Jack Spirko: What do you think about this tool over in Denmark or whatever – a Dane or a Dutch guy one of the other I don’t remember, I know those guys will fight if I call one the other, I just don’t remember – that figured out, “Gee, I can take Bird Flu and make it transmit from humans by using ferrets” and then publishing basically the formula? Do we really need that kind of knowledge being put out there?
Nurse Amy: I cannot imagine what his motive is. To formulate and to put together a virus that can kill billions of people makes absolutely no sense. What purpose would you have to actually produce – and not only create it, but then to put out how he did it? That’s what freaks me out.
Dr. Bones: This is pure and simple a biological weapon. And biological weapons are- we have 163 countries that have signed a pact not to produce or research into biological weapons. There are a number of violations, of course, that have occurred since that pact was signed in I think 1975.
Jack Spirko: Yeah, if you want to trust your government when they make a pact, ask an indian about a treaty.
Dr. Bones: Yeah, exactly. You’re darn tootin’. So these things are out there, and what I would say to someone who’s trying to keep their survival community healthy: At the first sign that, in your area, that there are signs of that kind of infectious disease going on immediately go into seclusion mode. And you know those people in China and Asia that are walking around wearing masks, they don’t have it necessarily wrong.
Jack Spirko: Yeah. I did see a major failure there. Remember the Swine Flu? Every elected official was telling us to wash our hands and sneeze in our sleeves and all that I was like, “This is crap, this is the normal flu.” But they had people in Mexico that were freaking out. They put this one little kid on the news, and I just felt so bad for this kid. He’s sitting in a public square, he’s got his blue surgical mask on. He’s got a Coke cola. He lifts the mask, drinks the Coke, and puts the mask back down. You go, “You’re doing it wrong.” But that’s my other side of this. Everybody when they hear pandemic think of the movie and made for TV and there’s this thing that’s like 75% infection rate to 50% death rate and even the people that don’t die are heavily incapacitated. But I don’t think people get just from a body count what something like a 50% infection rate and 5% lethality rate would do globally.
Dr. Bones: Oh, absolutely. Think about the interruption of services.
Nurse Amy: Truckers.
Dr. Bones: Think about what would happen in a lot of situations. There would be so many people that are sick or that might not report to essential positions because they’re concerned about becoming sick.
Nurse Amy: That’s right.
Dr. Bones: Many, many services you would consider as basic as garbage collection just are not going to occur. And because of that, more infectious diseases are going to – it is one big-
Nurse Amy: It’s a domino effect.
Jack Spirko: Because what made me start thinking this way, I already did but what really drove it home for me was the Swine Flu non-pandemic, right? So this happens and it’s on TV and they do things like they cancelled Mayfair in Fort Worth, which cost local vendors tens of millions of dollars while they were running a concert across town with twenty times more people showing up in much more close proximity, indoors instead of outdoors. So none of it made any sense. It seemed like complete BS to me in the first place. I was like, “Everybody calm down,” yet people freaked out. The first thing that happened, if you went to any kind of a medical supply store and looked for surgical masks or any kind of particulate mask, they were gone. The next day, if you went to Home Depot or Lowe’s looking for dust masks cause you were a contractor and you needed them for your job, they were gone there. And this was
nothing, this was an absolute overall nothing on the global threat matrix. It was no more severe, in fact the infection and death rates were lower than the normal strain of the flu for that year by the time it was all over it. And that’s how people reacted. So when people actually do start dropping over, when it is serious, when people are losing their wife or their child, what kind of result do you expect to see out of that?
Dr. Bones: Well I can’t tell you how bad it would be, that circumstance. I haven’t gone through that type of experience myself, thank goodness nobody has.
Nurse Amy: I mean, I foresee a complete shutdown. Who’s going to go to work?
Dr. Bones: Just expect shutdown of services. Just expect that from our standpoint as medical folks, just expect that you’re going to be likely on your own with regards to medical care because medical help is not going to be on the way. And even in the hospitals, they’re going to be so overwhelmed. Even without mass casualties it will be like a mass casualty incident because you’re going to have more people that need attention or that go for attention than the medical resources can handle.
Nurse Amy: Tamiflu will sell out in ten minutes.
Jack Spirko: My other suggestion is if this ever starts to happen and looks like it’s legitimate, not being overblown, not only should you quarantine yourselves and quarantine anybody coming into your house, like if somebody you’re taking in, quarantine them until you get over the symptom time frame; quarantine your fricken money. Because if this happens, if you think it was an economic recession that we went through over a housing bubble, shut down essential services for three to four weeks in this country and see what that does to the economy.
Dr. Bones: Oh boy. This is not Japan where people are stoically waiting in long lines to get water and things like that.
Nurse Amy: With their hands folded and quiet.
