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Title: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: idelphic on November 22, 2009, 02:08:48 PM
Moving things around in the basement today, I wondered getting a new sealer so I can package dry items in jars (rice, pasta,..)

In talking with DW,.. she mentioned no interest in getting special - eXPENSIVE lids,.. I agree.

Is there a sealer that will use the normal mason jar lids but with a cold vacuum?
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: TwoBluesMama on November 22, 2009, 03:25:52 PM
Moving things around in the basement today, I wondered getting a new sealer so I can package dry items in jars (rice, pasta,..)

In talking with DW,.. she mentioned no interest in getting special - eXPENSIVE lids,.. I agree.

Is there a sealer that will use the normal mason jar lids but with a cold vacuum?

idelphic - I am working on putting together some pics of the sealer we use.  It is so inexpensive and works wonderfully. It will even reseal reused jars from other foods like spaghetti sauce, etc.  Will try to get them downloaded and up in the either tomorrow or Tuesday at latest.  TBM 
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: Red Dog on November 22, 2009, 03:48:14 PM
The Foodsaver uses the regular lids. The white attachment that they sell goes on over the regular lid and is then removed once the vacuum is drawn.
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: TwoBluesMama on November 22, 2009, 03:53:00 PM
The Foodsaver uses the regular lids. The white attachment that they sell goes on over the regular lid and is then removed once the vacuum is drawn.

The one I was telling idelphic about doesn't use electricity. I have the food saver and I think this one works better. I promise I'll have pics and info tomorrow. TBM
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: idelphic on November 22, 2009, 03:55:13 PM
The Foodsaver uses the regular lids. The white attachment that they sell goes on over the regular lid and is then removed once the vacuum is drawn.
Is this the thingie RD?
    Shame no instructions on it really..
http://www.foodsaver.com/Product.aspx?id=c&cid=89&pid=270 (http://www.foodsaver.com/Product.aspx?id=c&cid=89&pid=270)
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: Who...me? on November 22, 2009, 03:57:05 PM
Sorry to jump in but yes...that is the thing.  I have had jars vacuum seal this hold the seal for over 10 years.
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: LvsChant on November 22, 2009, 04:24:28 PM
...another option with the foodsaver... I bought a large foodsaver canister (big enough to hold any jars you might want to re-use ) and have used it to seal dry things in with great success. It works well for old pasta sauce jars with the original lids, and all sort of other jars and lids you want to re-use (only for dry storage). You just put the jar with the lid on it in the canister and vacuum seal the canister. Then, after removing the hose, you release the pressure using the canister release button. The jar inside will magically seal with the lid button sucked down. I have the size for standard size mason jars, but not the wide mouth, so I use this method on widemouth mason jars as well as the other store jars.

I use old jars and lids for dehydrated foods, chocolate... anything dry I want to store longer on the shelf.

This does still require power, though, so I am looking forward to seeing your other method TBM.
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: Red Dog on November 22, 2009, 05:11:42 PM
Is this the thingie RD?
    Shame no instructions on it really..
http://www.foodsaver.com/Product.aspx?id=c&cid=89&pid=270 (http://www.foodsaver.com/Product.aspx?id=c&cid=89&pid=270)

Thats it the description is lousy also. You slip that on over a wide mouth Jar with the lid in place, attach the vacuum hose from your sealer to the top of the lid and turn it on. It removes the air and sucks the lid down tight. When you remove the hose it breaks the seal under the white thing and you pull it off. The mason jar lid stays in place. If you want you can screw the ring on loosely at that point. Works real well and the lids seem to work over and over as long as your careful when you break the vacuum.
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: Mr Ant on November 22, 2009, 06:57:01 PM
This is great! I never realized that these would work will the jar lids.

I was looking on the web for what TwoBluesMama was describing and found an instructables project that you may be interested in:

http://www.instructables.com/id/The-Alvin-Vacuum-Sealer/ (http://www.instructables.com/id/The-Alvin-Vacuum-Sealer/)
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: bartsdad on November 22, 2009, 08:01:45 PM

http://www.instructables.com/id/The-Alvin-Vacuum-Sealer/ (http://www.instructables.com/id/The-Alvin-Vacuum-Sealer/)


That's slick. I already have the hand pump, just need to pick up a jar adapter. Thanks.
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: TwoBluesMama on November 23, 2009, 10:30:57 AM
Okay guys I should have just posted their website but wasn't thinking. It is http://www.pump-n-seal.com (http://www.pump-n-seal.com).   I will say when we purchased this pump it was almost half in price - ouch.  Anyway I like it and I seal all our preps in mason jars with this.  I also do all the dehydrated foods I jar this way.  I can even use it on other types of used jars such as spaghetti sauce. It also can be used for ziplocs although I haven't ever used it for that.  Perhaps the Food Saver one is cheaper - I don't know.  Anyway hope this at least gives more ideas.  Blessings, TBM
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Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: LvsChant on November 23, 2009, 03:04:25 PM
And don't those dried peppers and tomatoes look good! Can't really tell, but do you first poke a small hole in the lid with a thumbtack and then use the pump and seal? Then, tape quickly over the top to keep air out? Looks like a great no power option.
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: TwoBluesMama on November 23, 2009, 05:38:37 PM
And don't those dried peppers and tomatoes look good! Can't really tell, but do you first poke a small hole in the lid with a thumbtack and then use the pump and seal? Then, tape quickly over the top to keep air out? Looks like a great no power option.

