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« on: October 24, 2008, 09:19:12 AM »
What about a topic where members give their predictions on what they think will happen in the coming weeks, months, or years?  I'm thinking mostly about predictions about the economy, politics, civil unrest, etc.

I think it would be fascinating to hear what you guys think is coming.

P.S.  Your prediction will be date-stamped, thus giving you the ultimate verified "I told you so!"

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Re: Predictions
« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2008, 04:49:00 PM »
I'm old enough to have live through the 80's and 90's ups and downs but this feels different. I am hopeful we have another 6-12 months before tshtf. I travel nearly 40 out of 52 weeks but will not do so during the election week. A democratic win or loss might be enough to start civil unrest. I am very concerned.

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Re: Predictions
« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2008, 07:08:13 PM »
No matter what happens...if Obama wins or loses...we will have at the very least riots in several major cities.  If anything comes of the missing birth certificate or if he does not make it to office for whatever reason, we may see full on civil war.  Yes, I can be pessimistic.

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Re: Predictions
« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2008, 07:44:44 PM »
I predict that we will have a global economic collapse, followed by a biological attack of some kind by some country that is mad at us for not paying our bills. I give it 6 months.  GEEZ--I hope I am wrong.

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Re: Predictions
« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2008, 09:29:18 PM »
I see a slow gradual slip into recession, a very bad recession. a 7000 dow is not unrealistic. Lots of ups and downs but the average down. A curt in production from OPEC on oil. A consumer fueled depression for retailers this Christmas (08) They'll be depressed alright. I will save more for the tinfoil forum!

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Re: Predictions
« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2008, 09:50:53 PM »
*Puts on tun foil hat*  8) I can see several possibilities on top of what Jack had mentioned in previous podcasts about one more thing causing this thing to tip over.

1) Let me put it very frankly. I don't want anyone to be hurt. I don't want anyone to do this and honestly I hope it never happens. What if Obama wins and some fool kills him OR what if with all these votes he doesn't win despite a majority vote in his favor. Civil unrest would be an understatement. I hope this NEVER happens. It would put our whole country in danger.

2) In our weak economic condition, spreading our soldiers to three areas of conflict, another power decides it can take on the USA on the home front. If this ever happens those anti-gun people are going to be kissing the NRA's feet because we will only have a militia here to protect the home front.

3) A food shortage hits the US the same time gas prices are at their lowest.

4) Stock market and our entire economic system crumbles along with the world economy causing a dynamo effect. Fearing starvation other countries start to invade other countries causing another World War.

5) Crime hits an all time high at the same time that health care coverage soars. (We are already seeing this in our area with the amount of gunshot wound cases increasing) Essentially people on an individual level start doing like the countries scenario I described above. To avoid starvation they steal and do whatever they can do survive...legal or not.

6) A cluster-f@ck of the above happen.

*Takes off hat*  8)

I pray to God that I am wrong about all of these.

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Re: Predictions
« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2008, 10:18:39 PM »
I predict 2009 & 2010 will be the best years we've ever had.  Our priorities will all change and family takes top priority.   We'll celebrate the real meaning of Christmas without all the commercialism.  We'll learn that yes, we can live without extras like 3 vehicles,every member in the house having their own cell phone.   We won't need them after all because we'll all be home.
More families will discover the dining table on a nightly basis because they can't afford fast food.  Kids will learn to help out with dinner dishes because parents will discover a few family chores will be not only great training but a cure for when they say "we're bored."  
With so many out of work...people will have the time to meet their neighbors and visit one another.  
One more skill that I see many of us gettting more practice with is Camping.  Since the homeless population is about to increase I can see us now sitting around the campfire, singing and Cum ba ya.   ;D

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Re: Predictions -- Gas Prices down 'till the election is over
« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2008, 03:30:50 PM »
This may have been predicted, but gas prices will continue to decrease until the election is over.  It may be the way Big Oil is trying to buy the Republican vote.

So fill those tanks now.  Wednesday they'll be going back up!

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Re: Predictions
« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2008, 03:34:05 PM »
Gas prices/heating fuel prices, food prices will go up drastically after the election... They have been kept low to the sheeple cool down before the election. Do not want angry sheeple voting out the politicos.

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Re: Predictions
« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2008, 03:41:42 PM »
I predict that we will have a global economic collapse, followed by a biological attack of some kind by some country that is mad at us for not paying our bills. I give it 6 months.  GEEZ--I hope I am wrong.
Hope you are wrong also.  I can see China getting pissed off and invading from California when we can't pay them back.  A scenario -- a cold long winter, lots of rain and snow.  No crops can be harvested, no food to feed the livestock. Gas prices out of reach when Iran blocks the gas infrastructure to the West, or when China buys the price up. Lots of tornadoes and hurricanes puts our economy in a tail-spin.