Dr. Bones: I’ll tell you this. It’s amazing how stoic they were and how well-behaved they were during the Fukushima disaster over there. But that’s not going to happen here. Here you’re going to have widespread civil unrest. You’re going to have widespread civil unrest if gas goes up to seven bucks a gallon.
Nurse Amy: They’ll be looting. First of all the pharmaceuticals will be emptied out. All of the pharmacies will just – there’ll be nothing left.
Dr. Bones: But the bottom line, I know we’re talking a lot of doom and gloom here, we’re Doom and Bloom not doom and gloom. But the important thing for people to know is everything we’re talking about are just more and more reasons to be prepared. A lot of guys and a lot of preparedness families have their beans and their bullets together. It’s just time to get those bandages up to the level of your beans and bullets.
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Jack Spirko: I think the whole thing is interrelated. If we look at any disaster area where they ask for help, what do they ask for? Food, water, comfort items, and medical supplies. That’s always the short list, that’s always what’s in need, that’s always what’s desired. And then the other thing they need is people that can come in and logistically do those things. So people with medical training, people with logistical training, people with security training. And they all go hand in hand. And I think we just showed how a pandemic can cause an economic recession or collapse, but an economic collapse can cause a pandemic. Not necessarily the H1N1 strain of the flu but like you said, if people aren’t picking up garbage and sewer systems aren’t working this relatively healthy way we live – people die every day in parts of Mexico from diarrhea, right? Not in disaster areas. It’s just like, “What did he die of? “Oh he died of diarrhea.” “Oh it got him too.” That’s the reality in some parts of the world. And we’ve been largely isolated from that in modern history because we have a very well-networked group of systems that take care of waste disposal and nutritional requirements and climate control.
Nurse Amy: And water purification.
Jack Spirko: Correct. I would prefer not to have fluoride in my water but I would rather have fluorinated water than no water at all or water full of cryptosporidium and giardia.
Dr. Bones: Exactly, you’re exactly right. We’re going to have to be prepared to deal with all sorts of threats if things like this happen. And it only makes sense to have the appropriate supplies. Not only the only the appropriate supplies, but enough supplies to handle more than the amount of people that you’re actually expecting to show up at your door or that are supposed to show up at your door in times of trouble because you’re going to wind up dealing with more people than you think. If you have five bottles of antibiotics in your storage, that’s maybe okay for a while for a couple or a couple and small child. But you’re going to have more people than that that are going to be looking to you for help. Are you going to turn away your eight year old niece or your mom?
Jack Spirko: Or the old lady down the road that walked your kid to school the day before this all started?
Nurse Amy: Right, right, exactly. The old lady down the street who just became a widow. We’re going to turn her away? No.
Dr. Bones: The bottom line is you can never ever, ever, ever have too many medical supplies. If you ever are crazy enough to feel that any of them are extra, they will be powerful barter items.
Jack Spirko: Oh absolutely. I think anything that has long-term storability and universal understanding is a barter item. So I can barter a knife, I can barter a bottle of antibiotics, I can barter a silver coin. About the only thing I can’t barter in a true collapse is cash. That’s the one thing that actually becomes worthless is cash.
Nurse Amy: Well it’s great toilet paper. Which we’ll all be desperate for if we don’t get enough.
Jack Spirko: Well that was another thing that Dorothy said we really need to stock more of. And I have a side note advice here for anybody with your spouse: Whenever your spouse says anything’s a good idea, just say, “Yeah okay, go do it.” Whatever level they want to participate on, get them participating. And talk about barter power, if there’s no toilet paper in the neighborhood, what’s a roll worth to you?
Nurse Amy: Oh, absolutely.
Dr. Bones: You’re a wise man, Jack.
Nurse Amy: A bottle of whiskey!
Jack Spirko: I think your book is awesome guys. I’d like to finish up with a little bit on the alternative health side of things. You talked about this already but I’d like you to say a little bit more about why it’s important to marry that to, say, conventional medicine. I’ve always believe that it’s my first choice rather than my last resort. So if I’m having chronic headaches I’m more likely to try turmeric than harsh medications. But on the other side of things, if there’s a yield sign in my spleen, please take me to the emergency room now.
Dr. Bones: <laughs> You’re absolutely right. I think that for early issues or milder issues I think you should start with the alternative medications because they have extraordinary medicinal benefits, they rarely have side effects, they are things that you can actually possibly produce more of. If you have something that can be taken care of by chamomile tea, you can grow more chamomile if that’s what it takes.
Jack Spirko: And I’m drinking it now while talking to you, and it tastes good.
Nurse Amy: That’s right. And it’s good for you.
Dr. Bones: Yeah, chew on a tablet of antibiotics and see how that tastes.
