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Steven Harris: You can not do that with a thermal camera in any shape or form because all the camera sees is the temperature on the outside of the house. You would have to have a house made out of Germania windows to see the guy with a thermal camera walking around the inside.
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Jack Spirko: <sarcastically> Wow, I'm telling you might my whole spirit has been crushed by the fact that Hollywood would lie to me. I never thought that would happen.
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Steven Harris: Here's the deal with your polytunnel. Your polytunnel will not allow the heat from the plants to go to the sky because the polytunnel is infrared opaque. We got that?
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Jack Spirko: Yes
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Steven Harris: The very top of your very thin plastic polytunnel, it can see the sky.
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Jack Spirko: Okay.
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Steven Harris: The surface of your polytunnel starts to cool down. That then cools down the air on the other side of the polytunnel.
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Jack Spirko: I get a cascading effect basically.
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Steven Harris: You get a cascading effect. That is why it becomes cold with your greenhouse
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Jack Spirko: I'm in a blow you away with learning from you here. This is the exact same effect in reverse when we look at passive cooling of the house. Where the house starts to heat from the top and comes down.
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Steven Harris: Yes.
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Jack Spirko: It is exactly the opposite effect.
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Steven Harris: Yes, I have a book on that. It's called “How to Really Save Money and Energy in Cooling Your Home”
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Jack Spirko: Correct. So it is the same effect flipped around. Cool.
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Steven Harris: Completely. That's why you want to throw something over your greenhouse. If you put a tarp over your greenhouse then the tarp is seeing the nighttime sky. Then there is a air gap between your tarp and your poly so that it is not trying to transfer the coldness. The tarp is going to get cold and it is going to have a hard time transferring that heat to the greenhouse. Then it is going to have a hard time transferring that to the plants. That's why you put something over your plants or between the plant on top of the greenhouse or over-the-top the greenhouse. You are forming that insulative layer that is preventing the coldest from reaching the plant. Which is really prevent heat from leaving the plant to the polytunnel. Which is then preventing the heat from the polytunnel leaving it to the nighttime sky.
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Jack Spirko: Awesome.
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Steven Harris: God I hope some people just are not just sitting there going, “Oh my god. He is speaking....” I try not to speak in tongues. I try to make this as simple as possible.
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Jack Spirko: No... It's pretty simple, if we if we add that layer of insulation then we reduce the heat loss. If you wanted break it down. You just have the big technical explanation. But if you do this you will have more success with your greenhouse.
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Steven Harris: yes absolutely. That's all in "Movable Insulation."
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Jack Spirko: Awesome.
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Steven Harris: If you want to turn your greenhouse into a solar heater that is connected to your house. You want to attach a greenhouse to your house, so you can heat your house with the greenhouse. Then “The Complete Handbook of Solar Air Heating Systems” will help you with some of that science. That's what I was trying to do with Michigan. I was trying to make a greenhouse for my house. Which be more like summer room. Then that would help heat the house in the wintertime.
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Jack Spirko: When I read that, I was thinking that is why I don't live in cities.
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Steven Harris: Exactly. There are people out there who have Home Committee ... What is the residential planning committee?
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Jack Spirko: Homeowners Association.
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Steven Harris: Yeah. People with homeowners association are just going, “Oh my god. I can't even have my grass grow more than 2 inches.
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Jack Spirko: The homeowners association is on my hate list, even higher up on the list than politicians. That is how much I hate the entire concept of the homeowners association. At least they are voluntary thing you enter into when you buy your house, I guess.
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Steven Harris: Well... they are something your wife makes you enter into because she wants to buy the house.
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Jack Spirko: <laughs> Yeah, but not mine. Anyways, in one of your books I believe it was “Sunshine to Dollars” you had a really cool simple thing to do, like hanging black plastic on the inside of the window.
