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Title: Criminal charges for having a party
Post by: surfivor on September 23, 2020, 12:28:28 AM

This happened in my area, people charged with a crime for having a party. I see it as a dangerous precedent and something that bothers me. I want to find out who was charged so I can try to contact them and express support and sympathy. How can I find this out ? I almost feel like calling the police or school and expressing my outrage but I am not sure what is a good course of action ?
Title: Re: Criminal charges for having a party
Post by: Redman on September 23, 2020, 05:31:04 AM
You want to express support and have sympathy for stupid people?  ???
Title: Re: Criminal charges for having a party
Post by: surfivor on September 23, 2020, 06:11:16 AM
Disagree, the rules are arbitrary. They could decide you must be vaccinated or must never leave your house. Why not just arrest people who appear to not be socialy distance or pass more laws to
shut down more businesses and activities. There's no end to potential restrictions if you want to go to extremes and who's to say they wouldn't if people think you need to wear masks outdoors on trails or other places

The tests are fraudulent and the causes of death are fraud as well
Title: Re: Criminal charges for having a party
Post by: LvsChant on September 23, 2020, 10:48:24 AM
I agree that many of the local restrictions have gone way too far... for example, the current situation where the archbishop of San Francisco is leading protests because of the unbelievably stringent rules they have placed on churches. While the city buses are running to capacity, churches are not allowed to have indoor services at all and are limited to no more than 15 outside. Ridiculous.

As for what you could do... I'd say that you could try to find out who was responsible for the ruling and try to make sure they are not re-elected in local government. Work toward making that type of behavior personally costly.

For the school, you could find out who is on the school board and who made that ruling and you could call the board member who represents your district.
For the city, you could find out who your town council members are and talk to your own councilman about the situation.
Politicians typically give no time or effort toward pleasing anyone who can't vote for them, so that may be the only place you'll get any traction.

Simply calling either the school or the police department will do no good, imo.
Title: Re: Criminal charges for having a party
Post by: iam4liberty on September 23, 2020, 11:26:22 AM
Funny, I was writing the below as LvsChant was posting.  Jinx!

The rules are indeed arbitrary and have been ruled unconstitutional in the first case to make it up the ladder. (
Pennsylvania coronavirus restrictions deemed unconstitutional, federal judge rules

The ruling found that Wolf's restrictions that required people to stay at home, placed size limits on gatherings and ordered "non-life-sustaining" businesses to shut down were unconstitutional.

The Wolf administration's pandemic policies have been overreaching, arbitrary and violated citizens' constitutional rights, Stickman wrote in his ruling.

It has really come to a head in San Francisco where Pelosi pushed that all Catholic churches be closed downed until after the election to disenfranchise them.  Literally, she wanted it so that only one worshipper could be in the cathedral at a time. And guess who would be chosen for that honor for PR purposes?  Yep, her.  The Archbishop has had enough and has taken the case to the public. (
SF archbishop asks why people can shop at Nordstrom, but not go to church inside

"The City continues to place unrealistic and suffocating restrictions on our natural and constitutional right to worship. This willful discrimination is affecting us all," Cordileone said in his remarks posted by the church online. "Yes, discrimination, because there is no other word for it. We ask: why can people shop at Nordstrom’s at 25% capacity but only one of you at a time is allowed to pray inside of this great Cathedral, your Cathedral? Is this equality?"

Pelosi has been claiming that it was a lie that Catholic churches were forced closed and said that masses were occuring regularly in San Fran and she had just gotten back from one.  But then her staff did a full retreat when challenged by the Clergy. (
Pelosi ‘misspoke’ on San Francisco Mass attendance, spokesman claims

Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s office told CNA Friday evening that she “misspoke” when she described “recently” attending Mass in a San Francisco church, despite the city’s months-long ban on indoor Masses.
Cordileone had pointed out the city’s ban on indoor religious services—except for funerals—during the pandemic
Pelosi answered that “I have been to church in San Francisco recently, and I did receive Communion.”

She then went on to describe the experience in some detail, noting that she had to “sign up” to attend and that “I got in under the wire” as there were only two places left.

San Francisco has banned public indoor religious services—except for funerals—for months. Outdoor services are permitted with a cap on 12 people, although Speaker Pelosi’s recollection of the event recounted an indoor service.

