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Title: The Cancel Culture
Post by: Carver on June 13, 2020, 10:03:01 AM
Taylor Swift Demands ‘Ending Cycle of Hate’ by Removing Statues of Democrats
https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2020/06/12/taylor-swift-demands-ending-cycle-of-hate-by-removing-statues-of-democrats/ (https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2020/06/12/taylor-swift-demands-ending-cycle-of-hate-by-removing-statues-of-democrats/)
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: Carver on June 13, 2020, 10:04:30 AM
John Cleese just tweeted out this video saying it was hard to tell if he recorded it 30 years ago or 10 minutes ago

https://youtu.be/HLNhPMQnWu4 (https://youtu.be/HLNhPMQnWu4)

Now BLM and ANTIFA is trying to get him cancelled on social media for hate speech. No moderate voices are to be allowed.  They can riot and loot, but noone else can even discuss issues. 

This is massively multiplied on the police who, starting late last year, aren't even allowed to report to public what is happening.  This authoritarians on both right and left are pushing this silencing   Example:

https://www.cbs7.com/content/news/Holiday-week-full-of-unbelievable-violence-in-Odessa-City---565757981.html (https://www.cbs7.com/content/news/Holiday-week-full-of-unbelievable-violence-in-Odessa-City---565757981.html)
Holiday week full of "unbelievable" violent crime in Odessa; City withholding important information on cases from public

Odessa Police Department Chief Michael Gerke said the number of violent crimes throughout the Permian Basin is concerning, while Ector County Sheriff Mike Griffis said it’s “unbelievable” what is happening.

What should also be of concern to all Odessans is not just the rise in violent crime but also what appears to be City of Odessa officials stalling on releasing important information about all crime. The city recently made changes to the way information on crime is released — changes that FOI state officials say violate the public information act and that one official called “inexcusable.”
..
“Clearly Odessans want to know about the crimes going on in this city and their neighborhoods,” Dennis said. “It’s not just about the media. This is about basic information about crime going on here and the city using our own tax dollars to fund fighting the release of information that is clearly public.”

Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: iam4liberty on June 13, 2020, 10:16:13 AM
They are doing everything they can to paint him ad a racist.  It isnt going to work.The backlash is going to be huge.

https://globalnews.ca/news/7059378/george-floyd-john-cleese-bbc-fawlty-towers-racist-comments/ (https://globalnews.ca/news/7059378/george-floyd-john-cleese-bbc-fawlty-towers-racist-comments/)
John Cleese criticizes BBC removal of ‘Fawlty Towers’ episode due to racial slurs

Following the BBC‘s recent decision to remove a single episode of the mid-1970s British sitcom Fawlty Towers from its UKTV streaming service, John Cleese — star and creator of the popular TV series — has criticized the British broadcasting network.


The episode in question, The Germans, originally aired in 1975 and heard a number of racist remarks from the recurring and elderly character Major Gowen, who used multiple slurs to describe both the West Indies and India cricket teams.

The decision was made in light of the ongoing anti-racism and anti-police brutality protests sparked by the killing of George Floyd last month, according to The Associated Press (AP).
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In response to the BBC’s “stupid” decision, Cleese, 80, defended the Fawlty Towers episode by saying that the show was not “supporting” racists by using the offensive remarks, but was critiquing racists instead.
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The Monty Python star described Gowen, played by Ballard Blascheck, as “an old fossil left over from decades before” in an interview with Australian news outlet the Age on Friday, before expressing disappointment with the BBC and UKTV.

“We were not supporting (Gowen’s) views, we were making fun of them,” said Cleese. “If they can’t see that, if people are too stupid to see that, what can one say?”
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Cleese was also critical of the BBC for attempting to cover its history by removing “problematic” content from its back-catalogue in wake of the protests.

“The Greeks in 500 BC felt that culture, or any kind of real civilization, was only possible because of slavery,” the actor said. “Does that mean we should take down all the statues of Socrates?

“Do you say we shouldn’t be looking at Caravaggio’s paintings because he once murdered someone?”
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The BBC’s removal of The Germans from UKTV follows HBO‘s decision to temporarily remove the 1939 Civil War epic Gone With The Wind from its own streaming service, HBO Max, as a result of its “racial depictions.”

Additionally, the BBC has withdrawn its popular sketch show Little Britain because “times have changed” since the comedy first aired in the early 2000s.

Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: Carver on June 13, 2020, 11:27:40 AM
Rolling Stone writer says Olivia Benson of 'Law & Order' should be 'canceled too'
https://www.foxnews.com/media/rolling-stone-magazine-olivia-benson-law-order-canceled (https://www.foxnews.com/media/rolling-stone-magazine-olivia-benson-law-order-canceled)
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"No matter how much you love Olivia Benson, you have to be willing to grapple with the fact that she plays a major role in perpetuating the idea that cops are inherently trustworthy and heroic, and that many viewers are unable to distinguish between the gossamer fantasy of how justice should be handled, and how it actually is."
"Cops" and "Live PD" weren't the only targets. The popular Nickelodeon children's cartoon "Paw Patrol" was not spared of criticism since its lead pup, Chase, is a police dog.

A Washington Post piece recently pleaded to Hollywood that it stop all production of police-inspired TV shows and films.


Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: iam4liberty on June 13, 2020, 12:23:36 PM
Fake antifacists deface statue of real antifascist. Everyone should remember that Antifa was formed in Germany to fight the National Socialists not because they felt Hitler was too radical but because they felt he wasnt radical enough. They wanted more death, more destruction, and more genocide. Now they are in the UK and US.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8398117/Black-Lives-Matter-protests-Volunteers-scrub-Churchill-racist-graffiti-statue.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8398117/Black-Lives-Matter-protests-Volunteers-scrub-Churchill-racist-graffiti-statue.html)
'It just felt like the right thing to do': Warehouse worker tells how he joined four Army cadet volunteers to scrub off 'Churchill was a racist' graffiti after his statue was defaced by an angry mob of Black Lives Matter protesters

Men scrubbed graffiti off the statue following Black Lives Matter protests at Parliament Square yesterday
Phrase 'was racist' had been added in spray paint, leaving monument reading: 'Churchill was a racist'
One volunteer joined in with clean up and went there because it 'just felt like it was the right thing to do'
Volunteers only stopped and left when a professional cleaner - remarkably called Winston - also turned up
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: Carver on June 13, 2020, 01:35:13 PM
Opinion: We could have had meaningful change, but instead we went after Paw Patrol
https://disrn.com/opinion/opinion-we-could-have-had-meaningful-change-but-instead-we-went-after-paw-patrol-and-cracker-barrel (https://disrn.com/opinion/opinion-we-could-have-had-meaningful-change-but-instead-we-went-after-paw-patrol-and-cracker-barrel)
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There are real solutions that we could find, like the ones I wrote about here. But instead, those things are drown out by absurd demands to cancel Paw Patrol…
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: iam4liberty on June 13, 2020, 02:33:38 PM
If only this were satire...

https://babylonbee.com/news/antifa-member-lectures-d-day-veteran-on-how-to-fight-fascism (https://babylonbee.com/news/antifa-member-lectures-d-day-veteran-on-how-to-fight-fascism)
Antifa Member Lectures D-Day Veteran On How To Fight Fascism

(https://babylonbee.com/img/articles/article-6324-2.jpg)
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: Mintbird on June 13, 2020, 03:01:06 PM
Actually, the Babylonbee is a satirical site  :)
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: iam4liberty on June 13, 2020, 03:21:55 PM
Actually, the Babylonbee is a satirical site  :)

Are you sure?  I used to think so too.  But now....   ;)
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: Carver on June 13, 2020, 06:46:51 PM
This company is daring to defend police amid cancel culture
Egard Watches defends police, calls for others to 'speak truth' in new ad

https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/watch-advertisement-police-cancel-culture (https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/watch-advertisement-police-cancel-culture)
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“At a time when we should be humanizing each other... we are vilifying each other,” Srulovicz wrote. “At a time when we should be unified with each other... we are segregating each other. Our great country is at a time of crisis and yet we are frozen with fear to even express ourselves.”
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: Carver on June 13, 2020, 08:40:27 PM
No cancel here:
Starbucks Reverses Course, Will Let Employees Wear Black Lives Matter Apparel
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In a series of tweets, Starbucks said its employees “told us that they need a way to express themselves at work and we heard them.”
https://wccoradio.radio.com/articles/radiocom/starbucks-reverses-course-will-let-workers-wear-blm-apparel (https://wccoradio.radio.com/articles/radiocom/starbucks-reverses-course-will-let-workers-wear-blm-apparel)

Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: Carver on June 14, 2020, 08:06:32 AM
HBO Max has pulled ‘Gone With the Wind’ from its service in order to fight racism and, frankly my dear, I DO give a damn!
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/491460-hbo-gone-with-wind-racism/ (https://www.rt.com/op-ed/491460-hbo-gone-with-wind-racism/)
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Gone With the Wind, which is based on the novel of the same name by Margaret Mitchell, won 10 Academy Awards, including, ironically enough, the first ever for an African American, Hattie McDaniel, for Best Supporting Actress. The movie is also the highest grossing film of all time (adjusted for inflation) and is widely considered to be one of the greatest films of all time.
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: Morning Sunshine on June 14, 2020, 08:56:17 AM
HBO Max has pulled ‘Gone With the Wind’ from its service in order to fight racism and, frankly my dear, I DO give a damn!
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/491460-hbo-gone-with-wind-racism/ (https://www.rt.com/op-ed/491460-hbo-gone-with-wind-racism/)

yeah, but the other day it occupied the 5/6 top selling slots at Amazon (Paw Patrol, another "cancel culture" victim held place #5), so most people do not agree with GWTW being cancelled.

https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/06/no-hbo-max-consumers-push-gone-with-the-wind-to-the-top-spot-on-amazon-prime/
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: Greekman on June 14, 2020, 10:08:37 AM
this thing seems to me more and more like "burning books"
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: Morning Sunshine on June 14, 2020, 12:05:45 PM
this thing seems to me more and more like "burning books"

you too, huh?
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: Carver on June 14, 2020, 12:51:54 PM
this thing seems to me more and more like "burning books"
This is beyond book burning, the mere removal of disapproved media, culture. This Cancel Culture also requires you say something, if not, you are complicit.

White silence on social media: Why not saying anything is actually saying a lot

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/white-silence-on-social-media-why-not-saying-anything-is-actually-saying-a-lot/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/white-silence-on-social-media-why-not-saying-anything-is-actually-saying-a-lot/)
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Rachel Lindsay, who famously broke barriers as the first black Bachelorette, said she is taking note of which white friends and public figures have gone silent.
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: iam4liberty on June 14, 2020, 03:12:30 PM
It's like every book from high school rolled into one: 1984, To Kill a Mockingbird, Fahrenheit 451, Lord of the Flys, A Clockwork Orange.  I expect Atlas Shrugged to come about any moment now.
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: iam4liberty on June 14, 2020, 05:39:21 PM
Uh oh.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/french-president-macron-colonial-era-statues-history.amp (https://www.foxnews.com/world/french-president-macron-colonial-era-statues-history.amp)
French President Macron refuses to 'erase' history by removing colonial-era statues

And John Cleese won.