Sorry my brain is having an off day.  I should have explained it.  First you poke a small hole (it's like a sturdy pushpin) and then you cover the hole with a seal.  It looks like a small bandaid.  Then you pump the air out.  When you need to get into the jar you must lift the corner of the seal and introduce air back in otherwise it is next to impossible to get the lid off.  The seals can be opened and closed numerous times.  Thanks for the nice words about the peppers and tomatoes - I actually (I can't believe I'm going to say this) got tired of canning and decided to dehydrate some stuff.  Still have some more tomatoes to do and then I need to do something with 200 lbs of squash.  Wonder if some will dehydrate nicely?  Blessings, TBM 
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: idelphic on November 23, 2009, 06:43:05 PM
Interesting TBM...  I have seen the Pump -n-Seal around a time or two,..  but wondered about it. 
Some questions about it - if I had a pressure canned jar, could I take the lid and recycle it using the press-n-seal?  or do you need to use a new lid.

What is the longest you have had something sealed using the Pump-n-seal?
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: LvsChant on November 23, 2009, 09:11:20 PM
TBM... I had good luck dehydrating zucchini this summer. Just sliced and dried... makes a sort of zucchini chip... I'm guessing you may have winter squash this time of year, though... can't help with that from experience...
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: TwoBluesMama on November 24, 2009, 07:53:58 AM
Interesting TBM...  I have seen the Pump -n-Seal around a time or two,..  but wondered about it. 
Some questions about it - if I had a pressure canned jar, could I take the lid and recycle it using the press-n-seal?  or do you need to use a new lid.

What is the longest you have had something sealed using the Pump-n-seal?

Please know that this sealer is not a replacement for anything that has been pressure canned. What food are you asking about resealing? If you open a pressure canned jar you must either eat what's in there or refrigerate it - you cannot safely reseal it. The Pump N Seal won't reseal something that has to be or is already pressure canned (that's asking for bad trouble - like botulism, etc.)  I use it for my preps such as 1/2 gallon jars of different kinds of exotic rice, beans, rye and spelt flours, brown sugar, - stuff I don't keep in larger bucket quantities. The seals have held for a long time - perhaps a couple of years or more. I sometimes have trouble sealing the flours as they tend to pull up into the seal.  I've found covering the top of the flour with wax paper takes care of the problem.  This sealer makes jars air tight against bugs and extends the food life.

Please let me know what you specifically asking about. Blessings, TBM

TBM... I had good luck dehydrating zucchini this summer. Just sliced and dried... makes a sort of zucchini chip... I'm guessing you may have winter squash this time of year, though... can't help with that from experience...
Yep 256 lbs of winter squash - I'll keep some in storage and come up with other ways to process the rest, probably can some for pies and baking, maybe freeze some of the juicier ones. Thanks TBM
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: Morning Sunshine on November 24, 2009, 08:15:24 AM
Please know that this sealer is not a replacement for anything that has been pressure canned. What food are you asking about resealing? If you open a pressure canned jar you must either eat what's in there or refrigerate it - you cannot safely reseal it. The Pump N Seal won't reseal something that has to be or is already pressure canned (that's asking for bad trouble - like botulism, etc.) 

my guess is that he is just talking about the seal.  you bottled beans, ate the beans, now have a pressure-canned used seal that cannot be re-used for canning.  At least, that is how I read the question and also is my question.
and just to verify, this Pump N Seal is electricity free, correct?


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Please let me know what you specifically asking about. Blessings, TBM
Yep 256 lbs of winter squash - I'll keep some in storage and come up with other ways to process the rest, probably can some for pies and baking, maybe freeze some of the juicier ones. Thanks TBM
I dehydrated some winter squash.  it turned out like a thick fruit leather.  I then blended it into flour and am reconstituting for baby food.  It is working great for smooth, easy babyfood.  I do not eat squash, nor does my family too much, so I cannot tell you if it makes a yummy squash dish.  But my baby LOVES it, and it looks nice and creamy.
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: idelphic on November 24, 2009, 12:43:01 PM
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Please know that this sealer is not a replacement for anything that has been pressure canned. What food are you asking about resealing? If you open a pressure canned jar you must either eat what's in there or refrigerate it - you cannot safely reseal it. The Pump N Seal won't reseal something that has to be or is already pressure canned (that's asking for bad trouble - like botulism, etc.)  I use it for my preps such as 1/2 gallon jars of different kinds of exotic rice, beans, rye and spelt flours, brown sugar, - stuff I don't keep in larger bucket quantities. The seals have held for a long time - perhaps a couple of years or more. I sometimes have trouble sealing the flours as they tend to pull up into the seal.  I've found covering the top of the flour with wax paper takes care of the problem.  This sealer makes jars air tight against bugs and extends the food life.

