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Jack Spirko: I understand it. I try not to either. There is the whole saturation limit and everything else...
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Steven Harris: I will mention one more thing on carbon. You mentioned coal. We are not going to be burning coal much longer. We are looking at decades in the future, where we will be into hydrogen fusion energy and more advanced stuff. Literally the world will be running on antimatter energy. Antimatter is not just Star Trek. Antimatter energy is real. The first antimatter is antihydrogen. The second anti matter is antihelium and we go right down the periodic table. That is all going to happen. You can't stop it. It will happen without any.... It is just like when we went from CRT monitors to flat panel displays. Was there people walking around saying, "CRT have lead. Bane CRT monitors. We got to have flat panel displays."? No, it was a natural evolution of man and invention. It was, "Oh here is a better product, a flat monitor."
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Jack Spirko: It works better. It is lighter. When you get the scale of economy up it cost less
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Steven Harris: Yep
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Jack Spirko: It performs better. It has less waste. It is easier to recycle. You don't have to force that because if it is true people will buy it. I have a flat screen computer monitor. I imagine you do. I imagine you don't have one of those big tub things.
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Steven Harris: I used to, until last week. Anyways... <Jack laughs> My point is we are going to go through all this energy invention. There is another whole field of invention, that is what you mention before, coal. We are going to take coal, which is carbon and we are going to turn it into carbon fibers. We are going to take natural gas, oil, coal, garbage, trees, and dead bunnies ran over on the road and turn them into carbon fiber. Our children and grandchildren will live in a world made out of carbon fiber, the same way you and I live in a world made out of steel and concrete today. That is one of the miracles of coal. It is an infinite resource for us. It is going to get turned into building, skyscrapers, and electrical wire. Carbon fiber can conduct electricity and it can not conduct electricity. It can be the insulation and it can be the conductor. Our car bodies will be made of carbon fiber. Our chairs, television screens bodies, and furniture and it will look like wood. It is a miracle what you can do will... That is enough about coal. That is a look forward in the future and what I promised you. What I really go to get back to and tell you about is something that doesn't work in the world of hydrogen. There are so many scam artist out there. They have drunk their own Kool-Aid and they believe this. That is the under hood hydrogen electrolyzer. You put this bottle underneath your hood, Jack, and you pour water into it. You hook it up to your intake sensor. It make hydrogen gas. It goes into your car and it gives you better fuel economy. It is complete bullshi..... bull crap. It is complete bull crap.
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Jack Spirko: You can say bull shit on my show.
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Steven Harris: I know, I am sorry. I am still try not too. But it is complete bull shit... They can't explain it, so lets put this name on it. Instead of it being H2 for hydrogen or H2O for water. Lets reform the words and call it HHO or HOH or OOH. Now that we have put this name on it... Now that we have called it magic beans, Jack it is magic beans, they now take on mystical powers. They cure cancer, they solve the energy crisis, and they make you run farther, and jump quicker. When you put a name on something it now takes on mystical properties.
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Jack Spirko: Then we have what I call HHO placebo effect. You buy your HHO kit and instructions. It says do all this stuff and if you also techniques with driving then you will get even better miles. The guy does it and he starts taking slower acceleration and braking and doing more a little bit coasting. There are people called hypermilers.
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Steven Harris: Yeah.
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Jack Spirko: They do this with no modification and get 80 miles to the gallon because they are in my damn way and won't get out of the way doing 40 miles per hour on the highway. They do this and they say, "Look mile efficiency went up because of the HHO." No, it went up because you stopped putting your foot down like a brick.
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Steven Harris: In fact I have documented really clearly in a newsletter I wrote. It was called, "Dirty Energy News" and it was issue number three. I will put a link on it at
www.Solar1234.com. It will be a link to DirtyEnergyNews.com and it is letter number three. I talk about this in detail of why it doesn't work and why they see results. The short story is you take this box and these stainless steel electrical plates or stainless steel electrodes. People buy wall outlets plates and make them out of them. They hook up their battery, they get all these bubbles, and think "Oh I am making stuff." What they have made is very affordable inefficient electrolyzer, horribly horribly horribly inefficient. What happens to all the inefficiency? It gets turned into?... Anyone?... It gets turned into heat. They heat the water up. What happens when you get water above 212 degrees Fahrenheit?