I've been reading about e-coli and how easy it is to make it into a designer bacteria or virus or whatever it is. So we probably will have that trip soon.

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Re: Predictions
« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2008, 03:45:50 PM »
I predict 2009 & 2010 will be the best years we've ever had.  Our priorities will all change and family takes top priority.   We'll celebrate the real meaning of Christmas without all the commercialism.  We'll learn that yes, we can live without extras like 3 vehicles,every member in the house having their own cell phone.   We won't need them after all because we'll all be home.
More families will discover the dining table on a nightly basis because they can't afford fast food.  Kids will learn to help out with dinner dishes because parents will discover a few family chores will be not only great training but a cure for when they say "we're bored."  
With so many out of work...people will have the time to meet their neighbors and visit one another.  

Yes, I love it.  And I think that people will start sharing their stuff.  People will start serving each other and learning to work together.

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Re: Predictions
« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2008, 09:29:15 PM »
1. Obama wins by landslide.  He is called by the media before bedtime.  ( wish I were wrong) 

2. Another assualt weapons ban.  More restrictive than Clinton's.

3. Recession deepens.  The economy will worsen even after the tax hikes and government programs are put in to affect.  We will be told that it is going to hurt a little and we need to sacrifice more for the greater cause. 

4. fairness doctrine passed. talk radio fades in the next decade.

5. Taxes go up for those making 250,000......  Raised soon after for every one else because the government still can't afford what it is spending on programs.

6.  Unemployment will hit double digits.

7.  Violent crime will increase across the country.

8.  We are still in Iraq two years from now

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Re: Predictions
« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2008, 10:38:11 PM »
Don't be so damn cheery about it.  ;)

I can definitely see those things happening.

Democratic fund raiser - 640 billion
Palin's clothing - 150,000
Government buy out of Bank Stock - 250 billion

Bail Out Bill that nobody wanted - Priceless.

There are some things money can't buy.  Unfortunately that will be a loaf of bread by next year.

Oh, and as for #7. I have a home security system by a german company called Ruger & Mossberg.  ;D
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Re: Predictions
« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2008, 08:28:00 AM »
I agree almost entirely with 19kilo.  His predictions are below with my thoughts in double brackets ("[[ ]]").

1. Obama wins by landslide.  He is called by the media before bedtime.  ( wish I were wrong) 

[[An electoral college landslide.  Popular vote is 2-3% difference.  I see small to medium sized "celebration" riots in large cities. Not LA riot kind of things, but more like the Detroit Pistons winning the NBA championship-- times 10.]] 

[[If, by some chance, McCain wins, expect full-on LA riots in just about every big city and disturbances in many other cities.  No semi trucks stocking supermarkets for a week (imagine the freak out!) and gas will be hard to find.  But things settle down in a week.]] 

2. Another assault weapons ban.  More restrictive than Clinton's. 

[[Yep, and lots of other things: ammo taxes going up, gun show closures, goofy paperwork requirements, .50 BMGs banned.  The days of walking into a gun store with $500 and picking up an AK and case of Wolf 7.62 are over.  Another very scary thing (for people like me who live in liberal wacko areas) is a federal law allowing local jurisdictions to ban so-called assault rifles, ban semi-auto pistols, limit ammo sales, etc.  This is the politically possible way to restrict guns: a new Democrat congressman from a southern state can toe the party line and vote for a "local option" law knowing that the local governments in his state won't actually do it so his (gun-owning) constituents won't get mad at him.  But he stayed on Nancy Pelosi's good side.  The perfect political solution for southern Ds.]]

3. Recession deepens.  The economy will worsen even after the tax hikes and government programs are put in to affect.  We will be told that it is going to hurt a little and we need to sacrifice more for the greater cause. 

[[Yep.  Very bad economic times, worse than any recession we've ever seen.  But I'm not sure it gets to the Great Depression level.  Possible, though.  People will rediscovery "simplicity" which is another word for living within their means like they should have been all along.  Cheap will be chic.  (Cheap has always been the way to go for country boys and girls.)  Expect a home canning and gardening craze among rich people.  Tax hikes mean that many small business people start to work less and fire people.  Expect to see more laid back attitudes among small business owners because, hey, why work hard to give over 50% to the insane socialist dreamers in DC?]]

4. fairness doctrine passed. talk radio fades in the next decade.

