Author Topic: Copyright lawsuits, and posting of copyrighted articles (merged topics)  (Read 612 times)

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Re: Copyright Lawsuits!
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2010, 12:34:49 AM »
What a bottom-feeding parasite.  It's the web - I see nothing wrong with posting a newspaper's article as long as you have a direct link back to their original posting.  That is what the internet is all about.  Link-link-link.

This is reminiscent of the parasites that use software patents and try to patent such programming basics as a shopping cart button or a process of clicking on an item and putting in in a cart - that sort of basics and then sue web sites who use the programming basics that they wrongly were allowed to patent.

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Re: Copyright Lawsuits!
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2010, 02:22:09 AM »
Kudos to this guy for finding a way to suck money out of the system and produce nothing while doing it, without being a govt employee. 

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Re: Copyright Lawsuits!
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2010, 09:10:24 AM »
...It's the web - I see nothing wrong with posting a newspaper's article as long as you have a direct link back to their original posting.  That is what the internet is all about.  Link-link-link. ...

The courts see it differently.

If you want lots and lots of detail on "Fair Use" as a legal concept, check out this Wikipedia article.

Basically, if you post the "heart" of an article -- enough so that people don't really need to go read the original -- this isn't "Fair Use".  Doesn't matter whether you include a link or give credit.

Just FYI, the moderators are aware of this issue, and we may have a formal policy in a few weeks.

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ATTENTION!!! NEW SCAM BY LAWYERS!!! THIS COULD AFFECT YOU!!!
« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2010, 10:37:08 PM »
I am posting this entire post by Ron Hood over on his site.  The info checks out and could affect this board.  Mods, if this is duplicated elsewhere please delete or move as appropriate.

http://www.hoodswoods.net/IVB/index.php?showtopic=41300&st=0

OK folks, I need your help. The suck asses are at it again.

bottom feeding lawyers are going after sites and blogs that have articles pasted into them from newspapers and magazines. They buy the copyright for the articles then sue the sites that have the articles.
I found out about this from a Hoodlum who has a friend at work whose wife is being sued because of a quote on her blog. It looks as if they are targeting primarily the political right.

http://www.righthavenlawsuits.com/ has some information as well as
http://www.lasvegass...-fighting-back/

What this means to you is that you can post a part of an article, first sentence or so under fair use and then just post the link. If you see any articles quoted in their entirety please contact a mod so we can edit them. I also need help getting the word out to the rest of the Hoodlums. I'm hammered at the moment so I need this post copied and posted wherever and spread around at other sites. We will think of a counter strike once we straighten up our own house.

Ron

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Re: ATTENTION!!! NEW SCAM BY LAWYERS!!! THIS COULD AFFECT YOU!!!
« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2010, 11:04:23 PM »
We know about it.  TW & I work as mods over at Hoods Woods as well.  We're working on a solution to it here at TSP now.  :)  Thank you so much for telling us, though!  Means a lot that you care enough to post it here.

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Re: ATTENTION!!! NEW SCAM BY LAWYERS!!! THIS COULD AFFECT YOU!!!
« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2010, 11:18:36 PM »
Actually, I was shocked it hadnt already spread over here virally.  Based on a hasty threat assessment it is simply to high on the impact scale not to take every necessary precaution.

Hey, its a fundamental rule that you defend your home...and this place is a close second!

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Re: ATTENTION!!! NEW SCAM BY LAWYERS!!! THIS COULD AFFECT YOU!!!
« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2010, 11:24:36 PM »
One of our mods alerted us to it in our "moderator area" about a month ago.  I've been too slammed with trying to get the magazine out, and keeping the gear shop above water, and trying to get new products into the shop to do anything about it as of yet.  I intend to call Jack about it (and work toward getting protection against it) tomorrow.

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Re: ATTENTION!!! NEW SCAM BY LAWYERS!!! THIS COULD AFFECT YOU!!!
« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2010, 05:44:53 AM »
Just so other TSP participants know the deal:

http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/article-30100.html

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"Uses That Are Generally Fair Uses

Subject to some general limitations discussed later in this article, the following types of uses are usually deemed fair uses:

    * Criticism and comment -- for example, quoting or excerpting a work in a review or criticism for purposes of illustration or comment.

    * News reporting -- for example, summarizing an address or article, with brief quotations, in a news report.

    * Research and scholarship -- for example, quoting a short passage in a scholarly, scientific, or technical work for illustration or clarification of the author's observations.