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Jack Spirko: It boils.
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Steven Harris: It boils. One, you're under the hood compartment of your engine is generally at least at a temperature of what is coming off the radiator, which is over 200 degrees (Fahrenheit). That is enough to heat it up. You engine is well over 300 degrees (Fahrenheit) just from the running operation temperatures. You are also talking about exhaust heat that might be near the manifolds. You are talking about a lot of heat to boil the water. Plus all this electricity your are dumping into there that you think is giving you something, it is not. It is making heat, so you are making steam. You see these videos on YouTube where there is this gas coming out of. They say "This is HHO, man. Now I am going to power the planet. I am going to run my car for nothing." It is steam you idiot. Put a mirror in front of it and watch it condense, it is steam. Hydrogen does not condense. Oxygen does not condense. HHO, which doesn't exist, doesn't condense because it doesn't exist. It is steam. You have just made a steam injector. You piston is coming down on the intake cycle and it is sucking in fuel and sucking in air. Now it is sucking in whole slug of steam. Remember it has to run on a fuel to air ratio and this little thing called a O2 sensor that is going "Oh I have too much oxygen. Or no I don't have enough oxygen." What it does is it adjusts the fuel. When you though in too much steam and you have fuel and air, what was suppose to be the right ratio and you try to ignite it. You end up with a surplus of fuel being in the system because it has been unburnt because all the steam got in the way. The car goes "Oh, I am running rich. I am running rich." What does the car does?
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Jack Spirko: Leans the fuel out.
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Steven Harris: It leans the fuel out. It decreases your fuel for you. You got a cylinder that is sized... Let's say your cylinder is 1 liter. For some reason you have a 8 liter engine, so you cylinder is 1 liter. You are sucking in a liter full of air and fuel is being sprayed into it. Now you are sucking in a half liter of steam. What did you do? You just reduced the size of your cylinder. You took your Dodge Viper engine and you made it the size of a Geo Metro.
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Jack Spirko: Basically, what you have done... When you bought your car you wanted horsepower.
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Steven Harris: Yep
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Jack Spirko: You bought the 190 horsepower V6. You put this thing on it and you turned it 120 horsepower 4 cylinder that you didn't want. Now you see you get better fuel efficiency, which you could have done by buying a 4 cylinder.
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Steven Harris: Remember the last show, I told you about your fuel economy is all in your foot.
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Jack Spirko: Correct.
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Steven Harris: It is in how fast you accelerate and how fast you drive. If you put a block underneath your accelerator... <Jack laughs> I am serious. You put a piece of block wood so you can only drive 65 miles an hour down the highway on a flat road. If you do that you will see your fuel economy go up because you can no longer go from 0 to 60 in six seconds. You gotta go 0 to 60 in 16 seconds.
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Jack Spirko: Safety disclaimer, don't actually do it because you might need to get out of away of the coal truck barreling down on you. This is for informational purposes only. <laughs>
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Steven Harris: I have had people do it. There was this one idiot at Chrysler. They say hydrogen is pollution free. I say hydrogen is the most polluting fuel in the world because it causes mind pollution. It really just gets in your mind and corrupts it.
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Jack Spirko: Is there any way people and utilize hydrogen at home? Is it worth the self production?