No no no,... LOL  Not going to seal up something that should have been pressure canned or heated...  Have some new dry pasta, rice, beans, etc - that I'm looking to put in jars versus the paper box they came in.
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: TwoBluesMama on November 24, 2009, 01:35:00 PM
No no no,... LOL  Not going to seal up something that should have been pressure canned or heated...  Have some new dry pasta, rice, beans, etc - that I'm looking to put in jars versus the paper box they came in.

Phew! idephic you had me worried for a minute.  Definitely yes this little hand pump works great for sealing pasta, rice and beans and such in glass jars.  I'm not sure if your original question was if you could re-use a lid from something that had been pressure canned and use it with the Pump N Seal.  If this is correct my answer would be no. Usually when I open pressure canned foods the lids are so stinking tight that I have to use a bottle-opener on them to break the seal. Then they are bent and not resealable - also the rubber gasket on the lid's underside is pretty gone. EXCEPTIONS:  If I water bath canned jelly or such and the gasket looks really good I might use it for the pump n seal but not re-canning.  I do use spaghetti sauce jars, etc that have a lid lined with the rubber gasket if it looks to be in good shape.  I fill my jar and let it sit and then check it later to see if the seal held. And then periodically check them again just to be sure.  Good luck and let me know how it turns out for you. Blessings, TBM
 
my guess is that he is just talking about the seal.  you bottled beans, ate the beans, now have a pressure-canned used seal that cannot be re-used for canning.  At least, that is how I read the question and also is my question.
and just to verify, this Pump N Seal is electricity free, correct?
I dehydrated some winter squash.  it turned out like a thick fruit leather.  I then blended it into flour and am reconstituting for baby food.  It is working great for smooth, easy babyfood.  I do not eat squash, nor does my family too much, so I cannot tell you if it makes a yummy squash dish.  But my baby LOVES it, and it looks nice and creamy.

Yes this is a small hand pump no electricity needed which makes it easy to use. Hmm - squash flour - might be an idea to add in breads and such. Glad the baby likes it - truly a good for you food.  My dogs also love squash (and carrots, peas, green beans and BEETS! - go figure!) Blessings, TBM

Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: fratermus on January 09, 2010, 03:23:51 PM
Note that you can also make your own pump-n-save seals;  it's up to you whether its worth your time or not.   Yesterday I picked up one of those foodsaver rechargeable vacuums and used it on mason jars using home-made seals; it worked fine (http://muedemaus.blogspot.com/2010/01/freshsaver-homemade-with-tab-chek-style.html).

I've been using the Alvin method described above for the past year or so, putting the jars in foodsaver containers I already had and pumping out the air as LVS describes. I do not own a foodsaver sealer/vac.  Been trolling for one on eBay/craigslist/freecycle but nothing in my price range.
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: hd45hunt on January 13, 2010, 07:56:34 AM
Good links, I have been using the foodsaver for my dry storage vacuum needs.  I know I have a vacuum pump in the garage, I will just have to make sure there is no brake fluid on it ;D or grab another one.
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: The Infidel on January 17, 2010, 08:44:21 PM
I use the Kenmore select seal-n-save. It is exactly the same as the similar model Foodsaver, the parts are even interchangable. Also, it comes with the mason jar thing. No special lids needed, and it works great. Forgot to mention it's only 80 bucks as apposed to 140
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: Longsnowsm on February 01, 2010, 10:20:24 PM
Also on the foodsaver front you can get the lid adapter for both regular size lids and the large mouth lids so you can vacuum seal either type.

On the Alvin sealer I have had issues with this method.  The issue appears to be in leaks in the hoses or fittings.  I bought the brake bleeder and then attempted to use my foodsaver hose and lid.  I managed to get a few jars sealed but the hose or the fitting started leaking and I couldn't get the pressure back.  I tried the method described in the instructable and could not get a good seal that way either.  So now I need to look at a way to re-engineer a hose with a foodsaver fitting for the lid to address the air leaks.  When it does work it worked fine and I was thrilled.  Also I would avoid the Harbor Freight vacuum pump.  I purchased that first and it died on me right away.  Pretty poor quality.  So I bought a Mityvac and that seems to be a better quality unit that feels like it will hold up better.  Obviously YMMV. 