Jack Spirko: FishMox, mmm. <laughs>
Dr. Bones: But you need those also. If you have a major issue going on you may have to switch into conventional mode if it’s necessary to. You break a leg, you’re going to need a splint. That’s just the way that is. So why not put both of these together, all of the alternative remedies together, and put conventional medicine together, you mentioned the word marriage and it is actually just like what you and Dorothy have, a perfect marriage. And this is what we need to do to maintain our health in times of trouble. We’ve got to figure out what is in the environment, what can be grown that will make us better. We have to accumulate our medical supplies so that we have all the tools in the woodshed. And if you don’t do that it’s like entering a boxing match with one hand tied behind your back.
Jack Spirko: From your standpoint Amy, I know you’re like me, you’re like a garden freak. You’re growing everything and everything you can and I know you like to grow a lot of different herbs. To me, I’d constantly cook with herbs. I don’t use a pinch of parsley when I do stew or a tablespoon, I use a freaking handful of fresh parsley. I use oregano and parsley and thyme and-
Nurse Amy: Cilantro.
Jack Spirko: Cilantro, my wife is a fiend for that. And to me all of that stuff, and we put that in our daily diets, we’re also doing a lot of preventative medicine. So we’re heading things off with antibiotics, antivirals, antibacterials. I was amazed when I first really started doing research into herbs and I started going, “What are the properties of an herb? What are their therapeutic properties?” When I went through and discovered the forty most common ones and they were all things that were also in medications. And when I started saying, “What herbs have these?” I would find certain herbs were known for certain things but the main cooking herbs had fricken
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Nurse Amy: Amazing. And rosemary, I hope you planted a lot of rosemary. They make a beautiful bush and they grow like crazy.
Dr. Bones: Right.
Jack Spirko: Dorothy loves rosemary. The whole house would be surrounded by it if she had her choice.
Nurse Amy: Well you could make a beautiful hedge from rosemary. And it just smells so incredible. And then plant some other herbs in front of it and just make a layered sort of hedge there.
Jack Spirko: If you roast chicken and potatoes together without rosemary you’re just wrong, I’m sorry.
Dr. Bones: I’m with you man, that’s delicious.
Nurse Amy: Absolutely. But another reason we did put these natural things in here, again it is prevention. When you eat these things you are keeping your body as tip top shape, you’re providing little soldiers that if something is trying to infect you, they’re going to take care of it. You won’t even know it happened because you’re eating so healthy.
Dr. Bones: And even in a situation where, let’s say you broke a bone or you had some kind of injury and you’re healing from it, there are a lot of herbs that will help boost your immune system and help you heal faster.
Nurse Amy: That’s right.
Jack Spirko: Another question – we were kinda joking around about the accidental ethanol ingestion earlier, and then there’s always the guy that says, “Yep, I got my Jack Daniel’s for medicinal purposes.” But do you guys actually see a value of high proof grain alcohol for medicinal purposes?
Dr. Bones: It’s an awesome antiseptic.
Jack Spirko: Okay.
Nurse Amy: Oh, absolutely.
Jack Spirko: And so on that standpoint a lot of people would say, “Well then why not use isopropyl alcohol?” To me it’s dual use, right? It can be ingested. If I got somebody completely freaked out and I can give him two shots of vodka and shut him up so I can take care of other people, I see that as just as medicinally valid as FishMox.
Dr. Bones: Yeah, it has a sedative effect.
Nurse Amy: Absolutely. I would much rather have gallons of that than gallons of isopropyl alcohol. Because actually, once you open that up it starts to oxidate and it’ll go bad. I think your whiskey is going to last a lot longer. Or your high proof alcohol.
Jack Spirko: Plus if I have high proof vodka or everclear or whatever, and moonshine.
Dr. Bones: Everclear – oh my gosh.
Jack Spirko: Keep away from open flame, right? But the other thing is with the herbal stuff, there’s a lot of herbal extractions that I can do using grain alcohol where if I do that with isopropyl alcohol I’m making very good tasting – well probably bad tasting – good smelling poison.
Nurse Amy: Yeah, you can make tictures, exactly. Beautiful, wonderful, healing tinctures.
Dr. Bones: Alright we’re going to, I think in the second edition of the book which I think we’ll put out next year, I think we’ll have a chapter on how to make some of the salves, tictures, and balms. And how to do what they call the maceration process, which is where you infuse herbs into oil.
Jack Spirko: What do you guys think, and I’m including Dorothy in this one, as to why most medical professionals take so much exception to actually accepting these things?
Nurse Amy: I think it’s a lack of education, to tell you the truth. When you begin your medical training, and whether that’s as a nurse because I experienced it too or a doctor, you are given a curriculum that has probably been there for many, many, many, many years basically unchanged and they just follow you through it and it’s all about pharmaceuticals. They are afraid of the FDA to mention alternatives. And I trained as a certified nurse midwife in a master’s program and even our history of midwifery is the community healer. That’s our history.