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Steven Harris: Yeah in a certain extent it is. Go back to my previous show and listen to the GEK Gasifier from Jim Mason at ALLPowerLabs.com. I'll have a link at Solar1234.com. He is the only man and company in the world, and he does it non-profit, that has a production gasifier that is worth darn. They have classes three times a year. They put their gasifier on a generator they sell as pallet, no one else in the world does. They set it up there and put a 24 hour video camera on it for 72 hours. They let it run continuously while someone feeds the thing fuel all night, it runs and runs and runs and runs. If you have an abundance of wood, vegetable material, bushes, or mostly woody products available to you. It would be economical for you to get a gasifier and turn this into a gas and either use that to make electricity to then power your house, especially if you were off grid. Three shows ago I did something on all the economics of solar and solar compared to wind, solar compared gasifiers and gasifiers beat the hell out of it. You can also then have your generator power your electric compressor. The compressor can then compress this gas and put it into 3,000 or 5,000 PSI tanks that can go on to your car. You can then drive on it. Jack, I don't do this.
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Jack Spirko: <laughs> If you don't do it then I am probably not going to do it either
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Steven Harris: I am an expert in the field. I can do it. I don't have the time to do it because my time is better spent on things that have more of an immediate application, like alcohol to people. You are not doing it because your time is best dictated to what we are doing. There are other people out there who have an abundance of time and an abundance of wood. This would give them an advantage. The power pallet in itself is $17,000 all assembled and shipped to you and with a generator. You put the wood in it and turn it on and literally it runs. You got to be able to amortize off that cost of that $17,000. It sound expensive, but compared to solar photovoltaic it is six times cheaper. Yeah, there is for certain people at a certain place at a certain time who want to do this, you can do this. It can run your car. It can run your house. Again, you got to have that wood material available to you. Let me pull out my notes. Wood is cellulose. Cellulose is C6 H10 O5 it has 6 carbons joined with 10 hydrogen and 5 oxygen in it. Mother nature took the carbon dioxide from the air, water from the ground. It took C and O from the air, it took H2 and O from the water, and make C6 H10 O5 cellulose. That is not really tightly bound. How do you know this? Because with a match you can light it. When it burns you are actually braking down that bond. You are releasing the energy. The carbon is turning into carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide. The hydrogen is turning into water. It is not like water. You can't take water and light it with a match and it will burn. That is a tightly bound molecule. Cellulose is a weakly bound molecule. It is easy for us to use easy chemistry to get these gasses out of our cellulose and to re-utilize it however we so desire. Again, I talk about that in previous shows. You can email me with any questions. Like I was saying, mother nature has done all the hard work for you. That is really stored sunshine. Burning wood is really the burning of stored sunshine. One of the interesting little about a flame, if you have a candle burning, Jack. You can actually take a glass tube, but it into the middle part of the flame and it will pull the hydrogen out. The Hydrogen will come out of the glass tube. You could theoretically collect it. It is a mouse fart, but you could theoretically collect it. <Jack laughs> You can probably find videos of this. You can ignite the hydrogen coming out of the glass tube and have this little blue flame burning out of the glass tube next to the yellow flame of the candle burning. It is just a tremendous world of chemistry. I have talked about this before. If you really want to a fun field to go into when you are young and going to college then go into chemistry, especially organic chemistry. It will open up an incredible world for you. What is our time? We have fuel cells to talk about, Jack.
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Jack Spirko: We have been working through this monster list. Like in the matrix where plug the thing into your head. <Steven laughs> Then they just download information. These three episodes had just brought all of this stuff together. The last thing on your list is fuel cells. Is that the stuff we are going to plug into the Delorean and travel through time? Where are we at with fuel cell technology?
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Steven Harris: Lets all join hands and sing "We are the world. We are the children." Fuel cells... We were supposed to have them in our house by 2010 and it is already 2012. I remember fuel cells in 1996 and 1997 they said, "We are going to have them in our house by the year 2000 and 2001." <laughs> What they do is they, in the simplest terms, take hydrogen in on one side, oxygen or air on the other side, and they produce electricity. People think they are these magical little black boxes. You shove hydrogen in and you shove oxygen in, you plug up with your house, and you get pure electricity. Fuel cells are like batteries. They make DC voltage. What do you have to do with DC voltage. You have to convert it to AC voltage for your house. Let alone, you have to convert it sinusoidal AC instead of square wave AC if you want to do it really right. You have to have a true sine wave converter. Fuel cells are not 100% efficient. Infact, really good fuel cells are about 40% efficiency. Jack, if you have a 40% efficient fuel cell, what id that other 60% getting turned into?