So I am still on a lookout for a possible no power option for vacuum sealing.  I saw someone mention reversing the valve in a tire hand pump, but I haven't tried that yet.  I did investigate the pump-n-seal, but I just don't have any confidence in tape seal holding up in a long term storage situation.  So I decided against that option.  I would like to hear if anyone has tried the pump-n-seal and hand something stored long term this way.  That would be good to know.   Thanks again.

Longsnowsm

Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: TwoBluesMama on February 02, 2010, 08:02:10 AM
.  I did investigate the pump-n-seal, but I just don't have any confidence in tape seal holding up in a long term storage situation.  So I decided against that option.  I would like to hear if anyone has tried the pump-n-seal and hand something stored long term this way.  That would be good to know.   Thanks again.

Longsnowsm


We've had stuff stored for years (at least 3 or 4 yrs.- some longer) with the pumpnseal and it still is sealed.  I tried to open something about a month ago without removing the tape and letting the pressure off and I could not get it open.  Finally dawned on me I had to pop the pressure to get the lid off.  So yes - it works for long term storage.  I would say as long as your jars do not get wet on the lids or you stack them roughly the tape on the top will hold.  It's more like a plastic duct tape so it's pretty durable. Blessings, TBM
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: fratermus on February 02, 2010, 08:31:19 PM
On the Alvin sealer I have had issues with this method.  The issue appears to be in leaks in the hoses or fittings.  I bought the brake bleeder and then attempted to use my foodsaver hose and lid.  I managed to get a few jars sealed but the hose or the fitting started leaking and I couldn't get the pressure back. 

I think I dorked my brake bleeder by pulling powder up into it.  Durr.   I was messing around with something fine like flour and it just went WHOOM.  I figure I wrcked a seal somewhere.
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: survivalprepdotnet on April 18, 2010, 04:23:37 AM
Wouldn't oxygen absorbers be a bit easier, at least for dry-canning for those of you who are dehydrating and then canning fruits, veggies and meats?
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: TNSurvivor on April 21, 2010, 12:07:43 PM
We use the large and small FoodSaver jar sealers.  They work great for us.  Powder substances in jars filled to high will get sucked up in the air and make for a bad seal if you aren't careful.  It doesn't seem to ruin the lids either so they can be reused over ond over.
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: steel on April 21, 2010, 01:28:33 PM
I've got both the pump-n-seal and a foodsaver vacuum sealer.  The pump-n-seal actually pulls a little stronger vacuum pressure than the foodsaver but the foodsaver is much better at sealing bags. 

I rigged a way to use the foodsaver mason jar sealer with the pump-n-seal.  Just had to get an adapter for the different size air hoses at Homedepot.  Works great.  Should be able to re-use to mason jar lids for actual canning if you are careful not to mess it up when you open the jar.

I have never tried the poke a hole in a jar lid and tape it down method of the pump-n-seal.  Not sure I would trust the tape to maintain a seal long term.  For short term storage it should work fine but I haven't tried it.  No reason to poke a hole and ruin a good mason jar lid for dry storage either. 

I've also tried vacuuming zip lock bags with the pump-n-seal.  It worked OK but 75% of my ziplock bags lost the seal over time so that method is a no-go for me.  That's a failure of the bags not the ump-n-seal.  I think I used cheap bags, maybe better ones would work?

Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: Fritz_H on April 30, 2010, 10:18:39 PM
WRT vacuum sealing powdery things - I've used the pump-n-seal and the foodsaver, both work.  I need to dredge out my old pump-n-seal to use in the travel trailer.  Put a clean coffee filter on top of powdery things to reduce the risk of them contaminating the seal - worked well for me.  Saw that in the manual or video for one of those two devices.
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: TwoBluesMama on May 01, 2010, 07:27:12 AM
Hi and welcome Fritz H.  Yep that's what I do although I use a piece of wax paper.  I still use my pump-n-seal a lot and it works good.  I never did buy the Food Saver attachment for jars. I've tried to find solutions for stuff that don't require using electricity.  Maybe that's why I loved canning so much too.  Blessings TBM
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: j13 on May 16, 2010, 10:16:39 AM
howdy
ive made my own vacuum "applicator" for mason jars, here's what i did

ring

lid - has (2) .250 pipe nuts on the end of a hydraulic hose which is attached to my welch vac pump

ring with a piece of coat hanger to act as a stop and to prevent the stack from sealing together and not      applying vacuum to the jar

i then applied epoxy to all seams except the one around the nuts and hydraulic hose - this makes the stack replaceable as well as the ability to re-use the hose (expensive part - about 10$)   

then the lid that's going to stay on the jar

the stack and lid is assembled loosely, this lets the air move through and out; the final seal is achieved with a piece of air tight and waterproof foam weatherstrip placed around the band and onto the stop on the neck of the jar...

