Author Topic: Obama & Guns from the Executive Director of the Illinios State Rifle Association  (Read 7206 times)

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As you may know I ain't thrilled with McCain and really wish Ron Paul was a choice next month.  I detest stuff that slams one to make the other look good and have kept my view of both of these guys minimal and stayed out of a lot of the scandal stuff here and on the show.  This however is a creditable source and is the one man who have more direct experience with Obama and gun laws during his time in office.  I suggest anyone that thinks Obama is not out to ban guns to read this with an open mind.

I have actually met Richard Pearson, shook his hand and looked him in the eye.  I have no reason to doubt his words,


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Texas State Rifle Association Political Action


To TSRA Members:  Below is an open letter from the Illinois State

Rifle Association's chief lobbyist,

please read!

Illinois State Rifle Association

420 E. Locust, P.O. Box 637, Chatsworth, IL 60921

Phone: (815) 635-3198 or (815) 635-3166 Fax: (815) 635-3723 Website: www.isra.org

Fellow Sportsman:

 Over the past 15 years, I have served in the Illinois state capitol as the chief lobbyist for the Illinois State Rifle

Association.

I lobbied Barack Obama extensively while he was an Illinois State Senator. As a result of that

experience, I know Obama’s attitudes toward guns and gun owners better than anyone. The truth be

told, in all my years in the Capitol I have never met a legislator who harbors more contempt for

the law-abiding firearm owner than Barack Obama.

Although Obama claims to be an advocate for the 2 nd Amendment, his voting

record in the Illinois Senate paints a very different picture. While a state senator, Obama voted

for a bill that would ban nearly every hunting rifle, shotgun and target rifle owned by Illinois citizens.

That same bill would authorize the state police to raid homes of gun owners and forcibly confiscate

banned guns. Obama supported a bill that would shut down law-abiding firearm manufacturers

including Springfield Armory, Armalite, Rock River Arms and Les Baer. Obama also voted for a bill

that would prohibit law-abiding citizens from purchasing more than one gun per month.

Without a doubt, Barack Obama has proven himself to be an enemy of the law abiding firearm owner. At

the same time, Obama has proven himself to be a friend to the hardened criminal. While a state senator,

Obama voted 4 times against legislation that would allow a homeowner to use a firearm in defense of

home and family.

Does Barack Obama still sound to you like a “friend” of the law-abiding gun owner?

And speaking of friends, you can always tell a person by the company they keep. Obama counts

among his friends the Rev. Michael Pfleger - a renegade Chicago priest who has openly called for the

murder of gun shop owners and pro-gun legislators. Then there is his buddy Richard Daley, the mayor

of Chicago who has declared that if it were up to him, nobody would be allowed to own a gun. And let’s

not forget Obama’s pal George Soros - the guy who has pumped millions of dollars into the UN’s

international effort to disarm law-abiding citizens.

Obama has shown that he is more than willing to use other people’s money to fund his campaign to

take your guns away from you. While a board member of the leftist Joyce Foundation, Barack Obama wrote

checks for tens of millions of dollars to extremist gun control organizations such as the Illinois

Council Against Handgun Violence and the Violence Policy Center.

Does Barack Obama still sound to you like a “friend” of the law-abiding gun owner?

By now, I’m sure that many of you have received mailings from an organization called

“American Hunters and Shooters Association(AHSA)” talking about what a swell fellow Obama is and

how he honors the 2 Amendment and how you will never have to worry about Obama coming to take

your guns. Let me make it perfectly clear - everything the AHSA says about Obama is pure hogwash.

The AHSA is headed by a group of left-wing elitists who subscribe to the British view of hunting and shooting.

That is, a state of affairs where hunting and shooting are reserved for the wealthy upper-crust who can afford

 guided hunts on exclusive private reserves.

The AHSA is not your friend, never will be.