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Jack Spirko: I have no idea, but it is waste as far as I am concerned.
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Steven Harris: Heat.
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Jack Spirko: Oh, ok.
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Steven Harris: If you got electricity and you are spinning a motor and the motor is 85% efficient, the other 15% is being turned into heat. Everything in the world gets turned into heat. You take a ball and throw it across the room, it hits the floor, and bounces against the wall. That transfer of energy gets turned into heat when it hits something. It eventually stops bouncing because it turned all of its kinetic energy into thermal energy and now it is not moving any more. You drop a rock into a bucket full of water. It raises the temperature of water because the rock hit the water and the fallen energy turned into heat. All you waste energy turned into heat. In an internal combustion engine you have half the waste energy going out the tailpipe in the form of exhaust. The other half goes into cooling system, which goes into your radiator. Fuel cells don't have an exhaust system to get rid of half of their energy. All of their energy goes into heat. It goes into very low quality heat. Like, you can't get a PEM (Polymer Electrolyte Membrane) fuel cell above 180 degree Fahrenheit. You have all this waste 180 degree (Fahrenheit) temperature that you have to get rid of. That is why if you had a Geo Metro with a fuel cell in it, you would need a radiator that went into a Dodge Ram in the front of the darn thing to get rid of all the heat because it is really low grade heat that you have to get rid of. Fuel cells are not all that magical type of thing that you would think of that it would be for homes and business. There is this company called "Bloom Box" and the guy is a little wacko, but he has made a great fuel cell. He has suckered a lot of people into buying it, like Walmart and other places. What it does is that it converts natural gas. It is called a "solid oxide fuel cell." It runs a near a 1,000 degrees (Fahrenheit). What it does is it brings in air and it bring in natural gas. it cracks the natural gas into carbon monoxide and hydrogen. Then it oxidizes the carbon monoxide and hydrogen across the membrane which gives you free electrons to make electricity. He is selling these that have a lower efficiency than if you did it with a Cat Engine. It would be more efficient to use a Caterpillar Engine to run your generator to run your Walmart off of, then it would be to use the Bloom Box fuel cell. He is selling these things for 20 times the price of a Caterpillar Engine Generator. The thing is that they are supposed to be these quiet little boxes sit there, even though they have 5 million fans on them. You can run a internal combustion engine sewing machine quite if you wanted to. It is big play on different things. What fuel cells are really good at is small things, such as a thing called direct methanol fuel cell. You can look up DMFC on Wikipedia and read all about direct methanol fuel cells. It uses methanol on one side of the fuel cell and air on the other and produces a DV voltage. What is a DC voltage perfect for? It is perfect for using your laptop. It is perfect for running a flashlight. It is perfect for running a radio. It is perfect for re-charging AA batteries. It is perfect for a lot of different different things. All you literally have to do is pour methanol in on one side. Keep in mind, don't get methanol on your skin and don't drink it. It is toxic. All you need is air on the other side. It will be a quiet little box at that time because it's waste heat can be released through itself. When you get a huge amount of waste heat you need fans and radiators. When you have a small amount of waste heat, something the size of a baseball, it can get rid of that little bit of waste heat just by it becoming warm and giving up its temperature to the surrounding environment. Fuel cells have been long associated with hydrogen and only hydrogen, which is not true. They can run a variety of fuel. To give you an idea right now, in May of 2012, a 300 watt fuel cell... Keep in mind, you buy a 300 watt inverter that plugs into your car's batteries. Jack, you can buy one for $30 at Walmart, right?