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Steven Harris: Yeah, let me tell you about that. Free stuff for all you guys listening out there. There's something called quality of heat and that was basically the temperature. It has to do with converting long wave infrared to short wave infrared. Here's the thing, you got sunshine coming into the window of your house. If you go get some black plastic trash bag or some black plastic from Home Depot and it is cheap for a role of it. It can be 1 MIL, 2 MIL, or 4 MIL it really doesn't matter. As long as it is a long piece of black plastic. It could be a piece of black bed sheet that you dye black or it could be a bunch of black T-shirts. It is in “Sunshine to Dollars.” I hung it from the curtain rods and it cover the entire window. It was open at the bottom and it was open up top. This is on February day where is 32 (degrees Fahrenheit) outside but inside house temperature was 67 (degrees Fahrenheit). I had 67 degree (Fahrenheit) air going into the bottom of it and 77 degree (Fahrenheit) air coming out of the top of it, because it is increasing quality from being black long wavelength to short wavelength, blah blah blah. That is how simple it is to make a solar air heater with just a black piece of plastic hanging in your southern windows of your house.
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Jack Spirko: I remember reading that and realizing that there was really nothing more to it then hang up a piece of black plastic. I was thinking, even if you didn’t want to do that on a daily basis, the knowledge that if you had a grid down situation for a time that you could just have some plastic set ready to go, have tested out know how to put it really quick, and use your existing curtain rods was extremely valuable.
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Steven Harris: Right.
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Jack Spirko: In fact most people would get it wrong because they would think hanging that piece of black plastic up there what I would help keep the heat out. Which I guess if you taped it to the window that might be true. When you leave it hanging behind the window and you have that airspace back there, that's the spaced it warms up. Then that air circulates into your room.
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Steven Harris: Right. That is why my cat is smarter than you are, when it comes solar heat. My cat understand this principle. The cat has a brain the size of a walnut. The bigger concept behind that piece of hanging plastic is called a Trombe wall. You can look it up on Google or Wikipedia. It's also in "The Complete Handbook of Solar Air Heating Systems." Basically that's where you replace the outside of your house with glass. Again it is always good to use free glass, shown in “Sunshine to Dollars.” You have a air inlets on the bottom and heat outlets on the top. It is a naturally siphoning system, where it syphons in the cold air in the bottom then heats it up and forces out of the top. It creates his own convection. It's called the Trombe wall. It is a very proven concept. That's what that piece of plastic emulates on a very small scale is a Trombe wall or Trombe window. It comes in the bottom and goes out the top. It does it on its own. In fact, you can self siphon water with solar as well because the hot water will rise and want to go up and the cold water will want to come down. You can have a barrel cold water inside and a barrel of hot water outside that is being heated by the sun and it will naturally syphon all the way around until everything is the same temperature.
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Jack Spirko: Awesome. When I was was looking at that I was also wondering if this would work. If you took existing curtains that were opaque enough that you wouldn't mess up your appearance of them by doing this, you could actually line the backside of your curtains with black.
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Steven Harris: Yeah. Even better. Yes you can do and yes that would work. Some of that is covered in "Movable Insulation." Also covered in "Movable Insulation" is something that was done in Oak Ridge National Laboratory (ORNL), which is fabulous. You know what venetian blinds are right?
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Jack Spirko: Correct.
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Steven Harris: You paint one side silvery and one side black. In the summertime you pull the venetian blinds so that silverside is out and reflect the sunshine back out the window. In the winter time you turn them so the black side is facing and it hits the black venetian blinds and wofts in hot air.
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Jack Spirko: Wow. You wonder why nobody is just making them that way. <laughs> If you think about it, that would be pretty genius right there.
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Steven Harris: There there is a business. Any survival podcaster who wants to do this. He wants them for certain sizes and everything else, if you make them I’ll market them. I can reach out to nearly 70,000 people on my email list, who are my customers. If I say come buy it, it works, and it is Harris approved. They will com purchase it. For you to take some really good paint and paint venetian blinds in that color configuration, it will work. But don't believe me, try it at home.
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Jack Spirko: Sure. That is the beauty of this is you can go out and get a cheap set of $9 venetian blinds and try it for yourself.
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Steven Harris: Yep. Use flat black paint on one side which is a $1 a can at Home Depot for the cheapest flat black paint. There is no such thing as mirror paint or chrome paint.
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Jack Spirko: Sure.