I haven't used a gauge to determine how low the pressure is in the jar just yet, but it is in the plans...
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: TwoBluesMama on May 16, 2010, 08:08:36 PM
Hi and welcome j13 - thanks for the post although I'll have to tell you - I can hunt and help butcher, I can "can" food and dehydrate, I'm an artist and paint wall murals, I do bookkeeping and design flyers and brochures BUT I haven't the faintest idea of how to do what you said.  But I will show this to the dh and let him try it for me. Thanks for sharing - hope you enjoy the forum.  Blessings TBM
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: j13 on May 16, 2010, 11:11:04 PM
howdy
hopefuly i can clarify and de-obfuscate what i said earlier

i glued a lid into a ring after i drilled a hole in the lid. there wasnt enough space for the hose end and another lid so i glued another ring onto the first

i got inconsistant results - the lid was getting sucked against the hose end and was stopping the process so i cut a piece of coat hanger wire to fit. the next stumble was air getting around  the threads - thats when i got a piece of weatherstrip and bridged the gap between the rolled bottom of the ring and the jar.

any better? i'll be able to post pics after in a week or 2
j
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: idelphic on June 07, 2010, 05:57:35 PM
I think photos of constructing the device would help,..  Looking forward to seeing them.

Also,.. how much is the pump?
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: chrisdfw on June 09, 2010, 09:17:41 PM
I use the same hand vacuum pump that iI have used to draw a vacuum on an AC system or other automotive uses.

You can buy one at the auto parts store. Less than $40, several brands available.

Just remove the foodsaver fitting and put the hand pump connector on and it works well.

I will warn you it takes a long time to get a vacuum on an AC with a hand pump! (30 or more minutes of pumping
and you better have strong hands and good endurance) I don't recommend it.
A small jar is pretty easy by comparison.
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: HelenWheels on August 10, 2010, 11:50:36 AM
I need to make a trip to Harbor Freight to get one of these. I already have the Food Saver caps for regular and wide-mouth jars. Would be nice to have a non-electric option.
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: endpoint on August 10, 2010, 07:22:42 PM
Be aware that I've had great luck sealing up my dehydrated fruits and popcorn so far with this method but powdered milk failed for me.  I think the dust from the milk gets pulled up on to the rim and breaks the seal.  Only three out of eight jars stayed sealed.  I'm going to try it two more ways.  Once with more head space and again heating the lids to see if softening the rubber helps.  My failures did not happen immediately but definitely within a week.  I'm new to this so maybe this is already known.
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: TwoBluesMama on August 11, 2010, 04:28:07 PM
Be aware that I've had great luck sealing up my dehydrated fruits and popcorn so far with this method but powdered milk failed for me.  I think the dust from the milk gets pulled up on to the rim and breaks the seal.  Only three out of eight jars stayed sealed.  I'm going to try it two more ways.  Once with more head space and again heating the lids to see if softening the rubber helps.  My failures did not happen immediately but definitely within a week.  I'm new to this so maybe this is already known.

Hi Endpoint - you might try putting a piece of wax paper over the milk ( I do this for flour too) and it should work.  I use the Pump N Seal and it seems to hold fine. Let us know if heating this lids helps and also welcome to the forum.  Blessings,TBM
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: OC Celtic Lass on September 28, 2010, 01:44:25 PM
Awesome TwoBluesMamma! Thank you!
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: PeggyMD on March 27, 2011, 06:09:50 PM
There used to be a You Tube video on this procedure but it has been removed.  Get a canister set for your vacuum sealer.  The largest size jar will hold a quart size mason jar.   Fill your mason jar with the food, put on the lid and screw band and place it inside the largest plastic canister - which has a special lid for attaching to a tube that connects to the vacuum machine - A Food Saver -

http://www.amazon.com/FoodSaver-T02-0052-01-4-Quart-2-Quart-Canister/dp/B00005Q4OD/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1301270825&sr=8-1 (http://www.amazon.com/FoodSaver-T02-0052-01-4-Quart-2-Quart-Canister/dp/B00005Q4OD/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1301270825&sr=8-1)

Then run the vacuum procedure and the food will be vacuum packed inside the canning jar.  I store all my dehydrated food I prepared with my Excaliber dehydrator this way, plus beans and grains.   Then when you open the jar to take out some for use, I reseal it again for storage.
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: LvsChant on July 13, 2011, 01:12:56 PM
http://youtu.be/E552XSAXEdk

OK... I am tired of linking to the vid put on before about using the canister to seal glass jars... so I uploaded my own vid today. Hope this is helpful for you all...