[[Heck yeah.  And worse.  Think of political correctness on steroids.  Peer pressure from the (increasing number of sheeple) will make it "unthinkable" to express pro-freedom thoughts.  That t-shirt you might have that says "From my cold dead hands" ... wear it and expect to have people come unglued.  As in total strangers telling you that "hate speech" is "dangerous" and "not helpful" when our country needs to "pull together" (as in do what Obama says).]] 

[[I think "conservatives" will be targeted for petty bureaucratic hassles like tax audits, "random" workplace safety visits, etc.  I would not be shocked if government agencies took the campaign contribution lists of losing candidates (who are pro-freedom) and used that as the list for petty bureaucratic hassles.  That NRA bumper sticker on your truck might get you pulled over to see if your "seatbelt" is fastened because the local cops are being told that "gun people" are really just psycho militia wackos and a threat the "recovery efforts" of the government.  The cop sees you don't have an AR15 in the back of the truck and you move along.  Not the end of the world, but definitely bull crap.]]

[[People who seem to be with you now will realize it's not cool and possibly bad for business to wear that NRA hat and they'll just get quiet.]]

[[I would add the being a Christian is increasingly viewed as "devisive."  No churches are banned or anything alarmist, it's just increasingly "odd" to "normal people" to be a Christian.]]   

5. Taxes go up for those making 250,000......  Raised soon after for every one else because the government still can't afford what it is spending on programs.

[[Yep, and overall tax revenues stay just about the same (about 18% of GDP, like they have for 100 years no matter what the tax rate is.)  I bet the "rich" family threshold for the biggest tax increases goes to a little over $100,000.  In the 2010 mid-term elections, lots of people who thought they were getting free stuff from the government realize they got took.  In 2010, if the Republicans get their act together (doubtful), lots of people get thrown out of office.  Another 1994.]]

6.  Unemployment will hit double digits.  [[Yep.]]

7.  Violent crime will increase across the country. 

[[I see crime going way up.  Not roving bands of looters, but crime goes way up.  Lots of every day people then realize they should have got a concealed weapons permit back in 2008 when they were still possible to get.  Lots of people will see, for the first time, car jackings of cars at the intersection they're at.  People will know someone whose house got robbed.  This will be a first for many suburbanites.  They'll try all kinds of gizmos like burglar alarms but be very reluctant to just get a gun (because of the political correctness on steroids stuff mentioned above).]]

[[Gangs will increase.  Not just traditional gangs.  White-collar scam gangs.  There will be a gray market in lots of things (cigaretts, guns, etc.) and that's where gangs thrive.  I also see an increase in cops and other officials on the take.]]

8.  We are still in Iraq two years from now

[[Guess so.  I think with all the problems at home, most people will quit thinking about foreign wars.]]

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Re: Predictions
« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2008, 10:04:26 AM »
Pretty accurate predictions in my opinion.
It'd going to be one of those times when we are going to hate being right.

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Re: Predictions
« Reply #15 on: October 29, 2008, 07:41:49 PM »
This is the year we capture a Sasquatch...

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Re: Predictions
« Reply #16 on: October 30, 2008, 02:56:14 AM »
They caught him in Georgia.

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« Reply #17 on: October 30, 2008, 03:01:19 AM »
They did? damn it I missed it. I do have a pretty good collection of 70's bigfoot movies. Also good collection of Zombie movies. My buddy is a horror movie freak, he flys to conventions like Fangoria and such. He has something like 20,000 movies, he's the one that got me hooked.

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Re: Predictions
« Reply #18 on: October 30, 2008, 11:03:03 AM »
I'm listening to Jack's show right now, and he's discussing the predictions! It's a great episode so far.

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« Reply #19 on: October 30, 2008, 11:35:58 AM »
I'm listening to Jack's show right now, and he's discussing the predictions! It's a great episode so far.

Read my response to Old Dudley..... And I'm gonna fire up his Podcast now...

Dudley Storey,

I'm not the most fluent of writer’s, but I have to comment on what you wrote. This statement that you typed "Senator Obama is NOT talking about the redistribution of wealth by the government, or from the legislative bench, but striving for equality (financial and otherwise) through community organisation and activation” means absolutely CRAP to me. I don't know what it's like in New Zealand, but where I have been raised(Oregon) we have a real strong sense of community. And growing up here, the only examples my community( a Logging community) have taught me is from following the examples of my Dad and the men I have grown up around. These men are steel and to become a man of steel like them you have to be sharpened by the steel in them. In my community to become "financially equal” as you so eloquently put it, you get up at 0 dark 30 and you come home at 0 dark 30 after a hard day of “WORK”.
NOT THROUGH “ORGANIZZZATION” as you are so politically trying to be. The financial equality FOR ME comes from the money I put in my pocket by the WORK I perform. It makes me sick to see everyone with their hand sticking out and begging for the government or community or organizzzations to make them “EQUAL”.

