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Re: It's time to watch Turkey
« Reply #180 on: October 25, 2016, 06:26:54 AM »
I think CIA is knee deep in this.

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Re: It's time to watch Turkey
« Reply #181 on: October 25, 2016, 07:59:16 AM »
I think CIA is knee deep in this.
Remember way back when George Washington cautioned about getting involved in foreign wars? The history of Europe was that of never ending warfare and it will always be that way. After Hitler declared war on us in 1941 we had to respond, but after the Soviet Union collapse and their withdrawal we should've done the same. We need to get out of there.

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Re: It's time to watch Turkey
« Reply #182 on: October 25, 2016, 02:27:57 PM »
Interesting. 
Putin outsourcing destroying NATO?  NATO obviously includes Greece and Turkey and is involved in Bulgarian security though Bulgaria is not part of the alliance. 

The Turkish disputing their neighboors land is an old story....It goes way back to the 60s and it was mainly exptressed by the Kemalists geneals and their side-goverment

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Though why Turkey would want the Kurdish parts of Iraq is beyond me.  They are the strongest and most able of the Kurdish areas and it doesn't even make sense from a unity of effort standpoint since Kurds also have areas in Iran, so it would not eliminate safe havens.

Because the Kurd are on their way to building their own state piece by piece. they are semi-autonomous in Iraq, they are almost controling the Kurdish minority areas in southeast Turkey.
And in Syria, the prospect of connected the regiosn that they control (liberated from ISIS), and that will create a stip at the Syrian-turkish borders.

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Re: It's time to watch Turkey
« Reply #183 on: November 01, 2016, 10:33:10 AM »
Long columns of Turkish tanks & armored vehicles are being deployed to Silopi near the border with Iraq.

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Re: It's time to watch Turkey
« Reply #184 on: November 22, 2016, 09:55:03 AM »
This is an interesting article.
'There is no difference between Erdogan and Baghdadi.
Except I suppose, Erdogan rules a member nation-state, a member of NATO with a well equipped military...

http://www.mfs-theothernews.com/2016/11/there-is-no-difference-between-erdogan.html

Turkish authorities issued an arrest warrant for the leader of the Syrian Kurdish Democratic Union Party (PYD)

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-turkey-kurds-idUSKBN13H0Y2?il=0

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Re: It's time to watch Turkey
« Reply #185 on: November 22, 2016, 10:37:29 AM »
Erdogan is further establishing a totalitarian state.
In the enws there are daily persecutioins and prosecutions of "opponents undermining the state"
Today it was 10000 more public servants

BTW there is word thta he is moving for eimination of the prome minister office alltogether

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Re: It's time to watch Turkey
« Reply #186 on: April 17, 2017, 09:02:29 AM »
Lot's happening in Turkey...

Unlevel playing field in Turkey's constitutional referendum: preliminary conclusions by international observers

http://www.osce.org/odihr/elections/turkey/311726

Reuters:
Erdogan says he will immediately discuss death penalty issue with prime minister; can take it to referendum if necessary.

Protests continue in Turkey
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/protests-after-turkey-vote/vp-BBzVnGa

Associated Press:
Turkey's main opposition party says it will challenge 37 percent of the votes counted in the referendum.

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Re: It's time to watch Turkey
« Reply #187 on: April 17, 2017, 09:35:24 AM »
this referendum's graph.
Erdie still remains strong since the east Anatolian population (geographically secluded and of low education) still votes for him.
https://dnd.com.pk/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Erdogan-wins-Turkish-referendum-to-launch-Presidential-form-of-government.jpg

compare it to the 2010 referendum
https://welections.wordpress.com/2010/09/14/turkey-referendum-2010/

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Re: It's time to watch Turkey
« Reply #188 on: April 17, 2017, 11:02:01 AM »
AFP Breaking News:
https://www.afp.com/en
Erdogan says Turkey could hold referendum on EU membership bid

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Re: It's time to watch Turkey
« Reply #189 on: November 29, 2017, 02:48:09 AM »
I have been following this for a while now, cos i remember the time that the Turkish lira to euro ratio was arbitrarily set at 1:1

here is a graph of the lira value against the $


image was taken form this (google translate link)
https://translate.google.gr/translate?sl=el&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=el&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fslpress.gr%2Foikonomia%2Fstin-kopsi-tou-xyrafiou-i-tourkiki-oikonomia%2F&edit-text=

in short
GDP froth 5.1 fueled by loans
Inflation 11.9%
investors selling to convert to foreign currencies
private dept is at $325,6bn
state dept deficit at $440,5bn


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Re: It's time to watch Turkey
« Reply #191 on: January 19, 2018, 05:50:24 PM »
and this
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20 buses carrying around 1,000 Turkey-backed militants crossed into Syria from Kilis amid increasing reports of a potential military operation against the Kurdish-held enclave of Afrin
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DT7CxL_XkAYD2yk.jpg:large

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Re: It's time to watch Turkey
« Reply #192 on: January 29, 2018, 03:10:49 PM »
Developing now.
Big Turkish army convoy including APCs drove thru Hay'et Tahrir al-Sham controlled Idlib in Syria heading towards Al-Eis, Syria, a rebel controlled front line with Syrian gov forces & allies. Turkish army convoy was escorted whole time by AlQaeda linked HTS group.

Here is an interesting detail.
Russian planes were in the sky as the Turkish convoy drove through HTS controlled Idlib province. They bombed 15 KMs away from the convoy. So big question now:
Is the Turkish convey moving with the approval or in defiance of the Russians?

According to multiple opposition activists on the ground, who are tracking the Turkish army convoy in Idlib, the Russians are bombing a village 2 kms infront of the convoy. As a result, the Turkish convoy has come to a halt.