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/5696809/fawlty-towers-dont-mention-the-war-reinstated-uktv/amp/ (https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/5696809/fawlty-towers-dont-mention-the-war-reinstated-uktv/amp/)
Fawlty Towers ‘don’t mention the war’ episode will be REINSTATED by UKTV after John Cleese blasted decision to remove it
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: Greekman on June 15, 2020, 03:21:10 AM
This is beyond book burning, the mere removal of disapproved media, culture. This Cancel Culture also requires you say something, if not, you are complicit.

White silence on social media: Why not saying anything is actually saying a lot

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/white-silence-on-social-media-why-not-saying-anything-is-actually-saying-a-lot/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/white-silence-on-social-media-why-not-saying-anything-is-actually-saying-a-lot/)

scary indeed....it is the equivalent of "you are either with us or..." which does hide a touch of fascsism...

BTW, my reference in burning books was not on the literal sense, more like in F451 sense, where a shift in culture or politics is enforced
Just a sec...
edit:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_book-burning_incidents
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: Docwatmo on June 15, 2020, 05:57:12 AM
The modern day fascists.  Hiding behind "Woke" culture.   
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: Carver on June 15, 2020, 06:40:28 AM
Time to speak up:
Prof. William Jacobson: ‘Silence Is Violence’ Is Totalitarian, ‘Just Like USSR’
https://www.breitbart.com/radio/2020/06/14/prof-william-jacobson-silence-is-violence-is-totalitarian-just-like-ussr/ (https://www.breitbart.com/radio/2020/06/14/prof-william-jacobson-silence-is-violence-is-totalitarian-just-like-ussr/)
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The “silence is violence” motto goes beyond conventional left-wing intimidation into silence, observed Jacobson, as it pushes the frontier of “political correctness” into demanding expressions of support for leftist campaigns and stories.

Will he get unemployment?

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Jacobson warned, “It’s not even just that people are criticized for speaking out. Now they’re criticized for keeping their mouths shut, and this is really different. This is really totalitarian. This is not just another campus work or societal political correctness push. This is very different.”
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: iam4liberty on June 15, 2020, 07:53:18 AM
Jefferson has been cancelled.  I wonder if some of the older civil rights people will explain to them why so many African Americans chose to have Jefferson as a last name?  Meanwhile on radio, BLM activists are calling for worldwide destruction of all slave made monuments and monuments related to slave owners.  They mentioned the Washington monument, the white house, the capital building, the Smithsonian museum, mount Vernon, all forts, the pyramids of Egypt, and the colston monument in London.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/thomas-jefferson-statue-toppled-in-portland-oregon/ar-BB15uyFp (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/thomas-jefferson-statue-toppled-in-portland-oregon/ar-BB15uyFp)
Thomas Jefferson statue toppled in Portland, Oregon
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: DDJ on June 15, 2020, 02:26:50 PM
Hide history from public sight
Then
Remove it from history
Then
you can repeat it

I am not saying that slavery was ever right.  I am not going to finish my thought because it is tin foil hat time.
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: Carver on June 15, 2020, 02:40:46 PM
Hide history from public sight
Then
Remove it from history
Then
you can repeat it

I am not saying that slavery was ever right.  I am not going to finish my thought because it is tin foil hat time.
I get where you're going with that, a very interesting 2+2 thing. I'm going to have to think about that one. Very, very interesting.
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: David in MN on June 15, 2020, 03:05:10 PM
I'm very confused and very troubled by this. As a child I was raised to believe in the sacred right of speech. We were warned of the existential danger of having a free thought in East Germany where the Stasi would arrest you for having the wrong opinion or Soviet Russia where you had to lock yourself in the bedroom and whisper the truth to your spouse under the covers for fear of the commissar. We were taught to have a great pride that after the Revolution loyalists and rebels went back to being neighbors unlike the bloodbath of the French Revolution. Nobody was executed for holding the "wrong" opinion. And that's uniquely American because we all know the Brits would have strung us up if they had won.

I'm not claiming this is easy. We all grit our teeth when we see neonazi rallies and, truth  be told, if a meteor hit one I probably wouldn't mind. Even things I would support like gay rights can have parades that I find to be inappropriate displays. I'm often dismayed at how people "demonstrate" their second amendment rights. But we have a right to assemble and have our voices heard so we take the bad with the good.

I would also question the motive. Are there really people around me who think slavery was good? Or that women should be lesser than men? I guess it doesn't come up in conversation but I'd be real hard pressed to believe that I'm surrounded by bigots who need to be stifled because if I hear their crazy ideas I might just get sucked in as well. These tech companies almost believe if you read a well-written Facebook page you might just fall for naziism and it would sweep the nation. I find that argument specious. I'm an adult and capable of making up my mind. And if they really wanted to edit out dangerous articles maybe some alt-right basement dweller with 20 followers isn't as important as CNN, Fox, CBS, MSNBC, ABC, NBC, and the other mainstream players licking their fat lips to lie us into yet another pointless war.
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: surfivor on June 15, 2020, 05:50:16 PM
 It's just a tired divide and conquer strategy to distract from other issues and hurt Trump, and an excuse to attack conservatives. Isn't it blatantly obvious ? That's what annoys me, it's so obvious now. Trump might charge deep state operatives with crimes so they need to lash out. These things seem well organized.

 It also seems like this is why radical leftism has always failed in history and it always comes back to the right or the center in the long run because the left always has a militaristic bent that eventually reveals itself but the pain of getting back to the center may be significant
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: iam4liberty on June 17, 2020, 08:48:42 PM
Meanwhile, a BLM spokesperson on radio is encouraging people to bring down the faces on Mount Rushmore.  What could possibly go wrong?

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-black-protester-nearly-killed-by-confederate-soldier-statue-va-20200612-wloplj4ucvhtlgu3533stfstsq-story.html (https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-black-protester-nearly-killed-by-confederate-soldier-statue-va-20200612-wloplj4ucvhtlgu3533stfstsq-story.html)
Black protester nearly killed by Confederate soldier statue
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: Greekman on June 18, 2020, 12:00:19 AM
You know that cancel culture has also been going on here in Greece for quite some time, focused on the re-interpretation of history.
It usually involves the rounding off the edges of history by rounding off the words to affect the perception. (will not get into the details)

But I cannot pinpoint the Who..At the start we had the progressives of the Socialist party doing that, then the radical lefts. That is understandable since they have the internationalism -by the collapse of nation-states- running in their blood.
But now we are seeing the neo-liberals doing this too.

Two different forces,with a similar goal maybe? (pulping the people into a (consuming)mass?
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: Carver on June 18, 2020, 08:15:52 AM
"The Fox Five" debate the cancel culture. Read the comments; how come private companies have to conform to federal whims such as forcing a bakery to bake cakes for homosexual weddings against their will, but Google is a "private company" and therefore exempt?
https://youtu.be/mxSZwDhIHDw (https://youtu.be/mxSZwDhIHDw)
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: iam4liberty on June 18, 2020, 08:37:11 AM
This has spiralled into bizzare virtue signaling where politicians are scouring neighborhoods trying to find things to classify as racist.  Most recent victim is outdoor swings.

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/wireStory/nooses-oakland-park-exercise-aids-man-71314468 (https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/wireStory/nooses-oakland-park-exercise-aids-man-71314468)
'Nooses' in Oakland park were exercise aids, man says

Oakland’s mayor says five ropes found hanging from trees in a city park are nooses and racially-charged symbols of terror but a resident says he put them up simply for exercse
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: iam4liberty on June 18, 2020, 09:32:11 AM
Myth: https://youtu.be/hiNEwbenzRE (https://youtu.be/hiNEwbenzRE)

Reality: https://youtu.be/Cepainc4Z_Q (https://youtu.be/Cepainc4Z_Q)

And here is the thing.  Both the park administrator and police told the mayor they were not nooses, how they were used, who put them up, that no one complained, and that they were not a problem.  But she chose to move forward to get her day of national attention and boost her BLM creds.  She is waisting the time of 14 local, state, and federal authorities who were forced to initiate a full scale hate crime investigation at a time when resources are spread thin.  So now, a half dozen African Americans are facing 10 years in federal prison because 'it doesnt matter what their intentions were.'
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: iam4liberty on June 18, 2020, 01:21:05 PM
So based on facebook's insane policy,  the states are targetting the Amish with the mandatory "slow vehicle" and universal "yield" red triangles?   :crazy:

(https://media.pri.org/s3fs-public/styles/story_main/public/amish_red_triangle_buggies_09_16_2011.jpg?itok=odVRv3rp)
(http://www.clipartbest.com/cliparts/yTk/4pL/yTk4pLGTE.png)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/06/18/trump-campaign-runs-ads-with-marking-once-used-by-nazis-designate-political-prisoners/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/06/18/trump-campaign-runs-ads-with-marking-once-used-by-nazis-designate-political-prisoners/)
Facebook removes Trump ads with symbol once used by Nazis to designate political prisoners
A red inverted triangle was first used in the 1930s to identify Communists, and was applied as well to Social Democrats, liberals, Freemasons and other members of opposition parties.

(https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/PROZXKQKXBHDDJQHROF3FTELW4.png&w=767)

Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: iam4liberty on June 19, 2020, 09:12:20 AM
These journalist and academics live in a fantasy world:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/statues-washington-jefferson-aren-t-next-it-s-complicated-historians-n793971 (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/statues-washington-jefferson-aren-t-next-it-s-complicated-historians-n793971)
Statues of Washington, Jefferson Aren't 'Next,' But It's Complicated, Historians Say

"This week it’s Robert E. Lee. I noticed that Stonewall Jackson is coming down. I wonder, is George Washington next week and is it Thomas Jefferson the week after? You really do have to ask yourself: 'Where does it stop?'" Trump asked at a Tuesday press conference.
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“The president can raise the slippery slope, but it’s a false slippery slope,” said Kevin Levin, a Boston-based historian who specializes in American Civil War history.

All three agreed that the main distinction is how men like Washington served their country compared to men like Lee.

“One man worked to build a nation and one man worked to tear it apart,” Dunbar said. “I don’t know any other nation that has public recognition of traitors.”

It’s a trickier exercise, the historians said, to gain momentum to remove statues of U.S. presidents who owned slaves, for instance.



