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good bolt action rifle (im in austraila its all i can get)
« on: April 23, 2015, 04:48:05 PM »
hi I am looking at getting my first rifle but being in Australia and our government pulled a false flag on us in the 90s and took our gun rights  >:(

so I a can get either a bolt action or lever action I will get more then one but what are some ones to look at ?

We have lots to hunt around my place from rabbits, foxes, roos to pigs and deer so I was looking for something of an all rounder to start with.

Thanks Michael   

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Re: good bolt action rifle (im in austraila its all i can get)
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2015, 04:58:59 PM »
my unprofessional opinion would be to get a .357 lever action, that way you can use .38 to hunt small game and .357 to hunt deer. But I am in no sense an expert and will probably get my ears chewed off ;)

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Re: good bolt action rifle (im in austraila its all i can get)
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2015, 05:33:14 PM »
I prefer a lever action over a bolt gun any day. I really like my Henry.

http://www.henryrifles.com/rifles/45-70-lever-action/

I plan to get this one for small game when the Hammer of Thor is not required.

http://www.henryrifles.com/rifles/varmint-express-17-hmr-rifle/

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Re: good bolt action rifle (im in austraila its all i can get)
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2015, 06:41:42 PM »
What kind of distance for you shots. Over 200 yards I would look at the 270. Under a 100 yards, a 30/30. What really maters most now days is what ammo can you get there. The Mark 1 303 is a very nice gun. Are pumps legal? Can you hand load? Any center fire 22 for the small stuff and most 6.5mm and bigger for the big stuff will work.

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Re: good bolt action rifle (im in austraila its all i can get)
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2015, 06:42:27 PM »
My opinion if it was me..

I love lever action, so I'd get a .22 and .30 or .35.

Are shotguns available to you?


Speaking of the hammer of Thor, I once shot a partridge with a Winchester lever action 30-30...
I know.... WTF did you do that for and why? I was deer hunting and not getting any results..the bird landed on a branch so... I took the shot and hit the bird square, I found a few features left to stick in my hat.


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Re: good bolt action rifle (im in austraila its all i can get)
« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2015, 08:21:14 PM »
With the restrictions in Australia, and the game you have, I would check into a bolt action rifle in .223. 

The Mossberg patrol rifle or the Ruger GSR would offer adequate power and range for most uses you specify as well as offering larger magazine capacity, easy optic attachment, good triggers and excellent accuracy.

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Re: good bolt action rifle (im in austraila its all i can get)
« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2015, 09:03:11 PM »
I really like lever action 30.30's
It's plenty of gun to take hogs, and deer out to 200 meters or so.
A .22 would be a better choice for rabbits and squirrels.


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Re: good bolt action rifle (im in austraila its all i can get)
« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2015, 09:04:35 PM »
A Browning BLR will get you a lever gun capable of handling a true bolt action round. I'd love one in .308.

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Re: good bolt action rifle (im in austraila its all i can get)
« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2015, 11:55:49 PM »
All a rounders are difficult. Anything that works well on big game tends to be messy on small game. The 357 lever action previously mentioned is a decent possibility, a little light on the big end, a little heavy for the small end, but capable if kept conservative.

Much depends on what type of deer you may hunt. In the US, we think of our deer when answering this question, but the deer of Australia are much different. What deer are in your area?

Red deer are almost the size of our elk, and I would not use a 357 for hunting them, were as fallow deer are a lot like our whitetails, and the 357 can work at conservative ranges and with the right bullets.

I prefer lever actions over bolt guns, But I don't find a single cartridge I like when thinking of all Australian hunting possibilities. I would get a pistol caliber lever action, and cut my hunting teeth on smaller game, then down the road I would pick up a heavier lever action for big game if ranges are short, like 150m or less, or a bolt gun if ranges are much longer.

For a red deer and a lever action, just take your pick of 405 winchester, 444 marlin, 45-70, or 450 marlin.

If I were to go to AUS to hunt everything with leverguns, I would take a Rossi carbine in 45 colt, and my marlin guide gun 45-70. Cowbaoy action level loads for small rabbit type stuff, full power and +p loads for the middle ground, then switch to 45-70 for deer and ending with 45-70+p loads for buffalo.