LC
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: HelenWheels on July 13, 2011, 01:25:29 PM
YAY for LvsChant!
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: TxGal on April 02, 2012, 09:28:55 PM
You can use one of these (cost $20) with the tube and attachment for mason jars:

http://www.foodsaver.com/product.aspx?pid=8755

This is how it works:
http://www.salad-in-a-jar.com/salad-in-a-jar/yes-you-can-use-a-handheld-vacuum-pack-machine-to-seal-salad-in-a-jar

YMMV, I'm just sharing.  :D

Moving things around in the basement today, I wondered getting a new sealer so I can package dry items in jars (rice, pasta,..)

In talking with DW,.. she mentioned no interest in getting special - eXPENSIVE lids,.. I agree.

Is there a sealer that will use the normal mason jar lids but with a cold vacuum?

Edited: After posting, I realized the post was first made a couple of years ago.
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: TxGal on April 02, 2012, 09:32:13 PM
imstillworkin on youtube also shows how to make your own vacuum sealer for mason jars (dry storage)
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: LvsChant on April 04, 2012, 06:41:14 AM
Thanks TxGal for the link. I have one of those little handheld vac-sealers and never tried it with my lid attachment! +1
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: TxGal on April 04, 2012, 10:23:49 AM
Great video! +1

http://youtu.be/E552XSAXEdk

OK... I am tired of linking to the vid put on before about using the canister to seal glass jars... so I uploaded my own vid today. Hope this is helpful for you all...

LC
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: idelphic on April 04, 2012, 11:33:35 AM
You can use one of these (cost $20) with the tube and attachment for mason jars:

http://www.foodsaver.com/product.aspx?pid=8755

This is how it works:
http://www.salad-in-a-jar.com/salad-in-a-jar/yes-you-can-use-a-handheld-vacuum-pack-machine-to-seal-salad-in-a-jar

YMMV, I'm just sharing.  :D

Edited: After posting, I realized the post was first made a couple of years ago.
Nothing wrong with bring old threads back to the top.  I had forgotten that I was planning to work on the dry storage system,.. Good to be reminded of things still needing to be done.

The Redneck Vacuum Sealer was interesting..  Have to investigate that more.
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: Thunderhawkburner on October 30, 2012, 09:06:05 PM
Does anyone know if the Foodsaver canning jar attachment works over Tattler lids and rings?

TH
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: Welshrats on November 01, 2012, 11:00:44 AM
Does anyone know if the Foodsaver canning jar attachment works over Tattler lids and rings?

TH

Out of curiosity, I just sealed an empty wide mouth pint jar using my Foodsaver and a Tattler lid. The seal appears just as tight as a regular lid. I'll keep the jar around as a long term experiment to see if it leaks over time.

That being said, for me, normal canning lids are a better option. They are cheaper and will (presumably) last as long as the Tattlers when used for vacuum purposes.

I have normal metal lids that I use with a Pump N Seal which I've opened at least once a week for 4+ years. They show no sign of wear and I expect them to be viable for a long time.
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: Thunderhawk on November 08, 2012, 08:28:52 PM
Thanks!  I have been considering buying a lot of Tattler lids just because they are reusable. I'm glad to know they can be used for regular canning and vacuume sealing.

Th
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: Thox Spuddy on November 10, 2012, 09:46:41 PM
1st of all I use the Foodsaver@ apparatus for vac-sealing mason jars and it works well. Next, TwoBluesMama, your name starts with "two" and your icon has "two" dogs in it? What is with that? And finally if you want a low-tech method of vacuum sealing, take your goodies out into the international space station, take a space walk and in zero vacuum and just simply toss in your produce, and it might freeze dry too, and seal it up. Back to earth and you're done!!

I do stand behind the first sentence in this post, the rest is for your entertainment.
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: LizardGurl on May 14, 2013, 08:24:49 AM
I bought an Actron Automotive vacuum pump with the sole purpose being to use it for sealing dehydrated food.  I got the idea from an Amazon review of the Foodsaver.  It was less than half the cost of the Foodsaver.  The black hose that comes with it fits the Foodsaver accessory hose perfectly.  I use the Foodsaver Mason jar and canister accessories with it.  It's been working great for me.

I don't think you could do bags with this, but I don't like having plastic touching my food, so I wasn't ever going to do bags.

LG
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: Welshrats on June 04, 2013, 12:48:32 PM
Out of curiosity, I just sealed an empty wide mouth pint jar using my Foodsaver and a Tattler lid. The seal appears just as tight as a regular lid. I'll keep the jar around as a long term experiment to see if it leaks over time.

That being said, for me, normal canning lids are a better option. They are cheaper and will (presumably) last as long as the Tattlers when used for vacuum purposes.

I have normal metal lids that I use with a Pump N Seal which I've opened at least once a week for 4+ years. They show no sign of wear and I expect them to be viable for a long time.

