just slide it along as you go)

i imagine the instructables website probably has a self build design on it.
i
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: Rosesandtea on September 13, 2011, 04:44:46 PM
Hi Jericanman and anyone else that is new.  I've not been on in a long while, but was reminded very recently of the forum and so thought I'd pop in.    Welcome!

Jericanman, love your verse!
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: aman on September 13, 2011, 06:06:47 PM
Hi there

I am from Cornwall in the far SW of the UK

I heard about the survival podcast through a thread about aquaponics on Prepared2Survive forum in the UK

I have become an avid daily listener ever since and I am slowly working my way though the back episodes.

I am mainly interested in the food production/storage, alternative energy and frugal living sides of the podcasts but it is good to listen to all jack has to say.

I am now enjoying exploring the forum as well an hope to get to know some of you better

Thanks

aman

Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: Rosesandtea on September 30, 2011, 05:11:06 AM
Hi there

I am from Cornwall in the far SW of the UK

I heard about the survival podcast through a thread about aquaponics on Prepared2Survive forum in the UK

I have become an avid daily listener ever since and I am slowly working my way though the back episodes.

I am mainly interested in the food production/storage, alternative energy and frugal living sides of the podcasts but it is good to listen to all jack has to say.

I am now enjoying exploring the forum as well an hope to get to know some of you better

Thanks

aman

Hi Aman and welcome to the forum.   I haven't listened to Jack's podcasts for a while but they are very good.  There is a recent one I'd like to listen to now, on "unschooling".     
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: TomGood on October 03, 2011, 05:43:00 AM
hiya all

i asked awhile back about trainning in the uk, and boy im glad i did. i finally got around to doing a couple of courses and i cannot recommend http://www.woodsmoke.uk.com/  enough... seriously these guys and gals really know there stuff.

i only wish that i had attended them earlier as it would have saved me soo much money in not buying useless and actually some dangerous kit. really guys there are some things out there that are plain dangerous for normal hiking let alone if things got "serious". prime example those stupid surivial straws...

i would truely recommend them to anyone regardless of previous experience, regardless of what you think you know these lot can teach you a hell of a lot. (some serious military people were on some course and they gave amazing feedback).. as well as old ladies, house wives, you name it.....

<disclaimer> i am in no way affliated / employeed or otherwise linked to woodsmoke <disclaimer> i dont know about the other courses/places recommended to me and i might get around to them someday but for now i am more than happy with the woodsmoke place and people and will deffo be going back for more.. 

cant recommend them enough..

take cares

tom
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: Ada on March 31, 2012, 03:03:18 AM
Hey, UK! I'm going to London, is there any where I can get mylar bags and o2 absorbers in london (: ?
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: KellyAnn on March 31, 2012, 12:48:03 PM
I found a website, but they're not in London http://www.mylarbags.co.uk/
I also found a place that sells mylar bags, by not the O2 absorbers http://www.printingblue.co.uk/mylar-bags-printing.asp
Here in the USA, we've got things sold as handwarmers that basically do the same thing as O2 absorbers.  Maybe you've got something similar there?
Mail order just might just be your best bet.
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: Rosesandtea on May 03, 2012, 10:36:26 AM
Just checking in - been ages, sorry.   
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: topcatuk2 on January 01, 2013, 03:39:17 PM
Evening all.  Noob prepper from Dorset.  Just recently came across the podcasts.  Good for listening to on long drives, in the bath, getting through housework.  Main goal is to start gvetting 1 month of food and water together a\nd go from there.  Also just joined the 13 skills website.
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: Theonewhoismatt on January 07, 2013, 06:54:36 AM
Just joined! Hi all!
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: Tejun on February 19, 2013, 03:55:50 AM
As mentioned in this thread about prepping and training you could try Trueways.  Run by John Wiseman who wrote the SAS survival manual, he does not only outdoors but also urban survival as well.