Reality, ANTIFA/BLM rally in Portland:

https://twitter.com/ByMikeBaker/status/1273870258676264962 (https://twitter.com/ByMikeBaker/status/1273870258676264962)
Protesters in northeast Portland have pulled down a statue of George Washington VIDEO

Some pictures:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ea2sCNuUwAAmoBB?format=jpg&name=900x900)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ea2sCORUMAAu0Wr?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: Carver on June 19, 2020, 09:33:38 AM
I wonder how long this one will last:
https://www.amazon.com/Amazing-Nutrition-Quercetin-Bromelain-Vcaps/dp/B00QOAEVM8/ref=sxts_sxwds-bia-wc-p13n1_0?crid=1FRVVM1UHY060&cv_ct_cx=quercetin+with+bromelain&dchild=1&keywords=quercetin+with+bromelain&pd_rd_i=B00QOAEVM8&pd_rd_r=89d8ad08-083d-47c6-9954-e01fb3c8fb54&pd_rd_w=XlJIt&pd_rd_wg=6E5tf&pf_rd_p=1da5beeb-8f71-435c-b5c5-3279a6171294&pf_rd_r=BG1F222K032CYQHV55T0&psc=1&qid=1592576528&sprefix=quer%2Caps%2C374&sr=1-1-70f7c15d-07d8-466a-b325-4be35d7258cc (https://www.amazon.com/Amazing-Nutrition-Quercetin-Bromelain-Vcaps/dp/B00QOAEVM8/ref=sxts_sxwds-bia-wc-p13n1_0?crid=1FRVVM1UHY060&cv_ct_cx=quercetin+with+bromelain&dchild=1&keywords=quercetin+with+bromelain&pd_rd_i=B00QOAEVM8&pd_rd_r=89d8ad08-083d-47c6-9954-e01fb3c8fb54&pd_rd_w=XlJIt&pd_rd_wg=6E5tf&pf_rd_p=1da5beeb-8f71-435c-b5c5-3279a6171294&pf_rd_r=BG1F222K032CYQHV55T0&psc=1&qid=1592576528&sprefix=quer%2Caps%2C374&sr=1-1-70f7c15d-07d8-466a-b325-4be35d7258cc)
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: David in MN on June 19, 2020, 09:52:59 AM
Popular Mechanics went so far as to publish an article on the "scientific" way to demolish a statue.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a32870657/remove-statue-science/

We should be guarded lest the residents of Florence discover that King David used slave labor and was quite the misogynist. One would have to imagine a world without Michelangelo's masterpiece.

Americans are basically mentally retarded with statue culture compared to Europeans. Every aspect of a statue, from which foot is forward to which hoof the horse has up signifies parts of the edified person's life. It's a method of literally carving our history in stone for all eternity.
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: iam4liberty on June 19, 2020, 10:20:31 AM
Slippery slope?  What slippery slope?  It is all made up.  Juet ask snopes and politifacts.

Now the American Revolution is "the dark side of American history".  They are all dancing on George Floyd's grave. 

https://nypost.com/2020/06/18/pols-call-on-de-blasio-to-boot-thomas-jefferson-from-city-hall (https://nypost.com/2020/06/18/pols-call-on-de-blasio-to-boot-thomas-jefferson-from-city-hall)
Council urges Mayor de Blasio to boot Thomas Jefferson statue from City Hall

This founder’s no keeper as far as some powerful New York City Council members are concerned.

A group of Big Apple local elected officials on Thursday formally asked Mayor Bill de Blasio to remove the statue of Thomas Jefferson from City Hall as the fallout from the George Floyd killing continued to mount.
...
“I believe the New York City Council should neither ignore nor glorify this dark side of American history.”
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: iam4liberty on June 19, 2020, 11:01:51 AM
Fastest to million views political ad in twitter history: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1273799790350884864 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1273799790350884864)

Here it is on now on youtube: https://youtu.be/p8_EoMmuqVU (https://youtu.be/p8_EoMmuqVU)
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: Carver on June 19, 2020, 11:40:56 AM
Going back several years on a visit to an antique store I came across a collection of Black American Figurines. Most of the pieces were so over-the-top derogatory and demeaning by anyone's standards I couldn't help to mention the display to the shopkeeper that I had never seen anything like that before. They said they have had very angry responses to that display (as well as Nazi Germany items) and that it was specifically a group of white liberals who were offended and wanted it removed. In defense of the display, and in fact the most avid collectors of that genre were Black Americans. They were the ones who were in favor of preserving it.

Once all the "evidence" is gone, who is going to believe there ever was a problem?
(look for "black figurines" on EBay for some mildly humorous items).
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: iam4liberty on June 19, 2020, 02:44:13 PM
Wow.  15 million views on twitter in a day.  Incredible.  These videos may be most successful political viral campaign ever.  What is hillarious is that it turns the Twitter "manipulated" video tag on it's head.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1273770669214490626 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1273770669214490626)
Breaking News: Terrified Toddler Runs from Racist Baby

YouTube keeps deleting it so hard to find outside twitter.
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: Carver on June 19, 2020, 04:04:35 PM
Wow.  15 million views on twitter in a day.  Incredible.  These videos may be most successful political viral campaign ever.  What is hillarious is that it turns the Twitter "manipulated" video tag on it's head.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1273770669214490626 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1273770669214490626)
Breaking News: Terrified Toddler Runs from Racist Baby

YouTube keeps deleting it so hard to find outside twitter.
Dang! Twitter removed.
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: David in MN on June 19, 2020, 04:25:23 PM
Going back several years on a visit to an antique store I came across a collection of Black American Figurines. Most of the pieces were so over-the-top derogatory and demeaning by anyone's standards I couldn't help to mention the display to the shopkeeper that I had never seen anything like that before. They said they have had very angry responses to that display (as well as Nazi Germany items) and that it was specifically a group of white liberals who were offended and wanted it removed. In defense of the display, and in fact the most avid collectors of that genre were Black Americans. They were the ones who were in favor of preserving it.

Once all the "evidence" is gone, who is going to believe there ever was a problem?
(look for "black figurines" on EBay for some mildly humorous items).

I had a similar experience some years back when Turner Classics did a Black History Month series and showed the changing role of black acting over the years. I had no framework as a 20 something who would have been in love with Denzel's action films and maybe had the hots for Hally Berry but did my eyes open. They kicked it off with Griffith's Birth of a Nation where (no joke) most of the black roles are white men in blackface and the KKK is the hero of the film. I was gobstopped. I mean I can laugh at crude humor but this was something totally different that really rubbed me wrong. Thankfully, they had an expert on black American history who provided context and gave a great speech about putting the art in context and viewing it as cinema without accepting the horrible racist plot. He was of the firm belief that we need to show the historical injustice because erasing it doesn't honor those who suffered it and those who fought rhetorically and unfortunately physically to change the world.

I haven't been all over the world but I can say when you stand in the Colosseum or at the secret passage in Anne Frank's house you do suffer a moment of self-reflection and wonder how we are capable of such horrors and (I at least) feel a pang of shame for my species. I'd like to think us better. But I wouldn't trade that uneasy feeling that has been the north star to my moral compass.
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: iam4liberty on June 19, 2020, 04:59:14 PM
Dang! Twitter removed.

Can't stop the signal, Mal.

https://www.metatube.com/en/videos/456799/VIRAL-TERRIFIED-TODDLER-RUNS-FROM-RACIST-BABY/ (https://www.metatube.com/en/videos/456799/VIRAL-TERRIFIED-TODDLER-RUNS-FROM-RACIST-BABY/)
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: Carver on June 19, 2020, 05:33:38 PM
Can't stop the signal, Mal.

https://www.metatube.com/en/videos/456799/VIRAL-TERRIFIED-TODDLER-RUNS-FROM-RACIST-BABY/ (https://www.metatube.com/en/videos/456799/VIRAL-TERRIFIED-TODDLER-RUNS-FROM-RACIST-BABY/)
That tells it all.
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: Morning Sunshine on June 19, 2020, 08:47:01 PM
Can't stop the signal, Mal.

https://www.metatube.com/en/videos/456799/VIRAL-TERRIFIED-TODDLER-RUNS-FROM-RACIST-BABY/ (https://www.metatube.com/en/videos/456799/VIRAL-TERRIFIED-TODDLER-RUNS-FROM-RACIST-BABY/)

always a +1 for Firefly quotes
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: iam4liberty on June 20, 2020, 12:05:11 AM
Interesting to watch this battle play out.  Looks like twitter is giving up after music changes and fair use exertions.  They have no leg to stand on, having to violate their own TOS to take down.

https://twitter.com/CarpeDonktum/status/1171200359144054785 (https://twitter.com/CarpeDonktum/status/1171200359144054785)
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: iam4liberty on June 20, 2020, 06:47:16 AM
San Francisco mob tore down a statue of Ulysses S. Grant. :wtf: Californians?  Grant was the Union general who, as an abolitionist,  faught against slavery, freeing the only slave bequeeth to him and leading the battles which ultimately ended slavely across America.  He was especially honored by African Americans for his war against the Democrat funded KKK.  But, as the lead vandal states, he was supposedly an "evil white dude",  They also tore down the statues of Saint Junípero Serra, who defended native Americans from abuses by Spanish soldiers, and Francis Scott Key, who, as an enslaved prisoner, penned our national anthem.

George Floyd is probably turning over in his grave that all this nonsensical violence is being done in his name.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/san-francisco-protesters-tear-down-union-general-ulysses-s-grant-s-statue/ar-BB15KtqI (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/san-francisco-protesters-tear-down-union-general-ulysses-s-grant-s-statue/ar-BB15KtqI)
San Francisco Protesters Tear Down Union General Ulysses S. Grant's Statue
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: iam4liberty on June 20, 2020, 07:07:02 AM
Here is a link to the pamphlet Frederick Douglass put out about his friend Ulysses:

https://www.loc.gov/resource/rbaapc.08000/?sp=1&r=-0.235,-0.542,1.474,1.793,0 (https://www.loc.gov/resource/rbaapc.08000/?sp=1&r=-0.235,-0.542,1.474,1.793,0)
U.S. Grant and the colored people. : His wise, just, practical, and effective friendship thoroughly vindicated by incontestable facts in his record from 1862 to 1872. : Words of truth and soberness! He who runs may read and understand!! Be not deceived, only truth can endure!!!
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: Morning Sunshine on June 20, 2020, 07:09:44 AM
San Francisco mob tore down a statue of Ulysses S. Grant. :wtf: Californians?  Grant was the Union general who, as an abolitionist,  faught against slavery, freeing the only slave bequeeth to him and leading the battles which ultimately ended slavely across America.  He was especially honored by African Americans for his war against the Democrat funded KKK.  But, as the lead vandal states, he was supposedly an "evil white dude",  They also tore down the statues of Saint Junípero Serra, who defended native Americans from abuses by Spanish soldiers, and Francis Scott Key, who, as an enslaved prisoner, penned our national anthem.