    * Nonprofit educational uses -- for example, photocopying of limited portions of written works by teachers for classroom use.

    * Parody -- that is, a work that ridicules another, usually well-known, work by imitating it in a comic way."

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Re: ATTENTION!!! NEW SCAM BY LAWYERS!!! THIS COULD AFFECT YOU!!!
« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2010, 06:22:39 AM »
I hadn't heard of lawyers directly buying up stuff to copyright troll, but AP's *official* policy is that more than 5 words quoted from one of their stories without permission (read payment) will cause them to lawyer up.  Obviously, they can't do it to the whole interwebs, but they, like the record companies, have a tendency to sue random monkeys in an effort to induce compliance through fear of getting sued.

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Re: ATTENTION!!! NEW SCAM BY LAWYERS!!! THIS COULD AFFECT YOU!!!
« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2010, 01:12:44 PM »
good information for all forum members to know. Please don't violate "Fair Use" when quoting information from other sources...

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Re: Copyright lawsuits, and posting of copyrighted articles (merged topics)
« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2010, 09:30:03 AM »
Okay, folks, the moderators/admins have been working on this Fair Use issue behind your backs. ;)

We're dealing with the problem on several fronts, but here's the part that affects all of you:

We don't want to be a target for copyright lawyers.  So we need for all quoted material to be compliant with Fair Use.  Please help us on this -- because if you don't, then we've got to go edit your posts, and we'll probably do a meat-axe job of it.

Fair Use is widely misunderstood.  Not meaning to pick on QuiltingB, but let me quote:

...It's the web - I see nothing wrong with posting a newspaper's article as long as you have a direct link back to their original posting.  That is what the internet is all about.  Link-link-link. ...

This is what most people seem to think, and it is completely incorrect.

Fair Use is a legal doctrine that evolved out of US common law, and was later incorporated into the Copyright Act of 1976 using rather vague language.  Court cases have slowly established the boundaries of Fair Use.  For a whole lot of details, please see this Wikipedia article.

How does this affect posting copyrighted material on the forum?  Unfortunately we don't have any copyright legal experts among the mods/admins, but this is how we understand it:

Unless you are the copyright owner or have written permission, you may not post an entire article, nor may you post the "heart" of an article (the most important bits).  You can't get around this just by giving credit or posting a link.

There are some exceptions.  For example, you can quote copyrighted material for the purpose of criticizing it.  Also, you can always post the facts from an article in your own words, since facts cannot be copyrighted.

Note that essentially everything is copyrighted nowadays, from the moment it is created.  It doesn't matter that you can't find a (c) symbol, or that the material can be viewed for free -- it's still covered by copyright law.

If you are posting copyrighted material with permission -- e.g., you own the copyright, or the author has clearly given permission for copying -- please note this fact in large friendly letters that even a moderator can see. ;)

Please help us to not be a lawyer's target -- make sure your posted material is consistent with Fair Use principles!

Thanks. :)

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Re: Copyright lawsuits, and posting of copyrighted articles (merged topics)
« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2010, 07:07:49 PM »
ADDENDUM:  Please remember that Fair Use applies to all copyrighted material.  This includes newsletters that you receive by mail or e-mail (such as STRATFOR).

Unless the copyright owner has clearly given permission for reprinting, please post no more than a short Fair Use excerpt (or rewrite the information in your own words).



Here are some examples of material that you can repost legally (to the best of our limited knowledge!):

Info from the government (laws, regulations, IRS instructions, official news releases).

Anything which is obviously a press release or advertisement, and intended for distribution.

Material containing a notice (e.g. a Creative Commons license) that allows reprinting (for example, Wikipedia articles).  Make sure you comply with the license requirements (for example, by including a link to the Wikipedia page you're borrowing from).

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Re: Copyright lawsuits, and posting of copyrighted articles (merged topics)
« Reply #13 on: September 12, 2010, 03:32:18 AM »
The first forum I was ever on and a part owner and one of mods for was way back in '95. Yeah they did have forums even back then  :P. Anyway on to my point, 2 of the founding members were published authors and one owned a smallish publishing company so copyright was something we discussed and set up rules for and stuck to them. A lot of the posts here made me antsy before the "big cleaning" and I'm really glad that our home is safer.

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Re: Copyright lawsuits, and posting of copyrighted articles (merged topics)
« Reply #14 on: September 17, 2010, 05:38:15 PM »
One of the local papers started suing everybody and their mother over this so I cancelled my subscription and stopped reading the online edition too.