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Jack Spirko: Yeah, they are pretty cheap. I have got, I think, a 750 watt one that I paid $49 for.
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Steven Harris: Here is a price comparison. A 300 watt fuel cell, guess how much it costs right now?
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Jack Spirko: Umm.... I don't know, thousands of dollars?
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Steven Harris: $2,700 dollars.
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Jack Spirko: Holy crap.
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Steven Harris: If you wanted to take a 5 horsepower Honda engine and put three alternators on it. Not to make 300 watts but to make 10 times that amount, 3 kilowatts of electricity. It would cost you less than $500. Probably less than $300 to do this.
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Jack Spirko: I am think that I am more able to afford to pay a 14 year old to pedal a bicycle and generate power than pay freakin $2,700 for 300 watts.
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Steven Harris: Right. They say, "But a fuel cell is more efficient." No, a internal combustion engine properly tuned to run on hydrogen can run at a higher brake thermal efficiency then a fuel cell. In fact a typical proton exchange membrane or a PEM fuel cell right now is about 40% to 45% efficient on a really good day. Guess what is made by the 10's of thousands every day that has a higher thermal efficiency than that fuel cell does?
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Jack Spirko: Regular engines?
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Steven Harris: Nope. Direct injection diesel engines.
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Jack Spirko: Sure. Absolutely
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Steven Harris: VW, Mercedes Benz,...
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Jack Spirko: Like my TDI. That is far more efficient.
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Steven Harris: That is right, you have a TDI.
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Jack Spirko: Yeah.
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Steven Harris: Yeah, that is one of the most efficient engines ever made on the face of the planet, is that Volkswagen TDI.
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Jack Spirko: It is an amazingly small engine for what it does too. The torque is incredible. It is about as big as two of my tea kettles put together. I have a 100,000 or so miles on it and it is just getting started.
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Steven Harris: It is just getting broken in. I drive a diesel truck, a 2001 Dodge Ram, it has 279,000 miles on it. The engine has never been touched. I just put Mobile One in it all the time and change it every 10,000 miles. It keeps on running and running and running. I change the fuel filter as often as I can because remember with diesels the thing that is more complex in the engine itself is the fuel injector. You want to treat your fuel injector really good. You make sure you change your fuel filters because the fuel injector is really the heat of a diesel engine. I cover that in another show. Go back and listen to all my shows. They are at Solare1234.com. I will link into everything at Jacks site and show number 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5. You can look at them up to number 8 now. You can hear us talk about diesels. Yeah Jack, amazing. They think they are going to hold hands singing "We are the world" and fuel cells are going to change the world. Here diesel fuel and VW engines have a higher efficiency than the fuel cells that people are making. Don't hold you breath on fuel cells. You will see them coming out to power small electronics, Be wary of the one that say they are going to power your house. Le someone else be the sucker and buy the thing first and see how it goes.
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Jack Spirko: Trust me, if someone ever builds one you will know about it and it will work. We will talk about it. Then we can buy one. Until then we will stick to what we know works.
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Steven Harris: Bloom has tried to do it. He had a big 60 minutes interview in 2009. He said by 2011 we are going to have these for homes. Hey, it is 2012. Where are you?
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Jack Spirko: Where is mine? I ain't got one yet. We have pretty much clabbered hydrogen and fuel cells today. I just wanted to really quickly give you the opportunity let people know what is the status. One of the things we can make at how fairly easily is ethanol. we have talked about it before, so we don't need to go into the process or anything. You were working on some things. There was an enzym you were working on getting availability for. Is it available yet? What does it do? If not yet, then when?