George Floyd is probably turning over in his grave that all this nonsensical violence is being done in his name.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/san-francisco-protesters-tear-down-union-general-ulysses-s-grant-s-statue/ar-BB15KtqI (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/san-francisco-protesters-tear-down-union-general-ulysses-s-grant-s-statue/ar-BB15KtqI)
San Francisco Protesters Tear Down Union General Ulysses S. Grant's Statue

that is because the goal is not to get rid of racism.  The end goal is to destroy history and start over.  See also: Stalin, Mao, and Taliban.

on a side note, perhaps tearing down these statues is perfectly fine as well, since if there was no slavery to begin with, there would have been no need for these men fighting it.  So, again, it is the fault of these evil white men.
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: Carver on June 20, 2020, 07:40:31 AM
that is because the goal is not to get rid of racism.  The end goal is to destroy history and start over.  See also: Stalin, Mao, and Taliban.

on a side note, perhaps tearing down these statues is perfectly fine as well, since if there was no slavery to begin with, there would have been no need for these men fighting it.  So, again, it is the fault of these evil white men.
Another possibility is that no white man should receive credit for ending slavery.
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: iam4liberty on June 20, 2020, 04:20:03 PM
Perfect example of how CNN creates fake news:

https://twitter.com/EYEDROPMEDIA/status/1274370078801158144?s=19 (https://twitter.com/EYEDROPMEDIA/status/1274370078801158144?s=19)
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: Greekman on June 21, 2020, 12:03:06 AM
Here is a link to the pamphlet Frederick Douglass put out about his friend Ulysses:

https://www.loc.gov/resource/rbaapc.08000/?sp=1&r=-0.235,-0.542,1.474,1.793,0 (https://www.loc.gov/resource/rbaapc.08000/?sp=1&r=-0.235,-0.542,1.474,1.793,0)
U.S. Grant and the colored people. : His wise, just, practical, and effective friendship thoroughly vindicated by incontestable facts in his record from 1862 to 1872. : Words of truth and soberness! He who runs may read and understand!! Be not deceived, only truth can endure!!!

from the wikipedia I read
Quote
"As president, Grant stabilized the post-war national economy, created the Department of Justice, and prosecuted the Ku Klux Klan. He appointed African-Americans and Jewish-Americans to prominent federal offices. "
and this made me suspicious
Quote
The Liberal Republicans and Democrats united behind Grant's opponent in the presidential election of 1872,
Any chance that the statues being torn down, are of Republican-siding political figures only?
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: iam4liberty on June 21, 2020, 04:47:42 AM
from the wikipedia I read  and this made me suspiciousAny chance that the statues being torn down, are of Republican-siding political figures only?

Well, they tore down Thomas Jefferson who the Dems used to call the founder of their party.  That said, most now equate TJ with Libertarians now so it could be possible.

Now they have come for To Kill a Mockingbird.  This has nothing to do with language and everything to do with theme of standing up against the mob and seeking justice

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02/12/harper-lee-mark-twain-banned-minnesota-schools/ (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02/12/harper-lee-mark-twain-banned-minnesota-schools/)
Harper Lee and Mark Twain banned by Minnesota schools over racial slurs
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: iam4liberty on June 21, 2020, 07:06:51 AM
BLM is now toppling and defacing the tombstones of veterans.  Here is the tomb of the unknown soldiers in Atlanta's Oakland Cemetary.  It memorializes the remains of fallen soldiers who could not be identified including many African Americans.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ea_dPGqUMAAtJS7?format=jpg&name=900x900)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ea_dPX3UMAEP_oU?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: iam4liberty on June 21, 2020, 07:26:00 AM
Backlash is growing and it is huge.  Number one trend on social media is "Cancel Yale".  Elihu Yale was a slave trader.  So to point out hypocrisy of BLM/ANTIFA, there are calls for graduates to resign their degrees, Yale's memorial statue be torn down, the name of the university be changed, and its trust fund be distributed as reparations.  Progressives are losing their minds trying to explain why Thomas Jefferson deserves cancelation while their beloved Elihu Yale should be honored.
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: Carver on June 21, 2020, 11:30:12 AM
Eskimo ice cream sandwiches will change "derogatory" name
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/06/20/eskimo-pie-ice-cream-to-change-derogatory-name/ (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/06/20/eskimo-pie-ice-cream-to-change-derogatory-name/)

I bet General Motors is happy they no longer manufacture the Pontiac Chieftain.
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: iam4liberty on June 22, 2020, 06:49:35 AM
That tells it all.

Case in point is this coverage by NPR.

MYTH:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EbDdjpfXgAEpt_A?format=jpg&name=large)

REALITY:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EbDdjpgWkAA6UGI?format=jpg&name=large)

NPR believes you are a right wing extremist if you don't let a violent mob murder you.  Because, you know, such extremists wear dresdlocks.  I feal sorry for those who use NPR as their primary news source as they are going to get someone killed.  They might as well listen to radio Havana.

Video here:

https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/crime/2020/06/18/2-charged-louisville-altercation-driver-who-hit-protester/3216822001/ (https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/crime/2020/06/18/2-charged-louisville-altercation-driver-who-hit-protester/3216822001/)

Two charged after vehicle hit protester in Louisville; driver not charged
The driver, whose name was redacted in the report, told police that protesters surrounded her car and "a verbal altercation occurred after which the protesters began to reach into her car, scratching her vehicle window ... and assaulting her, pulling her hair (pulling out a dreadlock)." Police say the driver sustained a minor injury.

The report goes on to say that the driver told police that after seeing one of the protesters with a handgun, she was "in fear for her life and drove away from the crowd." She subsequently hit one of the protesters running toward the vehicle.

Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: David in MN on June 22, 2020, 03:53:56 PM
They vandalized a statue of Miguel Cervantes in San Francisco. Cervantes, best known for penning Don Quixote was himself a slave for 5 years.

There's just no context. In a time when we need subtle nuanced discussions of historical events and people we are knee-jerk judging everyone.
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: iam4liberty on June 22, 2020, 04:25:38 PM
Here's the context:

“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.”

― George Orwell, 1984
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: iam4liberty on June 22, 2020, 08:46:38 PM
BLM continues its attack on veteran memorials, this time going after the real anti-fascists.

https://www.wmbfnews.com/2020/06/21/world-war-ii-monument-defaced-with-paint-charlotte-cemetery/ (https://www.wmbfnews.com/2020/06/21/world-war-ii-monument-defaced-with-paint-charlotte-cemetery/)
World War II monument defaced with paint at Charlotte cemetery

The hammer and sickle symbol of communism was also painted on the memorial. Yellow paint covers a passage reading, “Dedicated to the memory of the Mecklenburg heroes of World War II who made the supreme sacrifice that you might live in liberty, freedom and peace.”

The vandalism is similar to paint left behind on Memorial Day at a memorial in Lawrenceville, Pennsyvlania, according to WPXI. The same phrase was painted onto the National World War I museum in Kansas City, Missouri, last year, according to the Northeast News.

Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police said they hadn’t gotten a report about the incident. A call to the City of Charlotte’s cemetery division went unanswered Sunday.


(https://www.wmbfnews.com/resizer/MNtW0DD0baM0e8tKBe1XCh4RgwI=/1200x600/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/raycom/CSWITGY5RNG7LJSQABX334Z6K4.jpg)
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: iam4liberty on June 22, 2020, 08:53:37 PM
It's like every book from high school rolled into one: 1984, To Kill a Mockingbird, Fahrenheit 451, Lord of the Flys, A Clockwork Orange.  I expect Atlas Shrugged to come about any moment now.

We can expect Seatle's mayor to do a quick about face now that businesses are fleeing.

https://ktar.com/story/3321032/due-to-seattles-unrest-billion-dolloar-investment-firm-moving-to-phoenix/amp/ (https://ktar.com/story/3321032/due-to-seattles-unrest-billion-dolloar-investment-firm-moving-to-phoenix/amp/)
Due to Seattle’s unrest, billion-dollar investment firm moving to Phoenix

” … The unrest that has taken place in the city of Seattle … there is really is not a downtown business community today,”
...
candidate recruitment is harder and the cost of living within the city is more expensive than Phoenix.

“We’re hearing rumors of 40-story buildings that will be only 20-percent occupied by October,” Smead said.
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: Carver on June 23, 2020, 06:57:26 AM
Left-Wing Shaun King: Tear Down ‘White Supremacy’ Statues of Jesus
Now here is another stupid suggestion that I don't find myself opposed to in principle. The story is at Breitbart and not really worth the read. But if the point is that Jesus wasn't a European, I agree. I think 1st century Christianity has been corrupted over the centuries in Europe. And the whole thing about statues of Jesus, Mary, are essential to idolatry; yes, there are those who pray to them and think they are holy. But the intent of this man isn't out of love for God but for hatred of a segment of mankind.

How long will statues of Republican Martin Luther King Jr. survive?
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: Morning Sunshine on June 23, 2020, 07:06:45 AM
Left-Wing Shaun King: Tear Down ‘White Supremacy’ Statues of Jesus
Now here is another stupid suggestion that I don't find myself opposed to in principle. The story is at Breitbart and not really worth the read. But if the point is that Jesus wasn't a European, I agree. I think 1st century Christianity has been corrupted over the centuries in Europe. And the whole thing about statues of Jesus, Mary, are essential to idolatry; yes, there are those who pray to them and think they are holy. But the intent of this man isn't out of love for God but for hatred of a segment of mankind.

How long will statues of Republican Martin Luther King Jr. survive?

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/bryan-preston/2020/06/22/video-young-venezuelan-woman-warns-america-where-destroying-statues-leads-n564632

Quote
She points to several steps Venezuela went through on its way from being one of the most prosperous countries in the Americas to a socialist police state and economic disaster:

Statues came down because socialist dictator Hugo Chavez wanted the history erased.
He changed street names for the same reason.
He changed the educational curriculum to erase history and substitute his version.
Some movies were banned, presumably for the same reason.
We’ve seen all of these happen in America just in the past few weeks, with statue destruction happening in blue cities and states from coast to coast, as city leaders choose not to defend them. There’s a petition to change the name of Columbus, Ohio because it’s named after explorer Christopher Columbus.
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: iam4liberty on June 23, 2020, 07:33:31 AM
We can expect Seatle's mayor to do a quick about face now that businesses are fleeing.