Seems for now the Russians are not going to allow the Turkish army convoy to pass.

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Re: It's time to watch Turkey
« Reply #193 on: January 29, 2018, 04:12:52 PM »
ihave been following this from the start. very complicated sutuation. Geostratigically. will post more in the morning, my timezone.

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Re: It's time to watch Turkey
« Reply #194 on: January 29, 2018, 11:10:37 PM »
it is important to note WHERE it happens.
It is at the Kurdish controlled region in Syria, where the Kurdish forces are backed by Russia and not by the US.
Jan 2015 & Jan 2018 Comparison map.
http://img.e-amyna.com/2018/01/99600886_syria_control_2015_2018comparisonv1_640_16x9_map-nc.png

Now, if we are to go back in the Continuing Syrian Crisis thread, we will see that this is the second time Turkey is involved with the goal to cutoff the Kurds' exit to the Mediterranean and forming a Kurdish state all along the south of Turkey.
http://thesurvivalpodcast.com/forum/index.php?topic=45139.msg736096#msg736096

What doesn't compute is why the Russians and the US allowed Turkey to intervene, and why thy are selling out their Kurdish allies against ISIS.
The stronger scenario is that post war Syriah is already divided into parts. And the Kurds just liberated more than their share.
A local analyst (ex-Greek spy in Turkey, having done field work in the Kurdish areas within Turkish borders), assumes that there is an under the table deal between the Russians and the Kurds. In the sense of "Accept the loss of the Afrin area, and we will back your independence status after the war".

Now, the whole situation plays into Russia's hands, cos with this incident it distances Turkey from NATO further.
And it is far easier for the Russians to take back this piece of land from the Turks than from the Kurds. Then they will give it back to Assad.

one noteworthy detail. The Turkish operation are with almost no aerial means. You see there are so many Russian and American antiaircraft missiles in the hands of the Kurds.
So pending any current analysis, the Russian bombing was either a stop or airsupport.

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Re: It's time to watch Turkey
« Reply #195 on: January 30, 2018, 12:45:44 AM »
forgot this
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U.S. Coalition Forces ‘Well Prepared’ to Defend Against Turkish Offensive in Syria
http://freebeacon.com/national-security/u-s-coalition-forces-well-prepared-defend-turkish-offensive-syria/?utm_source=Freedom+Mail&utm_campaign=65917e0001-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_01_26&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_b5e6e0e9ea-65917e0001-45610777

of course there is the theory of WSJ. that this Turkish action is just part of a larger Turko-Russo-Iranian scheme to oust he Kurds and the US from Syria.

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Re: It's time to watch Turkey
« Reply #196 on: February 20, 2018, 08:02:52 AM »
Turkish fighter jets target the pro-Syrian government forces who arrived in Afrin.
It's getting interesting.
I wonder what Russia will do?

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Re: It's time to watch Turkey
« Reply #198 on: May 15, 2018, 12:52:42 AM »
long time no updating....
So i will give you just the headlines and a few relevant links from Zerohedge

Economists the world over consider turkey to be "overheating". The value of their currency is dropping and the private sector has loaned themselves out beyond recognition.

Turkish Lira Tumbles As Erdogan Blasts Interest Rates Are "Mother Of All Evils"
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-11/turkish-lira-tumbles-erdogan-blasts-interest-rates-are-mother-all-evils


Turkey is in the path to new elections. It is considered Erdogan's power to be no greater than 50% but voices of concern on the veracity of the results have already being heard. i.e. voting ballots will be placed in unmarked by the election committee envelops.

Turkey's Elections: But Who Counts The Votes?
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-09/turkeys-elections-who-counts-votes


Turkey is still going ahead with the purchase of the Russian S-400 anti-aircraft anti-ballistic missile system. it is to be received in June.
As a result in the US congress a bill has already been suggested to hinder Turkey from taking delivery of the US F-35 stealth bomber.
It is hard to accept that Russian experts assisting with the setting up the S-400 system will have eyes on the F-35 making their familiarization, training and tactics developing flights

"You Can't Control Us" - Turkey Threatens To Retaliate If US Blocks Sale Of 116 F-35s
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-06/you-cant-control-us-turkey-threatens-retaliate-if-us-blocks-sale-116-f-35s

Moscow's "Eye In Turkey": Transfer Of S-400 Missiles Will Open Turkey To Russian Spying, NATO Warns
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-13/moscows-eye-turkey-transfer-s-400-missiles-will-open-turkey-russian-spying-germanys



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Re: It's time to watch Turkey
« Reply #199 on: August 20, 2020, 10:21:00 AM »
one can keep kicking the ball for so long...

value of the Turkish currency is going down for so long, the country (state, banks and people) have huge loans on the US dollar, which consequently keep getting harder to serve, and currency reserves have been exhausted trying to save the lira's value.

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Turkey Hit By Bank Runs, Currency Panic As Locals Sell Their Cars And Houses To Buy Gold While Lira Implodes
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/turkey-hit-bank-runs-currency-panic-locals-sell-their-cars-and-houses-buy-gold-while-lira?fbclid=IwAR3RRk9C5xawTnKZo5legc6gcm_Uj0jt7sLG31uUZ5CIcJDXKQp2Qp89JoM

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Re: It's time to watch Turkey
« Reply #200 on: August 20, 2020, 11:10:10 AM »
Wow.  What a chart.  That currency is beyond saving.

Meanwhile the government has been selling their currency for gold in massive amounts. 

https://tradingeconomics.com/turkey/gold-reserves


Looks like the political class is preparing to make a run for it.  They have been taking physical possession of their overseas holdings for last couple years.  Usually this is a sign of pirating the public's funds.

https://www.goldbroker.com/news/turkeys-central-bank-transfers-its-gold-reserves-from-us-to-turkey-1302