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David in MN:

--- Quote from: LvsChant on March 28, 2020, 01:56:34 PM ---I saw a report from someone saying that the number of cellphone users has dropped by 21 million in the past two months. They say as many as 15 million may be due to migrants and pay for use type customers not using them during the lockdown. But another 6 million is not explained by that theory. It seems likely that at least some of those 6 million may also be virus victims that China isn't reporting.

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I saw those numbers too. So what happens if the Chinese are letting their own die unreported just to save face? Are we going to ban all travel from China? Suppose the whole of the Americas, the EU, and Africa just lock them out... They'd be a backwater in days while we scrambled to replace their production capacity.

But what do you do with the kid who gets caught with his hand in the cookie jar and does it again the instant you turn your back? We all think Chinese manufacturing is a rock solid thing but you throw on some customs paperwork, a quarantine, and a travel restriction and holy cow it's suddenly too expensive to manufacture there and you can't even send the engineers over. Heaven help us if our business insurance doubles rates to insure travel to China.

Most of us lead a pretty spoiled life by historical standards. But let's look this in the eye. The NBA will shutter before criticizing China because of the revenue they make over there. Same for Hollywood. A little blip could cause a big change in a lot of businesses. But how are you going to put that in front of people who watched loved ones die, lost their retirement, and got laid off because the Chinese government repeated lies? Something has to give.

Chemsoldier:
If China is having millions of deaths it will generate a signature that Imagery Intelligence (IMINT) and Measurement and Signature Intelligence (MASINT) will detect.  A fair amount of that capability isn't even governmental (see Google Earth) anymore.

If it is of that magnitude, it will be found out and it will be even worse for them than just admitting it up front.

mountainmoma:

--- Quote from: Chemsoldier on March 28, 2020, 04:01:50 PM ---If China is having millions of deaths it will generate a signature that Imagery Intelligence (IMINT) and Measurement and Signature Intelligence (MASINT) will detect.  A fair amount of that capability isn't even governmental (see Google Earth) anymore.

If it is of that magnitude, it will be found out and it will be even worse for them than just admitting it up front.

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didnt that already happen when all the mobile crematories where brought to Wuhan and you could see all the heat signatures etc... ?  So, I think it isnt that they are having millions now but that they did. 

David in MN:
Worth repeating that their best case scenario is that they have lax food safety laws, lied about the severity to the WHO, and made up false data to support their claims. Their worst case, and it's almost unthinkable, is that they did this whole thing on purpose and engineered a global plague.

You must make business decisions and even the best of all options is bad. Is your business going to send you to a country that has disease risk, poor medical care, and a willingness to lie about your well-being? Will other countries accept their travelers?

This is what's really sickening. The Chinese need to come clean and quick. Otherwise it's not the corrupt government but the common man and women who may well be shut out of global trade where the bloodbath will hit.

Chemsoldier:

--- Quote from: mountainmoma on March 28, 2020, 04:12:50 PM ---didnt that already happen when all the mobile crematories where brought to Wuhan and you could see all the heat signatures etc... ?  So, I think it isnt that they are having millions now but that they did.

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MASINT is slow, like forensic stuff.  They may have already seen it, but lining up all the stuff to say more than "thats a lot of heat" takes time. Especially fusing it with other INTs to make the case tighter.  Once they do though, it will be a lot more damning.

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