“And when we got there—the church maybe holds 250 people. There were probably 12 people,” she said, “very, very, very spaced. But that was it, no more would be allowed.”

“And then we did receive Communion,” she said, noting that the priest washed his hands before distributing Communion, and that she received Communion in the hand".

Then she insulted the Church by saying they had to "follow the science".  Apparently she didnt know they had just conducted one of the most rigorous scientific studies on coronavirus spread with a sample size of 1 million masses! (
Pelosi to church: ‘Follow science’ on COVID-19 restrictions

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi pushed back Friday against the Catholic archbishop of San Francisco’s criticism of COVID-related restrictions, saying he should “follow science” rather than advocate for fuller in-person gatherings for Mass and worship. (
‘A Serious Deprivation Of Our Rights’: San Francisco Archbishop Pleads With Mayor To Ease Coronavirus Restrictions
"Ours and others’ faith is being treated as less important..."

He also referenced a study by “three major infectious disease specialists” that “over one million public [M]asses have been celebrated following guidelines to prevent the spread of the virus … for Catholic churches following these guidelines, no outbreaks of COVID-19 have been linked to church attendance.”

These restrictions are purely arbitrary in application and politically focussed.  They have no scientific basis, are unprecedented in US history, and clearly unconstitutional.  Ben Franklin warned us about this:

Whoever would overthrow the liberty of a nation must begin by subduing the freeness of speech... Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.
Title: Re: Criminal charges for having a party
Post by: Redman on September 23, 2020, 01:17:41 PM
Some of this may have been arbitrary and possible stupid. Arbitrary stupid rules are made to be broken but to do so blatantly is stupid and I'm sure no one has ever challenged the laws on minors consuming alcohol or the non-medical use of marijuana. The people acted stupidly and there was evidence that laws were being violated.   
Title: Re: Criminal charges for having a party
Post by: iam4liberty on September 23, 2020, 01:45:41 PM
On radio they are reporting all pandemic related charges are being dropped.  Even the $500 fines for masks are being dropped as they know they are unconstitutional.  The parents now only face charges of allowing a party where underage drinking allegedly took place.  That is an existing law and has nothing to do with the mandates. Given the details they estimate it will be a very small monetary fine and maybe expenses for police force.
Title: Re: Criminal charges for having a party
Post by: Redman on September 23, 2020, 02:20:53 PM
That seems more reasonable. Stupidity may get you killed but it has never been criminalised.
Title: Re: Criminal charges for having a party
Post by: Prepper456 on September 25, 2020, 10:01:43 AM
Covid in New York
486,979   cases   33,193 deaths

Mary worked as a cook in the New York City area for eight families, seven of which had members that contracted Covid-19. Mary worked in Mamaroneck, New York, where within two weeks of her employment, residents developed Covid-19. Mary then moved to Manhattan, where members of the family for whom she worked contracted Covid-19, and the housekeeper died. Mary then went to work for a lawyer and left after seven of the eight people in that household became ill with Covid-19.

Mary was then hired by a prosperous lawyer. Within a week, his housekeeper laundress was infected with Covid-19, and soon four of the seven other household members were ill with Covid-19.   Immediately after the outbreak began, Mary left and moved to Tuxedo Park, NY., where she was hired by another employer Two weeks later, the maid in his household was infected wirh Covid-19 and taken to St. Joseph's Regional Medical Center, where her case of Covid-19 was the first in that area.

After bailing on yet another employer, Mary took a position in Oyster Bay on Long Island with the family of a wealthy New York banker. Mary went along with the family when they rented a house in Oyster Bay for the summer. Six of the 11 people in the family came down with Covid-19. Health authorities took water samples from pipes, faucets, toilets, and the cesspool, all of which were negative for Covid-19.

Mary was then hired by a family that lived on Park Avenue. Their maid got sick and soon the new family's only daughter got Covid-19 and died. This case helped to identify Mary as the source of the Covid-19 infections.

Health aurhorities were unable to locate Mary because she generally left after an outbreak began, without giving a forwarding address. Health Authorities then learned of an active outbreak in a penthouse on Park Avenue and discovered Mary was their cook. Two of the household's maids were hospitalized, and the daughter of the family died of Covid-19.