In closing, I’d like to remind you that I’m a guy who has actually gone nose to nose with Obama on gun rights

issues. The Obama I know cannot even begin to identify with this nation’s outdoor traditions. The Obama I

know sees you, the law abiding gun owner, as nothing but a low-class lummox who is easily swayed by the

flash of a smile and a ration of rosy rhetoric. The Obama I know is a stony-faced liar who has honed

his skill at getting what he wants - so long as people are willing to give it to him.

That’s the Barack Obama I know.

 Richard A. Pearson

Executive Director

Illinois State Rifle Association

Open Letter to Sportsmen:10/10/08
 
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This post is about Barak Obama, keep it that way please.  Let's debate if anyone wants to but there is no reason to start tearing other candidate down in order to do so.  If you want to beat up McCain, make a new post and I will help you do it.  ;)

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 :( Its like trying to decide the lesser of two evils. I will not debate the fact that Obama hates gun owners. For a reason I know not why. Its not the civil gun owners that are causing problems. Its criminals, and criminals never obey the law. So making a law against guns changes nothing, and in Britain has shown to cause more gun crime than anything else. I think this is an issue, if it came down to it, could cause civil unrest. I would fight to keep all of our rights in the Constitution. I do not understand what part of 'shall not be infringed' that they do not understand. They make it out like it is some kind of unclear statement when it isn't. "The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" seems pretty straightforward to me. So knowing this I can't vote for Obama. However, knowing about McCain I can't vote for him either.  :(  I would rather live through a depression than give up one of our inalienable rights. If Obama is this much against gun ownership and against the Second Amendment then how can he call himself American? This disturbs me alot. I remember hearing what he said on the NRA website. His words. That disturbed me as well.

To be fair I will list several links with both sides of the arguement.  Regardless of what FactCheck says is false, the things the NRA says are true, are scary enough for me. Banning anyone but police to conceal carry? That is a direct affront to the Second Amendment which says we have the right to bear arms. Very tactfully he says these things, but even I can see the loopholes he has put in them so when his real agenda gets out there that it won't seem like lies. There are several statements he has made which sound misleading. Take a look at the links and see what you think. His reasonable restraints on guns depend on what he thinks is reasonable. He wants us to register our guns. He wants to reinstitute the Clinton ban on guns, which by the way, were on weapons that 'looked' like assault weapons, because the truth is that you can not legally own a true assualt rifle anyway. They showed on the NRA website how CNN tried to make it look like they were going to allow assault rifles in the street by misleading the audience. They showed a man using an assault full automatic rifle on a target and said that these were the guns that they were going to allow on the street. Its BS. Pure and simple. Let me post that link too because that makes me mad.


http://fightthesmears.com/articles/17/NRAflyer?source=sem-pm-fts-gun-search-us-yah
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/nra_targets_obama.html
http://www.gunbanobama.com/Default.aspx?NavGuid=530ecfa4-ae4e-4819-97e6-892463d99f08
http://www.gunbanobama.com/default.aspx?NavGuid=8880c08e-8bb0-4d8c-985b-2468868d096d
http://existingthing.blogspot.com/2007/11/cnn-your-reporter-faked-that-story.html

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Voting for the lesser of two evils is voting for evil. We are so doomed.

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As I have said I am voting for Chuck Baldwin to make a statement but I can afford to because to.  Texas is a McCain state they won't even campaign here.  If I were in PA, OH, etc I would hold my nose and vote for McCain simply so that one party does not control the house, senate and the presidency.  I think we have learned be it Democrat or Republican that is one hell of a bad idea.

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I urge everyone to vote for mccain over obama. If only for the supreme court justices and federal court appointments. Think about it, Pelosi running the Senate and Obama in the White House? Ewwwwwww

Heres how ill be voting.

McCain for president.
Everything else libertarian unless there isnt a libertarian running than ill vote against the incumbent.

