Author Topic: Theoretical Effort to confiscate the guns in the US  (Read 1405 times)

Offline Black November

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Theoretical Effort to confiscate the guns in the US
« on: January 02, 2020, 05:14:42 PM »
Testing whether confiscation is even mathematically possible.

150 million gun owners
30-60 minutes per house?

150 million hours of work
Cop makes 30 per hour ($60k annually)
$4.5 trillion dollars

If 1 officer could visit 8 houses per day
1000 cops =72 years
10ks cops = 7.2 years

Pretty sure not plausible.

Feel free to post your numbers.

Offline iam4liberty

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Re: Theoretical Effort to confiscate the guns in the US
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2020, 09:25:36 PM »
I think it would have to be at least a team of three.

On other hand, there are only 130 million households so it would be about 65 million visits not 150 million if they knew which ones to visit.

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Re: Theoretical Effort to confiscate the guns in the US
« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2020, 09:35:56 PM »
This perpetuates a common misconception about gun confiscation; that there would be a house-to-house rounding up of firearms. That is not how it works.
Gun confiscation begins with registration so that they know who has guns and what kind of guns. The next step is to enact laws prohibiting the guns they discover that registration has revealed that people own. After that they inform you that you have such an illegal firearm and that you are a felon if you do not turn it in. If you do not comply they will confiscate anything you own that is discoverable, such as your bank holdings, your property, your retirement accounts.. and so on. They do not need to send a cop to your door, just a letter to your mailbox.

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Re: Theoretical Effort to confiscate the guns in the US
« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2020, 11:53:27 PM »
Gun confiscation could be an ongoing process that could take years. They wouldn’t care how long it might take. .. something like what carver describes seems like a scenario as well as electronic tracking by computer. If you buy guns or ammo then they can trace it to you. With a cashless society then using cash gets harder and tracking everything gets easier

In the future they could also use drone or robot police and possibly scan your house with x rays or similar technologies to locate guns.

They could also give rewards to other people. If your neighbor reports that you have guns then they get $20 or some amount of none off on their taxes. I can imagine all sorts of possibilities. I think that the idea of political non involvement in the long term is probably defeatist

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Re: Theoretical Effort to confiscate the guns in the US
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2020, 11:56:37 AM »
Initially, there will be no door-to-door or personal interaction.

An ecstatic media will support the initial campaign on TV, Radio, Print and online.   Postcards will be mailed.  Each will outline the basic process:  Turn them in at any Law Enforcement confiscation collection point.

Bring at least two forms of ID, one of which conforms to the REAL ID standards.  You will be photographed, biometrically registered and given your "bounty" for each firearm and reminded as to how many days are left for the voluntary turn-in.  You may also be advised as to how many firearms have not been turned in that you purchased with information taken from seized and micro-fiched Form 4473's.  If you haven't already done so, you will be given a No-Later-Than date to turn in your Last-Known-Status for the firearms that you legally purchased.

There will be two deadlines.  They will only tell you about the first, initially.  Once that has passed, a big deal will be made about non-compliance, and a second deadline will be given for Alibis (you know, the ". . .Oh, gee, Kommisar Officer, I totally forgot about that one. . .") to turn them in.

Then, nothing will happen for about six months to a year.  Or, at least, nothing apparent will happen.  Numbers will be tallied, images broadcast of guns being crushed or melted down, and the Talking Heads will sit very solemnly and discuss how the number of surrendered firearms fell short of the "actual" count.

Of course, there will be a number of active shooters and school shootings to demonstrate that the evil, Constitutionalists who cling so desperately to their guns are nothing more than vile, dangerous psychopaths intent on murdering their fellow man.

There will be a number of highly-publicized raids performed by black-clad assaulters, helicopters and armored vehicles against some hold-outs.  At least one of these will end up like the Branch-Davidian initial assault.  Videos of weeping agents testifying before Congress to the tune of ". . .I was a Marine in the Second Battle of Ramadi. . .I fought Iraqi Insurgents house-to-house. . .that was a cake walk compared to what happened when we tried to serve this warrant. . ."

A third Deadline, promising a no-questions-asked firearms surrendering process will be enacted.

After this third Deadline, an anonymous reward and turn-in program will be initiated where people can call a special number, be assigned a secret ID, and give information on someone who they either know, or suspect, has firearms or any accessories.

They will scare or intimidate most law-abiding gun-owners into surrendering their firearms.

Door-to-door no-knocks?  Why?  When you see videos on TV of wives, daughters and babies handcuffed in their underwear and sitting on the frost-covered front lawn at 3 a.m. while armored vehicles and agents chainsaw their way through a house searching for illegal weapons, you'll  change your tune.

Ninety-nine percent of otherwise law-abiding gun owners will comply.

They will be turned into pariahs.

Defeatist? No.  Just a realist.  Why pay for all the equipment and personnel to do an almost impossible job when you can manipulate the situation and have the people turn the vast majority of them in themselves?

The Professor