Update:

I was going through some of my canning supplies this morning and I noticed some jars I'd sealed up in early November to test the viability of using Tattler lids for vacuum sealing. For the test, I vacuum sealed a dozen pint jars, 3 with standard canning lids and 9 with various incarnations of tattler lids, i.e. new wide mouth, previously used wide mouth, new standard and used standard mouth. After 7 months of storage only one Tattler still held vacuum while all three standard lids are held.

I love Tattler lids for canning applications and haven't had any problems with them holding their seal, but based on these results, I won't use them for vacuum sealing.
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: Stwood on February 02, 2016, 07:39:54 PM
Bumping a good thread
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: Redman on March 10, 2018, 04:26:50 AM
Interesting thread. I just ordered an inexpensive dehydrator. I probably got the cart in front of the horse  ::), I haven't really considered methods for long term storage of the dried product. Leaning toward the FoodSaver jar attachment and a hand held thing of some kind.
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: Stwood on March 10, 2018, 06:33:08 PM
Glad you bumped into this one Red.  ;D

Reminds me about the Actron Automotive vacuum pump that she posted above.
I been gonna ck that out.
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: Redman on March 11, 2018, 01:53:41 AM
Hmm, just looked that up. I have a Mityvac I bought about 30 odd years ago. Wonder if it still works. I think I know where it is too.
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: Redman on March 26, 2018, 04:20:27 AM
All righty here's a question. I was thinking a few days ago about the pile of used but not bent jar lids I have. I wondered if I boiled them would the indentation come out and the lids be useable for vacuum sealing. The indentation did come out completely on most of the dozen I tried. I know that they aren't recommended for reuse in water bath or pressure canning but what about vacuum sealing jars where the goal is not long term (years) storage. Has anyone done this, what are some thoughts on this?

Always looking to save some money. ::)
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: Stwood on March 26, 2018, 09:29:53 AM
After one of the  ladies mentioned using questionable lids like Walmarts Mainstay lids, and good used lids, we started saving all lids, then sort later on, and clean the black marker off of them.
We used a few last year when we vacuum packed dried apples in mason jars.
They are still indented/sealed.

The lids that are obviously bent, after we've used a pop bottle cap opener on them, we throw away.
Here lately, to save lid damage, I've been removing lids by placing both thumbs under the overhanging lip and push hard. Normally they come off. Pressure canned lids are tougher than say jelly jar lids.

I think saving lids is a good thing, and try to reuse them wherever.
I see used lids on Ebay ocassionally...... :rofl:  We could sell em there...... ::)
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: Redman on March 26, 2018, 09:59:32 AM
Yep I've been saving them if they aren't bent. I've only bent one. When a jar is empty and washed I put the lid on upside down and lightly put a band. Tells me the jar is not new but clean and I don't wash again before using it. I think I'll use some used lids on the dried fruit when I get the stuff to seal the jars. I've been pulling them off with my fingers. This morning I saw a YT vid of a guy using a cereal spoon upside down against the threads. Slide it around until it was against the thread and the lid then pry and slide until the lid came off. Can't find the vid now.
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: LvsChant on March 26, 2018, 04:32:01 PM
Yep I've been saving them if they aren't bent. I've only bent one. When a jar is empty and washed I put the lid on upside down and lightly put a band. Tells me the jar is not new but clean and I don't wash again before using it. I think I'll use some used lids on the dried fruit when I get the stuff to seal the jars. I've been pulling them off with my fingers. This morning I saw a YT vid of a guy using a cereal spoon upside down against the threads. Slide it around until it was against the thread and the lid then pry and slide until the lid came off. Can't find the vid now.

Using a spoon is my standard method for unsealing jars... I think my reason for that method is that it is how my grandma always did it :) I typically just feel the edges of the lid and find where the lid is standing out the farthest from the glass (the lid is usually not perfectly centered, so you'll find one side of the lid is often extending a little more than the other) and pull it off with a spoon from there... a sharp lift up with the spoon on the underside of the lid does the trick. and rarely is the lid damaged using that method.
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: Redman on March 29, 2018, 02:09:39 AM
My jar sealer adapter arrived yesterday and I tried it with my Mityvac automotive hand vacuum pump. I had thought the pump was leaking down but it wasn't. It took a fair amount of squeezing the handle but I was able to seal a lid on an empty jar. Kind of hard on my hands but doable.
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: Stwood on March 29, 2018, 09:16:44 AM
Glad it works for you.
Found my automotive vacuum pump. Mine is a plunger type, like a bicycle pump.
So it's going to take 2 bodies to run a mason vac operation.
One to run the pump with both hands, then one to hold the jar adapter down.
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: Billie D on March 30, 2018, 09:23:58 AM
I have a question...
In the earlier posts it asks about doing this for smaller storage of beans, rice, other dried goods etc.
I do this with oxygen absorbers and it works excellent! And, it lasts for years.
Just pour your product in, throw in an absorber, seal and wait for the "ping!".
I use canning jars, or any other jars that have a seal in them (spaghetti jars, etc.)
I get the absorbers at Winco for fairly cheap. 