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Well, Obama has Ray Shoenke of the American Hunters and Shooters supporting Obama on the video here where Obama says is not in favor of gun control:
 
http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/imsm?source=sem-lb-google-con-sport-search-national&gclid=CL3i2KDQqpYCFQOeFQod4273yw

But I think you are right, he has been in  favor of some gun control on his voting record.

This site lists gun control votes by various politicians:

http://www.ontheissues.org/Gun_Control.htm

The democrats it's true tend to try to restrict guns which they believe will limit crime. I never was that concerned about gun laws or had much of an opinion about it until I recently realized that there could be a police state and people might need to hunt for food as well. Even though I have been semi vegetarian for years, I am now opposed to gun control even if I thought it could reduce crime, it doesn't matter as that's not the issue. The constitution appears to be written the way it is not to protect against crime, allow people to hunt, or to be sympathetic to gun lovers everywhere, but to simply ensure that the civilian population has the ability to protect itself against an oppressive government which happens from time to time in history. If the military wants to get rid of their tanks and guns as well as nukes, well then maybe they'll have a better argument at that point. Any kind of power can be abused whether it be the police or anyone else, that's why we have checks and balances and if the right to bear arms seems like a crude means, well it's the only way to accomplish that kind of thing it seems. Hopefully I am totally wrong on all the conspiracy stuff and whatever fears I have are exaggerated, but I don't know that there is any way to tell for sure.

 Gun control kind of reminds me of risk management stuff I never liked anyway, in order to be safe you can't do this or that. When I was a 8 years old I used to canoe out in the ocean and paddle up a river and camp in the winter, I'm told kids nowadays wouldn't be allowed to do that, it's not safe. All they can do is stay at home safe in front of the TV while their brains rot.

 I don't think the democrats could do much to limit guns, but I understand folks who are concerned about it. I am voting for Obama because I hope he will scale back or end these wars and I tend to favor his tax policies, and it's either him or MCain and Mcain seems like he wants to keep us in Iraq until our economy collapses and said something about freezing all govt spending which for all I know could effect social security or the elderly. I do realize it's an imperfect world, and there are a number of issues that I disagree with liberals on. I am basically a conservative democrat, I'm the most conservative in my family, my dad, my mother and sister are (or where) basically all pretty far to the left and my mother does not even want to see my compound bow and does not want me shooting it in her yard, though she is not as liberal as my sister.

 

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Well, Obama has Ray Shoenke of the American Hunters and Shooters supporting Obama on the video here where Obama says is not in favor of gun control:
 
http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/imsm?source=sem-lb-google-con-sport-search-national&gclid=CL3i2KDQqpYCFQOeFQod4273


The problem is that the AHSH is a leftist front organization.  They are for hunting the way it is practiced in the UK, France, etc. where the wealthy can hunt on fancy preserves.  They are totally opposed to my and your right to own a gun, defend our home, etc.  And so is Obama.  Again I believe the author of this letter because I shook his hand, looked  him in the eye and know him as a man.  I also know for a fact the ASHA is a false front group created by leftist socialists to soft sell left candidates as moderates on gun control to independent moderate voters.  That is a pure fact, no true pro gun group could endorse Obama to this level and bash McCain at the same time.  This thread is not and should not be about McCain but his record on the second amendment is stellar and Obama's is abysmal. 

And Surfivor Obama will not reduce our involvement in war, he will increase it.  He will pull back on Iraq but escalate the Afghan war and turn it into Vietnam II.   
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Obama speaks with a forked tongue….
I’ve been listening to Kenn Blanchard aka Blackman with a Gun on the Urban Shooter Podcast.  He has shown me the racist roots of our gun control laws.  There are laws that date back before the Slave Codes that kept blacks or other minorities from owning a gun.  These laws that kept guns out of the hands of law abiding people are throughout U.S. history.  After the Civil War gun control laws were changed from the color of your skin to your economic status.  The richer you are the easier to get a pistol CCW permit or a permit just to buy a pistol.  Maryland requires you to take a gun safety class before you can buy a pistol and pay a myriad of fees.  To me it sounds like a reading comprehension test or a poll tax that was conducted on black people so they can vote.  Obama as a black man should be a die hard pro-gun candidate.  The Second Amendment was written to protect the people from the tyranny of government.  If black people possessed firearms from the start of our country slavery wouldn’t have occurred in the U.S.  With more liberal gun laws everybody will be able to protect themselves regardless of their skin color.  Kenn Blanchard is more eloquent and informed than me.  For more info please check out Kenn's podcast.  http://www.blackmanwithagun.com/