Jack Spirko: And a midwife didn’t just deliver babies. She was a community medic.
Nurse Amy: Exactly! We were the ones who grew the Chamomile and the Echinacea and knew about the bark, the willow bark. We knew all of these things and this was the knowledge that we imparted and utilized to help take care of our community. Now I went through a midwifery program. Every once in a while they mentioned a little herb, but they frowned upon it because they knew that if I went into practice at a hospital or with a private physician, which I’ve worked in both places, and I told my patient to use X herb instead of X pharmaceutical that I could lose my license. Because that was not FDA approved.
Jack Spirko: It just boggles my mind, too. Because take something like Ephedrine they took away, right? Because a couple people died from it. And a couple people did die. Never mind they ate half a bottle and then drank 17 cups of dark coffee and then went out and ran a marathon; just leave that part out. But a few people did die of it. Let’s say ten people fell over dead using it according to the label. Can you guys tell me how many people a year die from the prescribed use, proper use of pharmaceutical drugs?
Dr. Bones: Well that depends entirely on the different pharmaceutical. There’s probably a couple of people that die a year just from taking too much Tylenol, believe it or not, because it does have some effect on I believe the kidney and liver.
Nurse Amy: Or drinking too much water.
Dr. Bones: So almost anything has the possibility.
Jack Spirko: I just read something recently, it was something like 220,000 people died last year from the “proper use of pharmaceuticals.” In other words, they used it according to the label – and this is all combined, prescription and non-prescription drugs – 220,000 people killed drug-wide in the US last year from proper use of pharmaceuticals.
Nurse Amy: I believe it.
Dr. Bones: Well I can tell you that my mother who – never a smoker, by the way – developed lung cancer in her 70s. And she died. She probably would’ve died of the caner over time but actually she died a lot quicker because she took chemotherapy. Which is perfectly legal medication.
Jack Spirko: FDA approved.
Dr. Bones: FDA approved, indicated for that. And I’ll bet that a percentage of that 220,000, I bet a percentage of them died as a result of medications like that.
Jack Spirko: I would not doubt it for a minute that chemotherapy is a major – and of course they’ll fudge and say, “Well that was cancer.” Well it depends. If it was two year prognosis and you managed to kill the patient in 24 months I think you get the credit.
Nurse Amy: Oh no, her tumor did not grow. In fact they said it had shrunk slightly.
Jack Spirko: Huh.
Dr. Bones: But the rest of her lungs were whited-out by inflammation from the chemotherapy.
Jack Spirko: Well folks, how can people find out more about you guys and get your book?
Dr. Bones: Well our book is available at
createspace.com. It’s available at
amazon.com where it is number two in the survival skills and usually number four or five or six in safety and first aid. They can go to our website at
www.doomandbloom.net where they’ll find not only the book but our various medical kits and other products and over 200 articles on preparedness medicine, alternative remedies, all sorts of good stuff.
Nurse Amy: We’ve been busy Jack.
Jack Spirko: You guys also in all of this do your own podcast.
Nurse Amy: Yes, we do. We do a Saturday night podcast.
Dr. Bones: On the Preparedness Radio Network called the Doom and Bloom Hour.
Nurse Amy: And tomorrow we start a brand new show which we just dropped the file into Dropbox yesterday. On Natural News Radio, Mike Adams, his radio network invited us to start a show. And so our first one is tomorrow – well I don’t know when you’re airing this, it’s Wednesday at 7pm.
Jack Spirko: Okay, then it’ll be yesterday because this is airing on Thursday.
Nurse Amy: They’re going to play it three times a day so they’ll be able to find it.
Dr. Bones: Wednesdays at 7pm.
Nurse Amy: Natural News Radio.
Dr. Bones: And Saturday at 9pm for the Doom and Bloom Hour on the Preparedness Radio Network.
Jack Spirko: Okay guys. Well hey man, I’ve been enjoying having you guys on the air with us again. You’re one of the people on the short list that have a return trip any time you want one.
Nurse Amy: Aww, you’re so sweet.
Dr. Bones: Well we’re honored to be here and I want to take just a second to thank you and your wife Dorothy for everything you do for the preparedness community. I don’t know where we would be without you.
Jack Spirko: I don’t know about that, I think I don’t know where I’d be without this book I’m looking at. Just the list alone guys is probably worth the price of the book. So I’m going to highly endorse it. The audience, if you don’t have this library yet get out and get yourselves a copy.
Nurse Amy: Thank you very much.
Dr. Bones: Thanks, thanks for having us on.
Jack Spirko: And folks, with that this has been Jack Spirko along with Dr. Bones and Nurse Amy and for the first time ever Dorothy Spirko, helping you figure out how to live that better life, if times get tough or even if they don’t.
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