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Steven Harris: Any bright white paint or silver paint or one of the reflective paints will work just fine for the other side. There you go, summer, winter, summer, winter.
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Jack Spirko: And just flip them around, that's awesome. Absolutely awesome. I love that you reach out to people and say, “Hey, if somebody wants to do this I will help you.” Maybe I will have you someday do a guest spot on my business podcast, Five Minutes with Jack.
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Steven Harris: Sure any time.
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Jack Spirko: Lets stay on track here though. What else do you have from a solar heating standpoint today?
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Steven Harris: Oh lord, let me look at my list. Solar Ovens. I have got Solar Ovens in “Sunshine to Dollars.” I have got 2 Solar Ovens. I got one I made with the piece of metal inside lining out of a freezer. I just wrapped it with pink insulation, like what would be in your walls. Wrapped it with pink insulation, wire, and duct tape. I put a piece of outdoor wall glass on top of it. It sealed down and made a tight fit just perfectly. Then I made a reflector out of cardboard. Cardboard reflectors are great. If you just want some more heat in your house right now, go get some cardboard. Cut it so it slopes down from your window. Go get aluminium foil. Shiny side up and take some Elmers glue and you dilute it 50-50 with water and you paste on the Elmers glue. Then you paste and put down the aluminum foil. You just bounce more sunshine directly into window right now. That's going to really going to warm things up just for your window, let alone if you put black curtains or black plastic on it. Solar ovens are magical. You do not need to spend $400 or $300 or $200 on a Solar Oven. I show you right in the book how to make one with the wood and foam insulation on the outside. I show you how to make one for free with cheap, free, and available materials. Again it all comes down to getting that glass really cheaper or getting that glass for free, is what really makes it possible.
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Jack Spirko: You made a huge one dude. You made one that made 6 or 12 loaves of bread at one time it was insane.
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Steven Harris: 20 Loaves of bread. <Jack laughs> Basically what I did was I took a freezer and took the metal shell out of the freezer. I put the pink insulation all around it and wrapped it if wire. Then I put cardboard around it. You can actually just take freezer chest or refrigerator chest, because it is already insulated. Not as well as I would like, but it is already insulated. You can put glass on it. Rip the door off and put glass on top of it. Make sure it is sealed or that you can seal it, and that you can lift it up and down. Then you can put reflectors on it, like I just described out of cardboard. My reflector was 6 feet tall. It bounced a tremendous amount of sunshine into it. I baked bread with it. If you make them good enough they will get up to 450 degrees Fahrenheit. Technically and theoretically speaking, if you made an absolute perfect they would get to be the temperature of the sun and literally catch on fire. Don't worry about that, you will never make it that good. They will get up to 450 (degrees Fahrenheit) easy. The thing that people don't realize you can bake bread even at 225 (degrees Fahrenheit).
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Jack Spirko: I got solar ovens. One that I bought and one that I built. I was amazed at how well they do bake bread. I don't eat a lot myself but it's a good thing to be able to make and it does a really great job. You even really can't burn it. I guess you can over cook it, but you kind of look at it by eye and you know when it is done. All the heat is uniform, so you don't get a hot spot where one stop cooks faster than the other.
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Steven Harris: Right, it might not brown. If you cook the bread at 225 (degrees Fahrenheit) in an okay solar oven, it will get done. You will recognize it as being done. It won't be brown and crusted though, but it'll taste just the same. You just think, “This is white bread. I'm eaten bread that I know is supposed to brown, but it's white.” <Jack laughs> You cut into it and it's perfect. It just takes a few more hours to bake at 200 or 225 (degrees Fahrenheit) than it does take to bake at 325 or 350 (degrees Fahrenheit). Biscuits, breads, and cakes... I like big solar ovens that don't cost me nothing. I can bake 20 loaves in it really quick, because I can feed my neighbors. I always say, “It's easier to feed your neighbors than it is to shoot them.”
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Jack Spirko: I have to tell you, back when somebody first introduced me you I kept thinking to myself, “I know this guy from somewhere. I know this guy from somewhere.” That kept going through my head. It turned out that your little talk on family preparedness, I had listened to years ago. It was one of those things where you're doing six things. Like me you're an entrepreneur. When you listen some audio it is on, but you're doing other things. Actually, I've known about you for years longer than I thought I did.