Trueways survival (http://"http://www.truewayssurvival.com/school/Survival-Experts/Lofty-Wiseman-Survival-Expert.html")
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: Nirgal on March 16, 2013, 10:37:53 AM
I wanted to let you know that there has been some upheavals of late over at P2S.

Out of the original founding members only the owner remains. The main organiser (and energy) of all UK RVs has stepped down an requested all his posts be deleted (they have not); two long-standing administrators have stepped down and many mods have followed.

I have no idea what plans are afoot for what remains of the forum, I do know that we have all left with a very bitter taste in our mouths.

A salutory lesson in trusting like-minded individuals...
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: Evil kilt on April 12, 2013, 03:30:22 PM
SCORE!!!!!!!!
im in shropshire ,so glad to find normal folk at last .My shite needs to change and this is were it starts throw me a message if your in my area
so glad that there is a few Brits on here
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: Rosesandtea on July 08, 2013, 06:49:34 AM
Hi to Topcat, theonewhoisMatt, and evil kilt. 

I sure need to get back to this forum more often!
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: bigpaul on November 28, 2014, 08:25:10 AM
Bigpaul signing in, just joined the site. I'm in North Devon.
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: The FOM on November 28, 2014, 10:42:09 AM
Hi all,

Been on hear for a while but not found this thread. I am a farmer and grower from deepest darkest flattest Essex. I hope to chat to you all.
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: rrunner75 on January 18, 2015, 01:29:24 PM
Hey Ya'll!!!  I am a Hillbilly that moved over to the UK.  I lived in North Georgia with the crazies and wildcats.  I had a 3 acre homestead.  Had dogs, cats, goats and chickens.  Also, I had about 30 varieties of fruit bearing trees and shrubs in a "semi-food forest" set up.  I sold it all and moved to Chesham, Buckinghamshire, UK.  Now I live in a partial Victorian Flat at the edge of the Metro London area.  I am a telecom engineer by trade and have been a "house husband" for the past six months.  I was an avid prepper.  With ammo, weapons, seeds, food and the semi skills to be ready for taking my life out of the corporate world to a true simpler lifestyle.  Self sufficient and self reliant to a point.  I have listened to Jack since around episode 75.  The old car days with him ranting and raving at traffic as I was in my commute. 

My life changed.  My wife was offered a role with a Fortune 10 company to come to the UK and be part of the whole of Europe in this, that and the other.  I have two boys(10 and 4) that I may never get to see the world with.  Between the work schedule that I worked and the expectations that my non prepping wife has, let's just say, how often to you get a chance to see the world with your kids, while they still listen to you and while you are physically able to?  We said jump and here we are.  Kids go to public (private for our my people in the USA) English school and have already shown them Dublin and Edinburgh. We plan on more but I have decided to transition from a house husband to back working telecom.  I have been afforded an opportunity to work from home in my field and still be there for my boys.  So, things are much different than I am use to here in the UK.  :) 

The reason I decided to post in the forum is one of several reasons.  One being, I am very alone in my thinking, not of "survival" but of self reliance.  I long to be back to where I almost was. On the precipice of being self sufficient via my income and lifestyle.  I am wondering were most of "my tribe" is.  My kind of people.  Hardy, self reliant people.  No offense but it does seem that there is a lot of people wanting the nanny state to take care of them.  I don't understand that at all.  Also, I am not one of those folks that will sit in the background and only think about myself when shit hits the fan in one form or another.  I think of it as being my responsibility to take care of my neighbors even if my neighbor don't know my name.  Point I am trying to get at, is their any others like me over here or I am going to start from scratch making converts?!? :)  Let me know where ya'll stand.  :)

Later,

Ridge Runner in the UK :)
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: RyanT on June 03, 2015, 02:12:58 AM
Hi all from Yorkshire  :)
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: muleturner on March 16, 2018, 05:55:26 AM
Just waving the flag here.   Been listening through the podcasts while mucking out and upping my prepping game a little.
Title: Re: The United Kingdom
Post by: Chemsoldier on March 16, 2018, 11:35:18 AM
Welcome