Not knocking this way of sealing them at all, just wondering, what would be the advantage of vacuum sealing the jars?
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: Stwood on March 30, 2018, 09:46:51 AM

I do this with oxygen absorbers and it works excellent! And, it lasts for years.
Just pour your product in, throw in an absorber, seal and wait for the "ping!".
I use canning jars, or any other jars that have a seal in them (spaghetti jars, etc.)
I get the absorbers at Winco for fairly cheap. 




Cool. I just bought some absorbers. I may try this today.

Thanks
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: Redman on March 30, 2018, 09:54:12 AM
I have a question...
In the earlier posts it asks about doing this for smaller storage of beans, rice, other dried goods etc.
I do this with oxygen absorbers and it works excellent! And, it lasts for years.
Just pour your product in, throw in an absorber, seal and wait for the "ping!".
I use canning jars, or any other jars that have a seal in them (spaghetti jars, etc.)
I get the absorbers at Winco for fairly cheap. 

Not knocking this way of sealing them at all, just wondering, what would be the advantage of vacuum sealing the jars?

Hmm, I don't throw away commercial jars. Should be able to find O2 absorbers somewhere around Houston.
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: Stwood on March 30, 2018, 09:59:49 AM
Amazon. 10 bucks for a hundred I think
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: Redman on March 30, 2018, 10:03:59 AM
Yeah there is that.

I need to raid the smiley at The Den and save on my machine.  8)
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: LvsChant on March 30, 2018, 01:02:11 PM
I have a question...
In the earlier posts it asks about doing this for smaller storage of beans, rice, other dried goods etc.
I do this with oxygen absorbers and it works excellent! And, it lasts for years.
Just pour your product in, throw in an absorber, seal and wait for the "ping!".
I use canning jars, or any other jars that have a seal in them (spaghetti jars, etc.)
I get the absorbers at Winco for fairly cheap. 

Not knocking this way of sealing them at all, just wondering, what would be the advantage of vacuum sealing the jars?
I guess you could say it is the belt + suspenders idea...

I use both for things I plan to store for a long time...

For things I just plan to use within a year or so, I don't typically bother with the O2 absorber...  you could certainly skip the vacuum seal and just use an O2 absorber, too...
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: Stwood on March 30, 2018, 02:14:38 PM
Yeah there is that.

I need to raid the smiley at The Den and save on my machine.  8)


 :o
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: Redman on March 30, 2018, 06:12:15 PM

 :o

Really? I know that the guy running the Den raided another place for most of the smileys.
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: Redman on March 30, 2018, 06:15:45 PM
I guess you could say it is the belt + suspenders idea...

I use both for things I plan to store for a long time...

For things I just plan to use within a year or so, I don't typically bother with the O2 absorber...  you could certainly skip the vacuum seal and just use an O2 absorber, too...

Interesting post and idea LvsChant.
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: Stwood on March 30, 2018, 07:10:19 PM
Really? I know that the guy running the Den raided another place for most of the smileys.

Ayup. Lot's a raiding. I've raided some... :beer:
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: Redman on February 15, 2019, 09:30:17 AM
I opened one of my vacuum sealed chicken bouillon jar this morning. I tried to seal the same lid back on it but it never would seal. Guess they need the plastisol warmed and expanded again or just use a new lid. I didn't want to do either. I just put the old lug lid back on it. I probably won't bother with sealing chicken bouillon again but the beef and tomato bouillon I probably will since I don't use it very quickly.
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: Stwood on February 15, 2019, 10:40:21 AM
What size lug lid is it Red
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: Redman on February 15, 2019, 04:47:59 PM
Regular mouth size lid. Something was not happening correctly. Later I took a used lid and sealed it to a pint canning jar. Something I didn't do right. I had a lid sealed to this jar but it wouldn't re-seal nor would another used lid.
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: Redman on February 16, 2019, 08:25:16 AM
Used some powdered eggs this morning. Sealed the same lid back to the jar no problems. The jar yesterday was a 32 oz. Mt. Olive pepperoncini jar, regular mouth size. Got struck by a dose of stupid I guess.
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: Stwood on February 16, 2019, 08:33:59 AM
Our eggs look ok in the jar. Haven't tried any yet.
We did a pint and a half last year
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: Redman on February 16, 2019, 08:43:34 AM
With what I get tomorrow that will give me 6 dz. in the frig. Free or way cheap. Probably eat some fresh but most will get dehydrated. 2 1/2 pints on the shelf now. This and powdered milk are making pancakes and quick breads easy for me now.
Title: Re: Vacuum Seal Mason jars W/O special lids
Post by: Stwood on February 16, 2019, 08:48:52 AM
 8) 8)