Mayor has told protesters to move out.  Public community leaders are behind initiative.  Chazistanians are calling for her resignation and vowing to maintain the democratic people's republic of Chaz.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=4I_01uRxNMA (https://youtube.com/watch?v=4I_01uRxNMA)
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: Carver on June 23, 2020, 08:08:31 AM
That looks to me like High Noon is coming to CHAZ/CHOP. That video was an edited version of this one: https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/seattle-mayor-to-make-city-budget-changes-for-black-communities-in-response-to-chop-protests/281-de995e1b-27fc-4089-bb9e-e68b389901a6 (https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/seattle-mayor-to-make-city-budget-changes-for-black-communities-in-response-to-chop-protests/281-de995e1b-27fc-4089-bb9e-e68b389901a6)

 :popcorn:
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: iam4liberty on June 23, 2020, 08:40:34 AM
That looks to me like High Noon is coming to CHAZ/CHOP. That video was an edited version of this one: https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/seattle-mayor-to-make-city-budget-changes-for-black-communities-in-response-to-chop-protests/281-de995e1b-27fc-4089-bb9e-e68b389901a6 (https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/seattle-mayor-to-make-city-budget-changes-for-black-communities-in-response-to-chop-protests/281-de995e1b-27fc-4089-bb9e-e68b389901a6)

 :popcorn:

No kidding.  So under the promise of raining taxpayer dollars on their organizations, the mayor has recruited a large group of "moderate" African American protesters to go in and push out the BLM and ANTIFA elements. Definitely did not see that coming.  I wonder how they will respond?
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: Carver on June 23, 2020, 08:56:09 AM
Also note in these and other videos/photos how often the hammer & sickle or the clenched fist, all symbols of communism, are on display without any rebuke by the media or anyone. But do the "OK" hand gesture and you a racist white supremacist. On this website, https://www.adl.org/hate-symbols?page=0 (https://www.adl.org/hate-symbols?page=0) symbols of hate are identified. I could not find the clenched fist or the hammer & sickle among them.
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: iam4liberty on June 23, 2020, 10:36:14 AM
Also note in these and other videos/photos how often the hammer & sickle or the clenched fist, all symbols of communism, are on display without any rebuke by the media or anyone.

Well BLM at its core is a Marxist communist organization.  They really don't care one bit about George Floyd.  To them he was a traitor because he was in security and preached peace, law, and order.  His nickname was "the gentle giant". He would protect people from violence, not encourage it.  BLM is just using his death to advance their communist agenda.

https://thefederalist.com/2016/09/28/black-lives-matter-bringing-back-traditional-marxism/ (https://thefederalist.com/2016/09/28/black-lives-matter-bringing-back-traditional-marxism/)
How Black Lives Matter Is Bringing Back Traditional Marxism
Marxist theory could be making a comeback. That means less trigger warnings and safe spaces, but more entrenched racial conflict.
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: surfivor on June 23, 2020, 11:06:22 AM
Quote
Left-Wing Shaun King: Tear Down ‘White Supremacy’ Statues of Jesus
Now here is another stupid suggestion that I don't find myself opposed to in principle. The story is at Breitbart and not really worth the read. But if the point is that Jesus wasn't a European, I agree. I think 1st century Christianity has been corrupted over the centuries in Europe. And the whole thing about statues of Jesus, Mary, are essential to idolatry; yes, there are those who pray to them and think they are holy. But the intent of this man isn't out of love for God but for hatred of a segment of mankind.

 We don't know this actually. The house of David intermarried with various other tribes. David married Bathsheba who was a Hittite which seems to be from a Mediterranean group near modern day Turkey and is in the line of David which also included mohabites in the same ancestry. The middle east is a mix of different animals and plants from both north Africa and Europe. Various migrations also occur, for instance palestinians in Israel are a result of the Arab conquests in 1500 years ago. Today Israel is totally controlled by Ashkenazi jews from Europe who look very European. Some claim they are not really jews and many subscribe to that idea but that does not seem accurate either. I have seen a few claims about such things by various experts but I never found it particularly convincing and lacking in any in depth evidence

 There are blonde blue eyed people from Kashmir and parts of northern India. This is kind of like the thing that if you disagree or question it then you are racist but if you don't raise questions then people assume such things to be true

However, to remove statues of jesus because of such claims of white supremacy is just a thinly disguised means to attack the christian religion





Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: iam4liberty on June 23, 2020, 01:10:55 PM
It doesn't really matter.  In America religious expressions are both privately owned and protected by the first amendment.  So nobody, whether a government representative or not, has the right to take down another person's religious statues or paintings.  That someone would suggest going around doing so is insane.
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: David in MN on June 23, 2020, 02:00:02 PM
Well we certainly have erected monuments to pagan gods like that big lady in New York Harbor or the blindfolded lady on every courthouse. Amazing how that never comes up.

I have some mixed feelings. If a monument was erected in the postbellum south as part of a nation healing and coming back together that's one thing. If people put up Confederate monuments as a legacy of the south during the time of desegregating schools I find little sympathy.

But I also empathize with men being products of their times. One need only read the Bible to see Noah was a drunk, Moses had some anger issues, David was a womanizer, and even Jesus took a whip to the moneychangers. I feel like we used to accept that judging historical figures with modern standards is a bit too much. For Pete's sake Obama ran against gay marriage and that was like 4 days ago historically speaking.

And to complicate it further I wouldn't want to walk past the statue of the guy who owned my great great grandparents.

It's a mess.
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: Mr. Bill on June 23, 2020, 02:11:59 PM
BLM continues its attack on veteran memorials, this time going after the real anti-fascists.

https://www.wmbfnews.com/2020/06/21/world-war-ii-monument-defaced-with-paint-charlotte-cemetery/ (https://www.wmbfnews.com/2020/06/21/world-war-ii-monument-defaced-with-paint-charlotte-cemetery/)
World War II monument defaced with paint at Charlotte cemetery

I agree that quite a few BLM activists are explicitly communist, but where is the link between BLM and this particular series of incidents?  The painted slogans refer to Shining Path and revolutionary socialist prison riots and the Peruvian government's counterassault in 1986.  Sounds like a separate group of communists (or one disgruntled guy with a spraypaint can who vandalized three monuments).
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: iam4liberty on June 23, 2020, 03:43:16 PM
I agree that quite a few BLM activists are explicitly communist, but where is the link between BLM and this particular series of incidents? 

It was started by a local chapter of BLM and they are the ones doing the negotiating.  That is why the street mural and all signage has the BLM name/logo.

(https://images.dailyhive.com/20200612093935/CHAZ.jpg)

https://www.wsj.com/articles/seattle-protesters-negotiate-over-leaving-autonomous-zone-11591987159 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/seattle-protesters-negotiate-over-leaving-autonomous-zone-11591987159)
Seattle Protesters Negotiate Over Leaving ‘Autonomous Zone’

Black Lives Matter protesters negotiated with local officials here Friday over their terms for leaving a six block area that they have controlled for most of the week without a police presence.

The occupation of what has become known as the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone, also known as ‘CHAZ,’ began when Mayor Jenny Durkan on Monday ordered police to abandon the East Precinct station, which had been the site of almost daily confrontations between officers and people protesting the killing of a black man, George Floyd


But the bigger question is: What is the link between BLM and justice for George Floyd?  The answer is "nothing".
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: iam4liberty on June 23, 2020, 05:14:09 PM
Stossel TV report:

https://youtu.be/Qt6E6ihsuQQ (https://youtu.be/Qt6E6ihsuQQ)
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: iam4liberty on June 23, 2020, 09:57:17 PM
Looks like the CHAZ coverage has been cancelled. 

https://www.foxnews.com/media/cnn-msnbc-primetime-ignore-seattles-plans-to-dismantle-chop-zone-after-shootings.amp (https://www.foxnews.com/media/cnn-msnbc-primetime-ignore-seattles-plans-to-dismantle-chop-zone-after-shootings.amp)
CNN, MSNBC primetime ignore Seattle’s plans to dismantle 'CHOP' zone after shootings
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: surfivor on June 23, 2020, 10:34:51 PM

They want to topple a Lincoln statue in DC on Thursday. I saw a bunch of angry people yelling and screaming in front of the statue.  I really don’t get it, how is that more significant than say Guantanamo, torture, fake WMD, Epstein or a zillion other things that seem much more significant. People must be being manipulated by soros
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: iam4liberty on June 24, 2020, 06:17:22 AM
They want to topple a Lincoln statue in DC on Thursday. I saw a bunch of angry people yelling and screaming in front of the statue.

That justi isn't any statue of Lincoln that BLM/ANTIFA has targeted for destruction, it is the Emancipation Memorial.  This is a monument paid for by donations from freed slaves to commemorate the end of slavery and honor Lincoln.  Their goal in tearing it down is to remove evidence that it was Republicans and third party groups which advocated for freedom while Democrats supported slavery   They are trying to coordinate an attack on it Thursday. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emancipation_Memorial (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emancipation_Memorial)
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: Carver on June 24, 2020, 06:48:12 AM
Madison protesters tear down Capitol statues, attack state Senator from Milwaukee as fury erupts again
https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/2020/06/24/madison-protesters-pull-down-forward-hans-christian-heg-statues-attack-senator-sculptures-in-lake/3247948001/ (https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/2020/06/24/madison-protesters-pull-down-forward-hans-christian-heg-statues-attack-senator-sculptures-in-lake/3247948001/)
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In Madison, statues of Wisconsin's motto "Forward" and of Col. Hans Christian Heg were dragged away from their spots guarding the statehouse. Heg was an anti-slavery activist who fought and died for the Union during the U.S. Civil War. His nearly 100-year-old sculpture was decapitated and thrown into a Madison lake by protesters.

Quote
"This is absolutely despicable. I am saddened at the cowardice of Madison officials to deal with these thugs," Assembly Speaker Robin Vos, R-Rochester, tweeted as the statues were being torn down.

Vos also questioned why Gov. Tony Evers hadn't intervened in the destruction of the statues, given it took place on state Capitol property.
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: Carver on June 24, 2020, 07:05:18 AM
Exempt & preserved:
After protests in Madison, the murals that followed will be saved as part of history

https://www.jsonline.com/picture-gallery/news/2020/06/18/storefront-murals-become-madison-city-history/3216700001/ (https://www.jsonline.com/picture-gallery/news/2020/06/18/storefront-murals-become-madison-city-history/3216700001/)
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: Docwatmo on June 24, 2020, 07:22:20 AM
Their goal in tearing it down is to remove evidence that it was Republicans and third party groups which advocated for freedom while Democrats supported slavery   They are trying to coordinate an attack on it Thursday. 

I am beginning to believe this more and more.  It has nothing to do with the mindlessly easily offended.
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: iam4liberty on June 24, 2020, 07:59:37 AM
I am beginning to believe this more and more.  It has nothing to do with the mindlessly easily offended.