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Steven Harris: Aww.
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Jack Spirko: I remember that and out of that whole talk, it was the one thing I've often said myself and made part of our philosophy here. Store a lot of cheap stuff that you don't even care about, because it is it is easier to feed your neighbors than to shoot them.
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Steven Harris: Really, the talent is in the people. Your neighbor might be mechanic and he know how to fix things. He could be a carpenter. He or she could be a nurse or a doctor. They could have tools. There are endless amounts talent there.
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Jack Spirko: My thing, Steve, is always been... You have got the bravado bullshit guys that say, “I got mine. If you don’t have your stuff...” I'm like really, you are going to let the little old lady you have gone to church with for the last 20 years at the end of your street starve? You really going to be that guy? The reality is that they are not. It is because they have a fear that they are holding onto, that they use that bravado try to force their fear way.
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Steven Harris: Here is something you'll never forget. I bang this into the head of the police department that I was working with in Michigan. You know what the best thing those little old ladies are good for?
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Jack Spirko: Tell me.
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Steven Harris: For watching your children while you're doing other stuff.
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Jack Spirko: Sure. They are good at it.
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Steven Harris: They've they've done it all their lives. They have raised kids. Just say “Mrs. So-and-so, could you watch my three children for me? I need to know go out and shoot the zombies before they get through the fence line. <Jack laughs> Think about it. How can you do things when you are worrying about your children.
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Jack Spirko: Sure.
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Steven Harris: How can cops go out and work 12 hours on and 12 hours off during the blackout or during a disaster when they are worrying about their family at home. Hell, I told please the police chief during the blackout... If you buy “Sunshine to Dollars” you get a free copy of “Surviving the Blackout of 2003,” which I went through. I was in the police station talking with police chief working in the Emergency Operation Center. I said you don’t understand on day two, let alone day three, you can have all these cops bring their families to the police station because it is the only safe place. You need to have little ladies, that are members of the CERT team, to come in here and keep an eye on the kids because it's only way they will do their job. They won't come in. They will stay home and protect their family.
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Jack Spirko: We may have just uncovered a gaping hole in many people's plans. <Steven laughs> So thankyou for that.
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Steven Harris: Back to solar heating. What else should I mention on solar heating that you wanted to cover? I did solar glass. I did solar hot water. I did why you want to store in water and heat with air. I did solar hot air. Let's see I did the Trombe walls. I did greenhouses, we covered that. I got a fun subject for your people. First I'll say, if you want to Steve Harris preparedness class and over 108,000 people have downloaded and taking my class. 108,000... It is at BeforeTheStormHits.com, just like it sounds BeforeTheStormHits.com. If you can't remember that, please remember Solar1234.com. There are links on Solar1234.com to BeforeTheStormHits.com. It's free. It's my charity. It's where I give back. It does not cost you nothing to download it and to listen to it. You can listen to it all you want. You can give it's all your friends. You can forward a link to your friends. Jack and I encourage it. I'll have our show notes up there and what we talked about over at Solar1234.com. I'll have the special for the books. $70 worth of books for $49 at Solar1234.com, just for TSP people the MSB, the Membership Support Brigade people. If you're not a member of Membership Support Brigade join it. It will save you so much money. Jack has a wonderful program with that.
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Jack Spirko: I appreciate that.
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Steven Harris: You will save 15% off the $49 with the MSB membership. If you want to hear the shows that you missed, all my links to all of Jack's previous shows are not only on Jack's page he made for me but all links are on Solar1234.com. I'll give you a link to a something going tell you about is over on Solar1234.com that will just blow your mind on solar energy. They are called solar balloons. Have you seen these Jack?
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Jack Spirko: I have not. You were telling me about them before the episode. It sounds cool. It sounds like a great way to teach your kids about solar heating.