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Steven Harris: As of early May 2012, it is not available yet. It is still sitting on my lab bench. I have not had a chance yet to run it. For everyone that doesn't know what it does, you can convert donuts and bread into sugar. The sugar then gets fermented by the yeast into alcohol. All alcohol is made from sugar. It is just a question of what you make sugar from. In this case it is going to be donuts. You used to have to cook it up to 190 (degrees fahrenheit), add an enzyme, cool down to 140 (degrees fahrenheit), add enzyme number two, cool it down to 85 (degrees fahrenheit), then add the yeast, and let it ferment. I have an enzyme that allows you to add the enzyme and the yeast both at 85 degrees fahrenheit. It will convert the bucket full of donuts and water into sugar which is instantaneously fermented. It is called "simultaneous saccharification and fermentation," or SSF. It will ferment it into a bucket full of alcohol ready to go into your still and be distilled. I have not had a chance to finish this because I have been overwhelmed with sales of the alcohol distiller. I have an automated table top distiller. I looks like a coffee pot. You plug it into a wall and a timer. You pour in your wash with alcohol in it, you set a timer, and come back to a jar full of alcohol. You then distill three more times, then you take the water out with Zeolite, and you pour it into your gas tank. This and the complete video where I show you how to do this for nothing, is at IMakeMyGas.com. For people who can't remember
www.IMakeMyGas.com, there will be a link to it at
www.Solar1234.com. I don't think you will forget Solar1234.com. I have previous show entirely on alcohol. I think it was show number 5. That is at Solar1234.com. You can go back and listen to it. It is about two weeks right now. If you come and order an alcohol distiller right now, the 2nd week of May 2012. It is taking me about two weeks to get them out to you. I got all the stills in stock, Jack. What happen is my supplier ran out of hydrometers.
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Jack Spirko: Ha..
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Steven Harris: I had to get more hydrometers rushed in. Then the fermentation buckets came in and they were squished. I had to say,"Hey, send more buckets. These ones are are oblong and they won't work. <Jack laughs> You have pallets of stuff coming in.
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Jack Spirko: Oblong buckets...
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Steven Harris: Yeah, they are oblong. I have not had a problem getting the stills in. It has just been the little stuff. You order the starter kit. I sell everything to you that you want. I can sell you the book, "Alcohol Can Be a Gas." It has everything you need to know to do it for yourself, it is $47. There is a DVD that comes along with it if you want. If you want the distiller, I will sell distiller. If you want everything in a kit with a starter kit with yeast, instruction, the video how to do fermentation, and the Zeolite for removing the water I am going to provide you the entire kit if you so desire. You can come and buy the book and do it all yourself. You can come and buy the kit. However you want. It is allicart. That is what I started doing Jack. Instead of just buying books and DVDs, I started to providing a solution. People said, "Steve, we want the solution. We don't want to figure out how to build it ourselves. We want you to provide a solution." I had to go out find something. I found this moonshine still. I it is made for making moonshine, literally drinking alcohol that is illegal in The United States. It is legal in New Zealand, people still do it. So I look at this little thing. It is small, good, and runs 1 gallon at a time and that is not good. It doesn't use any cooling water because it uses a fan, that is good. If I put a timer on this thing, I can fill it full and walk away from this thing and come back. I would fill the thing up before went to work and when I came back I would have half a gallon of alcohol. I would fill it up when I came back from work and let it run for 2 hours, then I would have more alcohol. I would fill it up again before I went to bed at night, set the timer, and I would have another half gallon of alcohol. This is cool. They thing that you think would be the worst thing in the world just became the best thing in the world because I have added a timer to it.
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Jack Spirko: I would like to speak up on that for you, because I get a lot of people that say it only makes this much and is it really work? I have got one you sent to me and it works great. You came make a couple gallons of fuel a week with it. If you get your starch for free... And that is what I am exited about this enzyme when you finally get it available. My question is what else can you stick in your house that makes 2 gallons of fuel a week for you? And the answer is not much. Especially when it is dump, stir, ferment, dump, push button, come back, dump, and push button untill you get the level you want. The other thing that I love about what you have done is the first time you came on after you found this thing, you had the still and the hydrometer. Then you came back and you added the Zeolite to get the last of the water you. They you came back and found this enzyme. You continue to evolve this kit into what I consider a total solution. Which is what most companies never freakin do. They give you half a solution.
