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Removing the S&W Internal Lock

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David in MN:
So I saw this video removing the internal lock on S&W revolvers...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVPYgohVCNM

Have any of you done this? Is it legal? I've thought about gluing mine open before. I mean, nobody has ever used the lock. From a safety standpoint I've never understood it. Is there some fool out there who tells the wife, "it's OK that junior is waving around a revolver because the internal lock is engaged"?

Just reaching out to hear what others have done or their thoughts on the matter. It's a sensitive subject so please keep things theoretical.

David in MN:
It's a patented (or at least claimed) fill in part.

https://www.originalprecision.com/

And even they tell you to keep the original parts if you need to send the gun in for service. I guess S&W doesn't take favorably to us jokers modifying their guns to avoid a lockout we'd never use anyway.

The Professor:
In today's ridiculous, litigious society, I would heartily recommend against any modifications to a firearm of this nature.  Especially one carried for self-defense. 

Even though the prosecutor may waive off the criminal trial for self-defense, you still face a civil trial.  Requirements for finding in favor, or against,  of a defendant are much lighter than in a civil trial.  Only 51% is necessary.  If the other side's attorney finds out about the modification, your trial is going to be filled with "David didn't even care for the safety features of the weapon, so he decided to make it MORE LETHAL by removing the safety of the weapon."

No, to anyone with common sense, the mod wouldn't have done anything better, or worse, but do you really want to be tried in front of a jury of ignorant idiots who won't know any better?

If it's a target pistol or competition pistol, only. . .meh.

The Professor

David in MN:

--- Quote from: The Professor on November 24, 2018, 05:15:46 PM ---In today's ridiculous, litigious society, I would heartily recommend against any modifications to a firearm of this nature.  Especially one carried for self-defense. 

Even though the prosecutor may waive off the criminal trial for self-defense, you still face a civil trial.  Requirements for finding in favor, or against,  of a defendant are much lighter than in a civil trial.  Only 51% is necessary.  If the other side's attorney finds out about the modification, your trial is going to be filled with "David didn't even care for the safety features of the weapon, so he decided to make it MORE LETHAL by removing the safety of the weapon."

No, to anyone with common sense, the mod wouldn't have done anything better, or worse, but do you really want to be tried in front of a jury of ignorant idiots who won't know any better?

If it's a target pistol or competition pistol, only. . .meh.

The Professor

--- End quote ---

I hate to say... Exactly what I thought. "Ladies and gentlemen of the jury; he removed a safety feature..." Yeah, one that none of us have ever used and costs a risk of failure.

If ever this world got sane.

machinisttx:
Is it legal? Why wouldn't it be? There is a pretty clear cut list of things that would make the firearm illegal to own without tax paperwork or a Type 3 FFL/SOT. You aren't making it fully automatic, or attaching a vertical foregrip, or a shoulder stock, or converting

As far as being prosecuted for it... It has absolutely NOTHING, I'll say it again, NOTHING to do with the safe function or use of the firearm. No argument can be made, in a situation where lethal force was legally warranted, that the removal of a storage device had any bearing whatsoever on the legality of the shooting itself. Nobody would EVER engage that lock and then carry the gun. "Wait a sec while I unlock my gun please".  ::)

I have removed exactly one, on my mother's 642. It took about an hour total, only because I stoned and polished the action while I had it open. If I had only removed the lock itself, then fifteen minutes tops. I don't buy guns with locks on them, so it's probably the only one I will ever remove.

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