Frederick Douglas gave the dedication speech for the Emancipation Memorial (aka Freedmen’s Monument) i.  It is amazing.  It ends with:

Fellow-citizens, I end, as I began, with congratulations. We have done a good work for our race today. In doing honor to the memory of our friend and liberator, we have been doing highest honors to ourselves and those who come after us; we have been fastening ourselves to a name and fame imperishable and immortal; we have also been defending ourselves from a blighting scandal. When now it shall be said that the colored man is soulless, that he has no appreciation of benefits or benefactors; when the foul reproach of ingratitude is hurled at us, and it is attempted to scourge us beyond the range of human brotherhood, we may calmly point to the monument we have this day erected to the memory of Abraham Lincoln.

Oration in Memory of Abraham Lincoln
Frederick Douglass | April 14, 1876
Delivered at the Unveiling of The Freedmen’s Monument in Lincoln Park, Washington, D.C.

https://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/document/oration-in-memory-of-abraham-lincoln/ (https://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/document/oration-in-memory-of-abraham-lincoln/)

Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: David in MN on June 24, 2020, 12:11:51 PM
Wow they really screwed the pooch going after Madison WI. You've all seen the capitol building in film because it's a scaled down likeness to the DC capitol but a fraction of the price to rent.

A lot of our Midwest states were accepted in the Union within the 20 year period before the Civil War and it was a galvanizing force for many. Whether in Madison or St. Paul or many others you will find the capitol festooned with the uniforms, rifles, and flags of the men who served at the darkest hour of American history. These feeble upstart states fielded armies that won the war and if I'm honest we're a little too eager to put our thumb in the eye of the south with our monuments that proudly depict that our farm boys can put a whoopin on anyone.

But Madison went one step further. The state of Wisconsin, my proud homeland, was not just a free state. The state itself nullified and banned by law the enforcement of the Fugitive Slave Act. By the law of the state of Wisconsin escaped slaves could not be captured and were left to live their lives peaceably. We did it before it was cool. As such the state developed a massive role in the Underground Railroad because it didn't have to be as underground.

So when I see idiot college kids destroying the monuments to the heroes who fought and bled the ground red in the name of ending slavery I am at a loss. I think of the Tom Woods quote that being anti-slavery in 2020 is kind of meaningless because we all are. Being anti-slavery in 1850 could get you killed. And I would question anyone who would dishonor those who risked life and limb because the moral crusade against slavery demanded it. There's a lot of nuance and we could have that conversation but there really were abolitionists.
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: iam4liberty on June 24, 2020, 01:20:37 PM
Wow they really screwed the pooch going after Madison WI. You've all seen the capitol building in film because it's a scaled down likeness to the DC capitol but a fraction of the price to rent.

No kidding.  8 BLM/ANTIFA activists beating the heck out of a Democrat Senator is a major escalation of the violence.  I have a feeling some democrats will start to wake up to fact that they have been empowering a terrorist group,

Also the NASCAR noose story that CNN and NPR pushed as a hate crime fact turned out to be another hoax.  It was the handle for the garage and had been that way for years. 

(https://news.unclesamsmisguidedchildren.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/nascarnoose2.jpg)
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: David in MN on June 24, 2020, 06:26:38 PM
Should also tell that Wisconsin was the first to ratify the 19th Amendment. Our history is protecting minority rights and preserving women's equality. Yeah, imagine that: one state that carried all that water. And those of us from there are damn proud of our heritage.
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: Carver on June 24, 2020, 10:07:01 PM
Republican party was started in Wisconsin as an abolitionist movement.
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: iam4liberty on June 25, 2020, 09:17:21 AM
Hmmm...this might actaully work....

https://babylonbee.com/news/cities-successfully-preserving-existing-statues-by-re-naming-them-all-karl-marx (https://babylonbee.com/news/cities-successfully-preserving-existing-statues-by-re-naming-them-all-karl-marx)
Cities Protecting Statues By Disguising Them As Karl Marx

(https://babylonbee.com/img/articles/article-6433-2.jpg)


Background:

https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/racist-statues-fall-everywhere-as-new-lenin-statue-rises-in-germany/ (https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/racist-statues-fall-everywhere-as-new-lenin-statue-rises-in-germany/)
Racist statues fall everywhere as new Lenin statue rises in Germany

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/german-communist-party-erects-lenin-statue-despite-towns-outrage (https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/german-communist-party-erects-lenin-statue-despite-towns-outrage)
German communist party erects Lenin statue despite town’s outrage
The municipal council tried in vain to prevent the cast-iron statue from being placed in a square in front of Germany’s tiny Marxist-Leninist Party (MPLD) headquarters.
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: iam4liberty on June 26, 2020, 07:33:40 AM
https://www.intellectualtakeout.org/rioters-vandalize-memorial-to-victims-of-communism/ (https://www.intellectualtakeout.org/rioters-vandalize-memorial-to-victims-of-communism/)
Rioters Vandalize Memorial to Victims of Communism

A memorial to the more than 100 million people killed by communism was vandalized in the midst of the protests
...
 Marion Smith, the executive director of the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation tweeted images of the vandalism Tuesday. Photos show “BLM” and what looks to be part of another word spray painted on the statue.

In interesting, if perhaps coincidental timing, this vandalism of a tribute to the dead occurs the same week as the anniversary of the Chinese Communist Party’s (CCP) brutal suppression of the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests, resulting in an estimated death toll of thousands of protesters as the full weight of China’s military descended upon its citizenry.
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: bigbear on June 26, 2020, 11:41:52 AM
On a related topic:  "1984" is free on Amazon Prime.
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: Carver on June 26, 2020, 12:01:36 PM
Isn't it ironic that the motto "silence is violence" is only applicable in a campaign to intimidate forced pledges to a cause, but it is not applicable to their silencing and rewriting of history. As an example the following is a letter about a long-running dispute between historians and activist re-writing of history:
Quote
Submitted to the Pioneer Press
Subject: Letter submission Minnesota's First National Historic Landmark Includes State's First Memorial to Murderers
 
MN Historical Society (MNHS) started construction on Fort Snelling’s revitalization project totaling more than $34 million.  The project includes a single memorial.  MNHS cleverly hid the memorial’s design and approval and obscured it from public view.

MNHS offers selective views of the project.  Lurking out of sight is the east corner where the memorial will worship two Dakota men, Shakopee and Medicine Bottle, known for their heinous killing of more than 25 European, Non-Dakota and biracial Americans during the Dakota’s efforts to rid Minnesota of non-Dakota people.

The Dakota’s attack on Minnesota was quashed in 1862.  When defeat was eminent, Shakopee, Medicine Bottle, and others fled Minnesota leaving over 650 dead.

The two evaded arrest until Canadians arranged for their extradition to Minnesota.  At trial, four Dakota people’s and a victim’s wife’s testimony included confessions from each man and gruesome mutilation details.  Both were found guilty and were hanged. 

MNHS does not reveal Shakopee and Medicine Bottle’s carnage, does not honor victims such as Philander Prescott, does not mention the soldiers who found mutilated bodies and survivors on Minnesota’s prairies.  The single memorial fixates on two self-confessed murderers.

No longer will MNHS acknowledge the physical, emotional, and generational scars left on Minnesota’s immigrant and pioneer families.  Minnesota tax dollars are being used to produce a memorial that approves of murder.  MNHS has used the State of Minnesota and its taxpayers.  The victims of the bloodiest six weeks in Minnesota History and their descendants have been victimized again.

 Submitted by

Steph Chappell
Glencoe, MN
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: David in MN on June 26, 2020, 02:08:13 PM
Does this play bad with the overwhelming majority? Like I'm down with not paying for a statue of Nathan Bedford Forrest but at some point we'll need to rename July and August? Those good for nothing Romans used slave labor to kill the guy I pray to.

I actually have a positive side to this. Bear in mind America (for all her faults) was borne out of people who saw the French Revolution, the German 30 Years' War, and the stifling of Polish, Italian, and Irish poor. They ran from the European "think right or die" and if you think I am overstating it ask a German Anabaptist or an Italian who lived through the street violence from their towers (Romeo and Juliet et al). It can't be overstated that we have the most amazing protection the world has ever seen. You can speak your mind even if you're wrong or crazy. Americans can literally hold a rally that the earth is a pea in the digestive tract of a brontosaurus and the only hope is to make a grain sacrifice to He-Man. Oh, and bring a rifle. I have a little hope that we all secretly harbor these freedoms.
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: iam4liberty on June 26, 2020, 02:09:22 PM
Silence is violence!   If you see something, say something.

(https://www.fbi.gov/@@dvpdffiles/5/b/5b7faa097aa84b9d814e3e62c90236b3/normal/dump_1.gif)
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: Carver on June 26, 2020, 07:52:58 PM
A satirical look at the Cancel Culture:
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/491563-cancel-cultural-comissars-blm-statues/ (https://www.rt.com/op-ed/491563-cancel-cultural-comissars-blm-statues/)
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: Carver on June 27, 2020, 12:27:57 PM
More forced confessions of allegiance, cancelling isn't enough: Lincoln was only "anti", but not "pro".
https://www.channel3000.com/uw-madison-students-call-for-removal-of-lincoln-statue-just-because-he-was-anti-slavery-doesnt-mean-he-was-pro-black/?fbclid=IwAR1QrTAT6W3laDXj4s0kxQRYlmm81MzFuP9azd_nb2WOpgwmJtk3n1yfc5k (https://www.channel3000.com/uw-madison-students-call-for-removal-of-lincoln-statue-just-because-he-was-anti-slavery-doesnt-mean-he-was-pro-black/?fbclid=IwAR1QrTAT6W3laDXj4s0kxQRYlmm81MzFuP9azd_nb2WOpgwmJtk3n1yfc5k)
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: iam4liberty on June 27, 2020, 01:02:26 PM
Youtube and other social media keep taking down video of black historian and owner of a DC tour guide service defending the Freedmen's Emmancipation Monument.  After he spoke he was atracked by ANTIFA activists.

Video addressing crowd (hurry before taken down):

https://youtu.be/KNy3J3oFT1Y (https://youtu.be/KNy3J3oFT1Y)

He was driven from event and told if he didnt leave city they would kill him.

(https://cdni.rt.com/files/2020.06/xxl/5ef6a9e485f540628377a5ad.JPG)


Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: Carver on June 27, 2020, 01:28:55 PM
Whenever I go to Youtube, Amazon prime video, Facebook I am presented with a selection of black-orientated media. So far it is possible to close the selection but I'm guessing it soon will be permanent. I'm expecting that Facebook will require you to make an affirmative acceptance of such material to prove you are not a racist.
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: iam4liberty on June 27, 2020, 02:32:12 PM
Whenever I go to Youtube, Amazon prime video, Facebook I am presented with a selection of black-orientated media. So far it is possible to close the selection but I'm guessing it soon will be permanent. I'm expecting that Facebook will require you to make an affirmative acceptance of such material to prove you are not a racist.

Well, that's easy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PIoikXsrpk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PIoikXsrpk)
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: David in MN on June 28, 2020, 11:27:17 AM
Also the NASCAR noose story that CNN and NPR pushed as a hate crime fact turned out to be another hoax.  It was the handle for the garage and had been that way for years. 