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Steven Harris: It really is. What is a solar balloon? A solar balloon is made from really thin black plastic. You go to Walmart and find the cheapest black plastic trash bags you can, because they are the thinnest. They are actually 0.3 MIL. Some are even like 0.18 MIL. They are the type that if you sneeze hard enough you will break the plastic. <Jack laughs> Anyways, you take a razor blade and you cut them all into rectangles. You just slip the seams and fold them open. Then you start taping them together with scotch tape or masking tape. You make either a pillow by folding them in half and taping the edges. Or you can make what is called a tetroon, which is two pyramids joined to each other. It's really easy to do. There is a website called Solar–Balloons.com. They will show you how to make a solar balloon. I don't make any money off of this. They put it up there for free. It is just a fun thing to do. You make this great big black trash bag. You can make it 10 or 20 feet in size. You then inflate it gently with your shop vac so it is puffed out. You go out into the sunshine. It is actually great to do it in the winter time, because it is cold outside and the sun hits the black plastic and it heats up inside so it has a better lift.
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Jack Spirko: Because it is about the differential between the two different temperatures of air. Not just how hot the air is inside it, right?
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Steven Harris: Exactly. One of the most fabulous things I want you to do is when this balloon is heating up, before you let it go, stick your head on the inside of it and feel all that beautiful solar heat moving across your face. That is coming from nothing but sunshine. That can be the same free heat going into your house. You do leave the bottom of this solar balloon open. Otherwise it will burst and pop when it goes up in altitude. You let the thing go. It starts moving like an alien spaceship, up so slowly. Like it suspended there. I keeps on going up and up and up. These things will fly to over 50,000 feet.
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Jack Spirko: That is just awesome.
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Steven Harris: They will fly for hundreds of miles. They cost pennies to do. A razor blade, black plastic trash bag, and some masking tape. I use clear packaging tape but masking table work as well. It's a fun thing to do with the kids in the winter time. It really shows them what real solar energy is and the power solar heating and what it does. It is just so neat. You might even make the news. Just don't say your kid is inside of it and floating around and you will be ok. <Jack laughs>
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Jack Spirko: I remember that. That's really cool. I guess it is the one case when you're buying something, buying the cheapest see you can get ends up being the right thing to do.
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Steven Harris: Yeah.
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Jack Spirko: Those garbage bags I would never buy, they are the ones I want for this little experiment. That sounds like a great project to do with kids in school and all types of things. That switches on that young mind because for all the things we talked about, the greatest stuff has yet to come. They are the ones that can do it.
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Steven Harris: Yeah. We have gutted our space program. We are not going to the moon. We are not going to Mars. We have scrapped the space shuttle. We are not even making any new Star Trek’s right now. If you watch the documentary of Star Trek, there are people who say I went into aeronautical engineering, space sciences, or I became a pilot, or went into engineering because Star Trek.
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Jack Spirko: Absolutely.
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Steven Harris: There are people who say that about the space program from the 60’s. There are people that say that about the shuttle program, NASA, with the Mars rovers, and the new one going up Curiosity. This all inspires people beyond many multitudes of what the dollars spent on the actual space program. What comes out of it and inspirational motivation for people to reach out, to achieve, and to learn. Like I have always said, “You want fun field to go into for rest your life. Go into organic chemistry. You'll never be bored.” The organic chemistry will never be done. You can always be inventing things in organic chemistry because the number of chemicals there are in organic chemistry is into the millions and you can make all your own. That is what making alcohol is. It is organic chemistry. I am all for encouraging your kids to go into math, science, and physics. Have them take calculus and engineering. China is graduating more engineers every year than we have in our entire college population in total.
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Jack Spirko: Yeah. I think it is important that we keep looking forward that way and that we keep staying optimistic. This dovetails nicely into yesterdays show, where I talked about avoiding burnout. Part of that is to be optimistic about our future. We have problems, but we also have a lot of solutions we need to implement.
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Steven Harris: Let me tell you. People say, “Steve you are smart. You know how to do this.” The recession came along and knocked me flat on my rear end. People kept on saying, “Steve, you’ll make it out of it. You’ll figure out a way.” I am sitting there going, I haven’t got a clue. <Jack and Steve laugh> I haven’t got a clue how to dig out of this hole. I took an awful lot of work, hard work, thinking, and talking to people like you Jack. Your audience is responsible in many ways in getting me out of the recession. Not only did a lot of your people come and get my different books and DVDs. It wasn’t like a landslide. It was not like I was going, “Yippie! I am rich!” It was just a little bit of extra customer stuff, but it got me energized. It got me out of the burnout phase that you were talking about.