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Steven Harris: It have been because of your people. You people and my people they come back to me and go, "Steve what about this?" Well you are right, I should have provided that. I listen to you guys. I am not just sitting here talking into this microphone just to hear it reverberate in my ears. My god, you guys you are a treasure. You are so excited. You love this stuff. You are passionate about it. I call it the church of Jack. You come here to learn. Then you write me these emails to say, "What about this." Well, ok I will have to explain this and that. Hey there is a good idea. I could do this. People write me with suggestions saying, "What about this. That doesn't work, but I kicks me on to something else that does work." It is all because you guys. This stuff has evolved because of you. All of you listening. I have a great big heart filled thanks. I come on to this show because you guy are so great. If I didn't get the emails and the panel questions, the 800 number stuff that you call in. "Hey Jack and Steve, I have a question on batteries." If I didn't get that stuff I wouldn't be doing this.
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Jack Spirko: Yeah
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Steven Harris: You guys get as much out of us and you put into the show.
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Jack Spirko: I wan to say another thing for steve, because I know he won't say it for himself. We were talking off air before we got started. I sent him a panel question recently. He put about a half day of effort into it with coming up with a solid answer for one person asking one question. That is why I am glad to have you as a member of this community, Steve. I want to through a plug in for you here at the end of as well. When you are an MSB member, if you go into your benefit section and you will see USH2 in the list of supporting venders. You will see that Steve gives a 15% off on all purchases of books and DVDs to all MSB members. That is only something that I had to ask him to do one time on his first interview and he said, "Of course." And Steve?
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Steven Harris: And right now for a limited time the MSB discount applies to the alcohol distiller. You can literally come to me and get the $400 package that includes the distiller, the yeast, the 8 gallons fermenting bucket, the hydrometer, the thermometer, the hydrometer flask, the Zeolite, the alcohol can be a gas book and DVD, plus my private videos that show you how to put this all together and you can get 15% off. Which means you are getting over $60 off with your MSB discount right from the big package or the small package. If you want to buy the DVD for $25 you then get 15% off of that.
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Jack Spirko: Which of course would pay for your MSB plus $10. Let me throw my own little plug in right now, because I didn't say it in the intro of the show. I am in Montana right now, even though Steve and I are here talking to you. We are talking to you from the past, time travel <steven laughs> from Arkansas and Illinois. Right now because I am away, whenever I go away I leave a sale. Right now with the code "BIG SKY" you get $15 off the MSB. You could quite literally profit extensively by getting an MSB then getting the discount just on Steve's kit.
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Steven Harris: Wow, it is only $35 for a membership.
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Jack Spirko: $35 for your first year with the code "BIG SKY" and that is until I get back on the 13th. That is wide open to anybody. Basicly I did it because I had to board two dogs and 2 cars while I was gone for 12 days. That is freaking expensive. That is almost as expensive as a hydrogen freaking fuel cell. <Steve laughs> I am running that sale to cover the kennel fees on the dogs and the cats while I am hanging out with Paul Wheaton and Sepp Holzer and a bunch of really cool people.
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Steven Harris: I bet you there are some listeners who would have come over and house sat your cats for nothing for you while you were gone.
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Jack Spirko: Yeah, I don't know man. There is an Opsec component to what we do. Steve again, thank you for being here today. I will make sure I have links to all your sites and all you stuff. The fact that you continue to innovate and give to the community is really important to me and I appreciate you for it.
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Steven Harris: You guys are the best. I love it. I can't wait to come for my 9th show. I am doing at least two panel questions right now, which will hear in the future. They are really awesome ones. I look forward to hearing from on the panel and hopefully a future show. Jack you are wonderful and the audience is wonderful. Love you guys all. Thanks so much.
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Jack Spirko: Alright folks with that this has been Jack Spirko today along with Steven Harris, helping you to figure out how to live that better life, if times get tough or even if they don't.
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