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 I hope your wrong about Obama, I would hope that Afghanistan would be a shorter type of deal and not fall into the "stay there because there's oil, we need a pipeline, give money to Haliburton" type situation. I try to be optimistic in some ways and would have a hard time voting for MCain, though if he went back to being the guy he was before the election he wouldn't seem as quite as bad. I'd hate to think I could ever turn into one of those people who stays home and doesn't vote, but often it does seem to be about the guy you dislike less.

 If there's martial law, the govt may try to confiscate guns regardless of who's in office, I tend to think martial law would be more likely under a republican administration, though Bush seems like the scariest of the bunch and not MCain as much, though it's not clear who MCain might get marching orders from; but I understand the fears of the far left with gun control, and don't doubt that you may be right about that guy being part of some front, though I know little about it.

  Every time there is some crime, people always are like "what are we going to do to stop this", that's why the US has the highest incarceration rate in the world, people on death row and driving with high levels of alcohol in your blood has gotten very strict. People in our state go to jail after the third offense and they lose their license for two years on the second offense. Not that I think drinking and driving is ok, but I'm not sure if people losing their license really helps them and some people seem to have addictive behaviors and weaknesses. Then there's the 'we need to spy on everyone" mentality, gun control sort of fits into all that fear, control it, don't allow it etc. Politicians like to get tough on crime, quite alot of people who are not hunters don't care about gun laws and probably don't think martial law will ever happen, it's just another crazy conspiracy to them and they think they'll be safer if guns are restricted. You could not convince them otherwise. A police state could not be a police state without trying to control guns.


 
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I think what Jack is getting at is, that we know what Obama will do in regards to guns.  He will do everything he can to ban them.  This is from his record in the Illinois senate and his own words.  We do know what McCain, Barr and Paul will do with the second amendment, leave it alone.  Now, if gun ownership and the second amendment is important to you, then you cannot possibly justify a vote for Obama. 

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For me it's a tough call since I lean a bit more on the liberal side of things. For me, if I voted for McCain it would only be for one issue. Granted it maybe THE issue.... I don't believe McCain is what this country needs right now especially in the wake of W. Of course, for many reasons I am not sold on Obama either. Like Coldhaven said it's like picking the lesser of the two evils. Luckily, I don't really have to make that choice... Texas will go to McCain with or without me... so I am free to Vote for Bob Barr.

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We do know what McCain, Barr and Paul will do with the second amendment, leave it alone. 

I don't think McCain will leave the Second Amendment alone. Until recently, he was a poster child for the Gun Control Republicans.

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We do know what McCain, Barr and Paul will do with the second amendment, leave it alone. 

I don't think McCain will leave the Second Amendment alone. Until recently, he was a poster child for the Gun Control Republicans.

So he has voted for gun control bills in the past? 

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On the second amendment and gun control.

McCain - http://www.ontheissues.org/domestic/john_mccain_gun_control.htm 

Obama - http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/barack_obama_gun_control.htm

As Detective Friday used to say "just the facts". 

Now damn it lets try to discuss Obama's stance on guns here not McCain's.  Again want to bash McCain, I will play ball, make a new thread.

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Now damn it lets try to discuss Obama's stance on guns here not McCain's.  Again want to bash McCain, I will play ball, make a new thread.


Right sorry.

I think Obama is the most anti-gun presidential candidate in history. Under pain of death, I wouldn't vote for him.