(https://news.unclesamsmisguidedchildren.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/nascarnoose2.jpg)

It's not just that they ran the story. I'm not a NASCAR guy and I couldn't name 2 racers for a billion dollars. So I don't know anything about Bubba Wallace and I'm happy to allow that maybe he was mistaken and maybe that pullchord was positioned in such a way that it did look out of place... Look, I don't know. But what I do know is that this warranted front page news coverage and a full FBI investigation. Like we spent millions of dollars over a knot (which isn't even a noose) on some greasy string in a mechanic shop. Not to trivialize things but I have a pullchord in my garage with a knotted loop too. Never thought about it. And I'm pretty sure that if some skinheads burned my front yard with gasoline and put up "all Polacs must die" signs the FBI wouldn't get involved. I also don't like that it assumes that even if things looked bad the mechanics there wouldn't have had a "geeze, you're right; let me cut that off and sorry it gave you bad impression" moment.

Now compare the USA where we squander money chasing down knotted chords and China where a McDonald's actually put out a sign banning black people. McDonald's gets do to a quiet press release about how that's not there corporate culture (and I wouldn't hold the company writ large responsible for one site's bad behavior) but it did happen. And it won't make page 17.
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: Carver on June 28, 2020, 12:11:11 PM
I'm predicting all Youtube videos about knot-tying (which I often watch) will be removed if they have that knot.
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: Morning Sunshine on June 28, 2020, 12:24:46 PM
I'm predicting all Youtube videos about knot-tying (which I often watch) will be removed if they have that knot.

oh - knot-tying videos?  Can you share your favorites?
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: Carver on June 28, 2020, 12:53:10 PM
oh - knot-tying videos?  Can you share your favorites?
This was the last one I watched, I liked it for it's simplicity and clarity.
Top Five Useful Knots for camping, survival, hiking, and more - by Nature Reliance
https://youtu.be/ABIRlz-qxSI (https://youtu.be/ABIRlz-qxSI)
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: iam4liberty on June 29, 2020, 08:10:39 PM
Whoa, take 'er easy there, Pilgrim  BLM moves to cancel John Wayne and Muhammad Ali.  They aren't happy with the responses of their familes.

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/john-wayne-son-responds-resolution-airport-renamed.amp (https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/john-wayne-son-responds-resolution-airport-renamed.amp)
John Wayne’s son responds to resolution calling for John Wayne Airport to be renamed

In a statement to Fox News on Monday, Ethan Wayne said: "Let me make one thing clear -- John Wayne was not a racist. I know that term is casually tossed around these days, but I take it very seriously. I also understand how we got to this point.
...
"The truth is, as we have seen in papers from his archives, he did not support 'white supremacy' in any way and believed that responsible people should gain power without the use of violence.

"Those who knew him, knew he judged everyone as an individual and believed everyone deserved an equal opportunity," Ethan added. "He called out bigotry when he saw it. He hired and worked with people of all races, creeds, and sexual orientations. John Wayne stood for the very best for all of us -- a society that doesn’t discriminate against anyone seeking the American dream."
...
"One thing we know – if John Wayne were here today, he would be in the forefront demanding fairness and justice for all people," Ethan said. "He would have pulled those officers off of George Floyd, because that was the right thing to do. He would stand for everyone’s right to protest and work toward change."


https://nypost.com/2020/06/20/muhammad-alis-son-says-he-wouldve-hated-black-lives-matters/ (https://nypost.com/2020/06/20/muhammad-alis-son-says-he-wouldve-hated-black-lives-matters/)
Muhammad Ali’s son says dad would have hated ‘racist’ Black Lives Matter

On the fourth anniversary of his death, Muhammad Ali’s only biological son says that his father would be against Black Lives Matter, calling the movement “racist” and the protesters “devils.”

The legendary boxer and activist stood up against racism throughout his life, but Muhammad Ali Jr. says his dad would have been sickened by how the protests have turned to violence and looting after the death of George Floyd.

“Don’t bust up s–t, don’t trash the place,” he told The Post. “You can peacefully protest.

‘‘My father would have said, ‘They ain’t nothing but devils.’ My father said, ‘All lives matter.’ I don’t think he’d agree.”

Of the BLM movement, Ali Jr., a Muslim like his father, said: “I think it’s racist.”
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: iam4liberty on June 30, 2020, 02:01:37 PM
BLM activists defaced the Robert Gould Shaw Memorial, considered one of the most important African American tribute pieces in the country as he was first person to argue for equal pay.  About Robert Gould Shaw:

Born into a prominent Boston abolitionist family, he accepted command of the first all-black regiment (the 54th Massachusetts) in the Northeast. Supporting the promised equal treatment for his troops, he encouraged the men to refuse their pay until it was equal to that of white troops' wage.

He led his regiment at the Second Battle of Fort Wagner in July 1863. They attacked a beachhead near Charleston, South Carolina, and Shaw was killed while leading his men to the parapet of the Confederate-held fort. Although the regiment was overwhelmed by firing from the defenses and driven back, suffering many casualties, Shaw's leadership and the regiment became legendary. They inspired hundreds of thousands more African Americans to enlist for the Union helping to turn the tide of the war to its ultimate victory.


https://boston.cbslocal.com/video/3625565-robert-gould-shaw-civil-war-memorial-vandalized/ (https://boston.cbslocal.com/video/3625565-robert-gould-shaw-civil-war-memorial-vandalized/)
Robert Gould Shaw Civil War Memorial Vandalized
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: surfivor on June 30, 2020, 06:55:55 PM
BLM activists defaced the Robert Gould Shaw Memorial, considered one of the most important African American tribute pieces in the country as he was first person to argue for equal pay.  About Robert Gould Shaw:

Born into a prominent Boston abolitionist family, he accepted command of the first all-black regiment (the 54th Massachusetts) in the Northeast. Supporting the promised equal treatment for his troops, he encouraged the men to refuse their pay until it was equal to that of white troops' wage.

He led his regiment at the Second Battle of Fort Wagner in July 1863. They attacked a beachhead near Charleston, South Carolina, and Shaw was killed while leading his men to the parapet of the Confederate-held fort. Although the regiment was overwhelmed by firing from the defenses and driven back, suffering many casualties, Shaw's leadership and the regiment became legendary. They inspired hundreds of thousands more African Americans to enlist for the Union helping to turn the tide of the war to its ultimate victory.


https://boston.cbslocal.com/video/3625565-robert-gould-shaw-civil-war-memorial-vandalized/ (https://boston.cbslocal.com/video/3625565-robert-gould-shaw-civil-war-memorial-vandalized/)
Robert Gould Shaw Civil War Memorial Vandalized

It's because there was a white guy commanding black troops or what  ?
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: surfivor on June 30, 2020, 07:00:44 PM
It's not just that they ran the story. I'm not a NASCAR guy and I couldn't name 2 racers for a billion dollars. So I don't know anything about Bubba Wallace and I'm happy to allow that maybe he was mistaken and maybe that pullchord was positioned in such a way that it did look out of place... Look, I don't know. But what I do know is that this warranted front page news coverage and a full FBI investigation. Like we spent millions of dollars over a knot (which isn't even a noose) on some greasy string in a mechanic shop. Not to trivialize things but I have a pullchord in my garage with a knotted loop too. Never thought about it. And I'm pretty sure that if some skinheads burned my front yard with gasoline and put up "all Polacs must die" signs the FBI wouldn't get involved. I also don't like that it assumes that even if things looked bad the mechanics there wouldn't have had a "geeze, you're right; let me cut that off and sorry it gave you bad impression" moment.

Now compare the USA where we squander money chasing down knotted chords and China where a McDonald's actually put out a sign banning black people. McDonald's gets do to a quiet press release about how that's not there corporate culture (and I wouldn't hold the company writ large responsible for one site's bad behavior) but it did happen. And it won't make page 17.

 If you listen to the mainstream news, they still don't seem to cover that this is a big bunch of bull. If I google buba wallace I find articles that condemn some people for making fun of it or selling buba nooses but the narrative that it was a crock seems to be missing and no apologies from buba
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: Greekman on July 01, 2020, 09:32:03 AM
I would like to offer another view on the issue.
One taken from similar situations in Greece.

is there any chance that this "cancel culture" and the defacing of statues of great men, has a much simpler motive?
Over here we have an issue been going, the left speaking against excellence in all aspects of life.
i.e. In schools trying to get good grades is admonished etc etc...
To me this is a simple act to maintain the leftists status of sitting on the moral and intelectual high ground, while half of them are no-worths at all.. in fact being downright Lazy.
in effect they are tring to pull society down on their level.

Any chance the same is happening over there in the US?
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: surfivor on July 01, 2020, 11:45:51 AM
I would like to offer another view on the issue.
One taken from similar situations in Greece.

is there any chance that this "cancel culture" and the defacing of statues of great men, has a much simpler motive?
Over here we have an issue been going, the left speaking against excellence in all aspects of life.
i.e. In schools trying to get good grades is admonished etc etc...
To me this is a simple act to maintain the leftists status of sitting on the moral and intelectual high ground, while half of them are no-worths at all.. in fact being downright Lazy.
in effect they are tring to pull society down on their level.

Any chance the same is happening over there in the US?

 I think there are many  factors, it's all part of a peculiar collective that works in strange ways. Elites have their reasons as do others. Human psychology or the forces behind it are something like that
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: iam4liberty on July 06, 2020, 09:10:58 AM
Frederick Douglas gave the dedication speech for the Emancipation Memorial (aka Freedmen’s Monument) i.  It is amazing.  It ends with:

Fellow-citizens, I end, as I began, with congratulations. We have done a good work for our race today. In doing honor to the memory of our friend and liberator, we have been doing highest honors to ourselves and those who come after us; we have been fastening ourselves to a name and fame imperishable and immortal; we have also been defending ourselves from a blighting scandal. When now it shall be said that the colored man is soulless, that he has no appreciation of benefits or benefactors; when the foul reproach of ingratitude is hurled at us, and it is attempted to scourge us beyond the range of human brotherhood, we may calmly point to the monument we have this day erected to the memory of Abraham Lincoln.

Oration in Memory of Abraham Lincoln
Frederick Douglass | April 14, 1876
Delivered at the Unveiling of The Freedmen’s Monument in Lincoln Park, Washington, D.C.

https://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/document/oration-in-memory-of-abraham-lincoln/ (https://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/document/oration-in-memory-of-abraham-lincoln/)

Since they were stopped from tearing down the Emancipation Memorial, they reportedly turned their ire towards cancelling abolitionist Frederick Douglas.  Guess this is just another one to add to monument park Trump announced at Mount Rushmore.