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Re: Predictions
« Reply #20 on: October 30, 2008, 05:43:47 PM »
Prediction: The "popular vote" ballots will be examined very closely in the ACORN fraud states which will upset the Obama supporters and cries of "stealing the election" will be heard and/or cries of racism as the reason for the examination.  Possible riots as a result.
The chosen electoral college delegates will go against their citizens wishes and choose Obama, which may result in riots also.
If it is determined that Obama is not truely elegible for the office, Nancy Pelosi will take over and we will all be in deep doodoo. Obama supporters will riot!
Riots in the larger cities no matter who wins. 
More lost jobs. More corruption.  More "stolen" rights.
If Obama wins, country is attacked in some way. 
Food shortage.
Tough times ahead.

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Re: Predictions
« Reply #21 on: November 14, 2008, 11:21:58 AM »
I was shocked that I didn't see any predictions made about the illegal immigrant issues, especially in the south west part of the country. Given the protests that have happened regarding the status of illegal immigrants and the way that some states are completely overwhelmed with the issues caused by illegal immigration, it wouldn't surprise me if an uprising took place at some point in the future.

If the State governments don't do anything about this issue, especially regarding not punishing employers who hire illegal people, I predict that within 20-30 years there could be some issues with whole parts of the United States where there are less citizens than illegals, and I am sure it's happening in some small part already. So what happens when the illegals outnumber the citizens? I shudder to think about the possible consequences.

Of course, this opinion is all based on what I see and hear via the media, and there aren't much in the way of illegals in North Dakota...one or two here and there who get nabbed and sent home.  Anyone from the SW have some predictions/ideas on this issue?

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Re: Predictions
« Reply #22 on: November 14, 2008, 03:29:39 PM »
It seems that I was way off about the ACORN fraud ballots.  It seems that no one cares if there were illegal votes. 
We're in deeper "doo doo" than I thought.

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Re: Predictions
« Reply #23 on: December 01, 2008, 01:14:04 AM »
2009 Predictions:

Iran goes nuclear
Society becomes "dog eat dog" for survival
7-10 dollar gas
land war over oil
Russia & China joining forces
Antichrist appears
China becomes the new superpower
American empire falls 

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Re: Predictions
« Reply #24 on: December 01, 2008, 06:13:12 PM »
I have had this strong feeling lately that we are going to have a big earthquake--New Madrid Fault line area. One way or the other, we will see an economic collapse.  Keep up the preps!


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Re: Predictions
« Reply #25 on: December 01, 2008, 10:25:38 PM »
I have had this strong feeling lately that we are going to have a big earthquake--New Madrid Fault line area. One way or the other, we will see an economic collapse.  Keep up the preps!



http://www.livescience.com/environment/081128-ap-arkansas-earthquakes.html

You may be on to something.

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« Reply #26 on: December 01, 2008, 11:02:19 PM »
Deflation not inflation in the short term (year)  - which is really bad
Earthquake eventually  duh
Oil will not make a rebound - bankrupt saudis and other oil rich nations
America hurt bad but will continue as an example of free people and a great democracy (do you know how fragile a democracy is???) (well, mostly free we are spied on constantly by bush and i dont know that obama will reverse it)
ACORN lives and is seen as shining example of democracy in action - damn its been around for over 30 years and has done good things. 
Yes, China is a rising star.  Y did we let all of our jobs go there?
We r doomed because of our mindset.  America was the epicenter of the current GLOBAL crisis.  It is American greed and then those riding on our coat tails.


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« Reply #27 on: December 01, 2008, 11:51:14 PM »
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ACORN lives and is seen as shining example of democracy in action - damn its been around for over 30 years and has done good things. 


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Re: Predictions
« Reply #28 on: December 02, 2008, 10:08:36 AM »
Question is: Does ACORN's so called "good" make up for their corruption and the damage caused by that?

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Re: Predictions
« Reply #29 on: December 02, 2008, 10:38:50 AM »
http://www.thehorizonproject.com:80/earthquakes.cfm
I have had this strong feeling lately that we are going to have a big earthquake--New Madrid Fault line area. One way or the other, we will see an economic collapse.  Keep up the preps!



You may be on to something.
http://www.livescience.com/environment/081128-ap-arkansas-earthquakes.html


More large earthquakes in the last century from USGS data:
http://www.thehorizonproject.com:80/earthquakes.cfm