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Re: good bolt action rifle (im in austraila its all i can get)
« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2015, 12:58:36 AM »
I know an Australian firearms owner who uses them for hunting, target shooting and jackleg self-defense (less than ideal when you cant keep them loaded and ammo stored separately).  His go to for pigs and self-defense is a lever action 30-30.  He also owns a bolt gun for the target shooting angle and larger game.

He is seriously considering a Ruger Gunsite Scout Rifle as an all around gun.  The caliber would allow larger game and it is nearly as light and short as a lever gun. 


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Re: good bolt action rifle (im in austraila its all i can get)
« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2015, 06:48:16 AM »
my unprofessional opinion would be to get a .357 lever action, that way you can use .38 to hunt small game and .357 to hunt deer. But I am in no sense an expert and will probably get my ears chewed off ;)

This will allow a light weight answer for rabbits to large game ,such as roos and deer.The ammunition costs are often much lower than rifle ammunition. I have 2 stainless steel 357 leaver guns and have used then for game and just plain fun for years.

The 357 carbine will equal the power of the 223 out to 200 yards ,but is only about half the energy of the 30-30  that is also a favorite of mine ..as mentioned even very large game will not be out of reach with a 444 Marlin or 45-70 leaver gun though recoil can be a bit more than some find comfortable. A good ,in between choice would be the 44 special/44 magnum leaver gun with nearly the same power as 30-30 BUT the really large hole it makes tends at anchor game animals faster than 30-30 ,in my experience.

Still ,it is hard to beat the 38/357 for a versatile combination.
« Last Edit: April 24, 2015, 06:58:40 AM by Carl »

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Re: good bolt action rifle (im in austraila its all i can get)
« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2015, 07:20:58 AM »
I'm a big fan of the Mosin Nagant, if you can get it.
It's not a one-size-fits-all gun, but its simple and rugged, it'll put down most anything, and they're cheap here anyway.

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Re: good bolt action rifle (im in austraila its all i can get)
« Reply #12 on: April 24, 2015, 07:36:04 AM »
I plan to get this one for small game when the Hammer of Thor is not required.

http://www.henryrifles.com/rifles/varmint-express-17-hmr-rifle/

A Browning BLR will get you a lever gun capable of handling a true bolt action round. I'd love one in .308

^^^^ The two best suggestions in a lever action to date and certainly the best calibers for the game mentioned in your OP [you don't want a single all-around rifle].  I personally prefer bolt action, but I own the BLR in .308 (my wife's deer gun) and it's proven to be a great firearm.

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Re: good bolt action rifle (im in austraila its all i can get)
« Reply #13 on: April 24, 2015, 08:06:45 AM »
I'm a big fan of the Mosin Nagant, if you can get it.
It's not a one-size-fits-all gun, but its simple and rugged, it'll put down most anything, and they're cheap here anyway.
When you can only afford one rifle, the right choice is two Mosin-Nagants. :P

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Re: good bolt action rifle (im in austraila its all i can get)
« Reply #14 on: April 24, 2015, 08:09:44 AM »
When you can only afford one rifle, the right choice is two Mosin-Nagants. :P

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« Reply #15 on: April 24, 2015, 08:20:07 AM »
When you can only afford one rifle, the right choice is two Mosin-Nagants. :P

That's brilliant.  :rofl:

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Re: good bolt action rifle (im in austraila its all i can get)
« Reply #16 on: April 24, 2015, 08:59:56 AM »
A Ruger Gunsite Scout in either AUS (Export) version or the US version for around $1300-1500 AUD at most gunstores. I have seen excellent second hand AUS versions for around just under $1000.

I would check out your local store or online...

http://www.ozgunsales.com/searchresults.php?searchtext=ruger
https://www.cleaverfirearms.com/Products.aspx?Category=Rifles&Brand=56

Prices seem to have increased recently probably due to a lower AUD and popularity.

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Re: good bolt action rifle (im in austraila its all i can get)
« Reply #17 on: April 24, 2015, 10:03:24 AM »
I am starting to think about a pistol caliber lever gun.