Health authorities met with Mary and accused her of spreading the disease. She then threatened the health inspector with a weapon. When Mary refused to give blood, urine and stool samples for diagnostic testing, Health Authorities  decided to do contact tracing.

NYC Health Authoritied found that of the eight families that had hired Mary as a cook, multiple members of seven families contracted Covid-19.

Mary again refused to cooperate with Health Authorities, believing that Covid  was everywhere (and it was just a hoax). The public did not believe that healthy asymptomatic carriers was a real thing.

Under sections 1169 and 1170 of the Greater New York Charter, Mary was arrested as a public health threat since she would not isolate/quarantine. She was forced into an ambulance by five policemen and a doctor, who at some point had to sit on Mary to restrain her. Mary was transported to the Willard Parker Hospital, where she was restrained and forced to give medical testing samples. For four days, she wasn't even allowed to get up and use the bathroom on her own. The massive amounts of Covid-19 that were discovered in her samples indicated that the infection in her was high. Under questioning, Mary admitted that she almost never washed her hands.

In March 19, Mary was sentenced to quarantine. While quarantined,  she had to give medical samples three times per week. She still refused because she did not believe she carried the Covid-19 disease. Mary was also unwilling to stop working as a cook, a job that earned her more money than any other.

Some Health authorities argued that Mary just had to be taught to carefully treat her condition and ensure that she would not transmit Covid-19 to others.  Mary never did believe that she was a carrier. Eventually she was out of quarentine. 

After she was out of isolation Mary said she was "prepared to change her occupation (that of a cook), and would give assurance by court affidavit that she would upon her release take such hygienic precautionsas would protect those with whom she came in contact, from infection."
But Mary started cooking again. She used fake names and took jobs as a cook against the explicit instructions of health authorities.  She worked in a number of kitchens in restaurants, hotels, and spa centers. Almost wherever she worked, there were outbreaks of Covid-19. However, since she changed jobs frequently, and used fake names, the Health Authority was unable to locate her.

Mary started working at Sloane Hospital in New York City. Soon 25 people were infected with Covid-19, and two died. Finally Mary was found and ID'd. Mary again fled, but the police were able to find and arrest her when she took food to a friend on Long Island. Mary was then returned to quarantine.

The authorities gave her a private living area. She was allowed to take day trips to the mainland and offered Mary a job as a technician, doing data entry.

Some health officials have estimated that Mary may have caused 50 fatalities, and countless infections in New York.

This is actually a true story. Mary Mallon is her real name, aka "Typhoid Mary", who spread actually Typhoid, not Covid-19 since it did not exist yet. The name of the disease is the only thing that was changed.

Today, the phrase "Typhoid Mary" is a colloquial term for anyone who, knowingly or not, spreads disease to others as a superspreader.

Mary was not the only superspreader, just the most infamous during that time. Tony Labella caused over 100 cases (with five deaths); an Adirondack guide named John infected 36 people (with two deaths); and Alphonse Cotils, a restaurateur and bakery owner caused many infections and deaths.

Different disease, different people, same stupidity and ignorance.
Title: Re: Criminal charges for having a party
Post by: surfivor on September 25, 2020, 04:36:59 PM

snopes casts doubts on the actual details of what happened with typhoid mary and seems to indicate much of it was exaggerated
Title: Re: Criminal charges for having a party
Post by: Prepper456 on September 25, 2020, 08:39:32 PM
snopes casts doubts on the actual details of what happened with typhoid mary and seems to indicate much of it was exaggerated

you obviously did not read snopes or what i wrote.

notice.... another characteristic snopes notes is that she was "she was ill-educated and headstrong", 

that sounds like a lot of what we are seeing in the usa today.

Title: Re: Criminal charges for having a party
Post by: surfivor on September 26, 2020, 05:21:39 PM
Snopes said: did she cause deaths of thousands ?  = False

Obviously don't question the government or doctors.

The media promoted a lot of fear during AIDS which ended up to be grossly exaggerated

Otherwise we can live in fear and treat fellow humans as diseased but Jesus and the saints somehow did not behave that way. Saint Francis did not shun a leper. Not saying I would always have that much faith but I can see the many fake manifestations of this virus. A leper is an actual sick person with clear symptoms.