(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/e39d4195a8308719951790c0be17c9af3cc24338/0_0_3024_1814/master/3024.jpg?width=605&quality=45&auto=format&fit=max&dpr=2&s=0108859489f4bd52aad3f097f3c01abb)
https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/06/frederick-douglass-statue-torn-down-rochester-new-york-anniversary-july-4-speech (https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/06/frederick-douglass-statue-torn-down-rochester-new-york-anniversary-july-4-speech)
Frederick Douglass statue torn down on anniversary of great speech

A statue of the great abolitionist Frederick Douglass was torn from its base in Rochester, New York on Sunday, 168 years to the day since the city was the setting for one of his greatest speeches, What to the Slave is the Fourth of July?

The statue stood in Maplewood Park, a site on the Underground Railroad, the network through which Douglass and Harriet Tubman, both escaped slaves themselves, and others helped ferry people enslaved in southern states to freedom in the north.
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: iam4liberty on July 06, 2020, 06:44:36 PM
Amazing crystalization of what is wrong in media and politics today.  :rofl:

https://youtu.be/Kj9EtawpKJc (https://youtu.be/Kj9EtawpKJc)
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: iam4liberty on July 17, 2020, 07:02:21 PM
https://dailygazette.com/article/2020/07/17/saratoga-civil-war-statue-demolished-by-vandals (https://dailygazette.com/article/2020/07/17/saratoga-civil-war-statue-demolished-by-vandals)
Saratoga Civil War statue demolished by vandals
145-year-old monument honored local Union troops, broken beyond repair


(https://dailygazette.com/sites/default/files/styles/article_image/public/200716Saratoga_0.jpg?itok=FkXrAqnQ)

(https://www.newyorkupstate.com/resizer/941ajh4vVzTQWsCvjCZ2qHMQT9Y=/1280x0/smart/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/advancelocal/R4JYQNY565BN3J45Z6GVRXJI6U.jpg)

Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: surfivor on July 18, 2020, 12:56:49 AM

No one takes credit or has anything to say about why would you just randomly attack statues that seem unrelated to the claimed or apparent cause ?
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: surfivor on July 18, 2020, 01:46:55 AM

Someone is going to destroy something and then not even be able to give a reason why they did it. It really seems like the lowest form of destruction and there is no apparent reason why someone would do that
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: Docwatmo on July 18, 2020, 06:58:07 AM
No one takes credit or has anything to say about why would you just randomly attack statues that seem unrelated to the claimed or apparent cause ?

Out of sheer stupidity and ignorance.  Stupid people do stupid things.
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: iam4liberty on July 21, 2020, 07:37:59 PM
All these cities now have a choice.  If they are going to allow BLM to graffiti everything then they have to let everyone do it.  Otherwise they have to remove them all.  In other words, they have to cancel BLM murals.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article244351637.html (https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article244351637.html)
A California city erases ‘Black Lives Matter’ mural after ‘MAGA 2020’ one proposed

But city crews power-washed the 17-foot mural away on Thursday, despite plans to let the temporary paint fade away over time, according to the station.

The city erased the mural after attorney Maria Rutenberg requested permission to paint a “MAGA 2020” mural nearby, Climate Online Redwood City reported.

Rutenberg said she “saw that Courthouse Square was being used as a public forum, and, as a Redwood City resident, wanted to participate,” according to the publication.


Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: iam4liberty on July 24, 2020, 12:27:09 PM
Despite her participation in Nazism and the KKK and her public calls for wiping out non-white people, i must admit that I didnt see her getting canceled by Democrats. I wonder if Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton and others will give back their Margaret Sanger Awards and if Biden will turn down acceptance of it this year?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/21/nyregion/planned-parenthood-margaret-sanger-eugenics.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/21/nyregion/planned-parenthood-margaret-sanger-eugenics.html)
Planned Parenthood in N.Y. Disavows Margaret Sanger Over Eugenics
Ms. Sanger, a feminist icon and reproductive-rights pioneer, supported a discredited belief in improving the human race through selective breeding.



Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: surfivor on July 25, 2020, 05:01:14 AM
All these cities now have a choice.  If they are going to allow BLM to graffiti everything then they have to let everyone do it.  Otherwise they have to remove them all.  In other words, they have to cancel BLM murals.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article244351637.html (https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article244351637.html)
A California city erases ‘Black Lives Matter’ mural after ‘MAGA 2020’ one proposed

But city crews power-washed the 17-foot mural away on Thursday, despite plans to let the temporary paint fade away over time, according to the station.

The city erased the mural after attorney Maria Rutenberg requested permission to paint a “MAGA 2020” mural nearby, Climate Online Redwood City reported.

Rutenberg said she “saw that Courthouse Square was being used as a public forum, and, as a Redwood City resident, wanted to participate,” according to the publication.


Thats pretty funny.
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: iam4liberty on July 25, 2020, 09:14:28 AM
I don't see any alternative.  We must erase all reminders of racism in history.  The Democratic Party must be cancelled!

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/508759-gops-gohmert-introduces-resolution-that-would-ban-the-democratic-party (https://thehill.com/homenews/house/508759-gops-gohmert-introduces-resolution-that-would-ban-the-democratic-party)
Gohmert introduces resolution that would ban the Democratic Party

Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas) introduced a House resolution Thursday calling on lawmakers to ban organizations or political groups that have historically supported the Confederacy or slavery in the U.S., a list he said includes the Democratic Party.

“A great portion of the history of the Democratic Party is filled with racism and hatred. Since people are demanding we rid ourselves of the entities, symbols, and reminders of the repugnant aspects of our past, then the time has come for Democrats to acknowledge their party’s loathsome and bigoted past, and consider changing their party name to something that isn’t so blatantly and offensively tied to slavery, Jim Crow, discrimination, and the Ku Klux Klan,” Gohmert said in a statement.
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: iam4liberty on August 18, 2020, 07:08:48 AM
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/08/18/us/virginia-senator-charged-confederate-monument/index.html (https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/08/18/us/virginia-senator-charged-confederate-monument/index.html)
Virginia state senator and other local leaders charged in connection with the dismantling of a Confederate monument

A Virginia Democratic state senator is among at least 14 people to be charged in connection with the partial dismantling of a Confederate monument in June that led to "life threatening" and "permanent injury" of a man, Portsmouth Police Chief Angela Greene announced during a news conference Monday.

Sen. L. Louise Lucas, who is also president pro tempore of the Virginia state senate, has been charged with conspiracy to commit a felony and injury to a monument in excess of $1,000. Charges were also filed against a Portsmouth school board member, local NAACP chapter members and three public defenders.
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: Oakie on September 08, 2020, 12:13:12 PM

What is our history with slavery in this nation?
Why didn't Washington and Jefferson free their slaves? How did they come to possess slaves in the first place? Did they actively fight to free all slaves? Who in this nation owned slaves?
What did our flag physically contribute to early battles and WHY was it kept in sight? Why die to defend it?

I don't see how we can understand the battle at hand without understanding history.  This is long and when they break you must fast forward an hour to get to last half but, the information shared is historic and enlightening.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1845&v=APmWVzmjZsw&feature=emb_title
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: iam4liberty on September 21, 2020, 05:04:48 PM
Uh oh.   Business owners are getting restless.  Funny how they don't get same free speech rights.  No police protection for this mural despite the police endorsing the sentiment and amplifying it on social media.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/massive-f-k-cuomo-and-de-blasio-mural-painted-on-brooklyn-street.amp (https://www.foxnews.com/us/massive-f-k-cuomo-and-de-blasio-mural-painted-on-brooklyn-street.amp)
Massive ‘F--k Cuomo and de Blasio’ mural painted on Brooklyn street
For less than 24 hours, an all-caps, block-length message painted in yellow contained the rage of New York City


The New York Post reported the shout-out to New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo and New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio was created around 1 a.m. Saturday during an annual block party that also served as a “small business owner protest.”

“A few partygoers got the idea to paint in huge [letters, using] yellow paint with rollers on North 15th, ‘F–k Cuomo and de Blasio,'” an unidentified attendee said Sunday. “The party continued. Everyone took photos. It was a big hit. The crowds cheered, even the cops chuckled.”


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EiZVj7eU0AEHFV9?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: Oakie on September 22, 2020, 09:54:15 AM
Political 'correctness' has opened a can of worms for Princeton
https://www.presidentialprayerteam.org/2020/09/22/education-secretary-launches-investigation-of-princeton/

Princeton joined a number of organizations, in the wake of continuing racial protests around the country, that publicly acknowledge a culture of racism in both its founding and its current campus culture. Education Secretary Betsy Devos found this public relations move to be a “shocking” admission to the violation of anti-discrimination laws and opened a formal inquiry against Princeton.
The university receives millions in federal funding each year, and the investigation the U.S. Education Department has opened will require the institution to “produce each record” on which President Eisgruber based his statement that racism is “embedded in structures of the University itself.” The Department of Education is also requesting a list of all persons who have been excluded from federally funded education programs dues to racism at Princeton.
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: LvsChant on September 22, 2020, 09:57:43 AM
Political 'correctness' has opened a can of worms for Princeton
https://www.presidentialprayerteam.org/2020/09/22/education-secretary-launches-investigation-of-princeton/

Princeton joined a number of organizations, in the wake of continuing racial protests around the country, that publicly acknowledge a culture of racism in both its founding and its current campus culture. Education Secretary Betsy Devos found this public relations move to be a “shocking” admission to the violation of anti-discrimination laws and opened a formal inquiry against Princeton.
The university receives millions in federal funding each year, and the investigation the U.S. Education Department has opened will require the institution to “produce each record” on which President Eisgruber based his statement that racism is “embedded in structures of the University itself.” The Department of Education is also requesting a list of all persons who have been excluded from federally funded education programs dues to racism at Princeton.

Hahaha. This made me laugh. The statement by Eisgruber was obviously an attempt to pander to BLM et al. I'm entertained to see that there will be actual repercussions -- if not fines, etc., at least the work required to provide all the information demanded by the Dept. of Education and the potential loss of federal dollars going forward. :)
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: iam4liberty on September 25, 2020, 01:13:08 PM
Talk about eating their own.  Yikes! That is a cancellation

https://www.blackenterprise.com/black-lives-matter-activist-exposed-as-white-woman-pretending-to-be-black/ (https://www.blackenterprise.com/black-lives-matter-activist-exposed-as-white-woman-pretending-to-be-black/)
BLACK LIVES MATTER ACTIVIST EXPOSED AS WHITE WOMAN PRETENDING TO BE BLACK
Title: Re: The Cancel Culture
Post by: LvsChant on September 25, 2020, 04:43:25 PM
hahaha... haven't we seen this before? I remember a case of a woman who "identified" as black a couple of years back... didn't go well for her.

And then we also have the case of our friend Elizabeth Warren... ah, well... you know the rest.