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Jack Spirko: Absolutely.
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Steven Harris: People were asking me questions were I have this show with Jack. I am not going to let these people down. It takes me a week or two of preparation of making notes and putting things together. What are we going to talk about this month? What can I give them so they can do something for nothing? What can I give them in terms of value that they can come and get from me when they want to know the second level and third level stuff because I want to give away the first level stuff for nothing to you. It really energizes your mind. I love teaching. I teach in different places. I do family preparedness class. I teach energy and I teach other different things. So I am teaching your people. That really kind of picked me up and got some more of the neurons firing and everything else. It's been 2 years since recession. Actually 3 years. It get me through.
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Jack Spirko: I think the big part of being picked up and I think the thing that the audience always need to remember is when they feel the same way, it's when you realize what you do matters. That it changes a lot of things. Little things like realizing, “Hey I can cut 25% of my electric bill this winter or my heating oil bill or whatever it is, with some free glasses and a few boxes.” That is a pretty strong message of “What you do matters.”
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Steven Harris: Yeah, it works. That is the thing I say about solar heating, it works. It is just so hard so hard screw it up. The way you can screw it up is by having air leaks. Some silicon or some duct tape takes care of that quick enough. Every city in the country, I'll tell you where to get the free glass. You can just go ask and they will say, “Yeah sure. Take all you want.”
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Jack Spirko: It is true folks. It is in the book. I have a copy and it works. It definitely works. Again you got those 3 books for a special price, for $50 bucks or $49... whatever.
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Steven Harris: And the MSB discount still applies.
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Jack Spirko: The MSB people still get the additional 15% off. We will have links in the show notes for people to be able to get that. Of course, you always have everything at Solar1234.com.
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Steven Harris: Don’t forget to write in to Jack with the questions that you have on solar heating because if I'm back next month, and I hope I am, we will do a show all about the questions and answers that you asked. Look for an even better solar heating show to come up in the middle winter, because we're going to do it all based on your questions. I'm going to generate all the answers and all the solutions and tell you exactly what the answer is to all the really great questions that I know you guys are going to ask us.
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Jack Spirko: We always have the best shows when we do the show based on what the users are asking. We will definitely do that. It is probably going to be February before we get you back on right now. I will hand you off to Dorothy for booking on that. We have really slammed ourselves in December and January. I was running thin on guests and said, “If you want to be on the show let me know” and everybody did. <Jack laughs>
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Steven Harris: Fabulous. I needed a break.
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Jack Spirko: It will be dead cold here so it would be a great time to do that. As always I love having you on. If anything new or exciting comes up, we might even have you on for a quick segment or something like that if you stumble on to something.
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Steven Harris: I love it. I'll come back any time for your audience. They are the best. They respond. Write me questions. Write Jack questions. Come on by and check stuff out. Get our free stuff. Stay energized. Stay excited. I was right we're so you guys are and like what Jack said, don't get burned out. Get motivated. Get moving and just one footing from the other. It gets better. That's how I became an expert in solar energy. I just never stop, one foot in front of the other. I never stopped reading books. I never stopped experimenting and away we go.
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Jack Spirko: Steve, again thanks for being on the show. You are one of the people that when you say you are an expert in something, I actually believe you because you prove that time and time again. I appreciate all the teaching and information you brought to the audience 5 times now. There will definitely be a sixth appearance by you this winter. We will answer these questions folks. If you want to ask a question, the best way to do that to make sure that I get it into the queue for the next show. Go to TheSurvivalPodcast.com episode 798, which is today's episode. Post your questions the comment section. I'll be collecting them from there. I'll get them into a document and over to Steve for some pre show prep before we have him back on. He will be happy to answer those questions. With that, today this has be Jack Spirko along with Steven Harris. Help you figure out how to live that better life, if times get tough or even if they don’t.
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