I really like this one.

http://www.henryrifles.com/rifles/henry-big-boy-steel/

.44mag of course. Also available in .357 and .45 Colt.

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Re: good bolt action rifle (im in austraila its all i can get)
« Reply #18 on: April 24, 2015, 03:45:20 PM »
A few years back, I was listening to a podcast by this redneck guy on his way to work in the morning. He said some interesting things about his .44 Marlin lever gun that caught my attention. I got one soon after that and it has turned out to be nothing less than pure joy to handle and shoot.

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Re: good bolt action rifle (im in austraila its all i can get)
« Reply #19 on: April 28, 2015, 03:51:12 AM »
Thanks heaps everyone I'll have a look into them and see how much for what.

Thanks heaps for the help everyone.

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« Reply #20 on: November 06, 2015, 07:20:31 AM »
Thanks heaps everyone I'll have a look into them and see how much for what.

Thanks heaps for the help everyone.

Mate I'm not sure how your going in your "gun hunt".  Check out this site. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-orQ6r8c4qrDpKNLWaox-A

There are some great firearms reviews (Aussie specific) for everything from Cat D (AR-15) through to Cat A/B (Bolt guns).

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Re: good bolt action rifle (im in austraila its all i can get)
« Reply #21 on: November 07, 2015, 12:56:25 AM »
First gun to cover both small and medium game?
Assuming that you can reload, I'd look at a 243 bolt action with a 2x-8x variable scope.

Normal loads are quite adequate for our American White Tail Deer, and loaded down with bullets designed for the 22 hornet could duplicate 22WMR for rabbits an such.

For me, this would cover both needs very well.

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Re: good bolt action rifle (im in austraila its all i can get)
« Reply #22 on: November 07, 2015, 07:22:52 AM »
  OK I'm confused. The Hornet uses .224 bullets and the 243 uses .243 bullets. I do know that they make some very light bullets for the 243. They are designed for varmints, but would they leave any meat even at low velocities. Of course cast bullets would work.
   Speaking of which, what does Roo meat taste like?  Grin

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Re: good bolt action rifle (im in austraila its all i can get)
« Reply #23 on: November 07, 2015, 07:48:21 AM »
  OK I'm confused. The Hornet uses .224 bullets and the 243 uses .243 bullets. I do know that they make some very light bullets for the 243. They are designed for varmints, but would they leave any meat even at low velocities. Of course cast bullets would work.
   Speaking of which, what does Roo meat taste like?  Grin

Kinda' like possum..

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« Reply #24 on: November 09, 2015, 09:15:38 PM »
  OK I'm confused. The Hornet uses .224 bullets and the 243 uses .243 bullets. I do know that they make some very light bullets for the 243. They are designed for varmints, but would they leave any meat even at low velocities. Of course cast bullets would work.
   Speaking of which, what does Roo meat taste like?  Grin

OOOOPS!!
Typo...
I meant 223 Remington not the 243 Winchester...

Sorry,

Steve

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Re: good bolt action rifle (im in austraila its all i can get)
« Reply #25 on: November 11, 2015, 04:13:57 PM »
Winchester Model 70 is an excellent accurate sportsman's rifle and comes in a variety of calibers, sounds like you would want to look at .270 and up maybe. I like .308 or .30-06 myself.

I also have a .303 Enfield that I like, though I haven't gotten my groups too tight with it yet.

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« Reply #26 on: November 11, 2015, 05:35:25 PM »
I really want a BLR takedown 30-06, but quite a bit too much for small game, the 38/357 might be a decent compromise but there is no all around good for everything rifle

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« Reply #27 on: November 12, 2015, 01:23:04 PM »
  My 260 Rem comes close with hand loads. If I could only hunt with one gun and ammo was not a concern then I would grab my 260 Rem. Model 7, any bullet weight and MR3100 powder. Four different bullet weights will print under an inch. ( But no factory loads )

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« Reply #28 on: November 12, 2015, 01:53:07 PM »
What about a single shot like a Thompson Center?  My buddy has a pistol version with a few different barrels.  Seems like a pretty good option although not the best for self defense.